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Religions > Atheism |
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"Tom P" |
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18 Jul 2005 06:07:43 PM |
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Atheists on Atheism |
Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their atheist
movement.
I just thought that atheists wouldn't mind at all if I quoted and posted
some of the leading atheists in world history. Incidentally, three of the
atheists I quote here became heads of governments during the 20th century,
and actually applied their atheist ideals and goals to the populations of
these modern nation states.
There are lots more where these came from. And even more in the various
"Collected Works" of these world famous atheists. Atheists were never shy
or bashful concerning their objectives. They just came right out and said
it.
I deliberately found a public source for these documents. These quotations
may be reproduced and freely distributed with the only caveat being that
credit must be given for the source, which is the Marxists Internet Archive
at http://www.marxists.org/. I quote from this site at
http://www.marxists.org/: "All material within these Archives, unless noted
otherwise, is public domain. MIA created material is protected by the
Creative Commons License." So please give credit where credit is due if you
repost or reproduce these. Thank you. Happy reading.
"Communism begins from the outset with atheism . . ." (Karl Marx, "Private
Property and Communism" in Marx: Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of
1844: Private Property and Communism." Trans. Martin Mulligan. Moscow:
Progress Publishers, 1959.) Available at: http://www.marxists.org/archive/
"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that
are common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths,
it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on
a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical
experience." Karl Marx and Frederich Engels, "The Manifesto of the
Communist Party," in Marx/Engels, "Selected Works," Volume One. Trans.:
Samuel Moore. Moscow: Progress Publishers, , pp. 98-137. Available at:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/
"The point is, therefore, to be more radical than everybody else as far as
atheism is concerned. Fortunately it is easy enough to be an atheist today."
And then later in the same essay: "This much is sure: the only service that
can be rendered to God today is to declare atheism a compulsory article of
faith and to outdo Bismarck's Kirchenkulturkampf laws by prohibiting
religion generally...." Frederick Engels. "Emigrant Literature II," 1874,
in "Marx and Engels On Religion." trans. Andy Blunden. Moscow: Progress
Publishers, 1957. Available at: http://www.marxists.org/archive/
"The philosophical basis of Marxism, as Marx and Engels repeatedly declared,
is dialectical materialism, which has fully taken over the historical
traditions of eighteenth-century materialism in France and of Feuerbach
(first half of the nineteenth century) in Germany-a materialism which is
absolutely atheistic and positively hostile to all religion." (From V. I.
Lenin, "The Attitude of the Workers' Party to Religion." Originally
published in "Proletary," No. 45, May 13 (26), 1900. Published according to
the text in Proletary. Source: Lenin, "Collected Works." Moscow:
Progress Publishers, 1973, Volume 15, pages 402-413. Available at:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin
"Our Programme is based entirely on the scientific, and moreover the
materialist, world-outlook. An explanation of our Programme, therefore,
necessarily includes an explanation of the true historical and economic
roots of the religious fog. Our propaganda necessarily includes the
propaganda of atheism; the publication of the appropriate scientific
literature, which the autocratic feudal government has hitherto strictly
forbidden and persecuted, must now form one of the fields of our Party
work." V. I. Lenin' "Socialism and Religion," Novaya Zhizn, No. 28,
December 3, 1905. Signed: N. Lenin. Published according to the text in
Novaya Zhizn. Source: Lenin Collected Works, Progress Publishers, 1965,
Moscow, Volume 10, pages 83-87. Available at:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin
"Dialectical materialism is the world outlook of the Marxist-Leninist party.
It is called dialectical materialism because its approach to the phenomena
of nature, its method of studying and apprehending them, is dialectical,
while its interpretation of the phenomena of nature, its conception of these
phenomena, its theory, is materialistic." J. V. Stalin, "Dialectical and
Historical Materialism." September 1938. Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/
"Historical materialism is the extension of the principles of dialectical
materialism to the study of social life, an application of the principles of
dialectical materialism to the phenomena of the life of society, to the
study of society and of its history." J. V. Stalin, "Dialectical and
Historical Materialism." September 1938. Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/
"Contrary to idealism, which denies the possibility of knowing the world and
its laws, which does not believe in the authenticity of our knowledge, does
not recognize objective truth, and holds that the world is full of
'things-in-themselves' that can never be known to science, Marxist
philosophical materialism holds that the world and its laws are fully
knowable, that our knowledge of the laws of nature, tested by experiment and
practice, is authentic knowledge having the validity of objective truth, and
that there are no things in the world which are unknowable, but only things
which are as yet not known, but which will be disclosed and made known by
the efforts of science and practice." J. V. Stalin, "Dialectical and
Historical Materialism." September 1938.
Available at http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/
"The history of science furnishes man with proof of the material nature of
the world and of the fact that it is governed by laws and helps man to see
the futility of the illusions of religion and idealism and to arrive at
materialist conclusions." Mao Zedong, "Dialectical materialism-notes of
lectures"as published in K'ang-chan ta-hsueh, nos. 6 to 8, April to June
1938. Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/.
"Marx, Engels and Lenin all explained materialist dialectics as the theory
of development." Mao Zedong, "Dialectical materialism-notes of lectures"as
published in K'ang-chan ta-hsueh, nos. 6 to 8, April to June 1938.
Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/.
"Dialectical materialism's theory of movement is in opposition first of all
with philosophical idealism and with the theological concepts of religion.
The fundamental nature of all philosophical idealism and religious theology
derives from their denial of the unity and material nature of the world; and
in imagining that the movement and development of the world takes place
apart from matter, or took place at least in the beginning apart from
matter, and is the result of the action of spirit, God, or divine forces."
Mao Zedong, "Dialectical materialism-notes of lectures"as published in
K'ang-chan ta-hsueh, nos. 6 to 8, April to June 1938. Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/.
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| User: "Tom P" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
30 Jul 2005 02:12:21 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <42e7f1af$0$10991$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com> "Tom P"
<t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <5gcde1hqkl4q6ko665rd63upfr3bmhonvk@4ax.com> Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> writes:
"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
"Charles & Mambo Duckman" <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote in message
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Tom P wrote:
No if about it. Atheists did do such things, especially
committed
acts
of
aggressive war and mass murder. Marat was an atheist.
Marat ate bread.
<...>
Is that the best you can do?
Your trite game does not change the fact that atheists are the most
prolific
mass murderers in human history. These mass murderers were also
men,
Eurasian, defecated, drank water, ate fruit, had sex, breathed air,
had
parents, and a veritable plethora of other human characteristics.
That is to say, you are asserting that there are more deaths caused
by
atheist mass murderers, than by theist mass murderers. While this is
subject to data verification, which could be asked of you, it is
not,
as you carefully avoid, to say that their atheism has anything to do
with it. The point is, does, in your opinion, their atheism have
anything to do with it? I think a clear statement of your opinion is
being called for.
<...>
And you also need to control for the fact that all of these murderers
had better weapons, transportation, weapons, intelligence, weapons,
social
organization, weapons, numbers of potential victims, and weapons than
any preceding century could have offered them.
Is mass starvation a new or better weapon? Is working prisoners to
death a
new and better weapon? Tens of millions of victims of atheist regimes
died
of those causes during the 20th century. The atheist mass murderers did
have trains to transport their prisoners, but many died where they
lived.
Although small caliber bullets fired into the back of the neck,
hangings,
burnings, and machine gunnings were also practiced by the atheist
regimes, I
don't see how the technique of the 20th century atheist was much
improved
from that of Richard I. Except the bullets, naturally.
Well, the bullets make for a pretty good start. Give the English
World War I machine guns (and WWI ships) and the Hundred Years War would
have been
much briefer. And bloodier.
That is not knowable. Your conclusion cannot be proven either true or not,
therefore it is merely idle speculation.
However, as I said, the far more effective forms of mass transportation,
advances in communications, and the large-scale social structuring and
control
which such advances in communications and logistics made possible
also made it far easier to turn an entire nation into a terribly
effective war machine.
Upon what basis do you believe there was more social structure during the
20th century than during the 12th?
And let us also not forget my other point: you cannot kill several
hundred million people when that number exceeds the world's population.
True.
If Richard the Lion-Hearted
or the Crusaders had possessed nuclear bombs and the means to deliver
them,
how many would have died in their respective religiously-motivated
wars?
Not as many as you seem to think. For the elegantly simple reason that
there were far fewer people alive to kill. I read where somebody opined
about 2 months ago that Christians killed "hundreds of millions" that
have
never been accounted for. Where would these ephemeral hundreds of
millions
have come from?
Oops. We agree here then.
Besides, the law of war had developed since Richard I. Although ethics
have
not kept up with technology, both have progressed. Since the ability to
build atomic weapons was in fact preceded by various conventions at The
Hague and Geneva that attempted to alleviate the horrors of war and
establish more acceptable means of fighting wars, I think your
presumption
inherent in your last question is invalid. Not to mention unknowable.
Well, I'm confused. You seem to be supporting my contention with a point
I had not even considered: that during the atheistic 20th century we
made at least some attempts at "moral war" which our more religious
predecessors had not?
The mass murders I refer to in this thread are not the result of lawful acts
of war. And certain of the Crusades were what then were considered lawful
and moral wars. I generally don't quibble much over whether the massacres
committed by various Crusaders on various Crusades are not at all
significant when compared to the mass murders of the 20th century. Except
to the victims who were massacred. But it is always a mistake to impose 21st
century standards on centuries past.
The major atheist regimes either did not sign the Hague and Geneva
Conventions on the Law of War, or ignored them in any case. Remember the
axiom of Marx and Engels in the "Communist Manifesto" of 1848? "But
Communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all
morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in
contradiction to all past historical experience." Karl Marx and Frederich
Engels, "The Manifesto of the Communist Party," in Marx/Engels, "Selected
Works," Volume One. Trans: Samuel Moore. Moscow: Progress Publishers,
pp. 98-137. Available at: http://www.marxists.org/archive/
At no point did any atheist regime consider itself bound by the conventions
on war or international law. Besides, atheist regimes during the 20th
century murdered far more of their citizens than were killed in all of the
wars of the 20th century. Even the catastrophic deaths of the two world
wars cannot compare with the total numbers of people mass murdered by the
20th century atheist regimes.
-- cary
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| User: "Matt Beckwith" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
30 Jul 2005 05:49:03 PM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote
...Even the catastrophic deaths of the two world
wars cannot compare with the total numbers of people mass murdered by the
20th century atheist regimes.
This is weird. You're trying to make the point that atheist war wagers are
more vicious than Christian war wagers? Given the atrocities committed
throughout history in the name of Christ, my answer is: Who cares?
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| User: "Tom P" |
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01 Aug 2005 03:57:39 PM |
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"Matt Beckwith" <beckwith@wchsys.org> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote
...Even the catastrophic deaths of the two world
wars cannot compare with the total numbers of people mass murdered by
the
20th century atheist regimes.
This is weird. You're trying to make the point that atheist war wagers
are
more vicious than Christian war wagers?
No. My point is that atheists have controlled the apparatus of a modern
nation state, atheists have proven themselves just as bloodthirsty and
murderous as any theist in human history.
Given the atrocities committed
throughout history in the name of Christ, my answer is: Who cares?
You must. You bothered to expend the effort required to read and reply.
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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01 Aug 2005 04:30:15 PM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
"Matt Beckwith" <beckwith@wchsys.org> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote
...Even the catastrophic deaths of the two world
wars cannot compare with the total numbers of people mass murdered by
the
20th century atheist regimes.
This is weird. You're trying to make the point that atheist war wagers
are
more vicious than Christian war wagers?
No. My point is that atheists have controlled the apparatus of a modern
nation state, atheists have proven themselves just as bloodthirsty and
murderous as any theist in human history.
<...>
However, you belie your own alleged position when you equate
"atheists" with "any theist" in the above. It would be more indicative
that you are trying only to show that theism/atheism is not a factor
in murderousness, so that theists are not more associated with
murderousness, if you said: "My point is that no matter how murderous
any theist has been, there has been an atheist as murderous, and vice
versa." Your claim to neutrality on the matter would be more credible.
Is this what you mean?
Of course, it would become a narrow search, for that most murderous
person, then the argument would begin on whether he was a True
Scotsman.
Jim07D5
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| User: "Tom P" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
06 Aug 2005 02:23:22 PM |
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"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
"Matt Beckwith" <beckwith@wchsys.org> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote
...Even the catastrophic deaths of the two world
wars cannot compare with the total numbers of people mass murdered by
the
20th century atheist regimes.
This is weird. You're trying to make the point that atheist war wagers
are
more vicious than Christian war wagers?
No. My point is that atheists have controlled the apparatus of a modern
nation state, atheists have proven themselves just as bloodthirsty and
murderous as any theist in human history.
<...>
However, you belie your own alleged position when you equate
"atheists" with "any theist" in the above.
My position? Is this following sentence true or false?
When atheists controlled modern nation-states, the regimes controlled by
atheists always committed mass murder.
It would be more indicative
that you are trying only to show that theism/atheism is not a factor
in murderousness,
But I think both have been factors in mass murder. My stand is not
neutrality. How can anyone remain neutral in the face of mass murder? I
condemn both theists and atheists for their heinous and outrageous crimes.
One hand does not was the other.
so that theists are not more associated with
murderousness, if you said: "My point is that no matter how murderous
any theist has been, there has been an atheist as murderous, and vice
versa."
That first phrase in quotes is simply a factual statement. What difference
does one's position make relative to fact?
Your claim to neutrality on the matter would be more credible.
Is this what you mean?
I am not sure, but I don't think so.
Of course, it would become a narrow search, for that most murderous
person, then the argument would begin on whether he was a True
Scotsman.
That, I think, is philosophy taken to absurd and meaningless lengths.
Stalin was a mass murderer. Hitler was a mass murderer. And all the
logical exercises, philosophical ruminations, and application of proofs is
mostly a lot of nonsense.
Jim07D5
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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06 Aug 2005 03:26:55 PM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
"Matt Beckwith" <beckwith@wchsys.org> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote
...Even the catastrophic deaths of the two world
wars cannot compare with the total numbers of people mass murdered by
the
20th century atheist regimes.
This is weird. You're trying to make the point that atheist war wagers
are
more vicious than Christian war wagers?
No. My point is that atheists have controlled the apparatus of a modern
nation state, atheists have proven themselves just as bloodthirsty and
murderous as any theist in human history.
<...>
However, you belie your own alleged position when you equate
"atheists" with "any theist" in the above.
My position? Is this following sentence true or false?
When atheists controlled modern nation-states, the regimes controlled by
atheists always committed mass murder.
I don't know. Have you named every one? In addition to those who were
supported by and adhered to an ideology that was atheistic and seem
not to have committed mass murder, (Castro, for example) there might
well be some crypto-or less "in your face" atheists who have paid
whatever respect to religion was needed. For all I know, Hoover was an
atheist. For all I know, the leaders of France are atheists. For all I
know, Vicente Fox is an atheist. All such would escape your net: If
you go after those modern day leaders who have committed mass murder
and then identify the atheists, you commit the Prosecutor's fallacy.
You leave out all of the atheist leaders who have not committed mass
murder. What is needed is the reverse analysis, and I think that
identifying where such leaders sit on the spectrum is not going to be
easy.
It would be more indicative
that you are trying only to show that theism/atheism is not a factor
in murderousness,
But I think both have been factors in mass murder. My stand is not
neutrality. How can anyone remain neutral in the face of mass murder? I
condemn both theists and atheists for their heinous and outrageous crimes.
One hand does not was the other.
OK.
<...>
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "Tom P" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
07 Aug 2005 02:19:56 PM |
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"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
"Matt Beckwith" <beckwith@wchsys.org> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote
...Even the catastrophic deaths of the two world
wars cannot compare with the total numbers of people mass murdered
by
the
20th century atheist regimes.
This is weird. You're trying to make the point that atheist war
wagers
are
more vicious than Christian war wagers?
No. My point is that atheists have controlled the apparatus of a
modern
nation state, atheists have proven themselves just as bloodthirsty and
murderous as any theist in human history.
<...>
However, you belie your own alleged position when you equate
"atheists" with "any theist" in the above.
My position? Is this following sentence true or false?
When atheists controlled modern nation-states, the regimes controlled by
atheists always committed mass murder.
I don't know. Have you named every one? In addition to those who were
supported by and adhered to an ideology that was atheistic and seem
not to have committed mass murder, (Castro, for example) there might
well be some crypto-or less "in your face" atheists who have paid
whatever respect to religion was needed. For all I know, Hoover was an
atheist. For all I know, the leaders of France are atheists. For all I
know, Vicente Fox is an atheist. All such would escape your net: If
you go after those modern day leaders who have committed mass murder
and then identify the atheists, you commit the Prosecutor's fallacy.
You leave out all of the atheist leaders who have not committed mass
murder. What is needed is the reverse analysis, and I think that
identifying where such leaders sit on the spectrum is not going to be
easy.
OK, I add two words: When publicly avowed atheists controlled modern
nation-states, the regimes controlled by atheists always committed mass
murder. Is that closer to true?
It would be more indicative
that you are trying only to show that theism/atheism is not a factor
in murderousness,
But I think both have been factors in mass murder. My stand is not
neutrality. How can anyone remain neutral in the face of mass murder? I
condemn both theists and atheists for their heinous and outrageous
crimes.
One hand does not was the other.
OK.
<...>
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
09 Aug 2005 05:33:46 PM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
<...>
When atheists controlled modern nation-states, the regimes controlled by
atheists always committed mass murder.
I don't know. Have you named every one? In addition to those who were
supported by and adhered to an ideology that was atheistic and seem
not to have committed mass murder, (Castro, for example) there might
well be some crypto-or less "in your face" atheists who have paid
whatever respect to religion was needed. For all I know, Hoover was an
atheist. For all I know, the leaders of France are atheists. For all I
know, Vicente Fox is an atheist. All such would escape your net: If
you go after those modern day leaders who have committed mass murder
and then identify the atheists, you commit the Prosecutor's fallacy.
You leave out all of the atheist leaders who have not committed mass
murder. What is needed is the reverse analysis, and I think that
identifying where such leaders sit on the spectrum is not going to be
easy.
OK, I add two words: When publicly avowed atheists controlled modern
nation-states, the regimes controlled by atheists always committed mass
murder. Is that closer to true?
I don't know. Has a study been reported?
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "Tom P" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
11 Aug 2005 03:35:24 PM |
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"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
<...>
When atheists controlled modern nation-states, the regimes controlled
by
atheists always committed mass murder.
I don't know. Have you named every one? In addition to those who were
supported by and adhered to an ideology that was atheistic and seem
not to have committed mass murder, (Castro, for example) there might
well be some crypto-or less "in your face" atheists who have paid
whatever respect to religion was needed. For all I know, Hoover was an
atheist. For all I know, the leaders of France are atheists. For all I
know, Vicente Fox is an atheist. All such would escape your net: If
you go after those modern day leaders who have committed mass murder
and then identify the atheists, you commit the Prosecutor's fallacy.
You leave out all of the atheist leaders who have not committed mass
murder. What is needed is the reverse analysis, and I think that
identifying where such leaders sit on the spectrum is not going to be
easy.
OK, I add two words: When publicly avowed atheists controlled modern
nation-states, the regimes controlled by atheists always committed mass
murder. Is that closer to true?
I don't know. Has a study been reported?
Try http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/. Does that qualify as a study?
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
11 Aug 2005 03:29:42 PM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> said:
<...>
When atheists controlled modern nation-states, the regimes controlled
by
atheists always committed mass murder.
I don't know. Have you named every one? In addition to those who were
supported by and adhered to an ideology that was atheistic and seem
not to have committed mass murder, (Castro, for example) there might
well be some crypto-or less "in your face" atheists who have paid
whatever respect to religion was needed. For all I know, Hoover was an
atheist. For all I know, the leaders of France are atheists. For all I
know, Vicente Fox is an atheist. All such would escape your net: If
you go after those modern day leaders who have committed mass murder
and then identify the atheists, you commit the Prosecutor's fallacy.
You leave out all of the atheist leaders who have not committed mass
murder. What is needed is the reverse analysis, and I think that
identifying where such leaders sit on the spectrum is not going to be
easy.
OK, I add two words: When publicly avowed atheists controlled modern
nation-states, the regimes controlled by atheists always committed mass
murder. Is that closer to true?
I don't know. Has a study been reported?
Try http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/. Does that qualify as a study?
--- Jim07D5
I am genuinely interested, because I am interested in how beliefs are
formed -- do they in fact correlate with reported facts? But that is a
general website that does not itself report a study. It has many, many
links. I searched several, and searched them using "atheism" and
"atheist" as search terms. Found no hits. Could you give me something
more specific?
--- Jim07D5
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All of those tyrannical genociders were also men, and being a man is
much more indicative than being an atheist. So I'd say you bear the
burden more than we do, Tom. Shame on you for being of the genocidal
gender !
They were also all amoral idiots, and I'd say you definitely apply
there too.
For more information on the "atheist dictators" myth, see
http://www.graveyardofthegods.org/whyevil/kill.html
Hellbound Alleee
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Listen to the Hellbound Alleee Show at http://www.hellboundalleee.com
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08 Aug 2005 06:02:52 PM |
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"Hellbound Alleee" <afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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All of those tyrannical genociders were also men, and being a man is
much more indicative than being an atheist. So I'd say you bear the
burden more than we do, Tom. Shame on you for being of the genocidal
gender !
They were also all amoral idiots, and I'd say you definitely apply
there too.
For more information on the "atheist dictators" myth, see
http://www.graveyardofthegods.org/whyevil/kill.html
Hellbound Alleee
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Listen to the Hellbound Alleee Show at http://www.hellboundalleee.com
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Are you back? Geez . . . .
What burden? It is a fact that atheists murdered more people in the 20th
century alone than were murdered by all Christians since Christianity began.
Why not broadcast that interesting fact on your show?
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08 Aug 2005 09:49:17 PM |
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It is a fact that men murdered more people in the 20th
century alone than women. Aren't you a man ? (or a lying member of the
distaff gender perhaps ?)
Hellbound Alleee
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"Hellbound Alleee" <afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It is a fact that men murdered more people in the 20th
century alone than women. Aren't you a man ? (or a lying member of the
distaff gender perhaps ?)
But the most prolific mass murderers of the 20th century were men who were
atheists. Being either a man or a woman is a biological imperative and the
individual has no conscious choice in the matter. Unless you wish to argue
that a 6-8 week fetus somehow consciously decides its gender. Do you wish
to take such a position? Atheism is a conscious choice. All atheists are
atheists because of a deliberate and fully conscious decision. Do you
really not understand the difference?
Hellbound Alleee
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Listen to the Hellbound Alleee Show at http://www.hellboundalleee.com
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11 Aug 2005 03:38:37 PM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
news:42fbb241$0$11043$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com:
"Hellbound Alleee" <afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123555757.403705.46930@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
It is a fact that men murdered more people in the 20th
century alone than women. Aren't you a man ? (or a lying member of
the distaff gender perhaps ?)
But the most prolific mass murderers of the 20th century were men who
were atheists. Being either a man or a woman is a biological
imperative and the individual has no conscious choice in the matter.
Atheism is an intellectual imperative. I can no more ignore the evidence
about religious belief than I can ignore the gravity that holds me to
the earth.
Unless you wish to argue that a 6-8 week fetus somehow consciously
decides its gender. Do you wish to take such a position? Atheism is
a conscious choice. All atheists are atheists because of a deliberate
and fully conscious decision. Do you really not understand the
difference?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals
to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals
to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper
that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from
the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing
to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best
for the cause by editing a newspaper."
Robert E. Lee
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
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"Hellbound Alleee" <afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It is a fact that men murdered more people in the 20th
century alone than women. Aren't you a man ? (or a lying member of
the distaff gender perhaps ?)
But the most prolific mass murderers of the 20th century were men who
were atheists. Being either a man or a woman is a biological
imperative and the individual has no conscious choice in the matter.
Atheism is an intellectual imperative.
How so?
I can no more ignore the evidence
about religious belief than I can ignore the gravity that holds me to
the earth.
I doubt that your intellectual imperative is so absolute. But it could be to
you. Your choice.
Unless you wish to argue that a 6-8 week fetus somehow consciously
decides its gender. Do you wish to take such a position? Atheism is
a conscious choice. All atheists are atheists because of a deliberate
and fully conscious decision. Do you really not understand the
difference?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals
to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals
to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper
that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from
the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing
to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best
for the cause by editing a newspaper."
Robert E. Lee
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11 Aug 2005 07:37:58 PM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
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"Hellbound Alleee" <afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123555757.403705.46930@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
It is a fact that men murdered more people in the 20th
century alone than women. Aren't you a man ? (or a lying member of
the distaff gender perhaps ?)
But the most prolific mass murderers of the 20th century were men
who were atheists. Being either a man or a woman is a biological
imperative and the individual has no conscious choice in the
matter.
Atheism is an intellectual imperative.
How so?
It's just not possible for me to choose to believe without evidence,
especially in the light of my experiences with religion in general.
I can no more ignore the evidence
about religious belief than I can ignore the gravity that holds me to
the earth.
I doubt that your intellectual imperative is so absolute. But it could
be to you. Your choice.
Unless you wish to argue that a 6-8 week fetus somehow consciously
decides its gender. Do you wish to take such a position? Atheism
is a conscious choice. All atheists are atheists because of a
deliberate and fully conscious decision. Do you really not
understand the difference?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals
to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals
to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper
that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from
the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing
to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best
for the cause by editing a newspaper."
Robert E. Lee
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals
to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals
to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper
that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from
the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing
to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best
for the cause by editing a newspaper."
Robert E. Lee
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16 Aug 2005 05:56:42 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
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"Hellbound Alleee" <afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It is a fact that men murdered more people in the 20th
century alone than women. Aren't you a man ? (or a lying member of
the distaff gender perhaps ?)
But the most prolific mass murderers of the 20th century were men
who were atheists. Being either a man or a woman is a biological
imperative and the individual has no conscious choice in the
matter.
Atheism is an intellectual imperative.
How so?
It's just not possible for me to choose to believe without evidence,
especially in the light of my experiences with religion in general.
Do you really have evidence that everything in your life and environment is
real and true?
Perhaps I should have asked this first. How do you define evidence?
I can no more ignore the evidence
about religious belief than I can ignore the gravity that holds me to
the earth.
I doubt that your intellectual imperative is so absolute. But it could
be to you. Your choice.
Unless you wish to argue that a 6-8 week fetus somehow consciously
decides its gender. Do you wish to take such a position? Atheism
is a conscious choice. All atheists are atheists because of a
deliberate and fully conscious decision. Do you really not
understand the difference?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals
to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals
to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper
that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from
the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing
to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best
for the cause by editing a newspaper."
Robert E. Lee
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals
to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals
to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper
that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from
the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing
to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best
for the cause by editing a newspaper."
Robert E. Lee
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16 Aug 2005 05:49:18 PM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
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"Hellbound Alleee" <afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote in
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It is a fact that men murdered more people in the 20th
century alone than women. Aren't you a man ? (or a lying member
of the distaff gender perhaps ?)
But the most prolific mass murderers of the 20th century were
men who were atheists. Being either a man or a woman is a
biological imperative and the individual has no conscious choice
in the matter.
Atheism is an intellectual imperative.
How so?
It's just not possible for me to choose to believe without evidence,
especially in the light of my experiences with religion in general.
Do you really have evidence that everything in your life and
environment is real and true?
Do I need it?
Perhaps I should have asked this first. How do you define evidence?
Objectively observable facts that can be shown or demonstrated to other
observers.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The reason a large block of the country doesn’t recall Bush’s speeches
calling for Iraqi liberation is that they simply were not listening.
After all, they had already decided that they knew what Bush “really”
meant, so they ignored what he said."
http://blog.ianhamet.com/index.php/archive/2005/04/15/945/
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17 Aug 2005 03:11:53 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
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"Hellbound Alleee" <afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote in
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It is a fact that men murdered more people in the 20th
century alone than women. Aren't you a man ? (or a lying member
of the distaff gender perhaps ?)
But the most prolific mass murderers of the 20th century were
men who were atheists. Being either a man or a woman is a
biological imperative and the individual has no conscious choice
in the matter.
Atheism is an intellectual imperative.
How so?
It's just not possible for me to choose to believe without evidence,
especially in the light of my experiences with religion in general.
Do you really have evidence that everything in your life and
environment is real and true?
Do I need it?
Well, you said it was impossible for you to believe without evidence.
Perhaps I should have asked this first. How do you define evidence?
Objectively observable facts that can be shown or demonstrated to other
observers.
What does that mean? There are many things in life that are simply not made
up of objective factual information that can be shown to other observers.
And some rather good minds claim that those phenomena not provable by
science are the most important things. And concerning many things that are
factual, most of us must rely upon the testimony of experts because the
method and techniques for proving truth or falsehood are beyond the
understanding of all but experts. To me, that indicates that all of us
accept an awful lot of information on what amounts to little more than faith
in our fellow human beings.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The reason a large block of the country doesn't recall Bush's speeches
calling for Iraqi liberation is that they simply were not listening.
After all, they had already decided that they knew what Bush "really"
meant, so they ignored what he said."
http://blog.ianhamet.com/index.php/archive/2005/04/15/945/
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
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"Hellbound Alleee" <afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote in
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It is a fact that men murdered more people in the 20th
century alone than women. Aren't you a man ? (or a lying
member of the distaff gender perhaps ?)
But the most prolific mass murderers of the 20th century were
men who were atheists. Being either a man or a woman is a
biological imperative and the individual has no conscious
choice in the matter.
Atheism is an intellectual imperative.
How so?
It's just not possible for me to choose to believe without
evidence, especially in the light of my experiences with religion
in general.
Do you really have evidence that everything in your life and
environment is real and true?
Do I need it?
Well, you said it was impossible for you to believe without evidence.
That's not quite what I said.
Perhaps I should have asked this first. How do you define
evidence?
Objectively observable facts that can be shown or demonstrated to
other observers.
What does that mean? There are many things in life that are simply
not made up of objective factual information that can be shown to
other observers.
They're mostly abstract concepts or subjective psychological phenomena.
And some rather good minds claim that those phenomena
not provable by science are the most important things. And concerning
many things that are factual, most of us must rely upon the testimony
of experts because the method and techniques for proving truth or
falsehood are beyond the understanding of all but experts. To me,
that indicates that all of us accept an awful lot of information on
what amounts to little more than faith in our fellow human beings.
At least I have objective, observable evidence that my fellow human
beings exist.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The reason a large block of the country doesn’t recall Bush’s speeches
calling for Iraqi liberation is that they simply were not listening.
After all, they had already decided that they knew what Bush “really”
meant, so they ignored what he said."
http://blog.ianhamet.com/index.php/archive/2005/04/15/945/
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22 Aug 2005 12:52:55 PM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in
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"Hellbound Alleee" <afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote in
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It is a fact that men murdered more people in the 20th
century alone than women. Aren't you a man ? (or a lying
member of the distaff gender perhaps ?)
But the most prolific mass murderers of the 20th century were
men who were atheists. Being either a man or a woman is a
biological imperative and the individual has no conscious
choice in the matter.
Atheism is an intellectual imperative.
How so?
It's just not possible for me to choose to believe without
evidence, especially in the light of my experiences with religion
in general.
Do you really have evidence that everything in your life and
environment is real and true?
Do I need it?
Well, you said it was impossible for you to believe without evidence.
That's not quite what I said.
What did you say? I could have missed it or mistook it.
Perhaps I should have asked this first. How do you define
evidence?
Objectively observable facts that can be shown or demonstrated to
other observers.
What does that mean? There are many things in life that are simply
not made up of objective factual information that can be shown to
other observers.
They're mostly abstract concepts or subjective psychological phenomena.
Yes, the most important of all concepts like justice, love, charity, truth,
and wisdom.
And some rather good minds claim that those phenomena
not provable by science are the most important things. And concerning
many things that are factual, most of us must rely upon the testimony
of experts because the method and techniques for proving truth or
falsehood are beyond the understanding of all but experts. To me,
that indicates that all of us accept an awful lot of information on
what amounts to little more than faith in our fellow human beings.
At least I have objective, observable evidence that my fellow human
beings exist.
As opposed to what?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The reason a large block of the country doesn't recall Bush's speeches
calling for Iraqi liberation is that they simply were not listening.
After all, they had already decided that they knew what Bush "really"
meant, so they ignored what he said."
http://blog.ianhamet.com/index.php/archive/2005/04/15/945/
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01 Aug 2005 05:25:37 PM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote
No. My point is that atheists have controlled the apparatus of a modern
nation state, atheists have proven themselves just as bloodthirsty and
murderous as any theist in human history.
So what? That has nothing to do with the validity of atheism.
Given the atrocities committed
throughout history in the name of Christ, my answer is: Who cares?
You must. You bothered to expend the effort required to read and reply.
That's an intelligent argument. You got me. I'm totally convinced of your
point of view now.
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06 Aug 2005 02:25:11 PM |
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"Matt Beckwith" <beckwith@wchsys.org> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote
No. My point is that atheists have controlled the apparatus of a modern
nation state, atheists have proven themselves just as bloodthirsty and
murderous as any theist in human history.
So what? That has nothing to do with the validity of atheism.
What does that mean? Did I claim somewhere that atheism was not valid?
Given the atrocities committed
throughout history in the name of Christ, my answer is: Who cares?
You must. You bothered to expend the effort required to read and reply.
That's an intelligent argument. You got me. I'm totally convinced of
your
point of view now.
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
01 Aug 2005 08:01:46 PM |
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In episode <42ee8927$0$11078$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Tom P burst
into the room and exclaimed:
"Matt Beckwith" <beckwith@wchsys.org> wrote in message
news:dch04p02fdb@enews2.newsguy.com...
Given the atrocities committed
throughout history in the name of Christ, my answer is: Who cares?
You must. You bothered to expend the effort required to read and reply.
This is among the saddest things I've seen posted on Usenet.
I hope someday you get a life...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
06 Aug 2005 02:26:40 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:lNadneI6Pa1nWHPfRVn-qg@megapath.net...
In episode <42ee8927$0$11078$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Tom P burst
into the room and exclaimed:
"Matt Beckwith" <beckwith@wchsys.org> wrote in message
news:dch04p02fdb@enews2.newsguy.com...
Given the atrocities committed
throughout history in the name of Christ, my answer is: Who cares?
You must. You bothered to expend the effort required to read and reply.
This is among the saddest things I've seen posted on Usenet.
Then why do you bother to read it, much less respond to it?
I hope someday you get a life...
Oh, I have one. A very happy, fulfilling, secure, and comfortable life,
thank you.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
06 Aug 2005 02:24:42 PM |
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In episode <42f50b3d$0$10988$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Tom P burst
into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:lNadneI6Pa1nWHPfRVn-qg@megapath.net...
In episode <42ee8927$0$11078$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Tom P burst
into the room and exclaimed:
"Matt Beckwith" <beckwith@wchsys.org> wrote in message
news:dch04p02fdb@enews2.newsguy.com...
Given the atrocities committed
throughout history in the name of Christ, my answer is: Who cares?
You must. You bothered to expend the effort required to read and
reply.
This is among the saddest things I've seen posted on Usenet.
Then why do you bother to read it, much less respond to it?
Because it's there.
I hope someday you get a life...
Oh, I have one. A very happy, fulfilling, secure, and comfortable life,
thank you.
Then why are posting something so tragically pathetic?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Tom P" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
07 Aug 2005 02:22:13 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:KIednWdGO9Xnk2jfRVn-hQ@megapath.net...
In episode <42f50b3d$0$10988$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Tom P burst
into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:lNadneI6Pa1nWHPfRVn-qg@megapath.net...
In episode <42ee8927$0$11078$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Tom P
burst
into the room and exclaimed:
"Matt Beckwith" <beckwith@wchsys.org> wrote in message
news:dch04p02fdb@enews2.newsguy.com...
Given the atrocities committed
throughout history in the name of Christ, my answer is: Who cares?
You must. You bothered to expend the effort required to read and
reply.
This is among the saddest things I've seen posted on Usenet.
Then why do you bother to read it, much less respond to it?
Because it's there.
I hope someday you get a life...
Oh, I have one. A very happy, fulfilling, secure, and comfortable life,
thank you.
Then why are posting something so tragically pathetic?
Yes, those over 100 million murders by atheists during only 83 years of the
20th century were indeed "so tragically pathetic." I could not have phrased
it better. Thank you.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
08 Aug 2005 09:41:04 AM |
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In episode <42f65bad$0$10997$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Tom P burst
into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:KIednWdGO9Xnk2jfRVn-hQ@megapath.net...
In episode <42f50b3d$0$10988$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Tom P burst
into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:lNadneI6Pa1nWHPfRVn-qg@megapath.net...
In episode <42ee8927$0$11078$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Tom P
burst
into the room and exclaimed:
"Matt Beckwith" <beckwith@wchsys.org> wrote in message
news:dch04p02fdb@enews2.newsguy.com...
Given the atrocities committed
throughout history in the name of Christ, my answer is: Who
cares?
You must. You bothered to expend the effort required to read and
reply.
This is among the saddest things I've seen posted on Usenet.
Then why do you bother to read it, much less respond to it?
Because it's there.
I hope someday you get a life...
Oh, I have one. A very happy, fulfilling, secure, and comfortable
life, thank you.
Then why are posting something so tragically pathetic?
Yes, those over 100 million murders by atheists during only 83 years of
the 20th century were indeed "so tragically pathetic." I could not have
phrased it better. Thank you.
Oh that is just *sad.
You know, there are mental health clinics that will charge on a sliding
scale...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
11 Aug 2005 01:41:38 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 09:41:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <42f65bad$0$10997$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Tom P burst
into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:KIednWdGO9Xnk2jfRVn-hQ@megapath.net...
In episode <42f50b3d$0$10988$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Tom P burst
into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:lNadneI6Pa1nWHPfRVn-qg@megapath.net...
In episode <42ee8927$0$11078$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Tom P
burst
into the room and exclaimed:
"Matt Beckwith" <beckwith@wchsys.org> wrote in message
news:dch04p02fdb@enews2.newsguy.com...
Given the atrocities committed
throughout history in the name of Christ, my answer is: Who
cares?
You must. You bothered to expend the effort required to read and
reply.
This is among the saddest things I've seen posted on Usenet.
Then why do you bother to read it, much less respond to it?
Because it's there.
I hope someday you get a life...
Oh, I have one. A very happy, fulfilling, secure, and comfortable
life, thank you.
Then why are posting something so tragically pathetic?
Yes, those over 100 million murders by atheists during only 83 years of
the 20th century were indeed "so tragically pathetic." I could not have
phrased it better. Thank you.
Oh that is just *sad.
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