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"Atheism Crusher" |
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16 Sep 2004 11:18:07 PM |
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ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD
COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your father and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit adultery," "You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17). Is any atheist, agnostic or unbeliever foolish
enough to publicly deny the decorousness of those laws?
OK, there's no disagreement with the fact that those Laws are righteous and
honorable.
But since atheists deny God's existence, they don't have the ability to
realize that God is the Author of the TEN COMMANDMENTS. This forces them to
attribute their authorship to a human. But since atheism is opposed to the
decorous TEN COMMANDMENTS, even while being force to deceptively think they
were authored by a human, this clearly shows evidence that atheism was and
is incapable of authoring, realizing and honoring such decorous and noble
laws. If in the view of the atheist the TEN COMMANDMENTS were authored by a
human, and since it is rightly established that those laws are decorous and
honorable, but are hated by atheists, and atheists are said to comprise the
most "educated" segment of the human race, then it would have taken a more
decorous and honorable human to author them than even the most highly
educated atheist.
Atheism, by means of its opposition to the decorous TEN COMMANDMENTS is none
other than an antithetical principle to God and His Holy Law. This
antithesis is the actual principle at the heart of atheism's inability to
love such decorous laws as : "honor your father and your mother," "You shall
not kill," and etc. Therefore, it is right to conclude that atheism is none
other than raw depravity - the diabolical principle at work in people who
dishonor their parents, murder, lie and commit every other moral crime.
So now you realize that it is atheists (and other nonbelievers) who are in
favor of putting their "terminally ill" parents to death; who are in favor
of murdering innocent human embryos and fetuses; who are perpetuating
homosexuality, lesbianism, bestiality, pornography, pedophilia and etc; who
are responsible for all the violence in the movie industry; who are
responsible for all the smut on the web; who bear false witness against the
existence of God; who bear the false testimony that the earth came into
being by a cataclysmic explosion; who bear the false testimony of evolution;
who bear the false testimony that man descended from the ape; who worship
the creature rather than the Creator; who are responsible for all the moral
decline in America and the world community.
Atheists and all other nonbelievers in the true God - regardless of their
level of "education" and position in society - are therefore the true
criminals of the world community and if there is a sane government, it
should treat them accordingly.
--
Atheistfools.com
Information to stimulate your rational mind!
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| User: "Cedric Knight" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
17 Sep 2004 04:08:01 AM |
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"Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> reposted:
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE
WORLD
COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your
father and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit adultery,"
"You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your
neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17). Is any atheist, agnostic or unbeliever
foolish
enough to publicly deny the decorousness of those laws?
Personally, I'm not at all keen on the Second Commandment. Unlike
Muslims and conceptual artists, I see no harm at all in representational
art, etching, or photography. And it's a bit odd having this and the
foruth and fifth on a par with the Sixth, which seems to have caused all
kinds of problems when translated in the KJV version as 'Thou shalt not
kill'. During the 1914-18 war, certain churches had this amended on the
tables to 'Thou shalt not kill unlawfully.'
OK, there's no disagreement with the fact that those Laws are
righteous and
honorable.[...]
Caution, bizarre syllogism ahead:
If in the view of the atheist the TEN COMMANDMENTS were authored by a
human, and since it is rightly established that those laws are
decorous and
honorable,
(Modern jurisprudence would seem to have rather better foundations)
but are hated by atheists,
(in contradiction to the first paragraph of the email. The two premises
here are mutually exclusive)
and atheists are said to comprise the
most "educated" segment of the human race,
(and also oddly assuming for some reason that ""educated"" necessarily
means "decorous and honourable")
then it would have taken a more
decorous and honorable human to author them than even the most highly
educated atheist.
Or, alternatively, the commandments could have been authored by (a) a
non-atheist who wouldn't 'hate' them; (b) an atheist who was lying.
This is a good example of having to demean human beings in order to
exalt god.
Atheism, by means of its opposition to the decorous TEN COMMANDMENTS
is none
other than an antithetical principle to God and His Holy Law.
It's not a /principle/ - it's a lack of belief. Atheism is under no
obligation to oppose the law as laid out in the Pentateuch/Torah, but it
is free to ignore it. Which is quite fortunate when we find things like
Numbers 15:32, stoning a gentile to death for gathering sticks on the
sabbath, which some might consider harsh.
This
antithesis is the actual principle at the heart of atheism's inability
to
love such decorous laws as : "honor your father and your mother," "You
shall
not kill," and etc. Therefore, it is right to conclude that atheism is
none
other than raw depravity - the diabolical principle at work in people
who
dishonor their parents, murder, lie and commit every other moral
crime.
Moral codes exist that are not based on the Ten Commandments. Loving a
moral code doesn't mean it is always followed. Therefore, it is not
right to conclude the above.
Rather than trying to get this result from muddled reasoning, perhaps we
could see some statistical evidence that crime (or e.g. lying) is more
common in a group of atheists than in a similar group of believers?
So now you realize that it is atheists (and other nonbelievers) who
are in
favor of putting their "terminally ill" parents to death;
This seems to be about voluntary euthanasia. The author cited the fifth
commandment above: 'honour your father and your mother'. So if a
terminally ill (without the quotes) parent is asking to die, that seems
to /oblige/ the son or daughter to help.
who are in favor
of murdering innocent human embryos and fetuses; who are perpetuating
homosexuality, lesbianism, bestiality, pornography, pedophilia and
etc; who
are responsible for all the violence in the movie industry;
This rant is getting sillier and sillier.
who are
responsible for all the smut on the web; who bear false witness
against the
existence of God; who bear the false testimony that the earth came
into
being by a cataclysmic explosion;
And we're finally on-topic for alt.talk.creationism. 'Cataclysmic
explosion' reveals an amazing level of scientific ignorance, in someone
who I assume is some kind of Creationist leader.
who bear the false testimony of evolution;
who bear the false testimony that man descended from the ape;
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two is four. And that pi
isn't.
CK
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| User: "Danti" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
17 Sep 2004 06:49:28 AM |
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"Cedric Knight" <cknight@gn.babpbc.removeallBstosend.org> wrote in
message news:414abc6f$0$83677$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
"Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> reposted:
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE
WORLD
COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your
father and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit
adultery,"
"You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your
neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17). Is any atheist, agnostic or unbeliever
foolish
enough to publicly deny the decorousness of those laws?
Personally, I'm not at all keen on the Second Commandment. Unlike
Muslims and conceptual artists, I see no harm at all in
representational
art, etching, or photography. And it's a bit odd having this and
the
foruth and fifth on a par with the Sixth, which seems to have caused
all
kinds of problems when translated in the KJV version as 'Thou shalt
not
kill'.
During the 1914-18 war, certain churches had this amended on the
tables to 'Thou shalt not kill unlawfully.'
and what churches were these???
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| User: "Cedric Knight" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
17 Sep 2004 05:24:13 PM |
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Danti wrote:
"Cedric Knight" <cknight@gn.babpbc.removeallBstosend.org> wrote in
the
foruth and fifth on a par with the Sixth, which seems to have caused
all
kinds of problems when translated in the KJV version as 'Thou shalt
not
kill'.
During the 1914-18 war, certain churches had this amended on the
tables to 'Thou shalt not kill unlawfully.'
and what churches were these???
Church of England churches where infantry regiments were based. Still
visible in some churches in places like Durham.... sorry, can't remember
the source.
Seems to tie in with the modern translation, anyway.
CK
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
18 Sep 2004 04:03:04 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:08:01 +0100, "Cedric Knight"
<cknight@gn.babpbc.removeallBstosend.org> wrote:
:
Personally, I'm not at all keen on the Second Commandment. Unlike
Muslims and conceptual artists, I see no harm at all in representational
art, etching, or photography. And it's a bit odd having this and the
foruth and fifth on a par with the Sixth, which seems to have caused all
kinds of problems when translated in the KJV version as 'Thou shalt not
kill'. During the 1914-18 war, certain churches had this amended on the
tables to 'Thou shalt not kill unlawfully.'
:
In fact that kinda what the Hebrew has said all along.
The KJV is a minor mis-translation.
"Thou shalt not commit manslaughter" is the Hebrew version which,
because of all the religious wars going on, has never excluded
justifiable homicide, including killing an enemy in battle.
The above change merely removed the error.
HTH.
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| User: "Milan" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
17 Sep 2004 05:49:38 PM |
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"Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> wrote in message
news:5At2d.42$9Z.60191@news.uswest.net...
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD
COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your father
and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit adultery,"
"You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your
neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17).
Wrong. It was Jehovah, not "God" who commanded that. And the command was for
the israelites, not for all of mankind. Get your OT right, redneck.
regards
Milan
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| User: "The Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
18 Sep 2004 01:01:28 PM |
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"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<2r17ujF154no8U1@uni-berlin.de>...
"Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> wrote in message
news:5At2d.42$9Z.60191@news.uswest.net...
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD
COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your father
and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit adultery,"
"You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your
neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17).
Wrong. It was Jehovah, not "God" who commanded that. And the command was for
the israelites, not for all of mankind. Get your OT right, redneck.
Isn't Jehovah synonomous with God?
regards
Milan
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
18 Sep 2004 08:34:23 PM |
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On 18 Sep 2004 11:01:28 -0700, (The
Immortalist) wrote:
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<2r17ujF154no8U1@uni-berlin.de>...
"Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> wrote in message
news:5At2d.42$9Z.60191@news.uswest.net...
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD
COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your father
and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit adultery,"
"You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your
neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17).
Wrong. It was Jehovah, not "God" who commanded that. And the command was for
the israelites, not for all of mankind. Get your OT right, redneck.
Isn't Jehovah synonomous with God?
regards
Milan
YHWH is NOT synonomous with God, and has never been considered so.
YHWH is the actual name of the entity that writers of the old
testament considered to be the Israelites mono-god.
"God" was their generic term for any old god, even ones outside Hebrew
teachings.
HTH
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
18 Sep 2004 10:44:26 PM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 18 Sep 2004 11:01:28 -0700, (The
Immortalist) wrote:
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<2r17ujF154no8U1@uni-berlin.de>...
"Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> wrote in message
news:5At2d.42$9Z.60191@news.uswest.net...
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE
WORLD COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your
father
and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit adultery,"
"You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your
neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17).
Wrong. It was Jehovah, not "God" who commanded that. And the command was
for the israelites, not for all of mankind. Get your OT right, redneck.
Isn't Jehovah synonomous with God?
regards
Milan
YHWH is NOT synonomous with God, and has never been considered so.
YHWH is the actual name of the entity that writers of the old
testament considered to be the Israelites mono-god.
"God" was their generic term for any old god, even ones outside Hebrew
teachings.
God is derived from Gott, an ancient Earth god from Germany
who's name became synonymous as a generic god. From here
it came into English. This word would have been utterly
unknown to any Israelite or Jew until the early middle ages
in Northern Europe.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
19 Sep 2004 12:14:30 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:44:26 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 18 Sep 2004 11:01:28 -0700, (The
Immortalist) wrote:
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<2r17ujF154no8U1@uni-berlin.de>...
"Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> wrote in message
news:5At2d.42$9Z.60191@news.uswest.net...
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE
WORLD COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your
father
and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit adultery,"
"You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your
neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17).
Wrong. It was Jehovah, not "God" who commanded that. And the command was
for the israelites, not for all of mankind. Get your OT right, redneck.
Isn't Jehovah synonomous with God?
regards
Milan
YHWH is NOT synonomous with God, and has never been considered so.
YHWH is the actual name of the entity that writers of the old
testament considered to be the Israelites mono-god.
"God" was their generic term for any old god, even ones outside Hebrew
teachings.
God is derived from Gott, an ancient Earth god from Germany
who's name became synonymous as a generic god. From here
it came into English. This word would have been utterly
unknown to any Israelite or Jew until the early middle ages
in Northern Europe.
Sorry I, was slipping into english there, a hangover from the previous
poster.
You are quite right, of course, and to be absolutely correct I should
have written:
אלהים
But I fear that would have confused anyone who uses "Jehova".
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
19 Sep 2004 12:13:53 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:44:26 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 18 Sep 2004 11:01:28 -0700, (The
Immortalist) wrote:
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<2r17ujF154no8U1@uni-berlin.de>...
"Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> wrote in message
news:5At2d.42$9Z.60191@news.uswest.net...
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE
WORLD COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your
father
and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit
adultery,"
"You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your
neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17).
Wrong. It was Jehovah, not "God" who commanded that. And the command
was for the israelites, not for all of mankind. Get your OT right,
redneck.
Isn't Jehovah synonomous with God?
regards
Milan
YHWH is NOT synonomous with God, and has never been considered so.
YHWH is the actual name of the entity that writers of the old
testament considered to be the Israelites mono-god.
"God" was their generic term for any old god, even ones outside Hebrew
teachings.
God is derived from Gott, an ancient Earth god from Germany
who's name became synonymous as a generic god. From here
it came into English. This word would have been utterly
unknown to any Israelite or Jew until the early middle ages
in Northern Europe.
Sorry I, was slipping into english there, a hangover from the previous
poster.
You are quite right, of course, and to be absolutely correct I should
have written:
אלהים
But I fear that would have confused anyone who uses "Jehova".
Interestingly enough Yhwh may have been derived from an obscure
Canaanite god Yahu.
The Jewish colony in Egypt on the Elephantine used the name Yaho
and -yahu is a common ending on Israelite names.
Yahu, battled the god Baal, he was a god of rivers.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
19 Sep 2004 02:42:28 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:13:53 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:44:26 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 18 Sep 2004 11:01:28 -0700, (The
Immortalist) wrote:
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<2r17ujF154no8U1@uni-berlin.de>...
"Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> wrote in message
news:5At2d.42$9Z.60191@news.uswest.net...
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE
WORLD COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your
father
and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit
adultery,"
"You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your
neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17).
Wrong. It was Jehovah, not "God" who commanded that. And the command
was for the israelites, not for all of mankind. Get your OT right,
redneck.
Isn't Jehovah synonomous with God?
regards
Milan
YHWH is NOT synonomous with God, and has never been considered so.
YHWH is the actual name of the entity that writers of the old
testament considered to be the Israelites mono-god.
"God" was their generic term for any old god, even ones outside Hebrew
teachings.
God is derived from Gott, an ancient Earth god from Germany
who's name became synonymous as a generic god. From here
it came into English. This word would have been utterly
unknown to any Israelite or Jew until the early middle ages
in Northern Europe.
Sorry I, was slipping into english there, a hangover from the previous
poster.
You are quite right, of course, and to be absolutely correct I should
have written:
אלהים
But I fear that would have confused anyone who uses "Jehova".
Interestingly enough Yhwh may have been derived from an obscure
Canaanite god Yahu.
The Jewish colony in Egypt on the Elephantine used the name Yaho
and -yahu is a common ending on Israelite names.
Yahu, battled the god Baal, he was a god of rivers.
It is more likely that the name YHWH is actually lifted from Baal
himself.
I don't have the time to look it up now, but one of the more formal
full title names for Baal, contains the word Yhwh about half way
through.
I just wish I could remember what it was.
The thinking goes, (not mine, but Dr. Robert Oden's), that the then
primitive herdsman tribes of what is now northern Israel, wanted their
god to have the funky urban charm of the gods belonging to their much
cooler and more sophisticated neighbours, the Cannanites, instead of
sounding like something that came out of a goat.
So they stole a bit of the Caanaites' "Baal' formal title.
It's really quite interesting. If I can find it later, I will post the
full details, unless someone beats me to it!
As for Yahoos, we've got plenty next door, thankyou.
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| User: "D. Stephen Heersink" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
18 Sep 2004 04:40:04 AM |
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Wrong. It was Jehovah, not "God" who commanded that. And the command was for
the israelites, not for all of mankind. Get your OT right, redneck.
Wrong again. The tetragrammaton is YHWH or Yahweh, not Jehovah which
is a horrible bastardization of it. God did not give the
commendments, Moses did, claiming they came from God to give them
authority that they otherwise would not have had. Appeals to authority
are a common device by religious zealots, but such appeals are one of
the most common fallacies.
Kind regards,
_____________________
D. Stephen Heersink
San Francisco
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
17 Sep 2004 11:08:46 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:49:38 +0100, "Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> wrote in message
news:5At2d.42$9Z.60191@news.uswest.net...
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD
COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your father
and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit adultery,"
"You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your
neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17).
Wrong. It was Jehovah, not "God" who commanded that. And the command was for
the israelites, not for all of mankind. Get your OT right, redneck.
regards
Milan
You don't actually expect a rabid proseletyzing Christian to be fully
conversant with the Bible, do you?
That's a little like expecting an 18 year new car owner to have read
and understood the manual, before even opening the door.
It just doesn't happen!
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
18 Sep 2004 04:04:11 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:38:46 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:49:38 +0100, "Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> wrote in message
news:5At2d.42$9Z.60191@news.uswest.net...
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD
COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your father
and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit adultery,"
"You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your
neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17).
Wrong. It was Jehovah, not "God" who commanded that. And the command was for
the israelites, not for all of mankind. Get your OT right, redneck.
regards
Milan
You don't actually expect a rabid proseletyzing Christian to be fully
conversant with the Bible, do you?
That's a little like expecting an 18 year new car owner to have read
and understood the manual, before even opening the door.
It just doesn't happen!
Make that "18 year old"...
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| User: "Desdinova" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
17 Sep 2004 05:50:20 PM |
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"Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> wrote in message
news:5At2d.42$9Z.60191@news.uswest.net...
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD
COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
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Go fling your crap elsewhere, Ambrosini. You have zero credibility here,
monkey boy.
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| User: "Alan Hobson" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
17 Sep 2004 10:32:09 PM |
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"Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> wrote in message news:<5At2d.42$9Z.60191@news.uswest.net>...
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD
COMMUNITY
By: Robert T. Lee
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your father and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit adultery," "You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17). Is any atheist, agnostic or unbeliever foolish
enough to publicly deny the decorousness of those laws?
OK, there's no disagreement with the fact that those Laws are righteous and
honorable.
Bzzt! Wrong. I disagree. So there *is* disagreement.
-Alan
aa#1608 BAAWA
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
17 Sep 2004 07:03:11 AM |
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Atheism Crusher wrote:
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD
COMMUNITY
*****.
By: Robert T. Lee
Who's obviously a fucking idiot.
God
Who ?
commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your father and
your mother," "You shall not murder,"
Tell that to Bush.....an illegal invasion is fine to this God fella is it ?
"You shall not commit adultery," "You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17). Is any atheist, agnostic or unbeliever foolish
enough to publicly deny the decorousness of those laws?
Any Christian actually obey them ?
OK, there's no disagreement with the fact that those Laws are righteous and
honorable.
But since atheists deny God's existence, they don't have the ability to
realize that God is the Author of the TEN COMMANDMENTS.
He isn't, as he doesn't exist.
This forces them to
attribute their authorship to a human.
Urm....yeah.....
But since atheism is opposed to the
decorous TEN COMMANDMENTS,
Aw *****, I can't be bothered.....
Rest of garbage snipped.............
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
Skype callto://hellward
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| User: "Ronald Porep" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
18 Sep 2004 10:23:30 AM |
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Let us not start branding people who do not believe what we do as criminals
please. The church has its own brand to worry about such as pedophile
priests. Jesus said Love the Sinner and Hate the Sin.
Ron
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| User: "enry" |
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18 Sep 2004 08:44:51 PM |
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Ronald Porep wrote:
Let us not start branding people who do not believe what we do as
criminals please. The church has its own brand to worry about such as
pedophile priests. Jesus said Love the Sinner and Hate the Sin.
Ron
He did? Reference please.
--
'enry VIII, I am, I am!
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
17 Sep 2004 08:56:20 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:18:07 -0700, "Atheism Crusher"
<atheist@fools.com> wrote:
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD
COMMUNITY
Oh dear...
Yep.
That's all completely true.
(Pat on head) "Ooh. There, there."
"It'll be alread when your medication kicks in"
Now will you go away?
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
17 Sep 2004 04:31:42 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:18:07 -0700, "Atheism Crusher"
<atheist@fools.com> wrote:
God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your father and
your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit adultery," "You
shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor,"
and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17). Is any atheist, agnostic or unbeliever foolish
enough to publicly deny the decorousness of those laws?
Those specific ones?
What do you say we analyze the entire Ten Commandments? I lay aside
for the moment that Protestants, Catholics, and Jews can't actually
agree on what the "Ten Commandments" actually consist of in the first
place, and will utilize the Protestant version as the one you're
undoubtedly referencing. (BTW, quoting anything by Robert T. Lee is
*really* scraping the bottom of the idiot barrel, but we'll put that
aside for the moment).
We'll start with the ones you listed: murder (6th), stealing (8th),
and perjury (9th) are prohibited? All well and good; every society,
religious or not, recognizes on completely obvious utilitarian grounds
that such actions are not desirable. If a society needs a deity to
tell them that, they're not going to be around for very long. As far
as adultery (7th) goes, that's really no one's business, and if all
parties involved consent to it, where's the harm?
As far as the rest are concerned, they're highly dubious. Let's take
them one by one:
First Commandment ("Thou shalt have no other Gods before me", which by
implication, tacitly admits polytheism as true, but limits worship to
one particular deity). Give me a break. India, Japan, China, and
innumerable other cultures have managed to get by nicely while
ignoring this one.
Second Commandment (no graven images). Outside the Muslim world, what
culture has ever managed to even attempt to observe this one? And who
cares, in any case? If there is a God, and He's pissed at Leonardo Da
Vinci for "The Last Supper", or Michelangelo for "The Creation of
Adam", then He's a total schmuck, who needs to get a life.
Third Commandment (no taking the name of the Lord in vain). As no sect
seems to agree on what this is supposed to mean, it would appear to be
rather irrelevant. Does it mean not to swear oaths frivolously? Does
it mean not to swear oaths at all? Does it mean not to utter the name
(YHVH/Jehovah) of God in conversation? (Insert "Life Of Brian" stoning
reference here).
Fourth Commandment (keep the Sabbath holy). When the innumerable
squabbling factions of Bible-thumpers manage to agree on what day the
Sabbath actually is, we can discuss this one. Until then, STFU.
Really.
Fifth Commandment (honor thy father and mother). Unconditionally? I
love and honor my parents, but does this apply to, say, the child of a
serial killer, or of a Republican President?
(6 through 9 previously discussed)
Tenth Commandment (thou shalt not covet). One could make a compelling
case that the entire capitalist system of economics is based on a
blatant violation of this commandment. Are you sure you want to go
there?
So, after analysis, we wind up with three of ten Commandments
certainly valid, if completely obvious to anyone, and the others
rather suspect. Batting .300 will make you a superstar in Baseball,
but a purported Deity should be held to a higher standard.
<Donald Trump voice>
"God", you're fired.
</Donald Trump voice>
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| User: "_AnonCoward" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS,ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY |
18 Sep 2004 03:52:06 PM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:aualk012b0uij00uolbbif8t1j2ile7gkm@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:18:07 -0700, "Atheism Crusher"
: <atheist@fools.com> wrote:
:
: >God commands all mankind in the TEN COMMANDMENTS to: "Honor your
: >father and your mother," "You shall not murder," "You shall not
: >commit adultery," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear
: >false witness against your neighbor," and etc, (Exodus 20:1-17).
: >Is any atheist, agnostic or unbeliever foolish enough to publicly
: >deny the decorousness of those laws?
:
: Those specific ones?
:
: What do you say we analyze the entire Ten Commandments? I lay aside
: for the moment that Protestants, Catholics, and Jews can't actually
: agree on what the "Ten Commandments" actually consist of in the first
: place, and will utilize the Protestant version as the one you're
: undoubtedly referencing. (BTW, quoting anything by Robert T. Lee is
: *really* scraping the bottom of the idiot barrel, but we'll put that
: aside for the moment).
:
: We'll start with the ones you listed: murder (6th), stealing (8th),
: and perjury (9th) are prohibited? All well and good; every society,
: religious or not, recognizes on completely obvious utilitarian grounds
: that such actions are not desirable. If a society needs a deity to
: tell them that, they're not going to be around for very long. As far
: as adultery (7th) goes, that's really no one's business, and if all
: parties involved consent to it, where's the harm?
Ralf:
In the case of adultery however, there is usually a third party who does
not give consent and is hurt by the action (sometimes deserved,
othertimes not). Wife-swapping (is that a sexist term, or what?) is one
thing; stepping out on one's spouse is something else altogether.
: As far as the rest are concerned, they're highly dubious. Let's take
: them one by one:
:
: First Commandment ("Thou shalt have no other Gods before me", which by
: implication, tacitly admits polytheism as true, but limits worship to
: one particular deity). Give me a break. India, Japan, China, and
: innumerable other cultures have managed to get by nicely while
: ignoring this one.
Ralf:
There is another angle to this that is often overlooked. Exodus 20:1 - 3
reads:
And God spoke all these words, saying: "I am the LORD your
God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the
house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me."
The word "God" and "gods" is the Hebrew term 'elohim (Strong's 0430).
This term had many meanings including a reference to "gods" (plural),
"God" (evidently both as a word for God in a general sense as well as a
name), and "judges" or "rulers". The term 'elohim derived from El which,
interestingly enough, is the name of the high god of the canaanite
religion. The term `elohim also referred to the patron god of a people
or community - this constituted a relationship where a god takes a
particular interest in the affairs of a certain group). In this passage,
Moses is saying that God (Yahweh) is reaffirming his patronage of the
Israelites - the children of Abraham. This can be read as "I am Yahweh,
your [patron] God - I brought you out of bondage in Egypt and you will
not worship any of the other gods." See Genesis 17:1, 17:2, 17:8.
This idea of Yahweh being a patron god (as opposed to the only god) is
supported in the biblical text directly. In Genesis 33:20 we find this:
[JACOB] established an alter and called it "EL, the God
of Israel"
Jacob (renamed Israel by this point) is erecting a monument to his
patron God, El (the chief god of the Canaanites).
: Second Commandment (no graven images). Outside the Muslim world, what
: culture has ever managed to even attempt to observe this one? And who
: cares, in any case? If there is a God, and He's pissed at Leonardo Da
: Vinci for "The Last Supper", or Michelangelo for "The Creation of
: Adam", then He's a total schmuck, who needs to get a life.
:
: Third Commandment (no taking the name of the Lord in vain). As no sect
: seems to agree on what this is supposed to mean, it would appear to be
: rather irrelevant. Does it mean not to swear oaths frivolously? Does
: it mean not to swear oaths at all? Does it mean not to utter the name
: (YHVH/Jehovah) of God in conversation? (Insert "Life Of Brian" stoning
: reference here).
Ralf:
While I realize this has no meaningful bearing on what the verse meant
as it written, I like to think if it as referring to folks who claim to
be "Christians" who are such in name only
: Fourth Commandment (keep the Sabbath holy). When the innumerable
: squabbling factions of Bible-thumpers manage to agree on what day the
: Sabbath actually is, we can discuss this one. Until then, STFU.
: Really.
:
: Fifth Commandment (honor thy father and mother). Unconditionally? I
: love and honor my parents, but does this apply to, say, the child of a
: serial killer, or of a Republican President?
:
: (6 through 9 previously discussed)
:
: Tenth Commandment (thou shalt not covet). One could make a compelling
: case that the entire capitalist system of economics is based on a
: blatant violation of this commandment. Are you sure you want to go
: there?
:
: So, after analysis, we wind up with three of ten Commandments
: certainly valid, if completely obvious to anyone, and the others
: rather suspect. Batting .300 will make you a superstar in Baseball,
: but a purported Deity should be held to a higher standard.
:
: <Donald Trump voice>
:
: "God", you're fired.
:
: </Donald Trump voice>
Ralf
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Those who assert that scripture is inerrant or is to be
understood literally invariably find themselves confronted
with the need to ignore or distort the plain meaning of the
text. In the process, they change the scriptures to bring
them into conformance with their doctrine rather than
modifying their doctrine to bring it into conformance with
scripture.
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| User: "Raymond Ambosini Squasher" |
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17 Sep 2004 03:05:41 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:18:07 -0700, "Atheism Crusher" <atheist@fools.com> wrote:
snip religious *****
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=raymond+ambrosini&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=16d055f3.0303191346.33fc50d1%40posting.google.com&rnum=6
From: Quicksword (Surferdude425@aol.com)
Subject: Ray Ambrosini-Raymond Jerrold Searching the Net for Aliases
View: Complete Thread (2 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.bigfoot.research
Date: 2003-03-19 13:46:46 PST
Check this out: Does anyone have the fake names that Ray Ambrosini is
using on the net? BTW,,what is an airline pilot doing spending his
time on the internet asking people as to how he can fake his name?
OH,,this email from him was at a time when he had his psycho PARA BF
site up and running,,so he was even then scamming people. If
Ambrosini is so sure about his theories on BF, then why does he have
to inquire about posting with fake names and identities? WAIT,,THERE
IS MORE COMING. This guy is unbelievable. The greybar hotel and a
300 pound guy named "BUBBA" are too good for him.
Guess we do not have an airline pilot, but rather a PIZZA DELIVERY
DRIVER.
From: "Raymond Ambrosini" <lowram@sprintmail.com>
Date: 15 Jun 1998 20:06:42 -0700
Subject: Alternate ID
Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc.
Can someone help me find a newsgroup that helps me obtain different
identitys?
Signed,
Sick and tired
YEAH,,,he is "SICK AND TIRED" alright! Skywise (The real one) go for
it!!!
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