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Religions > Atheism |
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"Larry Mundinger" |
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07 Dec 2003 05:24:08 PM |
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Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g7326_BC_MI--ReligiousDiversit&&news&newsflash-michigan
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http://tinyurl.com/y5sy
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Larry Mundinger (aa#451)
American Atheists Internet Representative <irep @ atheists.org>
<http://www.atheists.org/> <http://www.americanatheist.org/>
<http://www.atheistviewpoint.tv/>
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
07 Dec 2003 08:11:35 PM |
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"Larry Mundinger" <see.below@signature.org> wrote in message
news:mDOAb.10706$nH.3858@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g7326_BC_MI--ReligiousDiversit&&news&newsflash-michigan
or
http://tinyurl.com/y5sy
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Larry Mundinger (aa#451)
American Atheists Internet Representative <irep @ atheists.org>
<http://www.atheists.org/> <http://www.americanatheist.org/>
<http://www.atheistviewpoint.tv/>
Learning about world religions did more to convince me to become
an atheist than anything else I did in my life.
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| User: "khartoum" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
08 Dec 2003 08:09:23 AM |
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Geoff Offermann wrote:
"Larry Mundinger" <see.below@signature.org> wrote in message
news:mDOAb.10706$nH.3858@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g7326_BC_MI--ReligiousDiversit&&news&newsflash-michigan
or
http://tinyurl.com/y5sy
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Larry Mundinger (aa#451)
American Atheists Internet Representative <irep @ atheists.org>
<http://www.atheists.org/> <http://www.americanatheist.org/>
<http://www.atheistviewpoint.tv/>
Learning about world religions did more to convince me to become
an atheist than anything else I did in my life.
Me too! The Catholic high school that I attended did a pretty good job
of teaching about world religions. They unknowingly set me on my path
to lack of belief.:)
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Khartoum aa#2110
When two men of science disagree, they do not invoke the secular arm;
they wait for further evidence to decide the issue, because, as men
of science,they know that neither is infallible. But when two
theologians differ,since there is no criteria to which either can
appeal, there is nothing for it but mutual hatred and an open or
covert appeal to force.
Bertrand Russell
Can Religion Cure our Troubles 1954
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
11 Dec 2003 11:43:50 AM |
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"Larry Mundinger" <see.below@signature.org> wrote in message
news:mDOAb.10706$nH.3858@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
Will they be simply be taught *about* these various religions? Or will there
be attempts to proselytize?
If the former, I have no objection. Indeed, I see comparative religion
courses as vital - it shows religious children that there is more to the
religious world than the religion they were brought up in, and it will show
atheist kids that no one religion has a monopoly on "truth" despite the
claims of each religion.
If the latter, then I am dead-set against it, because it is a violation of
the separation of church and state.
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Peacenik
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
08 Dec 2003 06:58:28 PM |
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Larry Mundinger <see.below@signature.org> thought hard and said:
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
Ummm... okay. I see not a problem.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, and Krzysztof Penderecki are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
07 Dec 2003 09:54:48 PM |
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Larry Mundinger <see.below@signature.org> wrote in
news:mDOAb.10706$nH.3858@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.
ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g7326_BC_MI--ReligiousDiversit&&news&new
sflash-michigan or
http://tinyurl.com/y5sy
I see this as a "kneejerk" reaction by some "fundamentalist" atheists.
Reading the article, it sounds like some education was going on, rather
than proselytizing. Althought, I must admit, that I am surprised that
some fundamentalist xians weren't up in arms about subjecting their kids
to other religions.
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
08 Dec 2003 12:12:13 AM |
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In article <Xns944AE9D1BCE69wodencharternet@216.168.3.44>,
Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
Larry Mundinger <see.below@signature.org> wrote in
news:mDOAb.10706$nH.3858@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.
ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g7326_BC_MI--ReligiousDiversit&&news&new
sflash-michigan or
http://tinyurl.com/y5sy
I see this as a "kneejerk" reaction by some "fundamentalist" atheists.
Reading the article, it sounds like some education was going on, rather
than proselytizing. Althought, I must admit, that I am surprised that
some fundamentalist xians weren't up in arms about subjecting their kids
to other religions.
If the object is education, I would have no objection either. However,
I would hope that the speakers would include at least one
non-believer. I doubt if the fundy xtians would go for that idea
though.
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John Hachmann, aa #1782
- Question authority. Now more than ever. -
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| User: "Clothaire" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
08 Dec 2003 01:47:15 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 03:54:48 -0000, Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
Larry Mundinger <see.below@signature.org> wrote in
news:mDOAb.10706$nH.3858@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.
ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g7326_BC_MI--ReligiousDiversit&&news&new
sflash-michigan or
http://tinyurl.com/y5sy
I see this as a "kneejerk" reaction by some "fundamentalist" atheists.
Reading the article, it sounds like some education was going on, rather
than proselytizing. Althought, I must admit, that I am surprised that
some fundamentalist xians weren't up in arms about subjecting their kids
to other religions.
The camel's nose in under the tent.
Soon the camel will be in there.
Clothaire #1392
"Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told.
Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right."
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
07 Dec 2003 06:23:29 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:24:08 -0500, Larry Mundinger
<see.below@signature.org> wrote:
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g7326_BC_MI--ReligiousDiversit&&news&newsflash-michigan
or
http://tinyurl.com/y5sy
As an atheist I am totally OK with this.
I would not be upset if my son went on these trips.
Schools should educate children about these important aspects of
society - you cannot pretend that religion doesnt exist - its a real
part of the world we live in - and an important part.
The people protesting this are simply being stoopid.
They give "atheists" a bad name.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "Wolf333" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
07 Dec 2003 09:24:08 PM |
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"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
news:p2h7tv4hcr9s2jepb46tm574gvedgu0qg9@4ax.com...
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:24:08 -0500, Larry Mundinger
<see.below@signature.org> wrote:
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?
/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g7326_BC_MI--ReligiousDiversit&&news&newsflash-mi
chigan
or
http://tinyurl.com/y5sy
As an atheist I am totally OK with this.
I would not be upset if my son went on these trips.
Schools should educate children about these important aspects of
society - you cannot pretend that religion doesnt exist - its a real
part of the world we live in - and an important part.
The people protesting this are simply being stoopid.
They give "atheists" a bad name.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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Agreed, on all accounts. To say "there is no room in public schools for
religion" is just plain stupid. How does one teach history without
mentoining religion?
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"Everyone gather 'round! It's time for pastel-tinted hairy balls with salsa
verde!"
Michael Wolfe
aa #1912
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| User: "turk" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
07 Dec 2003 06:37:58 PM |
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"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
news:p2h7tv4hcr9s2jepb46tm574gvedgu0qg9@4ax.com...
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:24:08 -0500, Larry Mundinger
<see.below@signature.org> wrote:
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?
/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g7326_BC_MI--ReligiousDiversit&&news&newsflash-mi
chigan
or
http://tinyurl.com/y5sy
As an atheist I am totally OK with this.
I would not be upset if my son went on these trips.
Schools should educate children about these important aspects of
society - you cannot pretend that religion doesnt exist - its a real
part of the world we live in - and an important part.
The people protesting this are simply being stoopid.
They give "atheists" a bad name.
I agree. It seems unbiased, although I'd love to see a Buddhist visit in
there. I have no problem whatsoever with youth being exposed to religions
outside their own. Sounds perfectly healthy. As an atheist, I don't
understand the protest at all.
turk
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| User: "Orhan Orgun" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
07 Dec 2003 06:50:21 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:37:58 GMT, "turk" <turk96@_*&^%#^&cast.net>
wrote:
"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
news:p2h7tv4hcr9s2jepb46tm574gvedgu0qg9@4ax.com...
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:24:08 -0500, Larry Mundinger
<see.below@signature.org> wrote:
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?
/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g7326_BC_MI--ReligiousDiversit&&news&newsflash-mi
chigan
or
http://tinyurl.com/y5sy
As an atheist I am totally OK with this.
I would not be upset if my son went on these trips.
Schools should educate children about these important aspects of
society - you cannot pretend that religion doesnt exist - its a real
part of the world we live in - and an important part.
The people protesting this are simply being stoopid.
They give "atheists" a bad name.
I agree. It seems unbiased, although I'd love to see a Buddhist visit in
there. I have no problem whatsoever with youth being exposed to religions
outside their own. Sounds perfectly healthy. As an atheist, I don't
understand the protest at all.
turk
This atheist concurs. In fact, were this to happen at my kids' school,
I might consider volunteering to expose them to some Buddhism,
Shintoism, or whatever is found locally.
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| User: "Sean C" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
07 Dec 2003 08:22:56 PM |
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In article <p2h7tv4hcr9s2jepb46tm574gvedgu0qg9@4ax.com>, Mark
Richardson <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:24:08 -0500, Larry Mundinger
<see.below@signature.org> wrote:
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?/
cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g7326_BC_MI--ReligiousDiversit&&news&newsflash-mich
igan
or
http://tinyurl.com/y5sy
As an atheist I am totally OK with this.
I would not be upset if my son went on these trips.
Schools should educate children about these important aspects of
society - you cannot pretend that religion doesnt exist - its a real
part of the world we live in - and an important part.
The people protesting this are simply being stoopid.
They give "atheists" a bad name.
Mark.
Ditto.
Sean C
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| User: "Michael Nash" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists object to school "religious diversity" program |
07 Dec 2003 10:32:28 PM |
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Mark Richardson <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in
news:p2h7tv4hcr9s2jepb46tm574gvedgu0qg9@4ax.com:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:24:08 -0500, Larry Mundinger
<see.below@signature.org> wrote:
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) -- Students, teachers and administrators are
visiting local religious institutions to learn from Jewish, Catholic
Chaldean, Hindu and Islamic clergy members.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.
ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g7326_BC_MI--
ReligiousDiversit&&news&new
sflash-michigan or
http://tinyurl.com/y5sy
As an atheist I am totally OK with this.
I would not be upset if my son went on these trips.
Schools should educate children about these important aspects of
society - you cannot pretend that religion doesnt exist - its a real
part of the world we live in - and an important part.
The people protesting this are simply being stoopid.
They give "atheists" a bad name.
Well, I also have a problem with the rationale being used by those who
are protesting this, though I wouldn't go so far as to call these
particular atheists stupid. At the same time, though, I do think it's
problematic that they're not including atheist and other nontheistic
groups in this initiative of theirs. I think that nonbelievers deserve
understanding and respect as much as any of the religious groups do, and
need it probably about as bad as any of them.
--
Michael Nash - aa # 1651
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