| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Tom P" |
| Date: |
18 Jul 2005 06:07:43 PM |
| Object: |
Atheists on Atheism |
Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their atheist
movement.
I just thought that atheists wouldn't mind at all if I quoted and posted
some of the leading atheists in world history. Incidentally, three of the
atheists I quote here became heads of governments during the 20th century,
and actually applied their atheist ideals and goals to the populations of
these modern nation states.
There are lots more where these came from. And even more in the various
"Collected Works" of these world famous atheists. Atheists were never shy
or bashful concerning their objectives. They just came right out and said
it.
I deliberately found a public source for these documents. These quotations
may be reproduced and freely distributed with the only caveat being that
credit must be given for the source, which is the Marxists Internet Archive
at http://www.marxists.org/. I quote from this site at
http://www.marxists.org/: "All material within these Archives, unless noted
otherwise, is public domain. MIA created material is protected by the
Creative Commons License." So please give credit where credit is due if you
repost or reproduce these. Thank you. Happy reading.
"Communism begins from the outset with atheism . . ." (Karl Marx, "Private
Property and Communism" in Marx: Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of
1844: Private Property and Communism." Trans. Martin Mulligan. Moscow:
Progress Publishers, 1959.) Available at: http://www.marxists.org/archive/
"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that
are common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths,
it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on
a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical
experience." Karl Marx and Frederich Engels, "The Manifesto of the
Communist Party," in Marx/Engels, "Selected Works," Volume One. Trans.:
Samuel Moore. Moscow: Progress Publishers, , pp. 98-137. Available at:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/
"The point is, therefore, to be more radical than everybody else as far as
atheism is concerned. Fortunately it is easy enough to be an atheist today."
And then later in the same essay: "This much is sure: the only service that
can be rendered to God today is to declare atheism a compulsory article of
faith and to outdo Bismarck's Kirchenkulturkampf laws by prohibiting
religion generally...." Frederick Engels. "Emigrant Literature II," 1874,
in "Marx and Engels On Religion." trans. Andy Blunden. Moscow: Progress
Publishers, 1957. Available at: http://www.marxists.org/archive/
"The philosophical basis of Marxism, as Marx and Engels repeatedly declared,
is dialectical materialism, which has fully taken over the historical
traditions of eighteenth-century materialism in France and of Feuerbach
(first half of the nineteenth century) in Germany-a materialism which is
absolutely atheistic and positively hostile to all religion." (From V. I.
Lenin, "The Attitude of the Workers' Party to Religion." Originally
published in "Proletary," No. 45, May 13 (26), 1900. Published according to
the text in Proletary. Source: Lenin, "Collected Works." Moscow:
Progress Publishers, 1973, Volume 15, pages 402-413. Available at:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin
"Our Programme is based entirely on the scientific, and moreover the
materialist, world-outlook. An explanation of our Programme, therefore,
necessarily includes an explanation of the true historical and economic
roots of the religious fog. Our propaganda necessarily includes the
propaganda of atheism; the publication of the appropriate scientific
literature, which the autocratic feudal government has hitherto strictly
forbidden and persecuted, must now form one of the fields of our Party
work." V. I. Lenin' "Socialism and Religion," Novaya Zhizn, No. 28,
December 3, 1905. Signed: N. Lenin. Published according to the text in
Novaya Zhizn. Source: Lenin Collected Works, Progress Publishers, 1965,
Moscow, Volume 10, pages 83-87. Available at:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin
"Dialectical materialism is the world outlook of the Marxist-Leninist party.
It is called dialectical materialism because its approach to the phenomena
of nature, its method of studying and apprehending them, is dialectical,
while its interpretation of the phenomena of nature, its conception of these
phenomena, its theory, is materialistic." J. V. Stalin, "Dialectical and
Historical Materialism." September 1938. Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/
"Historical materialism is the extension of the principles of dialectical
materialism to the study of social life, an application of the principles of
dialectical materialism to the phenomena of the life of society, to the
study of society and of its history." J. V. Stalin, "Dialectical and
Historical Materialism." September 1938. Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/
"Contrary to idealism, which denies the possibility of knowing the world and
its laws, which does not believe in the authenticity of our knowledge, does
not recognize objective truth, and holds that the world is full of
'things-in-themselves' that can never be known to science, Marxist
philosophical materialism holds that the world and its laws are fully
knowable, that our knowledge of the laws of nature, tested by experiment and
practice, is authentic knowledge having the validity of objective truth, and
that there are no things in the world which are unknowable, but only things
which are as yet not known, but which will be disclosed and made known by
the efforts of science and practice." J. V. Stalin, "Dialectical and
Historical Materialism." September 1938.
Available at http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/
"The history of science furnishes man with proof of the material nature of
the world and of the fact that it is governed by laws and helps man to see
the futility of the illusions of religion and idealism and to arrive at
materialist conclusions." Mao Zedong, "Dialectical materialism-notes of
lectures"as published in K'ang-chan ta-hsueh, nos. 6 to 8, April to June
1938. Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/.
"Marx, Engels and Lenin all explained materialist dialectics as the theory
of development." Mao Zedong, "Dialectical materialism-notes of lectures"as
published in K'ang-chan ta-hsueh, nos. 6 to 8, April to June 1938.
Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/.
"Dialectical materialism's theory of movement is in opposition first of all
with philosophical idealism and with the theological concepts of religion.
The fundamental nature of all philosophical idealism and religious theology
derives from their denial of the unity and material nature of the world; and
in imagining that the movement and development of the world takes place
apart from matter, or took place at least in the beginning apart from
matter, and is the result of the action of spirit, God, or divine forces."
Mao Zedong, "Dialectical materialism-notes of lectures"as published in
K'ang-chan ta-hsueh, nos. 6 to 8, April to June 1938. Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/.
.
|
|
| User: "Wayne Delia" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 10:56:13 PM |
|
|
Rick wrote:
The world would be a much better place if all those who claim to have a mere
lack of belief in God(s) actually had nothing more than a mere lack of
belief in God(s).
Ironically, the same thing can be said with even more validity for
theism: the world would be a much better place if all those who claim to
have a mere belief in God(s) actually had nothing more than a mere lack
of belief in God(s).
Unfortunately that isn't so, as is especially evident on USENET.
That's because you simply force-fit posts into your favorite agenda, and
you choose to be offended by it. But from the other direction, there are
conservative Christian groups who are attempting to legislate their
particular beliefs into law, all the way up to and including the
"Christian Exodus" movement which is trying to load up South Carolina
with Christians before seceding from the United States. No kidding!
--
Wayne Delia,
Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College
"Don't eat me! I have a wife and kids! Eat them!" (Homer Simpson)
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Hellbound Alleee" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 02:33:51 PM |
|
|
Unlike Christianity, atheism is not a religion. "Atheism" does not
describe me. "Christianity" and all its cruelty and amorality describes
people like you very well.
Hellbound Alleee
.................................................................
Listen to the Hellbound Alleee Show at http://www.hellboundalleee.com
.................................................................
.
|
|
|
| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 02:51:01 PM |
|
|
On 19 Jul 2005 12:33:51 -0700, "Hellbound Alleee"
<afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote:
Unlike Christianity, atheism is not a religion. "Atheism" does not
describe me. "Christianity" and all its cruelty and amorality describes
people like you very well.
Well said. They haven't the courtesy to listen and to grant when we
explain that their stawmen they have invented don't actually describe
us, and what our position actually is. Instead they try to
"prove"their bigoted misrepresentation was correct.
It is a rare theist who can grasp that we see their religion and its
beliefs in much the same way they see Hinduism, Islam etc: simple
somebody else's religion, what they believe etc.
Their premises can no more describe us correctly than eg a Hindu's can
describe Christianity.
And it is an insult that they can't be bothered to get our POV right.
They don't care - but they're going to attack us based on their
strawman anyway.
Hellbound Alleee
................................................................
Listen to the Hellbound Alleee Show at http://www.hellboundalleee.com
................................................................
.
|
|
|
| User: "Rick" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 03:06:40 PM |
|
|
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On 19 Jul 2005 12:33:51 -0700, "Hellbound Alleee"
<afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote:
Unlike Christianity, atheism is not a religion. "Atheism" does not
describe me. "Christianity" and all its cruelty and amorality describes
people like you very well.
Well said. They haven't the courtesy to listen and to grant when we
explain that their stawmen they have invented don't actually describe
us, and what our position actually is. Instead they try to
"prove"their bigoted misrepresentation was correct.
It is a rare theist who can grasp that we see their religion and its
beliefs in much the same way they see Hinduism, Islam etc: simple
somebody else's religion, what they believe etc.
That is certainly true for some atheists. Those are not the atheists I'm
talking about.
Their premises can no more describe us correctly than eg a Hindu's can
describe Christianity.
Premises have absolutely nothing to do with what I'm taliking about.
And it is an insult that they can't be bothered to get our POV right.
Atheists can't even get their own POV right.
They don't care - but they're going to attack us based on their
strawman anyway.
I'm not attacking. Just describing what goes far beyond a mere lack of
belief in God(s).
- Rick
.
|
|
|
| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 03:35:47 PM |
|
|
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:06:40 -0500, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On 19 Jul 2005 12:33:51 -0700, "Hellbound Alleee"
<afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote:
Unlike Christianity, atheism is not a religion. "Atheism" does not
describe me. "Christianity" and all its cruelty and amorality describes
people like you very well.
Well said. They haven't the courtesy to listen and to grant when we
explain that their stawmen they have invented don't actually describe
us, and what our position actually is. Instead they try to
"prove"their bigoted misrepresentation was correct.
It is a rare theist who can grasp that we see their religion and its
beliefs in much the same way they see Hinduism, Islam etc: simple
somebody else's religion, what they believe etc.
That is certainly true for some atheists. Those are not the atheists I'm
talking about.
It's true for the vast majority of atheists.
Their premises can no more describe us correctly than eg a Hindu's can
describe Christianity.
Premises have absolutely nothing to do with what I'm taliking about.
Yes they do - because it's why you get atheists and their atheism
wrong.
It's why you use loaded language like "deny" when we aren't denying
anything.
It's part of the explanation why you got it wrong.
And it is an insult that they can't be bothered to get our POV right.
Atheists can't even get their own POV right.
The kind of lie, that when we react, theists escalate by lying that
this is hostility.
Please don't be such a jerk.
They don't care - but they're going to attack us based on their
strawman anyway.
I'm not attacking. Just describing what goes far beyond a mere lack of
belief in God(s).
And you're ignoring the reason why that misrepresents atheists.
- Rick
.
|
|
|
| User: "Rick" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 06:54:27 PM |
|
|
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:06:40 -0500, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On 19 Jul 2005 12:33:51 -0700, "Hellbound Alleee"
<afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote:
Unlike Christianity, atheism is not a religion. "Atheism" does not
describe me. "Christianity" and all its cruelty and amorality describes
people like you very well.
Well said. They haven't the courtesy to listen and to grant when we
explain that their stawmen they have invented don't actually describe
us, and what our position actually is. Instead they try to
"prove"their bigoted misrepresentation was correct.
It is a rare theist who can grasp that we see their religion and its
beliefs in much the same way they see Hinduism, Islam etc: simple
somebody else's religion, what they believe etc.
That is certainly true for some atheists. Those are not the atheists I'm
talking about.
It's true for the vast majority of atheists.
Where is this vast majority? Certainly not here.
Their premises can no more describe us correctly than eg a Hindu's can
describe Christianity.
Premises have absolutely nothing to do with what I'm taliking about.
Yes they do - because it's why you get atheists and their atheism
wrong.
It's why you use loaded language like "deny" when we aren't denying
anything.
It's part of the explanation why you got it wrong.
And it is an insult that they can't be bothered to get our POV right.
Atheists can't even get their own POV right.
The kind of lie, that when we react, theists escalate by lying that
this is hostility.
<NeenerNeenerNeener>
No, *you're* doing the escalating by lying about me.
</NeenerNeenerNeener>
Please don't be such a jerk.
I'm just telling the truth.
They don't care - but they're going to attack us based on their
strawman anyway.
I'm not attacking. Just describing what goes far beyond a mere lack of
belief in God(s).
And you're ignoring the reason why that misrepresents atheists.
You're ignoring the truth about atheist hostility.
- Rick
.
|
|
|
| User: "Fred Stone" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 07:32:16 PM |
|
|
"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:5_idnY6pmel9D0DfRVn-gw@giganews.com:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:06:40 -0500, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On 19 Jul 2005 12:33:51 -0700, "Hellbound Alleee"
<afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote:
Unlike Christianity, atheism is not a religion. "Atheism" does not
describe me. "Christianity" and all its cruelty and amorality
describes people like you very well.
Well said. They haven't the courtesy to listen and to grant when we
explain that their stawmen they have invented don't actually
describe us, and what our position actually is. Instead they try to
"prove"their bigoted misrepresentation was correct.
It is a rare theist who can grasp that we see their religion and its
beliefs in much the same way they see Hinduism, Islam etc: simple
somebody else's religion, what they believe etc.
That is certainly true for some atheists. Those are not the atheists
I'm talking about.
It's true for the vast majority of atheists.
Where is this vast majority? Certainly not here.
Their premises can no more describe us correctly than eg a Hindu's
can describe Christianity.
Premises have absolutely nothing to do with what I'm taliking about.
Yes they do - because it's why you get atheists and their atheism
wrong.
It's why you use loaded language like "deny" when we aren't denying
anything.
It's part of the explanation why you got it wrong.
And it is an insult that they can't be bothered to get our POV
right.
Atheists can't even get their own POV right.
The kind of lie, that when we react, theists escalate by lying that
this is hostility.
<NeenerNeenerNeener>
No, *you're* doing the escalating by lying about me.
</NeenerNeenerNeener>
Please don't be such a jerk.
I'm just telling the truth.
They don't care - but they're going to attack us based on their
strawman anyway.
I'm not attacking. Just describing what goes far beyond a mere lack
of belief in God(s).
And you're ignoring the reason why that misrepresents atheists.
You're ignoring the truth about atheist hostility.
Whoops, there's that strawman again.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Political correctness is a form of moral and emotional blackmail
whereby if you call a spade a spade you must
a) apologize to the spade,
b) if you live in the US, take a sensitivity training course, or
c) if you live in Old Yurp, you are taken to court for defamation of the
aforementioned spade.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Rick" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 08:15:21 PM |
|
|
Fred Stone wrote in message
<1121819536.415ab08518ef8a7416e6e44cdb29d74e@teranews>...
"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:5_idnY6pmel9D0DfRVn-gw@giganews.com:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:06:40 -0500, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On 19 Jul 2005 12:33:51 -0700, "Hellbound Alleee"
<afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote:
Unlike Christianity, atheism is not a religion. "Atheism" does not
describe me. "Christianity" and all its cruelty and amorality
describes people like you very well.
Well said. They haven't the courtesy to listen and to grant when we
explain that their stawmen they have invented don't actually
describe us, and what our position actually is. Instead they try to
"prove"their bigoted misrepresentation was correct.
It is a rare theist who can grasp that we see their religion and its
beliefs in much the same way they see Hinduism, Islam etc: simple
somebody else's religion, what they believe etc.
That is certainly true for some atheists. Those are not the atheists
I'm talking about.
It's true for the vast majority of atheists.
Where is this vast majority? Certainly not here.
Their premises can no more describe us correctly than eg a Hindu's
can describe Christianity.
Premises have absolutely nothing to do with what I'm taliking about.
Yes they do - because it's why you get atheists and their atheism
wrong.
It's why you use loaded language like "deny" when we aren't denying
anything.
It's part of the explanation why you got it wrong.
And it is an insult that they can't be bothered to get our POV
right.
Atheists can't even get their own POV right.
The kind of lie, that when we react, theists escalate by lying that
this is hostility.
<NeenerNeenerNeener>
No, *you're* doing the escalating by lying about me.
</NeenerNeenerNeener>
Please don't be such a jerk.
I'm just telling the truth.
They don't care - but they're going to attack us based on their
strawman anyway.
I'm not attacking. Just describing what goes far beyond a mere lack
of belief in God(s).
And you're ignoring the reason why that misrepresents atheists.
You're ignoring the truth about atheist hostility.
Whoops, there's that strawman again.
I'm directly addressing the claims that are made about atheists. Claims that
as stated are not supportable by the evidence.
- Rick
.
|
|
|
| User: "Fred Stone" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 09:28:24 PM |
|
|
"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:afOdnZFvVo9KOEDfRVn-jQ@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote in message
<1121819536.415ab08518ef8a7416e6e44cdb29d74e@teranews>...
"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:5_idnY6pmel9D0DfRVn-gw@giganews.com:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:06:40 -0500, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On 19 Jul 2005 12:33:51 -0700, "Hellbound Alleee"
<afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote:
Unlike Christianity, atheism is not a religion. "Atheism" does
not describe me. "Christianity" and all its cruelty and amorality
describes people like you very well.
Well said. They haven't the courtesy to listen and to grant when
we explain that their stawmen they have invented don't actually
describe us, and what our position actually is. Instead they try
to "prove"their bigoted misrepresentation was correct.
It is a rare theist who can grasp that we see their religion and
its beliefs in much the same way they see Hinduism, Islam etc:
simple somebody else's religion, what they believe etc.
That is certainly true for some atheists. Those are not the
atheists I'm talking about.
It's true for the vast majority of atheists.
Where is this vast majority? Certainly not here.
Their premises can no more describe us correctly than eg a Hindu's
can describe Christianity.
Premises have absolutely nothing to do with what I'm taliking
about.
Yes they do - because it's why you get atheists and their atheism
wrong.
It's why you use loaded language like "deny" when we aren't denying
anything.
It's part of the explanation why you got it wrong.
And it is an insult that they can't be bothered to get our POV
right.
Atheists can't even get their own POV right.
The kind of lie, that when we react, theists escalate by lying that
this is hostility.
<NeenerNeenerNeener>
No, *you're* doing the escalating by lying about me.
</NeenerNeenerNeener>
Please don't be such a jerk.
I'm just telling the truth.
They don't care - but they're going to attack us based on their
strawman anyway.
I'm not attacking. Just describing what goes far beyond a mere lack
of belief in God(s).
And you're ignoring the reason why that misrepresents atheists.
You're ignoring the truth about atheist hostility.
Whoops, there's that strawman again.
I'm directly addressing the claims that are made about atheists.
Claims that as stated are not supportable by the evidence.
So you admit that your claims about atheists are not supportable by the
evidence?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Political correctness is a form of moral and emotional blackmail
whereby if you call a spade a spade you must
a) apologize to the spade,
b) if you live in the US, take a sensitivity training course, or
c) if you live in Old Yurp, you are taken to court for defamation of the
aforementioned spade.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 07:28:21 PM |
|
|
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:54:27 -0500, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:06:40 -0500, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On 19 Jul 2005 12:33:51 -0700, "Hellbound Alleee"
<afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> wrote:
Unlike Christianity, atheism is not a religion. "Atheism" does not
describe me. "Christianity" and all its cruelty and amorality describes
people like you very well.
Well said. They haven't the courtesy to listen and to grant when we
explain that their stawmen they have invented don't actually describe
us, and what our position actually is. Instead they try to
"prove"their bigoted misrepresentation was correct.
It is a rare theist who can grasp that we see their religion and its
beliefs in much the same way they see Hinduism, Islam etc: simple
somebody else's religion, what they believe etc.
That is certainly true for some atheists. Those are not the atheists I'm
talking about.
It's true for the vast majority of atheists.
Where is this vast majority? Certainly not here.
Even here. Have the courtesy to accept being corrected when you get
our position wrong.
This newsgroup has been a magnet for the worst kind of theist ever
since it was formed a decade and a half ago.
It is a place where we don't have to put up with their stupidity.
People REACT to the stream of vicious slander that is projected
towards us by those who can't live and let live.
Their premises can no more describe us correctly than eg a Hindu's can
describe Christianity.
Premises have absolutely nothing to do with what I'm taliking about.
Yes they do - because it's why you get atheists and their atheism
wrong.
It's why you use loaded language like "deny" when we aren't denying
anything.
Well?
It's part of the explanation why you got it wrong.
Well?
And it is an insult that they can't be bothered to get our POV right.
Atheists can't even get their own POV right.
The kind of lie, that when we react, theists escalate by lying that
this is hostility.
<NeenerNeenerNeener>
Then you shouldn't have lied?
You have made yourself an example of the kind of gratuitous nastiness
we have come to expect from too many net.Christians who refuse to
accept that all an atheist is, is an INDIVIDUAL (do you know what that
word means?) who isn't theist.
No, *you're* doing the escalating by lying about me.
Why pretend you didn't say "Atheists can't even get their own POV
right"? It's there in black and white just a few lines up.
Hint: that was a lie about atheists, posted to atheists in an atheist
newsgroup.
But then you're a Christian. We have come to expect that kind of
bigoted nastiness from them.
</NeenerNeenerNeener>
Please don't be such a jerk.
I'm just telling the truth.
No, you are lying.
Is it really so hard to grasp that "atheist" is merely a label for
what somebody isn't? AND THAT THIS IS PRETTY WELL ALL ANY ATHEISTS
HAVE IN COMMON?
They don't care - but they're going to attack us based on their
strawman anyway.
I'm not attacking. Just describing what goes far beyond a mere lack of
belief in God(s).
And you're lying again.
You haven't the courtesy to let us be what we actually are, so invent
something.
You imagine that the reaction to Christian slanders and falsehoods
about atheists somehow validates that slander.
When all it is, is the natural human _reaction_.
And you're ignoring the reason why that misrepresents atheists.
You're ignoring the truth about atheist hostility.
And you're lying again.
What you liars pretend is hostility is the natural reaction to the
lies you tell us about ourselves, to our faces.
- Rick
.
|
|
|
| User: "Rick" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 08:14:13 PM |
|
|
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message
<6n5rd1l5srucil3ua19gch2e31a47prcha@4ax.com>...
[snip]
You have made yourself an example of the kind of gratuitous nastiness
we have come to expect from too many net.Christians who refuse to
accept that all an atheist is, is an INDIVIDUAL (do you know what that
word means?) who isn't theist.
I only go by the evidence I see. And I see much hostility and dishonesty
here.
- Rick
.
|
|
|
| User: "Fred Stone" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 09:27:15 PM |
|
|
"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:KtadnUyWSN8MOEDfRVn-vg@giganews.com:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message
<6n5rd1l5srucil3ua19gch2e31a47prcha@4ax.com>...
[snip]
You have made yourself an example of the kind of gratuitous nastiness
we have come to expect from too many net.Christians who refuse to
accept that all an atheist is, is an INDIVIDUAL (do you know what that
word means?) who isn't theist.
I only go by the evidence I see. And I see much hostility and
dishonesty here.
Yes, you're the source of much of it.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Political correctness is a form of moral and emotional blackmail
whereby if you call a spade a spade you must
a) apologize to the spade,
b) if you live in the US, take a sensitivity training course, or
c) if you live in Old Yurp, you are taken to court for defamation of the
aforementioned spade.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 08:16:13 PM |
|
|
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:14:13 -0500, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message
<6n5rd1l5srucil3ua19gch2e31a47prcha@4ax.com>...
[snip]
You have made yourself an example of the kind of gratuitous nastiness
we have come to expect from too many net.Christians who refuse to
accept that all an atheist is, is an INDIVIDUAL (do you know what that
word means?) who isn't theist.
I only go by the evidence I see. And I see much hostility and dishonesty
here.
You see a REACTION, liar.
- Rick
.
|
|
|
| User: "Rick" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
20 Jul 2005 03:44:08 AM |
|
|
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message
<1e9rd116om6hc4s67vgu2e4ol9mojai2pr@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:14:13 -0500, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message
<6n5rd1l5srucil3ua19gch2e31a47prcha@4ax.com>...
[snip]
You have made yourself an example of the kind of gratuitous nastiness
we have come to expect from too many net.Christians who refuse to
accept that all an atheist is, is an INDIVIDUAL (do you know what that
word means?) who isn't theist.
I only go by the evidence I see. And I see much hostility and dishonesty
here.
You see a REACTION, liar.
It's the good ol' PeeWee Herman Dialectic: "But Mommy, he hit me first!"
- Rick
.
|
|
|
| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
20 Jul 2005 06:00:49 AM |
|
|
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:44:08 -0500, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message
<1e9rd116om6hc4s67vgu2e4ol9mojai2pr@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:14:13 -0500, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message
<6n5rd1l5srucil3ua19gch2e31a47prcha@4ax.com>...
[snip]
You have made yourself an example of the kind of gratuitous nastiness
we have come to expect from too many net.Christians who refuse to
accept that all an atheist is, is an INDIVIDUAL (do you know what that
word means?) who isn't theist.
I only go by the evidence I see. And I see much hostility and dishonesty
here.
You see a REACTION, liar.
It's the good ol' PeeWee Herman Dialectic: "But Mommy, he hit me first!"
More nastiness from a theist who still refuses to grant that being
atheist doesn't mean what he likes to imagine.
Whether you like it or not, it's merely what comes round going around,
and NOTHING TO DO WITH NOT BEING THEIST.
Which in spite of your arrogant rudeness is all it takes to be
atheist.
Is it really so hard to grasp the fact that what you imagine we insist
doesn't exist, isn't even part of the atheist paradigm?
Any attempt to describe as though your inside-your-religion
presumptions applied to us will always get it wrong.
Which is hardly rocket science.
It's part of somebody else's irrelevant religious belief, and that's
all.
Would you go into a black bar in eg East LA, and tell them what it
means to them to be black?
Then why do the same here?
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "John Baker" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
22 Jul 2005 02:36:44 PM |
|
|
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:14:13 -0500, "Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message
<6n5rd1l5srucil3ua19gch2e31a47prcha@4ax.com>...
[snip]
You have made yourself an example of the kind of gratuitous nastiness
we have come to expect from too many net.Christians who refuse to
accept that all an atheist is, is an INDIVIDUAL (do you know what that
word means?) who isn't theist.
I only go by the evidence I see. And I see much hostility and dishonesty
here.
Yeah, those fucking Christians are something else, aren't they? <G>
- Rick
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "DanielSan" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 09:57:54 PM |
|
|
Rick wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message
<6n5rd1l5srucil3ua19gch2e31a47prcha@4ax.com>...
[snip]
You have made yourself an example of the kind of gratuitous nastiness
we have come to expect from too many net.Christians who refuse to
accept that all an atheist is, is an INDIVIDUAL (do you know what that
word means?) who isn't theist.
I only go by the evidence I see. And I see much hostility and dishonesty
here.
Yeah, sorry for that, Rick. We get a lot of Christians around these
parts. ;-)
--
****************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
****************************************************
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Wayne Delia" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 11:04:55 PM |
|
|
Rick wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message
<6n5rd1l5srucil3ua19gch2e31a47prcha@4ax.com>...
[snip]
You have made yourself an example of the kind of gratuitous nastiness
we have come to expect from too many net.Christians who refuse to
accept that all an atheist is, is an INDIVIDUAL (do you know what that
word means?) who isn't theist.
I only go by the evidence I see. And I see much hostility and dishonesty
here.
Physician, heal thyself.
--
Wayne Delia,
Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College
"Don't eat me! I have a wife and kids! Eat them!" (Homer Simpson)
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Phÿltêr" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
20 Jul 2005 10:30:54 AM |
|
|
[posted and mailed]
"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> astounded us with:
news:KtadnUyWSN8MOEDfRVn-vg@giganews.com:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message
<6n5rd1l5srucil3ua19gch2e31a47prcha@4ax.com>...
[snip]
You have made yourself an example of the kind of gratuitous nastiness
we have come to expect from too many net.Christians who refuse to
accept that all an atheist is, is an INDIVIDUAL (do you know what that
word means?) who isn't theist.
I only go by the evidence I see. And I see much hostility and dishonesty
here.
- Rick
Yes, yes you do, now *****, *****! You've met an atheist who has no
truck with fuckwit theists, is past logical discussion, past tolerance,
past being polite to them, past everything but revulsion at their arrogance
and stupidity, yours included.
My reply to you suggests that you met the criteria for a generous portion
of focused abuse, seeing as you're approximately the ten millionth customer
to be served up atheism by atheists, and rejected the lesson.
So, believe whatever you want to believe, but your ***** cant remains
the same.
After 2000 years of theist lies, plagiarised from other religions, the
destruction of the Alexandria Library, repository of all the amassed
knowledge and history until 391AD, all the wars and crusades, the dark
ages, the 600 years of the inquisition, the tortures, murders and other
collective *****, the schtick has worn molecule thin, and atheists are
sick and tired of motherfuckers like you telling us what we are, and what
our beliefs are.
So kindly *****, read a few text books on the subject, (bible optional,
it being fiction, badly written, I might add) then come back and tell us we
were wrong, I won't hold my breath.
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
.
|
|
|
| User: "Hellbound Alleee" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
20 Jul 2005 11:03:29 AM |
|
|
Don't waste your time trying to teach the pig to sing.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Phÿltêr" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
21 Jul 2005 05:44:40 AM |
|
|
[posted and mailed]
"Hellbound Alleee" <afrpennycentury@hotmail.com> astounded us with:
news:1121875408.971453.254200@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Don't waste your time trying to teach the pig to sing.
yes, but the stream of invective was cathartic...
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "RainLover" |
|
| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
21 Jul 2005 09:41:58 AM |
|
|
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:30:54 GMT, "Phÿltêr" <phylter@hsotmail.com>
wrote:
[posted and mailed]
"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> astounded us with:
news:KtadnUyWSN8MOEDfRVn-vg@giganews.com:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message
<6n5rd1l5srucil3ua19gch2e31a47prcha@4ax.com>...
[snip]
You have made yourself an example of the kind of gratuitous nastiness
we have come to expect from too many net.Christians who refuse to
accept that all an atheist is, is an INDIVIDUAL (do you know what that
word means?) who isn't theist.
I only go by the evidence I see. And I see much hostility and dishonesty
here.
- Rick
Yes, yes you do, now *****, *****! You've met an atheist who has no
truck with fuckwit theists, is past logical discussion, past tolerance,
past being polite to them, past everything but revulsion at their arrogance
and stupidity, yours included.
My reply to you suggests that you met the criteria for a generous portion
of focused abuse, seeing as you're approximately the ten millionth customer
to be served up atheism by atheists, and rejected the lesson.
So, believe whatever you want to believe, but your ***** cant remains
the same.
After 2000 years of theist lies, plagiarised from other religions, the
destruction of the Alexandria Library, repository of all the amassed
knowledge and history until 391AD, all the wars and crusades, the dark
ages, the 600 years of the inquisition, the tortures, murders and other
collective *****, the schtick has worn molecule thin, and atheists are
sick and tired of motherfuckers like you telling us what we are, and what
our beliefs are.
So kindly *****, read a few text books on the subject, (bible optional,
it being fiction, badly written, I might add) then come back and tell us we
were wrong, I won't hold my breath.
Why don't you take off the kid-gloves and just tell us how you really
feel? I hate when you *****-foot around your point!!!!
:-)
James, Seattle
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Related Articles |
|
|
