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10 Oct 2006 10:54:21 PM |
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Atheists with kids, I have a question. |
Have you ever had a parent disallow their kids to play with your kids?
I have a two year old and I wonder if this will happen someday as she
gets to an age where she begins to make friends.
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11 Oct 2006 12:09:51 AM |
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"Zooropa" <Zooropa.Lady@gmail.com> said:
Have you ever had a parent disallow their kids to play with your kids?
I have a two year old and I wonder if this will happen someday as she
gets to an age where she begins to make friends.
I suggest you get involved in a humanist or even unitarian
organization and discuss this issue with them. Surely there are people
with experiences to share. I for one would not be surprised to have
her go through a semi-theistic period. My own daughter, now grown,
developed a spirituality that is independent of religion, which I
deeply respect, but do not quite understand. ;-)
Check out:
http://www.americanhumanist.org/chapters/
http://www.uua.org/CONG/index.php
-- Jim07D6
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11 Oct 2006 12:27:32 AM |
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Jim07D6 wrote:
"Zooropa" <Zooropa.Lady@gmail.com> said:
Have you ever had a parent disallow their kids to play with your kids?
I have a two year old and I wonder if this will happen someday as she
gets to an age where she begins to make friends.
I suggest you get involved in a humanist or even unitarian
organization and discuss this issue with them. Surely there are people
with experiences to share. I for one would not be surprised to have
her go through a semi-theistic period. My own daughter, now grown,
developed a spirituality that is independent of religion, which I
deeply respect, but do not quite understand. ;-)
Check out:
http://www.americanhumanist.org/chapters/
http://www.uua.org/CONG/index.php
-- Jim07D6
Thanks...I will check those out. Does it bother you at all that she has
a "spiritual" side?
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| User: "Jim07D6" |
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11 Oct 2006 03:41:45 PM |
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"Zooropa" <Zooropa.Lady@gmail.com> said:
Jim07D6 wrote:
"Zooropa" <Zooropa.Lady@gmail.com> said:
Have you ever had a parent disallow their kids to play with your kids?
I have a two year old and I wonder if this will happen someday as she
gets to an age where she begins to make friends.
I suggest you get involved in a humanist or even unitarian
organization and discuss this issue with them. Surely there are people
with experiences to share. I for one would not be surprised to have
her go through a semi-theistic period. My own daughter, now grown,
developed a spirituality that is independent of religion, which I
deeply respect, but do not quite understand. ;-)
Check out:
http://www.americanhumanist.org/chapters/
http://www.uua.org/CONG/index.php
-- Jim07D6
Thanks...I will check those out. Does it bother you at all that she has
a "spiritual" side?
No. My view of her is based on what she does, not how she believes.
-- Jim07D6
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| User: "Liz" |
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12 Oct 2006 01:02:41 AM |
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:41:45 GMT, Jim07D6 <Jim07D6@nospam.net> in news
message <f44qi2h2q5tgdhg8jqi3o6sal9kev651nb@4ax.com> wrote:
"Zooropa" <Zooropa.Lady@gmail.com> said:
Does it bother you at all that she has
a "spiritual" side?
No. My view of her is based on what she does, not how she believes.
Ah, it would be wonderful if everyone would use that criterium.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Liz, you like most people do not want to have faith in
things which have no basis in reality. -- josalt
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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11 Oct 2006 11:00:13 AM |
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Zooropa wrote:
Jim07D6 wrote:
"Zooropa" <Zooropa.Lady@gmail.com> said:
Have you ever had a parent disallow their kids to play with your kids?
I have a two year old and I wonder if this will happen someday as she
gets to an age where she begins to make friends.
I suggest you get involved in a humanist or even unitarian
organization and discuss this issue with them. Surely there are people
with experiences to share. I for one would not be surprised to have
her go through a semi-theistic period. My own daughter, now grown,
developed a spirituality that is independent of religion, which I
deeply respect, but do not quite understand. ;-)
Check out:
http://www.americanhumanist.org/chapters/
http://www.uua.org/CONG/index.php
-- Jim07D6
Thanks...I will check those out. Does it bother you at all that she has
a "spiritual" side?
I have no clue what "having a spiritual side" means. Can anybody explain it?
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "Mark D J. Mark D" |
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11 Oct 2006 01:56:09 PM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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I have no clue what "having a spiritual side" means. Can anybody explain
it?
What it seems to be is a tendency to indulge a fondness for anti-rational
passivity by pretending that nice feelings about an objective universe are
really objective feelings about a nice universe.
That's the best I can do.
M.
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11 Oct 2006 03:56:52 PM |
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"Mark D J." <Mark D J.@hoyme.com> said:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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I have no clue what "having a spiritual side" means. Can anybody explain
it?
What it seems to be is a tendency to indulge a fondness for anti-rational
passivity by pretending that nice feelings about an objective universe are
really objective feelings about a nice universe.
That's the best I can do.
M.
Ambrose Bierce would approve of that definition. ;-)
-- Jim07D6
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| User: "Liz" |
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12 Oct 2006 12:57:03 AM |
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:56:09 GMT, "Mark D J." <Mark D J.@hoyme.com> in
news message <ZJ6Xg.14086$L.767@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net> wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4p4164FgvcnkU2@
I have no clue what "having a spiritual side" means. Can anybody explain
it?
What it seems to be is a tendency to indulge a fondness for anti-rational
passivity by pretending that nice feelings about an objective universe are
really objective feelings about a nice universe.
That's the best I can do.
I call .sig!
Liz #658 BAAWA
What [spirituality] seems to be is a tendency to indulge a fondness for anti-rational
passivity by pretending that nice feelings about an objective universe are
really objective feelings about a nice universe. -- Mark D J
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11 Oct 2006 03:51:11 PM |
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Martin Willett <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> said:
Zooropa wrote:
Jim07D6 wrote:
"Zooropa" <Zooropa.Lady@gmail.com> said:
Have you ever had a parent disallow their kids to play with your kids?
I have a two year old and I wonder if this will happen someday as she
gets to an age where she begins to make friends.
I suggest you get involved in a humanist or even unitarian
organization and discuss this issue with them. Surely there are people
with experiences to share. I for one would not be surprised to have
her go through a semi-theistic period. My own daughter, now grown,
developed a spirituality that is independent of religion, which I
deeply respect, but do not quite understand. ;-)
Check out:
http://www.americanhumanist.org/chapters/
http://www.uua.org/CONG/index.php
-- Jim07D6
Thanks...I will check those out. Does it bother you at all that she has
a "spiritual" side?
I have no clue what "having a spiritual side" means. Can anybody explain it?
An example of what I mean is the notion that "everything happens for a
reason". It is more of a attitudinal relationship to one's world, than
a relationship to a god. I personally believe we PUT reasons into
things, and the reason we put into a thing can be effective in
bringing about a particular result. So if someone says that they are
trying to "find" the reason something happened -- the "lesson" for
example -- I interpret that to mean that they are trying to find a
reason they *can apply* to it, that helps them cope with it or react
in a way that is in line with their "higher" aspirations.
-- Jim07D6
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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12 Oct 2006 02:17:21 PM |
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Jim07D6 <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Martin Willett <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> said:
Zooropa wrote:
Thanks...I will check those out. Does it bother you at all that she has
a "spiritual" side?
I have no clue what "having a spiritual side" means. Can anybody explain it?
An example of what I mean is the notion that "everything happens for a
reason". It is more of a attitudinal relationship to one's world, than
a relationship to a god. I personally believe we PUT reasons into
things, and the reason we put into a thing can be effective in
bringing about a particular result. So if someone says that they are
trying to "find" the reason something happened -- the "lesson" for
example -- I interpret that to mean that they are trying to find a
reason they *can apply* to it, that helps them cope with it or react
in a way that is in line with their "higher" aspirations.
That sounds quite like determinism to me. Everything happens
for a reason as part of some grand plan for your life...
Is that accurate?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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12 Oct 2006 05:54:47 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> said:
Jim07D6 <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Martin Willett <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> said:
Zooropa wrote:
Thanks...I will check those out. Does it bother you at all that she has
a "spiritual" side?
I have no clue what "having a spiritual side" means. Can anybody explain it?
An example of what I mean is the notion that "everything happens for a
reason". It is more of a attitudinal relationship to one's world, than
a relationship to a god. I personally believe we PUT reasons into
things, and the reason we put into a thing can be effective in
bringing about a particular result. So if someone says that they are
trying to "find" the reason something happened -- the "lesson" for
example -- I interpret that to mean that they are trying to find a
reason they *can apply* to it, that helps them cope with it or react
in a way that is in line with their "higher" aspirations.
That sounds quite like determinism to me. Everything happens
for a reason as part of some grand plan for your life...
Is that accurate?
I suppose the same (useless) discussion of determinism can be had WRT
spiritualistic claims about the world as can be had WRT
non-spiritualistic claims about the world.
-- Jim07D6
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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11 Oct 2006 05:11:20 PM |
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Jim07D6 wrote:
Martin Willett <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> said:
Zooropa wrote:
Jim07D6 wrote:
"Zooropa" <Zooropa.Lady@gmail.com> said:
Have you ever had a parent disallow their kids to play with your kids?
I have a two year old and I wonder if this will happen someday as she
gets to an age where she begins to make friends.
I suggest you get involved in a humanist or even unitarian
organization and discuss this issue with them. Surely there are people
with experiences to share. I for one would not be surprised to have
her go through a semi-theistic period. My own daughter, now grown,
developed a spirituality that is independent of religion, which I
deeply respect, but do not quite understand. ;-)
Check out:
http://www.americanhumanist.org/chapters/
http://www.uua.org/CONG/index.php
-- Jim07D6
Thanks...I will check those out. Does it bother you at all that she has
a "spiritual" side?
I have no clue what "having a spiritual side" means. Can anybody explain it?
An example of what I mean is the notion that "everything happens for a
reason". It is more of a attitudinal relationship to one's world, than
a relationship to a god. I personally believe we PUT reasons into
things, and the reason we put into a thing can be effective in
bringing about a particular result. So if someone says that they are
trying to "find" the reason something happened -- the "lesson" for
example -- I interpret that to mean that they are trying to find a
reason they *can apply* to it, that helps them cope with it or react
in a way that is in line with their "higher" aspirations.
-- Jim07D6
Looking for a reason why something happened is a fault of our
evolutionary inheritance. Faced with a puzzle a rabbit runs away, a
rhino tramples on it, a rat chews it, a sloth falls asleep and man looks
for a reason and somebody to blame.
The human brain only seems to be happy when it has found a who answer to
a why question.
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "Mark D J. Mark D" |
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11 Oct 2006 05:22:49 PM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in
Looking for a reason why something happened is a fault of our evolutionary
inheritance. Faced with a puzzle a rabbit runs away, a rhino tramples on
it, a rat chews it, a sloth falls asleep and man looks for a reason and
somebody to blame.
The human brain only seems to be happy when it has found a who answer to a
why question.
Yes. I think it's a 'large-brained social mammal' issue. Most of the
immediate 'environment' of central relevance to our ape ancestors was *other
apes*: in such circumstances, the question of *who* was up to *what* at any
particular moment, and in any particular context was probably a highly
adaptive 'default' setting.
N'est-ce pas...?
M.
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12 Oct 2006 01:54:32 PM |
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Mark D J. <Mark D J.@hoyme.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in
Looking for a reason why something happened is a fault of our evolutionary
inheritance. Faced with a puzzle a rabbit runs away, a rhino tramples on
it, a rat chews it, a sloth falls asleep and man looks for a reason and
somebody to blame.
The human brain only seems to be happy when it has found a who answer
to a why question.
Yes. I think it's a 'large-brained social mammal' issue. Most of the
immediate 'environment' of central relevance to our ape ancestors was *other
apes*: in such circumstances, the question of *who* was up to *what* at any
particular moment, and in any particular context was probably a highly
adaptive 'default' setting.
N'est-ce pas...?
I think it might be the same reason why so many people love conspiracy
theories. When some random bad thing happens, it's more comfortable
for many people to believe in some conspiracy theory than it is to
believe that it just happened purely randomly, perhaps?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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12 Oct 2006 06:22:17 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
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I think it might be the same reason why so many people love conspiracy
theories. When some random bad thing happens, it's more comfortable
for many people to believe in some conspiracy theory than it is to
believe that it just happened purely randomly, perhaps?
I can't quite accept this analysis, old bean. For one thing, what we are
increasingly offered by officialdom is *nothing other than* 'conspiracy
theories'. Seriously: the events of 9/11, 7/7 and more besides are *all*
explained as 'conspiracies'. What people like yourself refer to as
'conspiracy theories' in this context are really just the *unofficial*
conspiracy theories, the *dissenting* and *inconvenient* conspiracy
theories. On top of that, we should also remember that there is quite a
history of 'conspiracy theories' *outside* the US and UK turning out to be
*true*: Italy and Russia are currently places where the maddest and most
twisted explanation regularly turns out to be the right one.
I would, in fact, turn your analysis on its head. A majority of people still
love to put an imaginary 'god' in the universe because they can't abandon
the idea that a nice paternal entity is supernaturally in charge of
everything. And a majority of people still hate unofficial conspiracy
theories because they can't abandon the idea that a nice paternal entity is
officially in charge of everything.
Be nice to conspiracy theorists: they are the atheists of tomorrow!
Regards,
M.
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11 Oct 2006 07:23:56 PM |
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Mark D J. wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in
Looking for a reason why something happened is a fault of our evolutionary
inheritance. Faced with a puzzle a rabbit runs away, a rhino tramples on
it, a rat chews it, a sloth falls asleep and man looks for a reason and
somebody to blame.
The human brain only seems to be happy when it has found a who answer to a
why question.
Yes. I think it's a 'large-brained social mammal' issue. Most of the
immediate 'environment' of central relevance to our ape ancestors was *other
apes*: in such circumstances, the question of *who* was up to *what* at any
particular moment, and in any particular context was probably a highly
adaptive 'default' setting.
N'est-ce pas...?
M.
We're, errr, singing from the same hymn sheet. There has to be a better
way to phrase that...
"Look for who is behind it" is the default setting for our brains,
that's why somebody can be told why the sky is blue a dozen times and
not remember and yet they can remember who was to blame for something
that happened seventy years before hand. Our brains look for
explanations and want to know who caused something to happen. A big
event requires a big cause or we don't feel satisfied. "Big Bangs just
bang. OK?" will never feel like an explanation to some people, just as
"Duh, it was Oswald" will never satisfy other people. A huge phenomenon
requires a huge cause which is recognisably human-shaped otherwise these
people who think with their guts will never feel sated.
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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12 Oct 2006 01:58:20 PM |
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Martin Willett <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in alt.atheism
A huge phenomenon requires a huge cause which is recognisably
human-shaped otherwise these people who think with their guts will
never feel sated.
Are "gut feelings" the same feelings as "feelings from the heart" in
your opinion? Or are they two different things?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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12 Oct 2006 07:25:38 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Martin Willett <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in alt.atheism
A huge phenomenon requires a huge cause which is recognisably
human-shaped otherwise these people who think with their guts will
never feel sated.
Are "gut feelings" the same feelings as "feelings from the heart" in
your opinion? Or are they two different things?
The only organ that thinks is the brain, but I believe the lower and
deeper buried parts of the brain avoid intruding into "the Cartesian
theatre of consciousness" but communicate with the more primitive
systems, which gives the impression of thoughts coming from other than
behind the eyes. Some of these primitive systems are terrific and enable
us to do terrific things, such as walk up stairs sometimes skipping two
steps at a time, sometimes one. Try programming a robot to do that!
These systems can also do things such as give us a feeling that somebody
is lying. I am also amazed at the number of times I look at a woman's
backside and within two seconds she's pulling her clothes down as if to
cover up - but I'm directly behind her, how does she know I'm looking?
So, we have these wonderfully powerful systems in our brains which
communicate via tingles and rumbles and itches and so on. But when we
are faced with unsolvable mysteries we can't shut these systems down and
tell them not to bother us. So sometimes we receive messages from our
bodies which don't make rational sense, those who want to listen can
call these feelings the still small voice of calm, God, Mary, Jesus, the
Holy Spirit, angels, Satan or whatever. Some of those feelings are the
result of running sophisticated software over meaningless data. As an
experiment I did just that, I did a scan of the lid of a basket and
processed it as if it was text. The software found meaning where there
was none. OK, admittedly it only found one letter t but you have to
remember that our brains are doing the equivalent of scanning all the
time. It is inevitable that random noise will produce a
pseudo-meaningful signal eventually. (The *****, it made more sense of
the basket lid than it did of a page of my handwriting!)
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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11 Oct 2006 05:44:28 PM |
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Martin Willett <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> said:
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The human brain only seems to be happy when it has found a who answer to
a why question.
Most if not all of us are the central character in our own narration
of The Most Important Story Ever. ;-)
-- Jim07D6
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11 Oct 2006 07:20:54 PM |
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Martin Willett ha escrito:
Zooropa wrote:
Jim07D6 wrote:
"Zooropa" <Zooropa.Lady@gmail.com> said:
Have you ever had a parent disallow their kids to play with your kids?
I have a two year old and I wonder if this will happen someday as she
gets to an age where she begins to make friends.
I suggest you get involved in a humanist or even unitarian
organization and discuss this issue with them. Surely there are people
with experiences to share. I for one would not be surprised to have
her go through a semi-theistic period. My own daughter, now grown,
developed a spirituality that is independent of religion, which I
deeply respect, but do not quite understand. ;-)
Check out:
http://www.americanhumanist.org/chapters/
http://www.uua.org/CONG/index.php
-- Jim07D6
Thanks...I will check those out. Does it bother you at all that she has
a "spiritual" side?
I have no clue what "having a spiritual side" means. Can anybody explain it?
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
i remember talking on a group with someone from India, that said that
we westerners only see misery in India, and that we did not see the
huge spiritual richness.
Then I was suddenly puzzle and asked myself "what the ***** is
spiritual richness?"
well, the Concise Oxford Dictionary said,
spiritual /, / adj. & n.
adj.
1 of or concerning the spirit as opposed to matter.
2 concerned with sacred or religious things; holy; divine; inspired
(the spiritual life; spiritual songs).
3 (of the mind etc.) refined, sensitive; not concerned with the
material.
4 (of a relationship etc.) concerned with the soul or spirit etc., not
with external reality (his spiritual home).
so I understood that spiritual means, something related to stuff made
out of words with little if at all objective dimensions. In general,
spiritual is an adjective to define artifacts of the mind, related
mostly to words and imaginary beings and feelings. An spiritual world
is made out of words mostly and imaginary situations.
Rational thought is mostly related to real or material entities and to
the operations that we can do with this stuff. Even if this material
stuff is so difficult to grasp or to watch with our senses as fotons,
electrons, and other material stuff like molecules and its reactions.
Leopoldo
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11 Oct 2006 08:22:47 PM |
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"leo" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> said:
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i remember talking on a group with someone from India, that said that
we westerners only see misery in India, and that we did not see the
huge spiritual richness.
Then I was suddenly puzzle and asked myself "what the ***** is
spiritual richness?"
well, the Concise Oxford Dictionary said,
spiritual /, / adj. & n.
adj.
1 of or concerning the spirit as opposed to matter.
2 concerned with sacred or religious things; holy; divine; inspired
(the spiritual life; spiritual songs).
3 (of the mind etc.) refined, sensitive; not concerned with the
material.
4 (of a relationship etc.) concerned with the soul or spirit etc., not
with external reality (his spiritual home).
so I understood that spiritual means, something related to stuff made
out of words with little if at all objective dimensions. In general,
spiritual is an adjective to define artifacts of the mind, related
mostly to words and imaginary beings and feelings. An spiritual world
is made out of words mostly and imaginary situations.
Rational thought is mostly related to real or material entities and to
the operations that we can do with this stuff. Even if this material
stuff is so difficult to grasp or to watch with our senses as fotons,
electrons, and other material stuff like molecules and its reactions.
It might have been interesting to ask this person from India if he
could explain the spiritual richness of India in terms that a
Westerner could understand.
-- Jim07D6
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| User: "Mark D J. Mark D" |
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12 Oct 2006 03:56:14 AM |
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"Jim07D6" <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote in message news:
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i remember talking on a group with someone from India, that said that
we westerners only see misery in India, and that we did not see the
huge spiritual richness.
It might have been interesting to ask this person from India if he
could explain the spiritual richness of India in terms that a
Westerner could understand.
Easy.
'Spiritual Richness' is the result of:
Poverty + Ignorance + Disease + Hunger + Early Death + Overpopulation +
Political Stagnation + A Repressive and Rigid Social System.
Sounds harsh, I know. But you know I'm right. After all, just look at how
much more 'spiritual richness' there has been in the *USA* in recent
years...
M.
M.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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12 Oct 2006 02:07:04 PM |
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Mark D J. <Mark D J.@hoyme.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Jim07D6 <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote in message news:
i remember talking on a group with someone from India, that said that
we westerners only see misery in India, and that we did not see the
huge spiritual richness.
It might have been interesting to ask this person from India if he
could explain the spiritual richness of India in terms that a
Westerner could understand.
Easy.
'Spiritual Richness' is the result of:
Poverty + Ignorance + Disease + Hunger + Early Death + Overpopulation +
Political Stagnation + A Repressive and Rigid Social System.
Sounds harsh, I know. But you know I'm right. After all, just look at how
much more 'spiritual richness' there has been in the *USA* in recent
years...
I've watched a few documentaries about India recently, and have to say
that they appear, as a whole, to be one of the most superstitious
nations on Earth. It's sad, really, because there are a lot of smart,
bright people living there in the midst of it all.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Ghod" |
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12 Oct 2006 05:05:09 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:rpisi2l44mu50sb5292a90h460oh6vv61s@4ax.com...
Mark D J. <Mark D J.@hoyme.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Jim07D6 <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote in message news:
i remember talking on a group with someone from India, that said
that
we westerners only see misery in India, and that we did not see
the
huge spiritual richness.
I think it's something similar to what we meant when we said this one
cat of ours had a rich inner life. Never seen a cat spend so much
time staring at nothing...but then, he was raised by a dog, too.
It might have been interesting to ask this person from India if
he
could explain the spiritual richness of India in terms that a
Westerner could understand.
Easy.
'Spiritual Richness' is the result of:
Poverty + Ignorance + Disease + Hunger + Early Death +
Overpopulation +
Political Stagnation + A Repressive and Rigid Social System.
Sounds harsh, I know. But you know I'm right. After all, just look
at how
much more 'spiritual richness' there has been in the *USA* in
recent
years...
I've watched a few documentaries about India recently, and have to
say
that they appear, as a whole, to be one of the most superstitious
nations on Earth. It's sad, really, because there are a lot of
smart,
bright people living there in the midst of it all.
Many of whom are taking advantage of their neighbor's ignorance and
superstition.....
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12 Oct 2006 05:58:12 PM |
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"Ghod" <ghod@ameritech.net> said:
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:rpisi2l44mu50sb5292a90h460oh6vv61s@4ax.com...
Mark D J. <Mark D J.@hoyme.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Jim07D6 <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote in message news:
i remember talking on a group with someone from India, that said
that
we westerners only see misery in India, and that we did not see
the
huge spiritual richness.
I think it's something similar to what we meant when we said this one
cat of ours had a rich inner life. Never seen a cat spend so much
time staring at nothing...but then, he was raised by a dog, too.
He probably spend his life contemplating the implications of a CAT
being raised by a DOG. ;-)
-- Jim07D6
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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12 Oct 2006 02:03:22 PM |
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Jim07D6 <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote in alt.atheism
leo <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> said:
<...>
i remember talking on a group with someone from India, that said that
we westerners only see misery in India, and that we did not see the
huge spiritual richness.
Then I was suddenly puzzle and asked myself "what the ***** is
spiritual richness?"
Rational thought is mostly related to real or material entities and to
the operations that we can do with this stuff. Even if this material
stuff is so difficult to grasp or to watch with our senses as fotons,
electrons, and other material stuff like molecules and its reactions.
It might have been interesting to ask this person from India if he
could explain the spiritual richness of India in terms that a
Westerner could understand.
Without using the word "spirit" somewhere in the explanation..
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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11 Oct 2006 04:10:52 PM |
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"Zooropa" <Zooropa.Lady@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160520861.152515.126190@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Have you ever had a parent disallow their kids to play with your kids?
I have a two year old and I wonder if this will happen someday as she
gets to an age where she begins to make friends.
Nothing has happened as of yet and my daughter's 8.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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11 Oct 2006 11:57:59 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:10:52 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Zooropa" <Zooropa.Lady@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160520861.152515.126190@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Have you ever had a parent disallow their kids to play with your kids?
I have a two year old and I wonder if this will happen someday as she
gets to an age where she begins to make friends.
Nothing has happened as of yet and my daughter's 8.
The witchling is 8?????
Where have I been?
Wish her a few belated Happy Birthdays for me.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can
solve them."
-Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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12 Oct 2006 07:56:30 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:10:52 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Zooropa" <Zooropa.Lady@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160520861.152515.126190@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Have you ever had a parent disallow their kids to play with your kids?
I have a two year old and I wonder if this will happen someday as she
gets to an age where she begins to make friends.
Nothing has happened as of yet and my daughter's 8.
The witchling is 8?????
True, 'dat! Turned 8 the end of August.
Where have I been?
You know, I was wondering about that myself.
Wish her a few belated Happy Birthdays for me.
Absolutely :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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12 Oct 2006 02:10:44 PM |
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Zooropa <Zooropa.Lady@gmail.com> wrote in message
Have you ever had a parent disallow their kids to play with your kids?
I have a two year old and I wonder if this will happen someday as she
gets to an age where she begins to make friends.
Nothing has happened as of yet and my daughter's 8.
But do your daughter's friend's parents know you're a witch, or
do they think you're Catholic?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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