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03 Feb 2008 03:07:44 AM |
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Atheists want to control thought |
It's interesting that atheists want to control thought. It upsets
atheists to know that someone out there does not believe what they
believe. In fact, you could be a kind, gentle, caring individual who
goes out of his way to help people, but once an atheist finds out who
you are, he will be angered. Works does not matter, its the thoughts
that count most to atheists. So what you think is important to the
atheist. And of course some atheists were so indignant at people for
what they believed insomuch they decided to take over a whole
countries and institute measures to eradicate those who did not agree
with them.
Now some of you may be angered at what I just wrote. But this idea
came to me as a result of a debate that I had.
I basically gave examples of alcoholics and druggies and gang members
who deserted their disastrous way of life, some who were involved in
killings and death, to a way of helping others to leave their sick
past.
So how did the atheist respond. The atheist stated: "Trading one
delusion for another."
So, for atheists, the fact that there is less crime and less sickness
is irrelevant. It's what people think that matters and not how they
act. So if there were more good people inthe world the atheist would
sit there and think, how miserable life is inspite the fact that his
business isn't being ripped off, that nobody is getting killed by
gangs, and so fourth. "Boy" he thinks, "I am indignant at those who
try to get me saved."
An atheist also has an abstract view of morality. For instance, after
having been told millions of times that the Bible says "put down the
sword", atheists will cite the crusades and the inquisition as
examples of Christianity gone wrong. The problem is, it is obvious
that the Mary worshipping, Pope authority and relict collecting
institution does not match the simplicity of the faith as tought by
the Bible. So when the Pope sought to kill Christians for possession
of Bibles for some reason, to atheists, this was merely an
abstraction. The Pope says he is a Christian so that's all that
matters. But here, again, is where atheism seeks abstractions. There
is no mass killing today as was in the days in the past done by this
Catholic institution. Nobody is going out of their way to kill
atheists. So what happened some thousands of years ago is counted as
a reality of today just because an atheist does not like what a good
person believes. And this inspite of the fact that Catholicism is a
rejection of Biblical authority. "Do not call any one father,"
forbidding people to marry, not listening to Christ when he said "put
down the sword", "lay not up treasure on earth" and I could go on.
Atheists are out to change people's minds. They aren't interested in
changing people's behaviors, just their thoughts. So then if a person
converts to atheism and joined a gang, it's total victory for
atheism.
JM
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists want to control thought |
03 Feb 2008 09:27:20 AM |
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<JM20000000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It's interesting that atheists want to control thought.
Well now; Who has set up actual *institutions* to brainwas . . . I mean
'instruct' others to believe in things unproven and based on completely
unbsubstantiated, evidence-less claims? Which organizations are strenuoulsy
trying to insert their *religious* beliefs into public school classrooms
using the most dishonest, disengenuous, and deceitful of methods? Let me
guess: It's not the atheists.
It upsets
atheists to know that someone out there does not believe what they
believe.
'Upsets'? One of the hallmarks of the atheist is his or her's 'open-mind'.
It 'saddens' more than 'upsets' atheists that individuals of such otherwise
admirable intellectual capacity can't let go of some emotional,
psychological need to believe in concepts which are *clearly* in error. (How
could anyone in their right mind insist that Matthew 27:52-53 is a report of
a truly historical event, for example? And notice that even the 'Christian'
recoils from that one because of its inherent absurdity -- but can be easily
convinced that other, equally absurd, biblical accounts are reports of
actual historical events and not just metaphor used soley for illustrative
purposes.)
In fact, you could be a kind, gentle, caring individual who
goes out of his way to help people, but once an atheist finds out who
you are, he will be angered.
Oh give me a freakin' *break*! Do you want me to puke now or later?
Works does not matter, its the thoughts
that count most to atheists.
What a crock. Most *anyone* will appreciate good 'works' -- depending on
what that 'good' consists of. The evangelical Christian may think they are
performing a good 'work' by invading an atheist/agnostic sanctuary and
rambling about some crucified 1st-century Jew who he or she believes --
without the tiniest bit of credible proof to support it -- helped to create
the cosmos and actually *died* (despite the accepted notion that it is
impossible for a 'God' to actually 'die'.) for 'sins' this purported deity,
along with its supernatural 'Father' created when there was no valid need
nor reason to create them in the first place. How damn silly.
So what you think is important to the
atheist. And of course some atheists were so indignant at people for
what they believed insomuch they decided to take over a whole
countries and institute measures to eradicate those who did not agree
with them.
Cite one example of an out-and-out atheist ordering the extermination of a
group of people soley as a result of their belief in deity. Not 'race', but
religious belief.
Now some of you may be angered at what I just wrote. But this idea
came to me as a result of a debate that I had.
With who? A 'persecuted' Christian? You theists have to realize you
constantly try and push, push, push, push, push, and push even more your
completely unsubstantiated, and thus warrantless beliefs, on others with
wild, unfettered, abandon. But when others push back against your relentless
onslaught, you sob and cry that you all are being 'persecuted'. What a
crock. That's all you hear about is 'God' this and Jesus that -- even from
the candidates running for President. So where is this 'persecution', this
ousting of Christian thoughts and ideas from the public square hiding? In
deep space?
I basically gave examples of alcoholics and druggies and gang members
who deserted their disastrous way of life, some who were involved in
killings and death, to a way of helping others to leave their sick
past.
All well and good. Belief in some sort of a 'higher power' has clearly
demonstrated that it can be a useful tool in reforming those in the
death-grip of those addictions. But does that welcome change in life-style
*prove* deity actually exists, let alone had *any* direct, one-on-one
influence in changing the behavior of those addicts? No. And you will note
that those involved in addiction therapy stress you can make that 'higher
power' whatever you wish it to be; from a door-knob to, in my particular
case, an imaginary, totally make-believe atheist girlfriend named,
'Elizabeth'.
How about that.
So how did the atheist respond. The atheist stated: "Trading one
delusion for another."
So, for atheists, the fact that there is less crime and less sickness
is irrelevant.
Who said that? What has always been charged by the atheists is that there is
no incontravertible, substantiated proof for the existence of deity -- *any*
deity. Using psychology and its 'tools' to help turn addicts into *former*
addicts successfully is beyond dispute. And an 'amen', to that. But to
substitute one addiction, say the addiction to alcohol, for another
addiction, say an addiction to worship and devout adoration to creatures who
not one human being in all of existence has managed to prove actually exist
is hardly something to do cart-wheels over.
It's what people think that matters and not how they
act.
Bull. You've got it all backwards. It's what you *do* that counts, not
necessarily what you think or say.
So if there were more good people inthe world the atheist would
sit there and think, how miserable life is inspite the fact that his
business isn't being ripped off, that nobody is getting killed by
gangs, and so fourth. "Boy" he thinks, "I am indignant at those who
try to get me saved."
Boy have *you* ever encountered the wrong atheist! Those in the 'know'.
Those who are regular visitors and members of this newsgroup are all too
aware what I have been, and *continue* to be subjected to, by some of 'God's
people' out here in Marinette County, Wisconsin. Your face would be twenty
shades of red if you only know what's been done to me on behalf of the
'Lord' in the mind of my sadistic, atheist-hating 'captors'. (Long story,
won't get into it here, but just shameful . . . and sadistically depraved
and deplorable. And solely at the hands of proud, self-professed
'Christians' no less.
An atheist also has an abstract view of morality. For instance, after
having been told millions of times that the Bible says "put down the
sword", atheists will cite the crusades and the inquisition as
examples of Christianity gone wrong.
Let me guess: Those were atheists who ignored the teachings, commands and
directives of Holy Scripture, not 'Christians'.
The problem is, it is obvious
that the Mary worshipping, Pope authority and relict collecting
institution does not match the simplicity of the faith as tought by
the Bible.
Well I suppose that makes Catholics Hindus, Buddhists or some other
non-Christian religious sect. Right?
So when the Pope sought to kill Christians for possession
of Bibles for some reason, to atheists, this was merely an
abstraction.
No. It was just plain goofy. And lethal.
The Pope says he is a Christian so that's all that
matters. But here, again, is where atheism seeks abstractions. There
is no mass killing today as was in the days in the past done by this
Catholic institution.
Oh ye of little faith. Hasn't the history of religious fanaticism taught you
*anything*?
Nobody is going out of their way to kill
atheists.
Uh, I would most strenuously disagree with you on that point.
So what happened some thousands of years ago is counted as
a reality of today just because an atheist does not like what a good
person believes.
A 'good' person would not harbor contempt and disdain, a loathing for nor a
revulsion of the atheist simply because the atheist has found no conclusive
proof for the actual existence of deity. Where's the 'good' in those who
despise atheists soley because the atheist hasn't been provided any real
proof of the existence of a 'God' and has come across many 'proofs' that the
claims of many a theist are patently untrue?
And this inspite of the fact that Catholicism is a
rejection of Biblical authority. "Do not call any one father,"
forbidding people to marry, not listening to Christ when he said "put
down the sword", "lay not up treasure on earth" and I could go on.
Where are the condemnations of slavery? Where is the command to abolish it?
And what about the command to 'love thy neighbor as thyself' and the 'Golden
Rule' in which the Jesus of the gospels asks that one treat others in a
manner that they, themselves, would like to be treated? And then explain the
repugnant religious right attitude and behavior in regards to the atheist.
Explain the visceral dislike for the atheist when his or her only 'crime' is
just one of unbelief.
Atheists are out to change people's minds. They aren't interested in
changing people's behaviors, just their thoughts.
Atheists are constantly striving to learn the truth about our universe and
man's place in it -- primarily using the findings of science to help make
that determination. Scientists don't make up lies, that 'atheists *hate*
'God' when atheists have never ever even believed a 'God' nor any other
deity even exists, to use just one example, about atheists. Nor do they
'lie' about people of faith. Their findings are what has led many people to
conclude what is 'real' about our universe and what is clearly not, is all.
The theologians, on the other hand, have provided us with abstract concepts
rooted firmly in speculation -- with a sprinkling of things we have learned
via the scientific method -- to come to purely speculative conclusions many
individuals take great comfort in. All well and good if kept properly
'checked'. Belief in Santa Claus has its positive side too.
So then if a person
converts to atheism and joined a gang, it's total victory for
atheism.
Whew! Didn't hit a bottle of 'Jesus-Juice' before posting this, did you?
Greywolf
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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03 Feb 2008 05:56:44 AM |
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<JM20000000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:24c78213-5ff3-40d1-8f9b-fc1290b4ab88@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
It's interesting that atheists want to control thought. It upsets
atheists to know that someone out there does not believe what they
believe. In fact, you could be a kind, gentle, caring individual who
goes out of his way to help people, but once an atheist finds out who
you are, he will be angered. Works does not matter, its the thoughts
that count most to atheists. So what you think is important to the
atheist. And of course some atheists were so indignant at people for
what they believed insomuch they decided to take over a whole
countries and institute measures to eradicate those who did not agree
with them.
Now some of you may be angered at what I just wrote. But this idea
came to me as a result of a debate that I had.
We aren't angry at you, nameless, for all your lies
and cowardice. We know that you have a mental
problem. You have failed in alt.atheism so many
times over the the last ten years that the only
explanation for your returning is that you are a
masochist.
I basically gave examples of alcoholics and druggies and gang members
who deserted their disastrous way of life, some who were involved in
killings and death, to a way of helping others to leave their sick
past.
So how did the atheist respond. The atheist stated: "Trading one
delusion for another."
So, for atheists, the fact that there is less crime and less sickness
is irrelevant. It's what people think that matters and not how they
act. So if there were more good people inthe world the atheist would
sit there and think, how miserable life is inspite the fact that his
business isn't being ripped off, that nobody is getting killed by
gangs, and so fourth. "Boy" he thinks, "I am indignant at those who
try to get me saved."
An atheist also has an abstract view of morality. For instance, after
having been told millions of times that the Bible says "put down the
sword", atheists will cite the crusades and the inquisition as
examples of Christianity gone wrong. The problem is, it is obvious
that the Mary worshipping, Pope authority and relict collecting
institution does not match the simplicity of the faith as tought by
the Bible. So when the Pope sought to kill Christians for possession
of Bibles for some reason, to atheists, this was merely an
abstraction. The Pope says he is a Christian so that's all that
matters. But here, again, is where atheism seeks abstractions. There
is no mass killing today as was in the days in the past done by this
Catholic institution. Nobody is going out of their way to kill
atheists. So what happened some thousands of years ago is counted as
a reality of today just because an atheist does not like what a good
person believes. And this inspite of the fact that Catholicism is a
rejection of Biblical authority. "Do not call any one father,"
forbidding people to marry, not listening to Christ when he said "put
down the sword", "lay not up treasure on earth" and I could go on.
Atheists are out to change people's minds. They aren't interested in
changing people's behaviors, just their thoughts. So then if a person
converts to atheism and joined a gang, it's total victory for
atheism.
JM
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| User: "" |
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03 Feb 2008 10:20:07 AM |
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On Feb 3, 3:56=A0am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
<JM20000...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:24c78213-5ff3-40d1-8f9b-fc1290b4ab88@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
It's interesting that atheists want to control thought. It upsets
atheists to know that someone out there does not believe what they
believe. In fact, you could be a kind, gentle, caring individual who
goes out of his way to help people, but once an atheist finds out who
you are, he will be angered. =A0Works does not matter, its the thoughts
that count most to atheists. So what you think is important to the
atheist. And of course some atheists were so indignant at people for
what they believed insomuch they decided to take over a whole
countries and institute measures to eradicate those who did not agree
with them.
Now some of you may be angered at what I just wrote. But this idea
came to me as a result of a debate that I had.
We =A0aren't angry at you, nameless, for all your lies
and cowardice. We know that you have a mental
problem. You have failed in alt.atheism so many
times over the the last ten years that the only
explanation for your returning is that you are a
masochist.
Another auto reply post from Malkin. It would be nice if you could
prove that you came from a pond of aminos. If you could do so you
would actually prove your false contention that I have :failed in
alt.atheism so many times." But you can't and you won't.
JM
PS. You left a huge sig and it's a wonder why Bobbie hasn't condemned
you for it since if I left only three lines or even one line he would
file an abuse claim. My bet is he won't file. That's why atheists
can't be fair judges, and they certainly can't judge the truth
impartially. And just to let you know, you have claimed that Ihave
failed so many times, well, if Bobbie doesn't file a sig complaint, I
win this argument. Atheists can't be impartial and fair. By the way,
I don't want him to file a complaint, I just want him to get high
speed internet and quit pestering me over one or two lines of sig.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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03 Feb 2008 12:14:20 PM |
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wrote:
On Feb 3, 3:56=EF=BF=BDam, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote=
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< > wrote in message
news:24c78213-5ff3-40d1-8f9b-fc1290b4ab88@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com..=
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It's interesting that atheists want to control thought. It upsets
atheists to know that someone out there does not believe what they
believe. In fact, you could be a kind, gentle, caring individual who
goes out of his way to help people, but once an atheist finds out who
you are, he will be angered. =EF=BF=BDWorks does not matter, its the t=
houghts
that count most to atheists. So what you think is important to the
atheist. And of course some atheists were so indignant at people for
what they believed insomuch they decided to take over a whole
countries and institute measures to eradicate those who did not agree
with them.
Now some of you may be angered at what I just wrote. But this idea
came to me as a result of a debate that I had.
We =EF=BF=BDaren't angry at you, nameless, for all your lies
and cowardice. We know that you have a mental
problem. You have failed in alt.atheism so many
times over the the last ten years that the only
explanation for your returning is that you are a
masochist.
Another auto reply post from Malkin. It would be nice if you could
prove that you came from a pond of aminos. If you could do so you
would actually prove your false contention that I have :failed in
alt.atheism so many times." But you can't and you won't.
Nobody has to "prove" you've failed; you've done that yourself.
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| User: "raven1" |
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03 Feb 2008 01:33:40 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 08:20:07 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Feb 3, 3:56 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
<JM20000...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:24c78213-5ff3-40d1-8f9b-fc1290b4ab88@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
It's interesting that atheists want to control thought. It upsets
atheists to know that someone out there does not believe what they
believe. In fact, you could be a kind, gentle, caring individual who
goes out of his way to help people, but once an atheist finds out who
you are, he will be angered. Works does not matter, its the thoughts
that count most to atheists. So what you think is important to the
atheist. And of course some atheists were so indignant at people for
what they believed insomuch they decided to take over a whole
countries and institute measures to eradicate those who did not agree
with them.
Now some of you may be angered at what I just wrote. But this idea
came to me as a result of a debate that I had.
We aren't angry at you, nameless, for all your lies
and cowardice. We know that you have a mental
problem. You have failed in alt.atheism so many
times over the the last ten years that the only
explanation for your returning is that you are a
masochist.
Another auto reply post from Malkin. It would be nice if you could
prove that you came from a pond of aminos.
It would be nice if you stopped attacking strawmen and provided a
shred of evidence to support your own positions.
If you could do so you
would actually prove your false contention that I have :failed in
alt.atheism so many times." But you can't and you won't.
Every post you've ever made to alt.atheism is evidence of it. You
write nonsense, get your ***** solidly handed to you, and repeat ad
nauseam.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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03 Feb 2008 09:01:41 AM |
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*chuckle* Yeah right.
Thanks for demonstrating to any n00bs and fencesitters why all of us agree
that you're a numbnut.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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03 Feb 2008 12:44:29 PM |
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| It's interesting that atheists want to control thought. It upsets
| atheists to know that someone out there does not believe what they
| believe. In fact, you could be a kind, gentle, caring individual who
| goes out of his way to help people, but once an atheist finds out who
| you are, he will be angered. Works does not matter, its the thoughts
| that count most to atheists. So what you think is important to the
| atheist. And of course some atheists were so indignant at people for
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Geez, I've never laughed so hard at a fundy ***** up.
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| User: "Jim07D8" |
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03 Feb 2008 01:24:31 PM |
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said:
<...>
So, for atheists, the fact that there is less crime and less sickness
is irrelevant. It's what people think that matters and not how they
act.
<...>
Baloney, if that were true, Michael Newdow wouldn't qualify as an
atheist. He wants to control how people act in the area of
state-sponsored religion, not what they believe.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E05EFDC133FF932A0575BC0A9649C8B63
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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03 Feb 2008 01:38:30 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:24:31 -0800, in alt.atheism
Jim07D8 <Jim07D8@nospam.net> wrote in
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JM20000000@hotmail.com said:
<...>
So, for atheists, the fact that there is less crime and less sickness
is irrelevant. It's what people think that matters and not how they
act.
<...>
Baloney, if that were true, Michael Newdow wouldn't qualify as an
atheist. He wants to control how people act in the area of
state-sponsored religion, not what they believe.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E05EFDC133FF932A0575BC0A9649C8B63
How did you arrive at that conclusion. Certainly nothing in the article
supports your claim.
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| User: "Sanitys Little Helper" |
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03 Feb 2008 03:25:28 AM |
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wrote in news:24c78213-5ff3-40d1-8f9b-fc1290b4ab88
@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com to alt.atheism on 03 Feb 2008:
It's interesting that
McClueless can't produce evidence that he found Noah's Ark.
--
David Silverman D.B.E.
aa #2208
Lord Mayor of Dis
Lawful copyright holder of the term "Earthquack".
The monkeys are loose in the library again. They're gibbbering something
about "Answers In Genesis".
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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04 Feb 2008 02:30:26 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:25:28 +0100 (CET), "Sanity's Little Helper"
<elvish@noshpam.org> wrote:
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote in news:24c78213-5ff3-40d1-8f9b-fc1290b4ab88
@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com to alt.atheism on 03 Feb 2008:
It's interesting that
McClueless can't produce evidence that he found Noah's Ark.
nameless couldn't find his arse, with his hands tied behind him.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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03 Feb 2008 04:15:25 PM |
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Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote in
news:24c78213-5ff3-40d1-8f9b-fc1290b4ab88
@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com to alt.atheism on 03 Feb 2008:
It's interesting that
McClueless can't produce evidence that he found Noah's Ark.
Or anything resembling a thought that we would like to control.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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03 Feb 2008 06:10:02 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:15:25 -0500, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote in
news:24c78213-5ff3-40d1-8f9b-fc1290b4ab88
@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com to alt.atheism on 03 Feb 2008:
It's interesting that
McClueless can't produce evidence that he found Noah's Ark.
Or anything resembling a thought that we would like to control.
Or even a thought that we *wouldn't* want to control.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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03 Feb 2008 04:35:38 PM |
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wrote in news:24c78213-5ff3-40d1-8f9b-fc1290b4ab88
@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
Subject: Atheists want to control thought
Did I tell you you could post? We want to control that, too.
Oh, and don't breathe. You're carbonizing my air.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
"Whenever preachers appeal to hellfire as a way
of reinforcing injunctions, you can bet they have
failed to make a persuasive moral argument."
- James Carroll (Boston Globe)
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists want to control thought |
03 Feb 2008 05:41:15 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:35:38 GMT, Doc Smartass <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote in news:24c78213-5ff3-40d1-8f9b-fc1290b4ab88
@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
Subject: Atheists want to control thought
Did I tell you you could post? We want to control that, too.
Oh, and don't breathe. You're carbonizing my air.
You presume, then, that he is a life form as we know it?
aa #2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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04 Feb 2008 06:05:33 PM |
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Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote in
news:0ajcq3lnq39cdlh97goa6gvqp85ki6jvvm@4ax.com:
On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:35:38 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote in
news:24c78213-5ff3-40d1-8f9b-fc1290b4ab88
@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
Subject: Atheists want to control thought
Did I tell you you could post? We want to control that, too.
Oh, and don't breathe. You're carbonizing my air.
You presume, then, that he is a life form as we know it?
In some low-grade utterly useless backwater polluted-RNA sort of way,
perhaps. Benefit of the doubt and all that.
I believe he's some sort of *****-based life form.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
"Whenever preachers appeal to hellfire as a way
of reinforcing injunctions, you can bet they have
failed to make a persuasive moral argument."
- James Carroll (Boston Globe)
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists want to control thought |
03 Feb 2008 11:42:09 AM |
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wrote:
<snip >
An atheist also has an abstract view of morality. For instance, after
having been told millions of times that the Bible says "put down the
sword",
<snip>
Is this the same book who's god that kills and kills and kills until Jesus
comes along?
Then Jesus says that he brings a sword,that you should hate your relatives,
and that the old covenant where all the killing was done is still active?
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists want to control thought |
04 Feb 2008 02:34:55 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:42:09 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote:
<snip >
An atheist also has an abstract view of morality. For instance, after
having been told millions of times that the Bible says "put down the
sword",
<snip>
Is this the same book who's god that kills and kills and kills until Jesus
comes along?
And then has Jesus killed.
Then Jesus says that he brings a sword,that you should hate your relatives,
and that the old covenant where all the killing was done is still active?
....And anybody who doesn't like Jesus, should be killed.
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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04 Feb 2008 02:53:04 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:34:55 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:42:09 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote:
<snip >
An atheist also has an abstract view of morality. For instance, after
having been told millions of times that the Bible says "put down the
sword",
<snip>
Is this the same book who's god that kills and kills and kills until Jesus
comes along?
And then has Jesus killed.
Then Jesus says that he brings a sword,that you should hate your relatives,
and that the old covenant where all the killing was done is still active?
...And anybody who doesn't like Jesus, should be killed.
and anybody who sees them killed, should be killed.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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05 Feb 2008 10:42:14 AM |
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:53:04 -0000, AZ Nomad
<aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:34:55 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:42:09 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote:
<snip >
An atheist also has an abstract view of morality. For instance, after
having been told millions of times that the Bible says "put down the
sword",
<snip>
Is this the same book who's god that kills and kills and kills until Jesus
comes along?
And then has Jesus killed.
Then Jesus says that he brings a sword,that you should hate your relatives,
and that the old covenant where all the killing was done is still active?
...And anybody who doesn't like Jesus, should be killed.
and anybody who sees them killed, should be killed.
Can't find that bit, but it fits in with the rest of the mish-mash of
crap.
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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05 Feb 2008 11:48:54 AM |
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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:42:14 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:53:04 -0000, AZ Nomad
<aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:34:55 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:42:09 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote:
<snip >
An atheist also has an abstract view of morality. For instance, after
having been told millions of times that the Bible says "put down the
sword",
<snip>
Is this the same book who's god that kills and kills and kills until Jesus
comes along?
And then has Jesus killed.
Then Jesus says that he brings a sword,that you should hate your relatives,
and that the old covenant where all the killing was done is still active?
...And anybody who doesn't like Jesus, should be killed.
and anybody who sees them killed, should be killed.
Can't find that bit, but it fits in with the rest of the mish-mash of
crap.
The people who might have written that part down were killed.
Now I'm going to have to kill you.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists want to control thought |
05 Feb 2008 01:59:19 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:48:54 -0000, AZ Nomad
<aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:42:14 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:53:04 -0000, AZ Nomad
<aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:34:55 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:42:09 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote:
<snip >
An atheist also has an abstract view of morality. For instance, after
having been told millions of times that the Bible says "put down the
sword",
<snip>
Is this the same book who's god that kills and kills and kills until Jesus
comes along?
And then has Jesus killed.
Then Jesus says that he brings a sword,that you should hate your relatives,
and that the old covenant where all the killing was done is still active?
...And anybody who doesn't like Jesus, should be killed.
and anybody who sees them killed, should be killed.
Can't find that bit, but it fits in with the rest of the mish-mash of
crap.
The people who might have written that part down were killed.
Now I'm going to have to kill you.
Ah well, if you have to, you have to, but would it be all right if I
sing one last song, before you off, me?
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists want to control thought |
05 Feb 2008 06:35:20 PM |
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:5sfhq3dfhvgsl4kl9qeh078d1mvki0ne8u@4ax.com...
On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:48:54 -0000, AZ Nomad
<aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:42:14 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:53:04 -0000, AZ Nomad
<aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:34:55 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:42:09 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote:
<snip >
An atheist also has an abstract view of morality. For instance,
after
having been told millions of times that the Bible says "put down the
sword",
<snip>
Is this the same book who's god that kills and kills and kills until
Jesus
comes along?
And then has Jesus killed.
Then Jesus says that he brings a sword,that you should hate your
relatives,
and that the old covenant where all the killing was done is still
active?
...And anybody who doesn't like Jesus, should be killed.
and anybody who sees them killed, should be killed.
Can't find that bit, but it fits in with the rest of the mish-mash of
crap.
The people who might have written that part down were killed.
Now I'm going to have to kill you.
Ah well, if you have to, you have to, but would it be all right if I
sing one last song, before you off, me?
Would that be "There are 999,999,999 green bottles standing on a wall"?
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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03 Feb 2008 12:28:45 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:42:09 GMT, Mike Painter <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote:
<snip >
An atheist also has an abstract view of morality. For instance, after
having been told millions of times that the Bible says "put down the
sword",
<snip>
Is this the same book who's god that kills and kills and kills until Jesus
comes along?
Then Jesus says that he brings a sword,that you should hate your relatives,
and that the old covenant where all the killing was done is still active?
Don't you believe in results? Just look at the two millenia of christians
living in peace.
snort.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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03 Feb 2008 12:12:40 PM |
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wrote:
It's interesting that atheists want to control thought.
Did someone tell you that lie, or did you make it up yourself? Either
way, thanks for putting it right there in your first sentence; saved
me some time.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists want to control thought |
03 Feb 2008 03:30:47 AM |
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On 3 Feb., 10:07, wrote:
It's interesting that atheists want to control thought.
Really?!? Ever heard of "live and let live"? That's what atheists
preach.
Why do you lie all the time?
Is "lying" considered by your "mind-controlling" sect?
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| User: "sleepykit" |
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04 Feb 2008 01:24:08 PM |
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On Feb 3, 2:07 am, wrote:
It's interesting that atheists want to control thought.
No, as an atheist, what I want is to be left in peace! No people at
the door with booklets and promises of everlasting damnation. What I
want is to see everyone, including the religiously-inclined to apply
some common sense to life, to live and let live. What's so wrong with
not wanting your morals--and your brand of insanity--shoved down my
throat? No I want no control over anyone else, but I do want to be
allowed to live my life as I choose it.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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04 Feb 2008 01:56:38 PM |
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On Feb 4, 2:24=A0pm, sleepykit <sleepy...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 3, 2:07 am, wrote:
It's interesting that atheists want to control thought.
No, as an atheist, what I want is to be left in peace! No people at
the door with booklets and promises of everlasting damnation. What I
want is to see everyone, including the religiously-inclined to apply
some common sense to life, to live and let live. What's so wrong with
not wanting your morals--and your brand of insanity--shoved down my
throat? No I want no control over anyone else, but I do want to be
allowed to live my life as I choose it.
You are not submitting to their imaginary deity, not falling prostrate
before their fables, not abiding by their arbitrary rules...therfore
you are guilty of the ultimate sin....knowing better.
Hatter
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| User: "sleepykit" |
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04 Feb 2008 06:08:15 PM |
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On Feb 4, 12:56 pm, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 4, 2:24 pm, sleepykit <sleepy...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 3, 2:07 am, wrote:
It's interesting that atheists want to control thought.
No, as an atheist, what I want is to be left in peace! No people at
the door with booklets and promises of everlasting damnation. What I
want is to see everyone, including the religiously-inclined to apply
some common sense to life, to live and let live. What's so wrong with
not wanting your morals--and your brand of insanity--shoved down my
throat? No I want no control over anyone else, but I do want to be
allowed to live my life as I choose it.
You are not submitting to their imaginary deity, not falling prostrate
before their fables, not abiding by their arbitrary rules...therfore
you are guilty of the ultimate sin....knowing better.
Hatter
I knew there was a flaw in my plan...
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| User: "SkyEyes" |
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03 Feb 2008 11:24:32 AM |
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On Feb 3, 2:07=A0am, wrote:
It's interesting that atheists want to control thought. It upsets
atheists to know that someone out there does not believe what they
believe. In fact, you could be a kind, gentle, caring individual who
goes out of his way to help people, but once an atheist finds out who
you are, he will be angered. =A0Works does not matter, its the thoughts
that count most to atheists. So what you think is important to the
atheist. And of course some atheists were so indignant at people for
what they believed insomuch they decided to take over a whole
countries and institute measures to eradicate those who did not agree
with them.
Now some of you may be angered at what I just wrote. But this idea
came to me as a result of a debate that I had.
I basically gave examples of alcoholics and druggies and gang members
who deserted their disastrous way of life, some who were involved in
killings and death, to a way of helping others to leave their sick
past.
So how did the atheist respond. =A0The atheist stated: =A0"Trading one
delusion for another."
So, for atheists, the fact that there is less crime and less sickness
is irrelevant. It's what people think that matters and not how they
act. So if there were more good people inthe world the atheist would
sit there and think, how miserable life is inspite the fact that his
business isn't being ripped off, that nobody is getting killed by
gangs, and so fourth. "Boy" he thinks, "I am indignant at those who
try to get me saved."
An atheist also has an abstract view of morality. For instance, after
having been told millions of times that the Bible says "put down the
sword", =A0atheists will cite the crusades and the inquisition as
examples of Christianity gone wrong. The problem is, it is obvious
that the Mary worshipping, Pope authority and relict collecting
institution does not match the simplicity of the faith as tought by
the Bible. So when the Pope sought to kill Christians for possession
of Bibles for some reason, to atheists, this was merely an
abstraction. =A0The Pope says he is a Christian so that's all that
matters. =A0But here, again, is where atheism seeks abstractions. =A0There=
is no mass killing today as was in the days in the past done by this
Catholic institution. =A0Nobody is going out of their way to kill
atheists. =A0So what happened some thousands of years ago is counted as
a reality of today just because an atheist does not like what a good
person believes. And this inspite of the fact that Catholicism is a
rejection of Biblical authority. "Do not call any one father,"
forbidding people to marry, not listening to Christ when he said "put
down the sword", =A0"lay not up treasure on earth" and I could go on.
Atheists are out to change people's minds. =A0They aren't interested in
changing people's behaviors, just their thoughts. So then if a person
converts to atheism and joined a gang, it's total victory for
atheism.
JM
For those of you taking Psych 101 this semester, this is called
"projection."
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
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