In article <nkte53pg6n1d2f8p80d11a23k043541...@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1172,n,n

I wonder if the original was written in crayon? I would like to ask the
person who wrote that what people would think if she were to substitute
"Jew" for "atheist"? Unfortunately, I doubt if she would get the
reference.
--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.

On Sat, 26 May 2007 09:22:24 +0930, Michael Gray

<mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1172,n,n

Fair's Fair!

ACLU CLASS ACTION

The ACLU today announced the start of a class action under Sec. 349.
[8 U.S.C. 1481] of the Immigration and Nationality Act that is aimed
at revoking the US citizenship of any and all practicing Christians in
the United States, deporting them from the country and seizing their
property.

Section 349 of the INA states:

A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or
naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing
any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United
States nationality- . (2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or
other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a
political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of
eighteen years;

NATIONALITY AND LOSING IT

ACLU spokesman Edward A. Chesterfield said: "The fundamentalist
religious right has held sway in our secular nation for too long.
Under the provisions of section 349 of the INA the ACLU hopes to
remove their pernicious political and moral influence from America
once and for all by removing them from the United States. The ACLU
will be arguing that formal Christian worship amounts to 'taking an
oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of
allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof' and
automatically deprives the Christian of their US citizenship.

Moreover, because the statute specifically excludes those under 18
years of age, upon deportation of their parents as illegal aliens, the
children will be housed by Federal facilities where they can be
educated in sound secular terms. This re-education will be paid for by
the sale of the illegal aliens' property which will be held to be
de-facto illegally acquired, the proceeds of crime and therefore
liable to seizure by the federal government".

When Christian Newswire contacted Ian D. Oliver-Terrance, PhD of the
Christian Law Institute he commented: "In the context of the end-times
there have been rumors in Christian circles of this and similar
class-actions for several years, and unfortunately the ACLU appears to
be on solid legal ground because of the badly framed nature of the
section 349 of the INA and the fact that while American Christians
hope and work for the United States to follow Biblical principles a
Christian's first allegiance is only and always to God in the person
of Jesus Christ. If asked, 'is your first allegiance to Jesus Christ
or to the United States', the Christian must answer 'Jesus Christ'".

HEADS I WIN TAILS YOU LOSE

Rev. Dr. Peter Shayne of the Center for Christian Law said, "This is a
very disturbing development. If the ACLU win they will at a stroke
turn America into a pagan nation, but if they lose they will establish
America as an officially atheist state" adding "The only grounds for
dismissing the class action would be for the law to formally not
recognize the existence of Jesus Christ and on those grounds to rule
that the first allegiance of Christians is to a non-existent entity
and therefore beyond the provisions of section 349(2). It may very
well be that this literally devilish plan is designed to fail and thus
establish America as an officially atheist state by the back door."

UNCONVINCING DENIAL

When asked for clarification the ACLU declined. "This was not an
official press release and we do not comment on leaks or inadvertent
releases of information. We have no spokesman of the name Edward A.
Chesterfield". Subsequent calls from this reporter were declined and
the contact number for Edward A. Chesterfield had been disconnected.

ACTION

Following this denial the Rev. Dr. Peter Shayne and Dr.
Oliver-Terrance independently contacted this reporter upon their
independent verification of this report to appeal for all American
Christians to do everything they can to prevent the launch of this
class action which they fear may be the beginning of the end-times.
"If we win this action we will lose, and if we lose we will lose" said
Dr. Shayne, adding "the only way to win is to ensure that this case
never comes to court and the only way to do that is by direct personal
action". They urge readers to write to their republican congressman,
and to contact the President directly. Christian Newswire is happy to
cooperate with this request by publishing the appropriate contact
addresses.

http://www.house.gov/writerep/http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

[CNW.REL-A/695-720 WDS: Subedit:Y (C)CWS Nov 2005] [para]

On Sat, 26 May 2007 09:22:24 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1172,n,n

Fair's Fair!




ACLU CLASS ACTION

The ACLU today announced the start of a class action under Sec. 349.
[8 U.S.C. 1481] of the Immigration and Nationality Act that is aimed
at revoking the US citizenship of any and all practicing Christians in
the United States, deporting them from the country and seizing their
property.

Section 349 of the INA states:

A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or
naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing
any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United
States nationality- . (2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or
other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a
political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of
eighteen years;

NATIONALITY AND LOSING IT

ACLU spokesman Edward A. Chesterfield said: "The fundamentalist
religious right has held sway in our secular nation for too long.
Under the provisions of section 349 of the INA the ACLU hopes to
remove their pernicious political and moral influence from America
once and for all by removing them from the United States. The ACLU
will be arguing that formal Christian worship amounts to 'taking an
oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of
allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof' and
automatically deprives the Christian of their US citizenship.

Moreover, because the statute specifically excludes those under 18
years of age, upon deportation of their parents as illegal aliens, the
children will be housed by Federal facilities where they can be
educated in sound secular terms. This re-education will be paid for by
the sale of the illegal aliens' property which will be held to be
de-facto illegally acquired, the proceeds of crime and therefore
liable to seizure by the federal government".

When Christian Newswire contacted Ian D. Oliver-Terrance, PhD of the
Christian Law Institute he commented: "In the context of the end-times
there have been rumors in Christian circles of this and similar
class-actions for several years, and unfortunately the ACLU appears to
be on solid legal ground because of the badly framed nature of the
section 349 of the INA and the fact that while American Christians
hope and work for the United States to follow Biblical principles a
Christian's first allegiance is only and always to God in the person
of Jesus Christ. If asked, 'is your first allegiance to Jesus Christ
or to the United States', the Christian must answer 'Jesus Christ'".

HEADS I WIN TAILS YOU LOSE

Rev. Dr. Peter Shayne of the Center for Christian Law said, "This is a
very disturbing development. If the ACLU win they will at a stroke
turn America into a pagan nation, but if they lose they will establish
America as an officially atheist state" adding "The only grounds for
dismissing the class action would be for the law to formally not
recognize the existence of Jesus Christ and on those grounds to rule
that the first allegiance of Christians is to a non-existent entity
and therefore beyond the provisions of section 349(2). It may very
well be that this literally devilish plan is designed to fail and thus
establish America as an officially atheist state by the back door."

UNCONVINCING DENIAL

When asked for clarification the ACLU declined. "This was not an
official press release and we do not comment on leaks or inadvertent
releases of information. We have no spokesman of the name Edward A.
Chesterfield". Subsequent calls from this reporter were declined and
the contact number for Edward A. Chesterfield had been disconnected.

ACTION

Following this denial the Rev. Dr. Peter Shayne and Dr.
Oliver-Terrance independently contacted this reporter upon their
independent verification of this report to appeal for all American
Christians to do everything they can to prevent the launch of this
class action which they fear may be the beginning of the end-times.
"If we win this action we will lose, and if we lose we will lose" said
Dr. Shayne, adding "the only way to win is to ensure that this case
never comes to court and the only way to do that is by direct personal
action". They urge readers to write to their republican congressman,
and to contact the President directly. Christian Newswire is happy to
cooperate with this request by publishing the appropriate contact
addresses.

http://www.house.gov/writerep/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

[CNW.REL-A/695-720 WDS: Subedit:Y (C)CWS Nov 2005] [para]

On Sat, 26 May 2007 09:22:24 +0930, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1172,n,n

That's Christian Love and education for you.

On Sat, 26 May 2007 09:22:24 +0930, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1172,n,n

That's Christian Love and education for you.

On Sat, 26 May 2007 09:22:24 +0930, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1172,n,n

Wow, she's so pig headed I can smell the bacon!