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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on 10
Sep 2004 15:08:00 -0700,

"Mario Petrinovich" <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote in message news:<chr8k7$j8o$1@ls219.htnet.hr>...

Holden:

I am continously amazed at the number of people who see constant
scientific
advance, and yet still don't understand that science will advance. If you
lived 150 years ago you'd be saying that it is impossible for man to fly.

150 years ago? I would say it 150 000 years ago, as well. And, 10
000 years after that people still wouldn't fly. What YOU don't understand is
that all this didn't happen because of our smartness (we were as smart 10
000 years ago, as we are today). It is because of people getting together.
Making organized sociaty. But not yet. Then making democratic sociaty. This
started few hundrad years ago. You can expect fast tempo, at the begining.
But this tempo willslowdown.Thisisn'tlimitless.Therearesomelimits.
And this is what is happening. First boom, then slow down. It will not
continue with same tempo, and after some time it will reach its limits.
What? You are expecting for humans to be rulers of the Universe, one
day? Lol. Don't you say. Nothing more and nothing less. And all you have to
do is to wish that it will be true, someday. -- Mario

You have any evidence that scientific advances are slowing down?
200,000 years ago - first modern humans, talking
40,000 years ago - fire kits and art, good flint tools
10,000 years ago - bows and arrows, domesticated dogs
5,000 years ago - bronze age
3,000 years ago - sailing
500 years ago - glass lenses, scientific process
100 years ago - airplanes
50 years ago - computers
20 years ago - genetics

Is that about right? Feel free to correct my dates, but do I see a
trend here? Things look to me like they're starting to really heat up.

Your time line is false.

Please tell me that you aren't about to insult everyone here by claiming
that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

Holden:

I am continously amazed at the number of people who see constant
scientific
advance, and yet still don't understand that science will advance.
If you lived 150 years ago you'd be saying that it is impossible for
man to fly.

150 years ago? I would say it 150 000 years ago, as well.
And, 10 000 years after that people still wouldn't fly. What YOU
don't understand is that all this didn't happen because of our
smartness (we were as smart 10 000 years ago, as we are today). It is
because of people getting together. Making organized sociaty. But not
yet. Then making democratic sociaty. This started few hundrad years
ago. You can expect fast tempo, at the begining. But this tempo will
slow down. This isn't limitless. There are some limits. And this is
what is happening. First boom, then slow down. It will not continue
with same tempo, and after some time it will reach its
limits. What? You are expecting for humans to be rulers of the
Universe, one
day? Lol. Don't you say. Nothing more and nothing less. And all you
have to do is to wish that it will be true, someday. -- Mario

Holden:

I am continously amazed at the number of people who see constant
scientific
advance, and yet still don't understand that science will advance. If you
lived 150 years ago you'd be saying that it is impossible for man to fly.

150 years ago? I would say it 150 000 years ago, as well. And, 10
000 years after that people still wouldn't fly. What YOU don't understand is
that all this didn't happen because of our smartness (we were as smart 10
000 years ago, as we are today).

Kermit:

Mario Petrinovich:

Kermit:

Death may be necessary, but couldn't I postpone it a few thousand
years? I'm enjoying myself so far, and the future is a gas. I expect
it to just keep getting more interesting, if not necessarily better.

No. It will start to be bad, and then worse and worse. Until you
die. This is the very reason why you (and every living thing that can
die
out of natural death) are dying at the end. My mother preyed to god to
die.
Every day. She couldn't stand her illnesses anymore. This all became
senseless and apsurd. -- Mario

Um... no. You misread me, altho I can see how. I mean the life outside
of me, the world around me, will probably get more interesting, and
possibly better. A 53-YO athlete, I'm doing just fine now, thank you,
but yes, it could get pretty bad before the end.

No. I never heard that a 53yo (BTW, I am 42) athlete can keep up
with 25yo athlete. Neither you are on par in any other way (except things a
younger one cannot have, like experience, and similar things). Things are
deteriorating, gradually. But, in your last years they simply go out of
control. In a lot of cases you have big problems with basic things, like
walking, peeing, seeing, hearing, and similar things.

Folks who live to be 102 are usually doing fine until they're 92 - the
ones who are sickly at 50 are the ones who are dying at 58. I assume
any medical technology which will let my grandkids live indefinitely
will be keeping them young.

Again, no. Life is a product of thousands processes. Which need to
be inteligently menaged. To keep everything in balance. And they all are
interlaced. Some of those processes are not performing linearly. Some are
oscilating. A lot are responding to something else. No medication can adjust
to that. It doesn't have intelligence. Medication is good for fixing holes.
Like a glue. Nothing more. At the end you just have an old baloon, terribly
wanting to break apart, but hole fixers keep it together (AFAIK).

We will always be mortal, even if we don't
get old or die from cancer. I'm just nowehere near *tired of life yet,
and I don't see it within 500 years. But sure, I'll probably be glad
enuf for it when I'm tired and blind and in pain. Kermit

Gactimus wrote:

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I have mixed emotions about dying. I am not looking forward to the
process of dying, but most definitely want it to happen, eventually.

I think Immortality is over rated. Death is necessary.

Gactimus wrote:

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I have mixed emotions about dying. I am not looking forward to the
process of dying, but most definitely want it to happen, eventually.

I think Immortality is over rated. Death is necessary.

Gactimus wrote:

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I have mixed emotions about dying. I am not looking forward to the
process of dying, but most definitely want it to happen, eventually.

I think Immortality is over rated. Death is necessary.

--
John Popelish

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.

I just want to know how any Atheists feel about dying.