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Religions > Atheism |
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"Tom P" |
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18 Jul 2005 06:07:43 PM |
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Atheists on Atheism |
Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their atheist
movement.
I just thought that atheists wouldn't mind at all if I quoted and posted
some of the leading atheists in world history. Incidentally, three of the
atheists I quote here became heads of governments during the 20th century,
and actually applied their atheist ideals and goals to the populations of
these modern nation states.
There are lots more where these came from. And even more in the various
"Collected Works" of these world famous atheists. Atheists were never shy
or bashful concerning their objectives. They just came right out and said
it.
I deliberately found a public source for these documents. These quotations
may be reproduced and freely distributed with the only caveat being that
credit must be given for the source, which is the Marxists Internet Archive
at http://www.marxists.org/. I quote from this site at
http://www.marxists.org/: "All material within these Archives, unless noted
otherwise, is public domain. MIA created material is protected by the
Creative Commons License." So please give credit where credit is due if you
repost or reproduce these. Thank you. Happy reading.
"Communism begins from the outset with atheism . . ." (Karl Marx, "Private
Property and Communism" in Marx: Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of
1844: Private Property and Communism." Trans. Martin Mulligan. Moscow:
Progress Publishers, 1959.) Available at: http://www.marxists.org/archive/
"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that
are common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths,
it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on
a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical
experience." Karl Marx and Frederich Engels, "The Manifesto of the
Communist Party," in Marx/Engels, "Selected Works," Volume One. Trans.:
Samuel Moore. Moscow: Progress Publishers, , pp. 98-137. Available at:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/
"The point is, therefore, to be more radical than everybody else as far as
atheism is concerned. Fortunately it is easy enough to be an atheist today."
And then later in the same essay: "This much is sure: the only service that
can be rendered to God today is to declare atheism a compulsory article of
faith and to outdo Bismarck's Kirchenkulturkampf laws by prohibiting
religion generally...." Frederick Engels. "Emigrant Literature II," 1874,
in "Marx and Engels On Religion." trans. Andy Blunden. Moscow: Progress
Publishers, 1957. Available at: http://www.marxists.org/archive/
"The philosophical basis of Marxism, as Marx and Engels repeatedly declared,
is dialectical materialism, which has fully taken over the historical
traditions of eighteenth-century materialism in France and of Feuerbach
(first half of the nineteenth century) in Germany-a materialism which is
absolutely atheistic and positively hostile to all religion." (From V. I.
Lenin, "The Attitude of the Workers' Party to Religion." Originally
published in "Proletary," No. 45, May 13 (26), 1900. Published according to
the text in Proletary. Source: Lenin, "Collected Works." Moscow:
Progress Publishers, 1973, Volume 15, pages 402-413. Available at:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin
"Our Programme is based entirely on the scientific, and moreover the
materialist, world-outlook. An explanation of our Programme, therefore,
necessarily includes an explanation of the true historical and economic
roots of the religious fog. Our propaganda necessarily includes the
propaganda of atheism; the publication of the appropriate scientific
literature, which the autocratic feudal government has hitherto strictly
forbidden and persecuted, must now form one of the fields of our Party
work." V. I. Lenin' "Socialism and Religion," Novaya Zhizn, No. 28,
December 3, 1905. Signed: N. Lenin. Published according to the text in
Novaya Zhizn. Source: Lenin Collected Works, Progress Publishers, 1965,
Moscow, Volume 10, pages 83-87. Available at:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin
"Dialectical materialism is the world outlook of the Marxist-Leninist party.
It is called dialectical materialism because its approach to the phenomena
of nature, its method of studying and apprehending them, is dialectical,
while its interpretation of the phenomena of nature, its conception of these
phenomena, its theory, is materialistic." J. V. Stalin, "Dialectical and
Historical Materialism." September 1938. Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/
"Historical materialism is the extension of the principles of dialectical
materialism to the study of social life, an application of the principles of
dialectical materialism to the phenomena of the life of society, to the
study of society and of its history." J. V. Stalin, "Dialectical and
Historical Materialism." September 1938. Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/
"Contrary to idealism, which denies the possibility of knowing the world and
its laws, which does not believe in the authenticity of our knowledge, does
not recognize objective truth, and holds that the world is full of
'things-in-themselves' that can never be known to science, Marxist
philosophical materialism holds that the world and its laws are fully
knowable, that our knowledge of the laws of nature, tested by experiment and
practice, is authentic knowledge having the validity of objective truth, and
that there are no things in the world which are unknowable, but only things
which are as yet not known, but which will be disclosed and made known by
the efforts of science and practice." J. V. Stalin, "Dialectical and
Historical Materialism." September 1938.
Available at http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/
"The history of science furnishes man with proof of the material nature of
the world and of the fact that it is governed by laws and helps man to see
the futility of the illusions of religion and idealism and to arrive at
materialist conclusions." Mao Zedong, "Dialectical materialism-notes of
lectures"as published in K'ang-chan ta-hsueh, nos. 6 to 8, April to June
1938. Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/.
"Marx, Engels and Lenin all explained materialist dialectics as the theory
of development." Mao Zedong, "Dialectical materialism-notes of lectures"as
published in K'ang-chan ta-hsueh, nos. 6 to 8, April to June 1938.
Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/.
"Dialectical materialism's theory of movement is in opposition first of all
with philosophical idealism and with the theological concepts of religion.
The fundamental nature of all philosophical idealism and religious theology
derives from their denial of the unity and material nature of the world; and
in imagining that the movement and development of the world takes place
apart from matter, or took place at least in the beginning apart from
matter, and is the result of the action of spirit, God, or divine forces."
Mao Zedong, "Dialectical materialism-notes of lectures"as published in
K'ang-chan ta-hsueh, nos. 6 to 8, April to June 1938. Available at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
20 Jul 2005 07:00:19 AM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> astounded us with:
news:42dc32e2$0$22301$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com:
Following are the words of atheists on atheism
Snipped the strawman's balls off
I don't have a walrus mustache, but I'm an atheist, so does that make me an
A-Stalin-ist? Your logic went downhill from there, fuckface.
Atheism 101, research "humanist". Here's a link...
http://www.humanists.org/hum_def.htm
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "Matt Beckwith" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
24 Jul 2005 06:18:59 PM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote
Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their atheist
movement.
It sounds as if you're saying that, if atheists realized the level of
company they're keeping, they'd wake up and become Christians or something.
Is that about right?
This is an interesting post because it shows a fault in the point of view of
many fundamentalist Christians. They see their religion as protecting them
from the cold, cruel world out there. Then, when they encounter someone who
believes their beliefs are false beliefs, it makes them extremely insecure.
Also, they think that the person who thinks their beliefs are mistaken is
actually part of that cold, cruel world.
For example, I bet a lot of fundamentalist Christians believe that anyone
who is against prayer in school is an un-godly pagan, who doesn't go to
church, doesn't believe in morals, etc, and that if we did not have prayer
in school, then the schools would be a veritable Sodom and Gomorrah for our
children to be corrupted in. When in point of fact, intelligent people who
understand the dangers that state-sponsored religion poses are, if anything,
more moral, more ethical than the Christians themselves. (Of course, many
of them ARE Christians themselves.)
An atheist is not someone who wants the good things of the world to come
crashing down. An atheist is not an anarchist. He's also not a communist.
He's just someone who doesn't believe in your god (whoever your god is).
You don't have to believe in a particular god to be a good person.
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| User: "The Da Clayton Code" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
18 Jul 2005 07:06:09 PM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying to
infer it!!
<plonk>
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| User: "Tom P" |
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18 Jul 2005 09:15:57 PM |
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"The Da Clayton Code" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42dc32e2$0$22301$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing
their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their
atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism
aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying to
infer it!!
My, oh my, such a temper. All I did is quote 5 men who claimed to be
atheists. Do you think they were not atheists? Do you challenge the
accuracy of the quotations?
<plonk>
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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19 Jul 2005 06:18:07 AM |
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Da Clayton Code" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing
their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their
atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism
aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying to
infer it!!
My, oh my, such a temper. All I did is quote 5 men who claimed to be
atheists. Do you think they were not atheists? Do you challenge the
accuracy of the quotations?
Do you even know what atheism is? All it is is a lack of belief in god(s).
That's it.
Why should I give a ***** what another atheist believes outside of what I
just said above?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Tom P" |
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23 Jul 2005 06:01:29 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Da Clayton Code" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing
their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is
the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their
atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism
aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying
to
infer it!!
My, oh my, such a temper. All I did is quote 5 men who claimed to be
atheists. Do you think they were not atheists? Do you challenge the
accuracy of the quotations?
Do you even know what atheism is? All it is is a lack of belief in
god(s).
That's it.
Do you think Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were not atheists?
Why should I give a ***** what another atheist believes outside of what I
just said above?
I don't know. Why should you?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
Has a scientist ever killed anyone for disagreeing? Do a bit of research
before replying. Look up the name Lysenko, to begin with.
Science never killed anyone.
Neither did Christianity. Neither did atheism. Neither did religion.
Christians did burn people for disagreeing. So did adherents to other
religions. And hanged, beheaded, crucified, shot, and starved people to
death.
I know of no case where atheists burned anyone, which is not to say no
atheist ever did burn another human being.. I know of lots of cases where
atheists starved children because the parents of these children disagreed
with the atheists. And I know lots of cases where atheists shot people for
disagreeing with atheists. And I know lots of cases where atheists worked
people to death because they disagreed with the atheists.
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| User: "Wayne Delia" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
24 Jul 2005 09:23:59 AM |
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Tom P wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Da Clayton Code" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
news:42dc433d$0$2871$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing
their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is
the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their
atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism
aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying
to
infer it!!
My, oh my, such a temper. All I did is quote 5 men who claimed to be
atheists. Do you think they were not atheists? Do you challenge the
accuracy of the quotations?
Do you even know what atheism is? All it is is a lack of belief in
god(s).
That's it.
Do you think Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were not atheists?
There's another huge logical fallacy:
1) Some A are B.
2) X is A.
C) Therefore, X is B.
Replacing A with "atheists", B with "communists", and X with "Wayne
Delia", can you see the logical fallacy in arriving at the conclusion?
--
Wayne Delia,
Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College
"Don't eat me! I have a wife and kids! Eat them!" (Homer Simpson)
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| User: "Tom P" |
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25 Jul 2005 02:51:52 PM |
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"Wayne Delia" <> wrote in message
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Tom P wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Da Clayton Code" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing
their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is
the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their
atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism
aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying
to
infer it!!
My, oh my, such a temper. All I did is quote 5 men who claimed to be
atheists. Do you think they were not atheists? Do you challenge the
accuracy of the quotations?
Do you even know what atheism is? All it is is a lack of belief in
god(s).
That's it.
Do you think Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were not atheists?
There's another huge logical fallacy:
How can merely asking a question possibly be a logical fallacy? By the way,
what exactly is the difference between a "huge logical fallacy" and a
logical fallacy? Are there degrees or gradations of fallacy nowadays?
1) Some A are B.
2) X is A.
C) Therefore, X is B.
Replacing A with "atheists", B with "communists", and X with "Wayne
Delia", can you see the logical fallacy in arriving at the conclusion?
I didn't presume the factors (list of names in this case) were variable.
You did. The factors are not variable. Why not try a simple answer to a
simple question instead of trying to impress anyone with your command of
"Critical Thinking" or whatever it is they call introductory logic nowadays?
Never mind. Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were atheists. That's a
fact. And nothing can change that fact.
The last word is yours.
--
Wayne Delia,
Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College
"Don't eat me! I have a wife and kids! Eat them!" (Homer Simpson)
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| User: "Wayne Delia" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
25 Jul 2005 04:58:24 PM |
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Tom P wrote:
"Wayne Delia" <wmd@deliafamily.net> wrote in message
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Tom P wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Da Clayton Code" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
news:42dc433d$0$2871$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing
their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is
the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their
atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism
aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying
to
infer it!!
My, oh my, such a temper. All I did is quote 5 men who claimed to be
atheists. Do you think they were not atheists? Do you challenge the
accuracy of the quotations?
Do you even know what atheism is? All it is is a lack of belief in
god(s).
That's it.
Do you think Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were not atheists?
There's another huge logical fallacy:
How can merely asking a question possibly be a logical fallacy?
Your question implies a conclusion based on an invalid syllogism.
By the way,
what exactly is the difference between a "huge logical fallacy" and a
logical fallacy?
Morons make logical fallacies, but yours are huge.
Are there degrees or gradations of fallacy nowadays?
Yours are pretty darned big.
1) Some A are B.
2) X is A.
C) Therefore, X is B.
Replacing A with "atheists", B with "communists", and X with "Wayne
Delia", can you see the logical fallacy in arriving at the conclusion?
I didn't presume the factors (list of names in this case) were variable.
You did.
Sure. That's a way of describing your argument in order to demonstrate
the illogic.
The factors are not variable.
Right, when I plug actual values into the syllogism. But it's still just
as illogical whether the actual values are there or not.
Why not try a simple answer to a
simple question instead of trying to impress anyone with your command of
"Critical Thinking" or whatever it is they call introductory logic nowadays?
I'm not surprised to learn of your unfamiliarity with introductory logic
terms.
Never mind. Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were atheists. That's a
fact. And nothing can change that fact.
Sure. But you can be corrected on your implication that all atheists
must therefore adhere to the political, economic, and social
proclamations of those five gentlemen. That's all that's happened here,
and you're just the teensiest bit upset that you've been whipped like a
whipped dog that has been whipped.
The last word is yours.
I seriously doubt it, because this is the fourth time you've said to me
that I can have the last word, which renders the first, second, and
third times you claimed it as all lies. And when you later say "The last
word is yours" to me a fifth time, then this instance of it becomes a
lie. Understand?
WMD
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
27 Jul 2005 06:25:10 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:58:24 GMT, Wayne Delia <wmd@deliafamily.net>
wrote:
Tom P wrote:
"Wayne Delia" <wmd@deliafamily.net> wrote in message
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The last word is yours.
I seriously doubt it, because this is the fourth time you've said to me
that I can have the last word, which renders the first, second, and
third times you claimed it as all lies. And when you later say "The last
word is yours" to me a fifth time, then this instance of it becomes a
lie. Understand?
The cowardly cretin does not. That requires more than a single
neuron.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "robpar" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
26 Jul 2005 11:14:57 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:58:24 GMT, Wayne Delia <wmd@deliafamily.net>
wrote:
The last word is yours.
I seriously doubt it, because this is the fourth time you've said to me
that I can have the last word, which renders the first, second, and
third times you claimed it as all lies. And when you later say "The last
word is yours" to me a fifth time, then this instance of it becomes a
lie. Understand?
WMD
Back in 1966 just before my Grandfather married my wife and myself,
he gave me a very good piece of advice. Son you can always have the
last word in any argument with your wife, That word is yes "Dear".
Same principle " the last word is yours"
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
23 Jul 2005 09:00:30 PM |
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Tom P wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Da Clayton Code" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing
their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is
the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their
atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism
aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying
to
infer it!!
My, oh my, such a temper. All I did is quote 5 men who claimed to be
atheists. Do you think they were not atheists? Do you challenge the
accuracy of the quotations?
Do you even know what atheism is? All it is is a lack of belief in
god(s).
That's it.
Do you think Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were not atheists?
They probably were, but it paled in comparison to their
Marxism/Leninism/Communism
Why should I give a ***** what another atheist believes outside of what I
just said above?
I don't know. Why should you?
Why did you bring it up at all, then? What is the purpose of your post?
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Tom P" |
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25 Jul 2005 02:41:29 PM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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Tom P wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Da Clayton Code" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
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"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing
their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is
the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their
atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism
aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying
to
infer it!!
My, oh my, such a temper. All I did is quote 5 men who claimed to be
atheists. Do you think they were not atheists? Do you challenge the
accuracy of the quotations?
Do you even know what atheism is? All it is is a lack of belief in
god(s).
That's it.
Do you think Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were not atheists?
They probably were, but it paled in comparison to their
Marxism/Leninism/Communism
But they claimed or never refuted the statement that their
"Marxism/Leninism/Communism" began with atheism. Marxism, Leninism, and the
communism they theorized about and then implemented was utterly and
absolutely founded upon atheism. They said so. Repeatedly.
So how could their atheism possibly pale "in comparison to their
Marxism/Leninism/Communism" when the later flowed from the former? Atheism
is the absolute precondition to Marxist and Leninist communism; there is no
Marxism or Leninism without atheism.
Why should I give a ***** what another atheist believes outside of what I
just said above?
I don't know. Why should you?
Why did you bring it up at all, then? What is the purpose of your post?
As a reminder that not all atheists were wonderful people. That atheists
did form movements. That a movement composed of atheists did persecute and
murder religious people in their millions. That a movement composed of
atheists did persecute and murder atheist people in their millions. That
atheists have no monopoly on virtue, truth, reason or any other good human
quality. That atheists share the lot of suffering humanity, and despite the
initial and final objective of relieving the suffering of humanity, the
largest movement of atheists in human history turned out to be just as
murderous as all theist predecessor movements. That atheists have proven
themselves just as susceptible to the abuse of power as theists. That
atheists are pretty much like theists in oh so many ways. That much of the
20th century was a battleground between competing ideas, and the longest and
bloodiest war of the 20th century was between the theist West and the
atheist East. That we all share a common humanity, and that necessarily
involves failure and evil. Just as certain Christians and Moslems and other
believers were and are murderous thugs, so too were and are certain atheists
murderous thugs.
The final word is yours.
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Wayne Delia" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
25 Jul 2005 04:51:15 PM |
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Tom P wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:2DCEe.5127$dM3.4608@trnddc04...
Tom P wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3k45r9Fsj4ntU1@individual.net...
"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Da Clayton Code" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
news:42dc433d$0$2871$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42dc32e2$0$22301$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing
their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is
the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their
atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism
aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying
to
infer it!!
My, oh my, such a temper. All I did is quote 5 men who claimed to be
atheists. Do you think they were not atheists? Do you challenge the
accuracy of the quotations?
Do you even know what atheism is? All it is is a lack of belief in
god(s).
That's it.
Do you think Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were not atheists?
They probably were, but it paled in comparison to their
Marxism/Leninism/Communism
But they claimed or never refuted the statement that their
"Marxism/Leninism/Communism" began with atheism. Marxism, Leninism, and the
communism they theorized about and then implemented was utterly and
absolutely founded upon atheism. They said so. Repeatedly.
So how could their atheism possibly pale "in comparison to their
Marxism/Leninism/Communism" when the later flowed from the former? Atheism
is the absolute precondition to Marxist and Leninist communism; there is no
Marxism or Leninism without atheism.
Why should I give a ***** what another atheist believes outside of what I
just said above?
I don't know. Why should you?
Why did you bring it up at all, then? What is the purpose of your post?
As a reminder that not all atheists were wonderful people.
Who the ***** made the claim that all atheists were wonderful people? You
built a strawman argument, and it fell over and knocked YOU down!
<paranoia snipped>
The final word is yours.
If it actually was, you'd find a way to say that phrase a lot less
frequently than you are.
WMD
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
23 Jul 2005 10:22:05 PM |
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In episode <2DCEe.5127$dM3.4608@trnddc04>, DanielSan burst into the room
and exclaimed:
Tom P wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3k45r9Fsj4ntU1@individual.net...
"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42dc5f00$0$22374$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
"The Da Clayton Code" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
news:42dc433d$0$2871$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42dc32e2$0$22301$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing
their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is
the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their
atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism
aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying
to
infer it!!
My, oh my, such a temper. All I did is quote 5 men who claimed to be
atheists. Do you think they were not atheists? Do you challenge the
accuracy of the quotations?
Do you even know what atheism is? All it is is a lack of belief in
god(s).
That's it.
Do you think Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were not atheists?
They probably were, but it paled in comparison to their
Marxism/Leninism/Communism
Why should I give a ***** what another atheist believes outside of what I
just said above?
I don't know. Why should you?
Why did you bring it up at all, then? What is the purpose of your post?
Expect fan dancing...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Rick" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 12:42:55 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote in message <3k45r9Fsj4ntU1@individual.net>...
"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42dc5f00$0$22374$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
"The Da Clayton Code" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
news:42dc433d$0$2871$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42dc32e2$0$22301$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing
their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their
atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism
aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying to
infer it!!
My, oh my, such a temper. All I did is quote 5 men who claimed to be
atheists. Do you think they were not atheists? Do you challenge the
accuracy of the quotations?
Do you even know what atheism is? All it is is a lack of belief in god(s).
That's it.
That's nice in theory, but in reality, atheists - at least most I've
encountered - have an absolute certitude that *God does not exist*, and,
furthermore, that religion is very dangerous. Which brings us back to the
original atheists mentioned by the OP.
Why should I give a ***** what another atheist believes outside of what I
just said above?
That doesn't seem to matter whenever the issue of Hitler's Christianity
comes up.
- Rick
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| User: "Alexander Glover" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 12:51:58 PM |
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It would seem to me that athiests have nothing. They can't believe, that
would would infer faith. God forbid they have faith. That would show
spirituality.
"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:dJmdnRafYPlSpkDfRVn-vg@giganews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote in message <3k45r9Fsj4ntU1@individual.net>...
"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42dc5f00$0$22374$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
"The Da Clayton Code" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
news:42dc433d$0$2871$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42dc32e2$0$22301$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing
their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is
the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their
atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism
aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying
to
infer it!!
My, oh my, such a temper. All I did is quote 5 men who claimed to be
atheists. Do you think they were not atheists? Do you challenge the
accuracy of the quotations?
Do you even know what atheism is? All it is is a lack of belief in
god(s).
That's it.
That's nice in theory, but in reality, atheists - at least most I've
encountered - have an absolute certitude that *God does not exist*, and,
furthermore, that religion is very dangerous. Which brings us back to the
original atheists mentioned by the OP.
Why should I give a ***** what another atheist believes outside of what I
just said above?
That doesn't seem to matter whenever the issue of Hitler's Christianity
comes up.
- Rick
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 12:58:03 PM |
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"Alexander Glover" <alexanderglover@cox.net> wrote in
news:55bDe.112597$gc6.16797@okepread04:
It would seem to me that athiests have nothing. They can't believe,
that would would infer faith. God forbid they have faith. That would
show spirituality.
It doesn't take faith to believe the evidence.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Political correctness is a form of moral and emotional blackmail
whereby if you call a spade a spade you must
a) apologize to the spade,
b) if you live in the US, take a sensitivity training course, or
c) if you live in Old Yurp, you are taken to court for defamation of the
aforementioned spade.
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| User: "Alexander Glover" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 01:25:05 PM |
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Look like you can't see all the evidence. By the way, I like the spade line
below your name. Clever.
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1121795883.0c2b0aaaca0cfc81f27e2ee738f5dfea@teranews...
"Alexander Glover" <alexanderglover@cox.net> wrote in
news:55bDe.112597$gc6.16797@okepread04:
It would seem to me that athiests have nothing. They can't believe,
that would would infer faith. God forbid they have faith. That would
show spirituality.
It doesn't take faith to believe the evidence.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Political correctness is a form of moral and emotional blackmail
whereby if you call a spade a spade you must
a) apologize to the spade,
b) if you live in the US, take a sensitivity training course, or
c) if you live in Old Yurp, you are taken to court for defamation of the
aforementioned spade.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 01:46:17 PM |
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"Alexander Glover" <alexanderglover@cox.net> wrote in
news:8AbDe.112601$gc6.108500@okepread04:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1121795883.0c2b0aaaca0cfc81f27e2ee738f5dfea@teranews...
"Alexander Glover" <alexanderglover@cox.net> wrote in
news:55bDe.112597$gc6.16797@okepread04:
It would seem to me that athiests have nothing. They can't believe,
that would would infer faith. God forbid they have faith. That
would show spirituality.
It doesn't take faith to believe the evidence.
Look like you can't see all the evidence.
What evidence?
By the way, I like the
spade line below your name. Clever.
I stole it from a post on another group.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Political correctness is a form of moral and emotional blackmail
whereby if you call a spade a spade you must
a) apologize to the spade,
b) if you live in the US, take a sensitivity training course, or
c) if you live in Old Yurp, you are taken to court for defamation of the
aforementioned spade.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 01:29:05 PM |
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"Alexander Glover" <alexanderglover@cox.net> wrote in message
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Look like you can't see all the evidence.
Such as?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Milan" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
20 Jul 2005 01:53:31 PM |
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"Alexander Glover" <alexanderglover@cox.net> wrote in message
news:55bDe.112597$gc6.16797@okepread04...
It would seem to me that athiests have nothing. They can't believe, that
would would infer faith. God forbid they have faith. That would show
spirituality.
And what would this "spirituality" thing be?
regards
Milan
"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:dJmdnRafYPlSpkDfRVn-vg@giganews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote in message <3k45r9Fsj4ntU1@individual.net>...
"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Da Clayton Code" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
news:42dc433d$0$2871$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Tom P" <t_h_om_as_p@iyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Following are the words of atheists on atheism; atheists describing
their
atheism; the necessity for their atheism; the fact that atheism is
the
necessary prerequisite of materialism; and the objectives of their
atheist
movement.
Get yourself a second grade education, retard. Atheism and communism
aren't
the same thing and you're making a massive fool of yourself by trying
to
infer it!!
My, oh my, such a temper. All I did is quote 5 men who claimed to be
atheists. Do you think they were not atheists? Do you challenge the
accuracy of the quotations?
Do you even know what atheism is? All it is is a lack of belief in
god(s).
That's it.
That's nice in theory, but in reality, atheists - at least most I've
encountered - have an absolute certitude that *God does not exist*, and,
furthermore, that religion is very dangerous. Which brings us back to
the
original atheists mentioned by the OP.
Why should I give a ***** what another atheist believes outside of what I
just said above?
That doesn't seem to matter whenever the issue of Hitler's Christianity
comes up.
- Rick
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
20 Jul 2005 03:24:28 PM |
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"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3k7kvnFsqfo5U1@individual.net...
"Alexander Glover" <alexanderglover@cox.net> wrote in message
news:55bDe.112597$gc6.16797@okepread04...
It would seem to me that athiests have nothing. They can't believe, that
would would infer faith. God forbid they have faith. That would show
spirituality.
And what would this "spirituality" thing be?
regards
Milan
worshipping god obviously
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| User: "Alexander Glover" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
21 Jul 2005 09:27:23 AM |
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believing that there is something beyond you (god or not).
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
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"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Alexander Glover" <alexanderglover@cox.net> wrote in message
news:55bDe.112597$gc6.16797@okepread04...
It would seem to me that athiests have nothing. They can't believe,
that
would would infer faith. God forbid they have faith. That would show
spirituality.
And what would this "spirituality" thing be?
regards
Milan
worshipping god obviously
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
21 Jul 2005 09:40:59 AM |
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"Alexander Glover" <alexanderglover@cox.net> wrote in message
news:jhODe.116169$gc6.82832@okepread04...
believing that there is something beyond you (god or not).
How about thinking that there might be? Does that make you "spiritual"?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
21 Jul 2005 12:14:39 PM |
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In episode <jhODe.116169$gc6.82832@okepread04>, Alexander Glover burst
into the room and exclaimed:
believing that there is something beyond you (god or not). "kathryn"
Huh. Well, my dogs are beyond me.
(They're over that way)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Wayne Delia" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 10:51:01 PM |
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Alexander Glover wrote:
It would seem to me that athiests have nothing. They can't believe, that
would would infer faith. God forbid they have faith. That would show
spirituality.
It would seem to me that you don't understand atheism. It's not lack of
faith in everything. It's just lack of belief in gods of any kind.
--
Wayne Delia,
Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College
"Don't eat me! I have a wife and kids! Eat them!" (Homer Simpson)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 05:41:37 PM |
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In episode <55bDe.112597$gc6.16797@okepread04>, Alexander Glover burst
into the room and exclaimed:
It would seem to me that athiests have nothing. They can't believe, that
would would infer faith. God forbid they have faith. That would show
spirituality.
Sounds good to me.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Wayne Delia" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
19 Jul 2005 11:01:59 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In episode <55bDe.112597$gc6.16797@okepread04>, Alexander Glover burst
into the room and exclaimed:
It would seem to me that athiests have nothing. They can't believe, that
would would infer faith. God forbid they have faith. That would show
spirituality.
Sounds good to me.
Same here. "Everyone needs something to believe in; I believe I'll have
another beer."
--
Wayne Delia,
Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College
"Don't eat me! I have a wife and kids! Eat them!" (Homer Simpson)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists on Atheism |
20 Jul 2005 06:30:05 PM |
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In episode <X0kDe.9549$YD3.3150@trndny03>, Wayne Delia burst into the room
and exclaimed:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In episode <55bDe.112597$gc6.16797@okepread04>, Alexander Glover burst
into the room and exclaimed:
It would seem to me that athiests have nothing. They can't believe,
that would would infer faith. God forbid they have faith. That would
show spirituality.
Sounds good to me.
Same here. "Everyone needs something to believe in; I believe I'll have
another beer."
Ah, words to live by!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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