Religions > Atheism > Atheists Cannot Explain Why Faith Survived The Assault Of Darwinism
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12 Oct 2006 07:31:30 PM |
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Atheists Cannot Explain Why Faith Survived The Assault Of Darwinism |
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7803
Dawkins the dogmatist
Incurious and rambling, Richard Dawkins's diatribe against religion
doesn't come close to explaining how faith has survived the assault of
Darwinism
Andrew Brown
Andrew Brown's books include The Darwin Wars (Simon & Schuster)
The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
(Bantam, L20)
It has been obvious for years that Richard Dawkins had a fat book on
religion in him, but who would have thought him capable of writing one
this bad? Incurious, dogmatic, rambling and self-contradictory, it has
none of the style or verve of his earlier works.
In his broad thesis, Dawkins is right. Religions are potentially
dangerous, and in their popular forms profoundly irrational. The
agnostics must be right and the atheists very well may be. There is no
purpose to the universe. Nothing inconsistent with the laws of physics
has been reliably reported. To demand a designer to explain the
complexity of the world begs the question, "Who designed the designer?"
It has been clear since Darwin that we have no need to hypothesise a
designer to explain the complexity of living things. The results of
intercessory prayer are indistinguishable from those of chance.
Dawkins gets miffed when this is called "19th-century" atheism, since,
as he says, the period of their first discovery does not affect the
truth of these propositions. But to call it "19th-century" is to draw
attention to the important truth added in the 20th century: that
religious belief persists in the face of these facts and arguments.
This persistence is what any scientific attack on religion must
explain-and this one doesn't. Dawkins mentions lots of modern atheist
scientists who have tried to explain the puzzle: Robert Hinde, Scott
Atran, Pascal Boyer, DS Wilson, Daniel Dennett, all of them worth
reading. But he cannot accept the obvious conclusion to draw from their
works, which is that thoroughgoing atheism is unnatural and will never
be popular.
Dawkins is inexhaustibly outraged by the fact that religious opinions
lead people to terrible crimes. But what, if there is no God, is so
peculiarly shocking about these opinions being specifically religious?
The answer he supplies is simple: that when religious people do evil
things, they are acting on the promptings of their faith but when
atheists do so, it's nothing to do with their atheism. He devotes pages
to a discussion of whether Hitler was a Catholic, concluding that
"Stalin was an atheist and Hitler probably wasn't, but even if he
was... the bottom line is very simple. Individual atheists may do evil
things but they don't do evil things in the name of atheism."
Yet under Stalin almost the entire Orthodox priesthood was exterminated
simply for being priests, as were the clergy of other religions and
hundreds of thousands of Baptists. The claim that Stalin's atheism had
nothing to do with his actions may be the most disingenuous in the
book, but it has competition from a later question, "Why would anyone
go to war for the sake of an absence of belief [atheism]?"-as if the
armies of the French revolution had marched under icons of the Virgin,
or as if a common justification offered for China's invasion of Tibet
had not been the awful priest-ridden backwardness of the Dalai Lama's
regime.
One might argue that a professor of the public understanding of science
has no need to concern himself with trivialities outside his field like
the French revolution, the Spanish civil war or Stalin's purges when he
knows that history is on his side. "With notable exceptions, such as
the Afghan Taliban and the American Christian equivalent, most people
play lip service to the same broad liberal consensus of ethical
principles." Really? "The majority of us don't cause needless
suffering; we believe in free speech and protect it even if we disagree
with what is being said." Do the Chinese believe in free speech? Does
Dawkins think that pious Catholics or Muslims are allowed to? Does he
believe in it himself? He quotes later in the book approvingly and at
length a speech by his friend Nicholas Humphrey which argued that, "We
should no more allow parents to teach their children to believe, for
example, in the literal truth of the Bible or that planets rule their
lives, than we should allow parents to knock their children's teeth
out." But of course, it's not interfering with free speech when
atheists do it.
He repeats the theory that suicide bombs are caused by religious
schools: "If children were taught to question and think through their
beliefs, instead of being taught the superior value of faith without
question, it is a good bet that there would be no suicide bombers.
Suicide bombers do what they do because they really believe what they
were taught in their religious schools." Evidence? As it happens, the
definitive scientific study of suicide bombers, Dying to Win, has just
been published by Robert Pape, a Chicago professor who has a database
containing every known suicide attack since 1980. This shows, as
clearly as evidence can, that religious zealotry is not on its own
sufficient to produce suicide bombers; in fact, it's not even
necessary: the practice was widely used by Marxist guerrillas in Sri
Lanka.
Dawkins, as a young man, invented and deployed to great effect a
logical fallacy he called "the argument from Episcopal incredulity,"
skewering a hapless clergyman who had argued that since nothing hunted
polar bears, they had no need to camouflage themselves in white. It had
not occurred to the bishop that polar bears must eat, and that the
seals they prey on find it harder to spot a white bear stalking across
the ice cap. Of course, you had to think a bit about life on the ice
cap to spot this argument. But thinking a bit was once what Dawkins was
famous for. It's a shame to see him reduced to one long argument from
professorial incredulity.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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12 Oct 2006 09:14:29 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1160699490.386717.229900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Subject: Atheists Cannot Explain Why Faith Survived The Assault Of
Darwinism
I can.
Religious people are dumb.
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Doc Smartass
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of
words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people
who must use the words. - Philip K. *****
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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12 Oct 2006 09:31:30 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:14:29 +0000, Doc Smartass wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1160699490.386717.229900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Subject: Atheists Cannot Explain Why Faith Survived The Assault Of
Darwinism
I can.
Religious people are dumb.
The Squawk of Turd must be the most religious person on the planet...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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13 Oct 2006 11:31:52 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:4O6dnbJE9O4fZ7PYnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:14:29 +0000, Doc Smartass wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1160699490.386717.229900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Subject: Atheists Cannot Explain Why Faith Survived The Assault Of
Darwinism
I can.
Religious people are dumb.
The Squawk of Turd must be the most religious person on the planet...
He's-a the freakin'-a poop!
--
Doc Smartass
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of
words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the
people who must use the words. - Philip K. *****
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| User: "Andres64" |
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13 Oct 2006 05:01:37 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:14:29 +0000, Doc Smartass wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1160699490.386717.229900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Subject: Atheists Cannot Explain Why Faith Survived The Assault Of
Darwinism
I can.
Religious people are dumb.
The Squawk of Turd must be the most religious person on the planet...
LOL. 'Squawk of the Turd'. But seriously. Is he really as retarded
as he seems? How can he even manage to get out of bed? All he does is
copy and past and he *still* gets his ***** kicked numerous times a day.
Talk about a glutton for punishment.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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17 Oct 2006 09:13:34 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:01:37 -0700, Andres64 wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:14:29 +0000, Doc Smartass wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1160699490.386717.229900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Subject: Atheists Cannot Explain Why Faith Survived The Assault Of
Darwinism
I can.
Religious people are dumb.
The Squawk of Turd must be the most religious person on the planet...
LOL. 'Squawk of the Turd'. But seriously. Is he really as retarded
as he seems?
At least.
How can he even manage to get out of bed?
There are still mysteries in the universe.
All he does is copy and past and he *still* gets his ***** kicked numerous times a day.
Talk about a glutton for punishment.
He's on a mission from god!
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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12 Oct 2006 09:44:39 PM |
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Since when did faith in God need the belief that Genesis is the
definitive article on his creation?
I would hope that Darwinists with Faith in God including myself will
see the distinction necessary in interpreting the book of Genesis (at
least the beginning) as an alegorical document that bears little or no
relevence on the actual creation of the totality of existance.
Are these people who disdain from accepting any view on the possibility
of evolution as God's means by which life was created expecting their
ignorance of scientific truth to sufficiently undermine the faith that
many scientists have in Darwin's theory. Blessed are the hypocrites.
And how can people, of the book or otherwise, still base their belief
in God as a creator that would only serve to create one imperfect
world. I'm sure that there are many imperfect worlds in this imperfect
universe, as many as there are perfect worlds in perfect universes.
Yours sincerely Jeff Adams
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| User: "Mark D J. Mark D" |
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13 Oct 2006 11:47:46 PM |
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<j.adams06@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1160707479.664789.133430@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Since when did faith in God need the belief that Genesis is the
definitive article on his creation?
Answer: since theists started to notice that the old sky-god couldn't be
found anywhere; wasn't doing anything; and wasn't needed for anything.
Preserving 'Genesis' is their last-ditch attempt to find something,
*anything* that 'Jehovah' *could actually have done*...
I would hope that Darwinists with Faith in God including myself will
see the distinction necessary in interpreting the book of Genesis (at
least the beginning) as an alegorical document that bears little or no
relevence on the actual creation of the totality of existance.
So once again, the tricky theist picks and chooses what's 'allegorical' and
what isn't -- and does so according to what *science* tells him he can and
can't have...!
Are these people who disdain from accepting any view on the possibility
of evolution as God's means by which life was created expecting their
ignorance of scientific truth to sufficiently undermine the faith that
many scientists have in Darwin's theory. Blessed are the hypocrites.
Evidence of mental illness in the writing of that paragraph; but even so I
love the picture it presents: the sky-god sets up an evolutionary system
that would have existed in any case, and then leaves it alone to operate in
precisely the way it would have operated had he not refused to manipulate
it. Stunning, Gomer; simply stunning. In fact, it's almost as good as the
idea that the very same sky-god later sacrificed himself to himself so as
not to have to direct his wrath against his own creations for acting in a
way he created them to act. Yup, it's genius like that that makes a
religion...!
M.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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13 Oct 2006 12:42:40 PM |
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wrote:
Since when did faith in God need the belief that Genesis is the
definitive article on his creation?
I would hope that Darwinists with Faith in God including myself will
see the distinction necessary in interpreting the book of Genesis (at
least the beginning) as an alegorical document that bears little or no
relevence on the actual creation of the totality of existance.
I don't get how you can believe in god when you think the foundation
for that belief (Genesis) is an allegory. Or how you can believe in god
when you understand evolution is a fact, because it contradicts that
same foundation for your belief.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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13 Oct 2006 12:44:50 PM |
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wrote:
Since when did faith in God need the belief that Genesis is the
definitive article on his creation?
I would hope that Darwinists with Faith in God including myself will
see the distinction necessary in interpreting the book of Genesis (at
least the beginning) as an alegorical document that bears little or no
relevence on the actual creation of the totality of existance.
I don't get how you can believe in god when you think the foundation
for that belief (Genesis) is an allegory. Or how you can believe in god
when you understand evolution is a fact, because it contradicts that
same foundation for your belief.
Are these people who disdain from accepting any view on the possibility
of evolution as God's means by which life was created expecting their
ignorance of scientific truth to sufficiently undermine the faith that
many scientists have in Darwin's theory. Blessed are the hypocrites.
And how can people, of the book or otherwise, still base their belief
in God as a creator that would only serve to create one imperfect
world. I'm sure that there are many imperfect worlds in this imperfect
universe, as many as there are perfect worlds in perfect universes.
Yours sincerely Jeff Adams
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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12 Oct 2006 07:36:36 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote in message
Trolling.
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| User: "" |
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12 Oct 2006 09:25:07 PM |
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote in message
Trolling.
If so there is no point in replying to the messages.
I would rather designate it as spam, subcategory
religious propaganda. It is off topic for most of the
groups to which it is posted.
Instead of replying, write to
(The message was posted at Google Groups) and
ask that the account be pulled and the messages deleted.
The author is soundoftrumpet [at] myway.com but it is probably
a throwaway account.
Ask Google to stop supporting spam.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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13 Oct 2006 12:12:47 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, Sound of Trumpet poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
Atheists Cannot Explain Why Faith Survived The Assault Of Darwinism
This is all so beautifully ironic. Here we have a copy-and-paste troll
who has never demonstrated the ability to produce an original thought,
and has to copy-and-paste someone else's claim that atheists do not have
an argument.
Regards,
Josef
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is probably the reason why
so few engage in it.
-- Henry Ford
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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13 Oct 2006 04:36:34 AM |
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In article <1160699490.386717.229900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote:
Incurious and rambling, Richard Dawkins's diatribe against religion
doesn't come close to explaining how faith has survived the assault of
Darwinism
I would have expected Dawkins to mention that "Darwinism" was a
SCIENTIFIC THEORY, not an attack on your idiotic superstition. Jackass.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
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| User: "Gene Ward Smith" |
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13 Oct 2006 11:38:54 PM |
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*nemo* wrote:
In article <1160699490.386717.229900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote:
Incurious and rambling, Richard Dawkins's diatribe against religion
doesn't come close to explaining how faith has survived the assault of
Darwinism
I would have expected Dawkins to mention that "Darwinism" was a
SCIENTIFIC THEORY, not an attack on your idiotic superstition. Jackass.
I would have expected you to have read the friggin review, and
discovered the author of it was not any kind of religious believer,
Nitwit.
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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14 Oct 2006 08:14:29 AM |
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In article <1160800733.917396.241460@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
*nemo* wrote:
In article <1160699490.386717.229900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote:
Incurious and rambling, Richard Dawkins's diatribe against religion
doesn't come close to explaining how faith has survived the assault of
Darwinism
I would have expected Dawkins to mention that "Darwinism" was a
SCIENTIFIC THEORY, not an attack on your idiotic superstition. Jackass.
I would have expected you to have read the friggin review, and
discovered the author of it was not any kind of religious believer,
Nitwit.
If you were familiar with "Sound of Flatulence" you'd know where he was
coming from. Asshat.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Gene Ward Smith" |
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15 Oct 2006 01:18:50 AM |
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*nemo* wrote:
In article <1160800733.917396.241460@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
I would have expected Dawkins to mention that "Darwinism" was a
SCIENTIFIC THEORY, not an attack on your idiotic superstition. Jackass.
I would have expected you to have read the friggin review, and
discovered the author of it was not any kind of religious believer,
Nitwit.
If you were familiar with "Sound of Flatulence" you'd know where he was
coming from. Asshat.
He didn't write the review, you drooling imbecile.
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| User: "raven1" |
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13 Oct 2006 05:33:23 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2006 17:31:30 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote:
Incurious and rambling, Richard Dawkins's diatribe against religion
doesn't come close to explaining how faith has survived the assault of
Darwinism
Probably because the two aren't incompatible, moron. The only thing
"Darwinism" is an assault on is taking creation myths literally.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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16 Oct 2006 10:07:28 AM |
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On 12 Oct 2006 17:31:30 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote:
Incurious and rambling, Richard Dawkins's diatribe against religion
doesn't come close to explaining how faith has survived the assault of
Darwinism
He also hasn't explained how faith has survived the assault of
Newtonism.
How do you explain how Hinduism has survived the assault of
Christianity?
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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12 Oct 2006 09:37:08 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2006 17:31:30 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7803
Dawkins the dogmatist
Incurious and rambling, Richard Dawkins's diatribe
against religion doesn't come close to explaining how
faith has survived the assault of Darwinism
Against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in
vain.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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12 Oct 2006 09:46:30 PM |
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I think it more proper to establish how scientific evidence has
survived the assault of faith
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| User: "brique" |
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13 Oct 2006 10:59:14 PM |
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<j.adams06@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1160707590.653864.299540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I think it more proper to establish how scientific evidence has
survived the assault of faith
Or more proper to examine how humanity has survived the assault of
faith.....
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| User: "Victor Velazquez" |
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15 Oct 2006 10:03:56 AM |
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<j.adams06@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1160707590.653864.299540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I think it more proper to establish how scientific evidence has
survived the assault of faith
Indeed! If there were a god, at least as described by Trumpet, et al, you'd
think all scientists would have been turned into pillars of salt long ago.
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| User: "Michael Price" |
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12 Oct 2006 11:19:38 PM |
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James A. Donald wrote:
On 12 Oct 2006 17:31:30 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7803
Dawkins the dogmatist
Incurious and rambling, Richard Dawkins's diatribe
against religion doesn't come close to explaining how
faith has survived the assault of Darwinism
Against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in
vain.
ROTFLMAO! For context James appears to be an atheist.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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| User: "Curly Surmudgeon" |
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14 Oct 2006 11:13:36 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:31:30 -0700, Sound of Trumpet wrote:
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Sound of Trumpet cannot explain his own bile.
-- Regards, Curly
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Time to dust off the guillotine
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie" |
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12 Oct 2006 08:46:47 PM |
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Sound of Fuckwit wrote:
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=3D7803
OK, put your money where your mouth is, Fuckwit. Half a million =A3CYP
(look it up on various currnecy exchange websites) says this one can. I
haven't got the money, but then, I don't need it.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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13 Oct 2006 02:08:49 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
"Atheists Cannot Explain Why Faith Survived The Assault Of Darwinism"
Sure we can. Have you ever tried to have an intelligent conversation
with one of the "faithful"?
Uncle Vic
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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13 Oct 2006 07:41:16 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7803
Dawkins the dogmatist
Incurious and rambling, Richard Dawkins's diatribe against religion
doesn't come close to explaining how faith has survived the assault of
Darwinism
I suspect it has something to do with the fact that Darwinism doesn't resort
to making false promises.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists Cannot Explain Why Faith Survived The Assault Of Darwinism |
16 Oct 2006 08:04:16 PM |
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Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7803
Dawkins the dogmatist
Incurious and rambling, Richard Dawkins's diatribe against religion
doesn't come close to explaining how faith has survived the assault of
Darwinism
I suspect it has something to do with the fact that Darwinism doesn't resort
to making false promises.
It also doesn't make humanity superior to everything else and does not
guarantee dominance over everything.
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| User: "Mark D J. Mark D" |
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17 Oct 2006 12:51:26 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7803
Dawkins the dogmatist
Incurious and rambling, Richard Dawkins's diatribe against religion
doesn't come close to explaining how faith has survived the assault of
Darwinism
Actually, he devotes *quite a lot of space* to that very topic. 'Faith'
survives, he explains, for the very simple (and very Darwinian) reason that
small children are evolutionarily programmed to believe and remember
whatever they are told by trusted adults. Once a religion evolves, it gets
told to kids who are too young to see it for the ludicrous crap it is.
Later, they tell it to their kids.
Make people leave off talking about old superstitious crap until their kids
are, say, 10 years old, and 'faith' would be dead in a generation...
M.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists Cannot Explain Why Faith Survived The Assault Of Darwinism |
17 Oct 2006 04:28:38 AM |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:04:16 GMT, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7803
Dawkins the dogmatist
Incurious and rambling, Richard Dawkins's diatribe against religion
doesn't come close to explaining how faith has survived the assault of
Darwinism
I suspect it has something to do with the fact that Darwinism doesn't resort
to making false promises.
and all Darwin did was try to explain evolution.
It also doesn't make humanity superior to everything else and does not
guarantee dominance over everything.
I wasn't even aware we were being asked to explain the survival of
faith.
There are two answers depending on the particular brand of faith
and where it is.
In the USA the answer is mostly: stupidity
I guess Christians in the UK are a bit more intelligent since they
have accepted the obvious fact that evolution occurs and adapted
making it fully logical in a created framework. After all Darwin was a
Christian. Evolution just is not a controversy here though some US
influenced evangelist are trying to make it one and thus making their
religion look as stupid as it is.
If you do not ride the winds of change you get blown away.
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Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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13 Oct 2006 11:18:05 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7803
Dawkins the dogmatist
Incurious and rambling, Richard Dawkins's diatribe against religion
doesn't come close to explaining how faith has survived the assault of
Darwinism
But how long before the final assault?
How long can the beleagured barbarian defenders hold out against the
attacks of the legions of reason and science?
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
<snip the BS>
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists Cannot Explain Why Faith Survived The Assault Of Darwinism |
12 Oct 2006 07:50:10 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7803
Sure we can. Here goes:
Some people are stupid. Some people are scared. Some people are lonely.
So they make up little stories to make themselves feel better.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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