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Religions > Atheism |
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"Bear" |
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02 Dec 2005 03:09:15 PM |
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Atheists ought to stand for inquiry and doubt. |
"Atheists ought to stand for inquiry and doubt. They ought to stand for
logic and sound empirical method as the only things capable of sorting true
facts from false, to every reasonable person's satisfaction. They ought to
stand for the humility to admit ignorance, and the wisdom to not assume too
much, as well as the consequent political reality that finding common ground
and negotiating differences is far wiser, and better for all, than
maintaining adamant opposition on matters that do not even warrant an
adamant opinion in the first place. The atheist ought to stand for using
faith as justification for inquiry rather than belief. And the atheist ought
to stand for happiness, and the understanding and accomplishment that are
needed to achieve it. Above all, the atheist ought to stand for being a hero
to himself and his fellow humans, rather than a villain. I believe that when
the reasons for these values are truly understood, any man would hold to
them and keep them, even if god himself appeared and ended all dispute as to
his existence. Indeed, I believe an atheist ought to live her life so she
can say with all sincerity, "even if God's existence were proven, I would
change only my understanding of the facts, and not the values by which I
guide my conduct and thought."" (Richard Carrier; What an Atheist Ought to
Stand For;
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/ought.html)
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn't a choice or act of will - like theism; it's a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists ought to stand for inquiry and doubt. |
02 Dec 2005 04:05:22 PM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> said:
"Atheists ought to ..."
Good luck with that! ;-)
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists ought to stand for inquiry and doubt. |
02 Dec 2005 05:18:52 PM |
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"Jim07D5" wrote
: "Bear" said:
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: >"Atheists ought to ..."
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: Good luck with that! ;-)
Understood.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn't a choice or act of will - like theism; it's a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists ought to stand for inquiry and doubt. |
02 Dec 2005 05:01:00 PM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:EZSdnY1gJeiGJQ3eRVn-iw@comcast.com...
"Atheists ought to stand for inquiry and doubt. They ought to stand for
logic and sound empirical method as the only things capable of sorting
true
facts from false, to every reasonable person's satisfaction. They ought to
stand for the humility to admit ignorance, and the wisdom to not assume
too
much, as well as the consequent political reality that finding common
ground
and negotiating differences is far wiser, and better for all, than
maintaining adamant opposition on matters that do not even warrant an
adamant opinion in the first place. The atheist ought to stand for using
faith as justification for inquiry rather than belief. And the atheist
ought
to stand for happiness, and the understanding and accomplishment that are
needed to achieve it. Above all, the atheist ought to stand for being a
hero
to himself and his fellow humans, rather than a villain. I believe that
when
the reasons for these values are truly understood, any man would hold to
them and keep them, even if god himself appeared and ended all dispute as
to
his existence. Indeed, I believe an atheist ought to live her life so she
can say with all sincerity, "even if God's existence were proven, I would
change only my understanding of the facts, and not the values by which I
guide my conduct and thought."" (Richard Carrier; What an Atheist Ought to
Stand For;
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/ought.html)
Ought? OUGHT??
I know what I *want* them to stand for, but I certainly wouldn't assume the
authority to tell them what they *ought* to stand for.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists ought to stand for inquiry and doubt. |
02 Dec 2005 05:20:09 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "Atheists ought to stand for inquiry and doubt. They ought to stand for
: > logic and sound empirical method as the only things capable of sorting
: > true
: > facts from false, to every reasonable person's satisfaction. They ought
to
: > stand for the humility to admit ignorance, and the wisdom to not assume
: > too
: > much, as well as the consequent political reality that finding common
: > ground
: > and negotiating differences is far wiser, and better for all, than
: > maintaining adamant opposition on matters that do not even warrant an
: > adamant opinion in the first place. The atheist ought to stand for using
: > faith as justification for inquiry rather than belief. And the atheist
: > ought
: > to stand for happiness, and the understanding and accomplishment that
are
: > needed to achieve it. Above all, the atheist ought to stand for being a
: > hero
: > to himself and his fellow humans, rather than a villain. I believe that
: > when
: > the reasons for these values are truly understood, any man would hold to
: > them and keep them, even if god himself appeared and ended all dispute
as
: > to
: > his existence. Indeed, I believe an atheist ought to live her life so
she
: > can say with all sincerity, "even if God's existence were proven, I
would
: > change only my understanding of the facts, and not the values by which I
: > guide my conduct and thought."" (Richard Carrier; What an Atheist Ought
to
: > Stand For;
: > http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/ought.html)
:
: Ought? OUGHT??
:
: I know what I *want* them to stand for, but I certainly wouldn't assume
the
: authority to tell them what they *ought* to stand for.
Take that up with Richard Carrier.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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