Religions > Atheism > Atheists, Atheism Responsible for Virginia Tech Killings!!!!!!!!!
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23 Apr 2007 03:14:49 PM |
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Atheists, Atheism Responsible for Virginia Tech Killings!!!!!!!!! |
Religious training is clearly necessary. God should at least be
mentioned in the classroom and workplace from time to time. God is
mentioned on our currency; he certainly should not be ignored
completely throughout the school day.
God should be even more prominent in our colleges in universities. In
universities where students choose their own courses of study, there
is no reason not to offer courses in religion. There is no good reason
not to have chapels available. There is no good reason not to
acknowledge God on the nation's campuses. The Carpetbagger Report
argues that there are lots of religious groups on the Virginia Tech
campus... But how often is God actually mentioned in the regular
classroom at Virginia Tech, outside of a religion class? Virtually
never, I'm willing to bet. We have become a highly secular society,
particularly in our schools and universities. This, in turn, is based
on an expansive interpretation of the constitution's establishment
clause.
If students aren't receiving regular encouragement to act in a godly
way on campus unless they go out of their way to seek out a campus
religious group, are they receiving religious support anywhere during
their college years? Too often, the start of college represents the
end of churchgoing for young adults -- at a time when students need
religious social support more than ever.
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| User: "TRUECRISTIAN" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists, Atheism Responsible for Virginia Tech Killings!!!!!!!!! |
23 Apr 2007 04:02:49 PM |
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I think that at times our President likes to act like a national
Chaplain. I have observed this sort of self-concious, self-righteous
piety first hand many times in my life. Usually from a male family
member who is picked to lead a prayer at a family gathering, or say a
few words at a funeral. All of a sudden, the happy, secular, hard-
drinking, joke-telling crazy Uncle Larry is praying in a rolling
baritone voice with "thees" and "thous" thrown in for good measure.
The hypocrisy and deception always made me uncomfortable - even as a
believer. To no one's surprise, Dawkins has not been invited to speak
to the grieving Virginia Tech community. What this tells me is that if
it's difficult to know where God is when bad things happen, it is even
more difficult for atheism to deal with the problem of evil.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Apr 2007 10:44:52 PM |
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On 23 Apr 2007 14:02:49 -0700, TRUECRISTIAN <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
I think that at times our President likes to act like a national
Chaplain.
Which is clear to anyone with even a single-digit IQ is a violation of
the Constitution. When acting as the President,he *IS* the
government.
To no one's surprise, Dawkins has not been invited to speak
to the grieving Virginia Tech community.
Neither has John Major. So what? What has Dawkins to do with Cho,
any of the victims, their parents or mourning in general?
What this tells me is that if
it's difficult to know where God is when bad things happen
Same place he is when good things happen - in a book.
it is even more difficult for atheism to deal with the problem of evil.
We deal with it just fine - some people are just basically rotten.
Christianity has a problem with it, though.
If God is omnipotent (a Christian claim), he can eliminate evil. (The
"we have to be free to make a choice" argument is bankrupt. We have a
free choice to fly, even though we can't choose to.)
If God is omnibenevolent (a Christian claim), he'd want to eliminate
evil.
Since evil exists, he's either not omnibenevolent or he's not
omnipotent. Your choice.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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23 Apr 2007 10:59:41 PM |
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Lying for your jebus monster again?
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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23 Apr 2007 07:03:45 PM |
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On 23 Apr 2007 13:14:49 -0700 there was an Ancient TRUECRISTIAN
<XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Religious training is clearly necessary. God should at least be
mentioned in the classroom and workplace from time to time. God is
mentioned on our currency; he certainly should not be ignored
completely throughout the school day.
As long as there are pop quizzes there will be prayer in the
classroom.
Here's a hint, Binky. The Supreme Court ruled decades ago that
official, staff-approved and led prayers in public schools violated
the First Amendment.
God should be even more prominent in our colleges in universities. In
universities where students choose their own courses of study, there
is no reason not to offer courses in religion.
VT offers classes in comparative religion, history courses on the
Bible, the Bible as literature, upper-division courses on religious
art, etc. They don't have a Theology department, but they are mainly
an engineering school.
There is no good reason
not to have chapels available.
VT has three.
There is no good reason not to
acknowledge God on the nation's campuses. The Carpetbagger Report
argues that there are lots of religious groups on the Virginia Tech
campus... But how often is God actually mentioned in the regular
classroom at Virginia Tech, outside of a religion class? Virtually
never, I'm willing to bet.
That's because if I'm paying my tuition money to become a mechanical
engineer, I want my classes to prepare me for that profession.
Would you like it if your church service was interrupted by me giving
an hour-long presentation on the 5307th Composite Unit (provisional)
We have become a highly secular society,
As our founders intended.
particularly in our schools and universities. This, in turn, is based
on an expansive interpretation of the constitution's establishment
clause.
Exactly as the founders intended.
If students aren't receiving regular encouragement to act in a godly
way on campus unless they go out of their way to seek out a campus
religious group, are they receiving religious support anywhere during
their college years? Too often, the start of college represents the
end of churchgoing for young adults -- at a time when students need
religious social support more than ever.
You mean they learn they can think for themselves and make their own
choices.
This reflects how outdated religion really is. Lacking parental
orders, people reject the mythologies of the past and embrace the
future.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Apr 2007 10:58:39 PM |
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On 23 Apr 2007 13:14:49 -0700, TRUECRISTIAN <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
If students aren't receiving regular encouragement to act in a godly
way on campus
You mean like killing almost the entire human population?
You mean like ordering your followers to take their enemy's pre-teen
daughters as concubines?
You mean like framing someone for a crime, then punishing everyone for
all eternity for that "crime" unless they worshipped the child you
created so that he could be killed? Instead of just forgiving them
and leaving their descendents alone?
You mean like being able to create a universe without evil, but
creating Satan, knowing what he would do, and doing nothing to stop
him?
You mean like creating a species so that you could torture it, over
and over, for your amusement?
THAT God?
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| User: "Hatter" |
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24 Apr 2007 07:15:51 AM |
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On Apr 23, 11:58 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 23 Apr 2007 13:14:49 -0700, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
If students aren't receiving regular encouragement to act in a godly
way on campus
You mean like killing almost the entire human population?
You mean like ordering your followers to take their enemy's pre-teen
daughters as concubines?
You mean like framing someone for a crime, then punishing everyone for
all eternity for that "crime" unless they worshipped the child you
created so that he could be killed? Instead of just forgiving them
and leaving their descendents alone?
You mean like being able to create a universe without evil, but
creating Satan, knowing what he would do, and doing nothing to stop
him?
You mean like creating a species so that you could torture it, over
and over, for your amusement?
THAT God?
You rock.
Hatter
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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24 Apr 2007 07:56:29 AM |
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Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> writes:
On Apr 23, 11:58 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 23 Apr 2007 13:14:49 -0700, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
If students aren't receiving regular encouragement to act in a godly
way on campus
You mean like killing almost the entire human population?
You mean like ordering your followers to take their enemy's pre-teen
daughters as concubines?
You mean like framing someone for a crime, then punishing everyone for
all eternity for that "crime" unless they worshipped the child you
created so that he could be killed? Instead of just forgiving them
and leaving their descendents alone?
You mean like being able to create a universe without evil, but
creating Satan, knowing what he would do, and doing nothing to stop
him?
You mean like creating a species so that you could torture it, over
and over, for your amusement?
THAT God?
You rock.
Hatter
It's nice to know you're abusing a State of Maryland IP *and* ignoring that
pesky First Amendment in the process...and your nym is perfect.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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| User: "TRUECRISTIAN" |
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24 Apr 2007 11:33:19 AM |
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Muchas cosas pierde el hombre
que a veces las vuelve a hallar;
pero les debo ense=F1ar,
y es g=FCeno que lo recuerden:
si la verguenza se pierde,
jam=E1s se vuelve a encontrar.
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| User: "raven1" |
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23 Apr 2007 06:21:25 PM |
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On 23 Apr 2007 13:14:49 -0700, TRUECRISTIAN <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
Religious training is clearly necessary.
And it's equally clearly the job of the family and/or one's
church/temple/mosque/synagogue/coven/et al, to offer or otherwise
arrange for that, not the state, nor an educational institution not
affiliated with a religious organization. Unless you're posting from
the Vatican, or one of several Muslim nations, we thankfully no longer
live in a theocracy, and freedom of religion, not religious
compulsion, is the order of the day.
God should at least be
mentioned in the classroom and workplace from time to time.
Isn't it? I can't recall the last time I went through a day at work
without hearing God invoked by someone.
God is,
mentioned on our currency; he certainly should not be ignored
completely throughout the school day.
As a teacher, if I'm teaching a course on Comparative Religion, I'd
assuredly mention the topic, ditto for History, or English Lit.
Otherwise, if it's not pertinent to the topic, no.
God should be even more prominent in our colleges in universities. In
universities where students choose their own courses of study, there
is no reason not to offer courses in religion.
What University doesn't?
There is no good reason
not to have chapels available.
What University doesn't?
There is no good reason not to
acknowledge God on the nation's campuses.
Which God? Would it be OK to you if VA Tech had a Muezzin shouting the
Muslim call to prayer from a minaret 5 times a day? Or a Wiccan
priestess casting a Circle before classes? Why, or why not?
The Carpetbagger Report
argues that there are lots of religious groups on the Virginia Tech
campus... But how often is God actually mentioned in the regular
classroom at Virginia Tech, outside of a religion class?
Why would it be, when it's not relevant to the field of study?
Virtually
never, I'm willing to bet.
Again, why would it be, when it's not relevant to the field of study?
Colleges are places to *begin* to learn highly specialized information
in detail, not to provide remedial religious instruction, unless it is
a specifically religious institution. Further, they exist to provide
their services to persons of all faiths, and of none. Specifically
religious colleges (Catholic ones, at least), normally do make
students at least pay lip-service to the idea of their mission by
taking courses in religion, but how would you propose to handle such
things at a non-Sectarian college? Again, would you be OK with a
college including the Muslim call to prayer, or a Wiccan
Circle-casting?
We have become a highly secular society,
particularly in our schools and universities. This, in turn, is based
on an expansive interpretation of the constitution's establishment
clause.
This is based on the past 400 years of history. Where have you been?
If students aren't receiving regular encouragement to act in a godly
way on campus unless they go out of their way to seek out a campus
religious group, are they receiving religious support anywhere during
their college years?
Again, that's not the function of a college.
Too often, the start of college represents the
end of churchgoing for young adults -- at a time when students need
religious social support more than ever.
I've got news for you: living apart from one's parents, whether at
college or not, generally represents the end of churchgoing for young
adults.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Apr 2007 10:33:57 PM |
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On 23 Apr 2007 13:14:49 -0700, TRUECRISTIAN <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
Religious training is clearly necessary.
Cho got it. Look at where it led - to "dying like Jesus".
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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23 Apr 2007 04:41:30 PM |
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On Apr 23, 1:14 pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
Religious training is clearly necessary. God should at least be
mentioned in the classroom and workplace from time to time. God is
mentioned on our currency; he certainly should not be ignored
completely throughout the school day.
God should be even more prominent in our colleges in universities. In
universities where students choose their own courses of study, there
is no reason not to offer courses in religion. There is no good reason
not to have chapels available. There is no good reason not to
acknowledge God on the nation's campuses. The Carpetbagger Report
argues that there are lots of religious groups on the Virginia Tech
campus... But how often is God actually mentioned in the regular
classroom at Virginia Tech, outside of a religion class? Virtually
never, I'm willing to bet. We have become a highly secular society,
particularly in our schools and universities. This, in turn, is based
on an expansive interpretation of the constitution's establishment
clause.
If students aren't receiving regular encouragement to act in a godly
way on campus unless they go out of their way to seek out a campus
religious group, are they receiving religious support anywhere during
their college years? Too often, the start of college represents the
end of churchgoing for young adults -- at a time when students need
religious social support more than ever.
You used up your right to be taken seriously a long time ago.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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23 Apr 2007 04:08:19 PM |
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On Apr 23, 4:14 pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
Religious training is clearly necessary. God should at least be
mentioned in the classroom and workplace from time to time. God is
mentioned on our currency; he certainly should not be ignored
completely throughout the school day.
God should be even more prominent in our colleges in universities. In
universities where students choose their own courses of study, there
is no reason not to offer courses in religion. There is no good reason
not to have chapels available. There is no good reason not to
acknowledge God on the nation's campuses. The Carpetbagger Report
argues that there are lots of religious groups on the Virginia Tech
campus... But how often is God actually mentioned in the regular
classroom at Virginia Tech, outside of a religion class? Virtually
never, I'm willing to bet. We have become a highly secular society,
particularly in our schools and universities. This, in turn, is based
on an expansive interpretation of the constitution's establishment
clause.
If students aren't receiving regular encouragement to act in a godly
way on campus unless they go out of their way to seek out a campus
religious group, are they receiving religious support anywhere during
their college years? Too often, the start of college represents the
end of churchgoing for young adults -- at a time when students need
religious social support more than ever.
Hey, Braindamage! The VT killer WAS a christian! He killed all those
people because he saw them all acting in ways that he believed went
against god.
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| User: "JohnN" |
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23 Apr 2007 08:16:36 PM |
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On Apr 23, 4:14 pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
Religious training is clearly necessary. God should at least be
mentioned in the classroom and workplace from time to time. God is
mentioned on our currency; he certainly should not be ignored
completely throughout the school day.
God should be even more prominent in our colleges in universities. In
universities where students choose their own courses of study, there
is no reason not to offer courses in religion. There is no good reason
not to have chapels available. There is no good reason not to
acknowledge God on the nation's campuses. The Carpetbagger Report
argues that there are lots of religious groups on the Virginia Tech
campus... But how often is God actually mentioned in the regular
classroom at Virginia Tech, outside of a religion class? Virtually
never, I'm willing to bet. We have become a highly secular society,
particularly in our schools and universities. This, in turn, is based
on an expansive interpretation of the constitution's establishment
clause.
If students aren't receiving regular encouragement to act in a godly
way on campus unless they go out of their way to seek out a campus
religious group, are they receiving religious support anywhere during
their college years? Too often, the start of college represents the
end of churchgoing for young adults -- at a time when students need
religious social support more than ever.
If just one True Christian at VT had faith the size of a mustard seed,
he or she could have stopped Cho.
JohnN
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Apr 2007 11:02:04 PM |
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On 23 Apr 2007 18:16:36 -0700, JohnN <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
If just one True Christian at VT had faith the size of a mustard seed,
he or she could have stopped Cho.
Ever see a mustard seed? Not very much faith, eh?
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| User: "TRUECRISTIAN" |
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24 Apr 2007 09:03:44 AM |
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Starting in elementary school, children should receive at least a few
hours of training about the fundamental beliefs of most of the world's
major religions, with more emphasis put on the religions that are most
widely observed in the country and in the world at the time. If 80% of
Americans are Christian, then Christianity should get more emphasis
than Judaism or Islam, each of which is observed by less than 1% of
Americans. Schools don't need to teach religion as such, but they can
certainly make sure that their students are Bible literate. "God"
should not be a forbidden word, and prayer should not be reserved for
the moment when a pop quiz is announced or the aftermath of a school
shooting (if then). Maybe there needs to be more religion and prayer
at our universities, folks. Maybe there needs to be a sense on college
campuses that there's something bigger than the individual. ...But can
you imagine the leftists hearing me say this now: More prayer, more
religion at our university? "Separation of church and state!" would be
the template there. "What are you trying to do? You're trying to force
a religion on people!" No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no! You don't
understand. You can't possibly because you're irreligious.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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25 Apr 2007 04:22:24 PM |
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On Apr 24, 10:03 am, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
Starting in elementary school, children should receive at least a few
hours of training about the fundamental beliefs of most of the world's
major religions and how they are wrong, with more emphasis put on the religions
that are most widely observed in the country and in the world at the time. If 80% of
Americans are Christian, then Christianity should get more emphasis of dunking
class than Judaism or Islam, each of which is observed by less than 1% of
Americans. Schools don't need to teach religion is a sham, but they can
certainly make sure that their students are Bible error literate. "God"
should not be a forbidden word, but more a mocked one and prayer should be
reserved for the mentally weak.
Maybe there needs to be more dunking of religion and prayer
at our universities, folks. A little Critical thinking! Maybe there needs to be
more sense on college campuses that there's something completely weird
about the majority of the populace following bronze age myths. ...But can
you imagine the Christians hearing me say this now: More Science, more
rationalism at our university? "Separation of church and state!" would be
the template there. "What are you trying to do? You're trying to force
atheism on people!" No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no! You don't
understand. You can't possibly because you're religious.
Fixed to actually aproximate reality.
Hatter
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| User: "tirebiter" |
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23 Apr 2007 04:55:06 PM |
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On Apr 23, 4:14 pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
Religious training is clearly necessary. God should at least be
mentioned in the classroom and workplace from time to time. God is
mentioned on our currency; he certainly should not be ignored
completely throughout the school day.
God should be even more prominent in our colleges in universities. In
universities where students choose their own courses of study, there
is no reason not to offer courses in religion. There is no good reason
not to have chapels available. There is no good reason not to
acknowledge God on the nation's campuses. The Carpetbagger Report
argues that there are lots of religious groups on the Virginia Tech
campus... But how often is God actually mentioned in the regular
classroom at Virginia Tech, outside of a religion class? Virtually
never, I'm willing to bet. We have become a highly secular society,
particularly in our schools and universities. This, in turn, is based
on an expansive interpretation of the constitution's establishment
clause.
If students aren't receiving regular encouragement to act in a godly
way on campus unless they go out of their way to seek out a campus
religious group, are they receiving religious support anywhere during
their college years? Too often, the start of college represents the
end of churchgoing for young adults -- at a time when students need
religious social support more than ever.
Why isn't god doing anything about all of this? Why rely on humans to
get the word out? It clearly isn't working too well now. These high
carnage rampage killings are mostly performed by theists, and usually
with a religious intent behind the action (discounting for argument's
sake that the killers are psychotic). If god were to just manifest
itself, the way it apparently did nearly every day during the days the
bible was written, then maybe things would get straightened out right
away.
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a.a. #2273
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| User: "Hatter" |
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23 Apr 2007 04:14:51 PM |
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On Apr 23, 4:14 pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
You don't care. You don't care at all. You simply want to use the
blood of others as paint to draw you letter of hatred on a placard
that says "x" did this and stand on the broken bodies and scream it at
all who pass.
Shame on you.
"You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul and torched my
conscience," he
says, apparently reading from his manifesto. "You thought it was one
pathetic
boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus
Christ, to
inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people."
Walks like a theist, talks like a theist, sounds like theist. But not
one of the majority whom keep their delusions down to an acceptable
level.
No it sounds a little more like you.
Hatter
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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23 Apr 2007 06:12:57 PM |
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On Apr 23, 9:14 pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
Religious training is clearly necessary.
But why? I don't follow that at all! If you forgo the training then
the whole sorry business could be forgotten in a generation or so.
God should at least be
mentioned in the classroom and workplace from time to time.
Ok. Out of historic interest - fair enough. The school room would
certainly be dull without Greek and Roman mythology, so some mention
of the more recent Christian mythology seems only reasonable for
completeness.
God is
mentioned on our currency; he certainly should not be ignored
completely throughout the school day.
No school day should ever ignore currency. The next generation of
accountants has to come from somewhere.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Theists, Theism Responsible for Virginia Tech Killings!!!!!!!!! |
25 Apr 2007 08:29:23 PM |
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Religious training is clearly dangerous.
Martin
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| User: "John Baker" |
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25 Apr 2007 11:55:38 PM |
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On 25 Apr 2007 18:29:23 -0700, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com>
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Religious training is clearly dangerous.
<sigh> You're as bad as the theists who keep insisting that Cho was an
atheist. Neither theism nor atheism are responsible for VT. A mentally
ill young man who didn't get the help he needed is.
33 people died, folks. It's time for the "pundits" on both sides of
the religious fence to stop trying to milk VT for talking points.
Martin
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23 Apr 2007 09:14:58 PM |
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TRUECRISTIAN <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in news:1177359289.815536.176170
@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
Religious training is clearly necessary. God should at least be
mentioned in the classroom and workplace from time to time.
We don't generally have a class in comedy.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
The moral and religious teachings of no bible reach a higher altitude than
the intelligence and mental development of the age and country which
produced it.
-- Kersey Graves
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists, Atheism Responsible for Virginia Tech Killings!!!!!!!!! |
23 Apr 2007 07:17:51 PM |
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TRUECRISTIAN <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in news:1177359289.815536.176170
@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
Religious training is clearly necessary. God should at least be
mentioned in the classroom and workplace from time to time. God is
mentioned on our currency; he certainly should not be ignored
completely throughout the school day.
Indeed, the effect of religious training is best observed in Joseph Stalin.
Klazmon
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| User: "TheLetterK" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists, Atheism Responsible for Virginia Tech Killings!!!!!!!!! |
25 Apr 2007 01:13:56 PM |
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TRUECRISTIAN wrote:
Religious training is clearly necessary. God should at least be
mentioned in the classroom and workplace from time to time. God is
mentioned on our currency; he certainly should not be ignored
completely throughout the school day.
I hear about your imaginary friend all the time at school and work. It's
irritating, and it detracts from a professional working environment.
God should be even more prominent in our colleges in universities. In
universities where students choose their own courses of study, there
is no reason not to offer courses in religion.
I'm not aware of a college that does *not* offer at least a comparative
religion course.
There is no good reason
not to have chapels available.
That would cost money and use space that is better spent on the
education of the students, or for the enjoyment of *all* students, not
just those of a particular faith.
There is no good reason not to
acknowledge God on the nation's campuses.
He should be given time equal to other mythological beings, like Orin,
Zeus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and Santa Claus.
The Carpetbagger Report
argues that there are lots of religious groups on the Virginia Tech
campus... But how often is God actually mentioned in the regular
classroom at Virginia Tech, outside of a religion class?
Why would this matter, at all? Mentioning your imaginary friend in
Calculus has about as much purpose as discussing car maintenance, or the
reproductive methods of rare cacti.
Virtually
never, I'm willing to bet. We have become a highly secular society,
particularly in our schools and universities. This, in turn, is based
on an expansive interpretation of the constitution's establishment
clause.
A view supported by the writings and positions of the authors of said
establishment clause.
If students aren't receiving regular encouragement to act in a godly
way on campus unless they go out of their way to seek out a campus
religious group,
I certainly don't like people acting in a godly manner on campus. It's a
distraction.
are they receiving religious support anywhere during
their college years?
That would be what Sundays are for, I think.
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