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User: "+Church of The Painful Truth+"
Date: 30 Jun 2004 11:35:52 PM
Object: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH
THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH
In the above articles I've presented some evidence that shows that even when
one foolishly assumes that the TEN COMMANDMENTS were authored by a human,
atheism, by virtue of its rejection and enmity against the TEN COMMANDMENTS
cannot elevate itself to such a noble height to author such decorous laws as
"Honor your father and your mother," "You shall not murder." "You shall not
steal," and etc. Since atheism is hotly opposed to the TEN COMMANDMENTS and
in order for the TEN COMMANDMENTS to have been authored by a human, it would
would have require a more sensible, noble and wise human than even the most
highly "learned" atheist.
The COMMANDMENTS I presented in the above paragraph are just three of the
latter six of the COMMANDMENTS which atheism could not have authored. But
there are TEN commandments. Since atheism could not have risen to such a
level to author or appreciate any of the latter six of the TEN COMMANDMENTS,
it is no wonder that atheists can't understand that God exists -- which
pertains to the first four of the commandments. That is, atheism, by virtue
of its inability to author laws on a lower noble level that pertains to the
welfare of mankind, could not have risen to a higher level to understand the
existence of God so as to devise laws in honor of mankind's Creator.
These facts explain why atheists interpret the Bible as they do -- as a
volume of "babble" and full of nonexistent contradictions. Atheism is not
elevated enough to allow even its most educated subjects to understand the
Bible. Therefore the Bible puzzles them as calculus puzzles the dimwitted.
Atheism make dimwits of all its subjects and makes the most "learned" or
"educated" more dimwitted than the ignorant. Not only does atheism prevent
atheists from properly understanding the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the Bible, but
it prevents their minds from being elevated enough to understand the
simplest common sense facts.
For example: It is the educated atheist who get the roles of males and
females mixed up, and who think homosexuality and lesbianism are normal. It
is the atheist who can't tell whether a human is human while he or she is
yet in the womb. It is the atheist who gets justice mixed up and who thinks
the innocent human embryo and fetus should get the penalty of death and the
criminal murderer ought to get life for his death worthy crime. It is the
atheist who thinks the terminally ill ought to receive the sentence of death
for their noncriminal sicknesses. It is the atheists who condemns the
righteous and exonerates the wicked. The list of examples can go on and on.
When you talk with atheists, agnostics or any unbelievers in the true God,
you are talking with some of the biggest fools on the face of the earth. The
atheist is like one who plucks out his eyes and then tries to see. He is
like one who closes his ears and then tries to hear. Alas, how true it is
that the so called "educated" atheists are the biggest fools on earth!
--
The Atheist Fools Network
http://www.atheistfools.com
"Few men are so obstinate in their atheism, that a pressing danger will not
compel them to acknowledgment of a divine power....."
Plato
"Atheism is a disease of the soul before it becomes an error of
understanding....."
Plato
"No one ever dies an atheist....."
Plato
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Associates for Biblical Research
http://www.ChristianAnswers.net/abr/abrhome.html
Association of Christian Astronomers International
http://www.christian-astronomers.org/
Affiliation of Christian Geologists
http://www.wheaton.edu/ACG/
Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences
http://www.ctns.org/
Christian Geology Ministry
http://www.kjvbible.org/
.

User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 03 Jul 2004 05:46:35 PM
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 10:41:04 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:

Remember, popular usage gets both atheist and agnostic wrong because
it attempts to describe people who aren't theist from theistic
premises that don't even apply - never mind that even if they did,
they still form a tick-the-box least bad fit.


Don't you end up defining deists as atheists that way?


Do I? That's news to me.


Your definition of god seems quite culturally bound to the religions
that came from the 'God of Abraham'. Pantheism, deism, etc. don't seem
to fit into your definition of god.

Another remarkably silly thing to say. I was not raised theist. I do
not start off from any kind of theist premise. I do not define
god/God/etc. I observe that people believe in things they call gods.
The word for these people is theist. I am absent the propertrrty of
being theist, therefore I am atheist.
That's all.
Why extrapolate additional things based on premises that don't even
apply?
.
User: "David Jensen"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 03 Jul 2004 11:21:50 PM
In alt.talk.creationism, Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote
in <5mdee05tccr8rbu2st7upnlvkvh9tlpkb6@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 10:41:04 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:


Remember, popular usage gets both atheist and agnostic wrong because
it attempts to describe people who aren't theist from theistic
premises that don't even apply - never mind that even if they did,
they still form a tick-the-box least bad fit.


Don't you end up defining deists as atheists that way?


Do I? That's news to me.


Your definition of god seems quite culturally bound to the religions
that came from the 'God of Abraham'. Pantheism, deism, etc. don't seem
to fit into your definition of god.


Another remarkably silly thing to say. I was not raised theist. I do
not start off from any kind of theist premise. I do not define
god/God/etc. I observe that people believe in things they call gods.
The word for these people is theist. I am absent the propertrrty of
being theist, therefore I am atheist.

You may be atheist, but your use of the language implies specific
understandings of what theists are.

That's all.

Why extrapolate additional things based on premises that don't even
apply?

Because you became picky about the use of 'agnostic' in a zealous
manner.
.
User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 04 Jul 2004 03:45:27 AM
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:21:50 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:

In alt.talk.creationism, Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote
in <5mdee05tccr8rbu2st7upnlvkvh9tlpkb6@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 10:41:04 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:


Remember, popular usage gets both atheist and agnostic wrong because
it attempts to describe people who aren't theist from theistic
premises that don't even apply - never mind that even if they did,
they still form a tick-the-box least bad fit.


Don't you end up defining deists as atheists that way?


Do I? That's news to me.


Your definition of god seems quite culturally bound to the religions
that came from the 'God of Abraham'. Pantheism, deism, etc. don't seem
to fit into your definition of god.


Another remarkably silly thing to say. I was not raised theist. I do
not start off from any kind of theist premise. I do not define
god/God/etc. I observe that people believe in things they call gods.
The word for these people is theist. I am absent the propertrrty of
being theist, therefore I am atheist.


You may be atheist, but your use of the language implies specific
understandings of what theists are.

Which was again a remarkably silly thing to say - all it does is
acknwledge that theists exist, and that we are not in that set.

That's all.

Why extrapolate additional things based on premises that don't even
apply?


Because you became picky about the use of 'agnostic' in a zealous
manner.

Dodging the question again? Why do you lie?
.
User: "David Jensen"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 04 Jul 2004 08:52:46 AM
In alt.talk.creationism, Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote
in <5qgfe0l2a5p5m3i6260qpjlb8rmvm5ov64@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:21:50 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:

In alt.talk.creationism, Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote
in <5mdee05tccr8rbu2st7upnlvkvh9tlpkb6@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 10:41:04 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:


Remember, popular usage gets both atheist and agnostic wrong because
it attempts to describe people who aren't theist from theistic
premises that don't even apply - never mind that even if they did,
they still form a tick-the-box least bad fit.


Don't you end up defining deists as atheists that way?


Do I? That's news to me.


Your definition of god seems quite culturally bound to the religions
that came from the 'God of Abraham'. Pantheism, deism, etc. don't seem
to fit into your definition of god.


Another remarkably silly thing to say. I was not raised theist. I do
not start off from any kind of theist premise. I do not define
god/God/etc. I observe that people believe in things they call gods.
The word for these people is theist. I am absent the propertrrty of
being theist, therefore I am atheist.


You may be atheist, but your use of the language implies specific
understandings of what theists are.


Which was again a remarkably silly thing to say - all it does is
acknwledge that theists exist, and that we are not in that set.

Sorry, that's not what came across from your writing.

That's all.

Why extrapolate additional things based on premises that don't even
apply?


Because you became picky about the use of 'agnostic' in a zealous
manner.


Dodging the question again? Why do you lie?

I guess I'm done discussing with you.
.
User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 04 Jul 2004 10:07:42 AM
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 08:52:46 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:

You may be atheist, but your use of the language implies specific
understandings of what theists are.


Which was again a remarkably silly thing to say - all it does is
acknwledge that theists exist, and that we are not in that set.


Sorry, that's not what came across from your writing.

That's all.

Why extrapolate additional things based on premises that don't even
apply?


Because you became picky about the use of 'agnostic' in a zealous
manner.

What "zealous manner",. liar?

Dodging the question again? Why do you lie?


I guess I'm done discussing with you.

Hypocrite.
.





User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 02 Jul 2004 06:56:49 AM
On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:32:03 -0700, Eric Pepke wrote:

"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <laserlover2ooo@yahoo.com> wrote in
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THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH


I love Google! You get to see how this crap gets recycled from year to
year without even a title change.

Somebody should take all the Christian anti-atheist nonsense and collect
it somewhere, making a Perl script to regurgitate it every once in a
while. Unless somebody already did.

I think you just described "Church of The Painful Truth."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
.

User: "Kermit"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 01 Jul 2004 01:03:03 PM
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <laserlover2ooo@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<8nMEc.470$B%4.50521@news.uswest.net>...

THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH
In the above articles I've presented some evidence

You're plagiarizing yourself plagiarizing someone else? Or are you not
Billygoat Gruff? When you all steal from websites, it's hard to tell
who the poster is. Cut and paste is pretty generic.

that shows that even when
one foolishly assumes that the TEN COMMANDMENTS were authored by a human,
atheism, by virtue of its rejection and enmity against the TEN COMMANDMENTS
cannot elevate itself to such a noble height to author such decorous laws as
"Honor your father and your mother," "You shall not murder." "You shall not
steal," and etc. Since atheism is hotly opposed to the TEN COMMANDMENTS and
in order for the TEN COMMANDMENTS to have been authored by a human, it would
would have require a more sensible, noble and wise human than even the most
highly "learned" atheist.

You source uses UPPERCASE LETTERS, so he must be right. It's true, no
other culture honors their elders or thinks killing others or stealing
from others in the tribe is wrong.
Well, except for all of them. And the chimps. And the bonobos.


The COMMANDMENTS I presented in the above paragraph are just three of the
latter six of the COMMANDMENTS which atheism could not have authored. But
there are TEN commandments. Since atheism could not have risen to such a
level to author or appreciate any of the latter six of the TEN COMMANDMENTS,
it is no wonder that atheists can't understand that God exists -- which
pertains to the first four of the commandments. That is, atheism, by virtue
of its inability to author laws on a lower noble level that pertains to the
welfare of mankind, could not have risen to a higher level to understand the
existence of God so as to devise laws in honor of mankind's Creator.

Humans wrote the Ten Amendments in the US Bill of Rights. These are
far more civilized. Most of the authors were Deists, BTW.


These facts explain why atheists interpret the Bible as they do -- as a
volume of "babble" and full of nonexistent contradictions. Atheism is not
elevated enough to allow even its most educated subjects to understand the
Bible. Therefore the Bible puzzles them as calculus puzzles the dimwitted.

BWAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha.
<snort>
Curious that the most educated Christians don't make that claim. Makes
me feel almost as though I were surrounded by the uneducated rubes I
grew up with.


Atheism make dimwits of all its subjects and makes the most "learned" or
"educated" more dimwitted than the ignorant. Not only does atheism prevent
atheists from properly understanding the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the Bible, but
it prevents their minds from being elevated enough to understand the
simplest common sense facts.

And of course, disagreeing with you is all the evidence you have.
"Duh... I'm right and you're wrong, so there!" <Empty heads all around
nodding sagely>


For example: It is the educated atheist who get the roles of males and
females mixed up, and who think homosexuality and lesbianism are normal.

You mean, like Plato the Pagan did, whom you quote below?

It
is the atheist who can't tell whether a human is human while he or she is
yet in the womb.

According to Jewish law and Christian tradition, and your own biblical
law, it's not a child until it takes its first breath. I would be a
little more generous, but that's just me. <shrug>

It is the atheist who gets justice mixed up and who thinks
the innocent human embryo and fetus should get the penalty of death and the
criminal murderer ought to get life for his death worthy crime.

Thou shalt not kill. Unless you have a good reason. Hmmm... I have no
problem with situational ethics per se, but to justify breaking a
prima facia obligation one normally needs a conflicting principle.
Besides, I have no problem with killing muggers. But once we have 'em
locked up, I don't see any reason to give in to my anger. Of course,
I'm not Christian; I need a better reason to kill than emotions.
*Animals kill for emotional reasons. Animals which are human - at
their best - kill only for rational reasons. Does it prevent further
violence? Kill him. Is it necessary? Don't.
I'm sorry this confuses you. It confuses my cat, too.

It is the
atheist who thinks the terminally ill ought to receive the sentence of death
for their noncriminal sicknesses.

No, actually, we humanists believe that grandpa has the right to
decide for himself. We *respect our elders.

It is the atheists who condemns the
righteous and exonerates the wicked.

We humanists condemn the *self-righteous, and the prigs, and the
hypocrits, and those superstitious savages who want to turn their
particular beleifs into secular law. We control (including jail and
death) the dangerous. I don't care if you visit the same hookers Jimmy
Swaggert and Jimmy Baker do. Morality is how you treat people, not
what kind of sex you have.
You *do understand that atheists do not share values, yes? Anymore
than people who do not believe in Zeus do. There is no logical
necessity for it. But it's true that in North America, most atheists
are humanists. Humanism *is a philosophical stance.

The list of examples can go on and on.

But your source hasn't given any examples yet. Just obviously ignorant
strawmen. Clumsily presented, too. Is this the best you can steal,
Church of the Pain in the Neck?


When you talk with atheists, agnostics or any unbelievers in the true God,
you are talking with some of the biggest fools on the face of the earth.

Right. We are also arrogant, because we disagree with you. It's so
clear now! Anyone who disagrees with the source which Pain plagiarizes
is clearly an idiot.

The
atheist is like one who plucks out his eyes and then tries to see. He is
like one who closes his ears and then tries to hear. Alas, how true it is
that the so called "educated" atheists are the biggest fools on earth!

Has anyone explained to you that repeating an assertion really doesn't
make it more persuasive?


-- <snip pagan quotes and theist web sites>

Kermit
.
User: "Desdinova"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 01 Jul 2004 01:12:29 PM
"Kermit" <unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH
In the above articles I've presented some evidence


You're plagiarizing yourself plagiarizing someone else? Or are you not
Billygoat Gruff? When you all steal from websites, it's hard to tell
who the poster is. Cut and paste is pretty generic.

that shows that even when
one foolishly assumes that the TEN COMMANDMENTS were authored by a

human,

atheism, by virtue of its rejection and enmity against the TEN

COMMANDMENTS

cannot elevate itself to such a noble height to author such decorous

laws as

"Honor your father and your mother," "You shall not murder." "You shall

not

steal," and etc. Since atheism is hotly opposed to the TEN COMMANDMENTS

and

in order for the TEN COMMANDMENTS to have been authored by a human, it

would

would have require a more sensible, noble and wise human than even the

most

highly "learned" atheist.


You source uses UPPERCASE LETTERS, so he must be right. It's true, no
other culture honors their elders or thinks killing others or stealing
from others in the tribe is wrong.

Well, except for all of them. And the chimps. And the bonobos.


The COMMANDMENTS I presented in the above paragraph are just three of

the

latter six of the COMMANDMENTS which atheism could not have authored.

But

there are TEN commandments. Since atheism could not have risen to such a
level to author or appreciate any of the latter six of the TEN

COMMANDMENTS,

it is no wonder that atheists can't understand that God exists -- which
pertains to the first four of the commandments. That is, atheism, by

virtue

of its inability to author laws on a lower noble level that pertains to

the

welfare of mankind, could not have risen to a higher level to understand

the

existence of God so as to devise laws in honor of mankind's Creator.


Humans wrote the Ten Amendments in the US Bill of Rights. These are
far more civilized. Most of the authors were Deists, BTW.


These facts explain why atheists interpret the Bible as they do -- as a
volume of "babble" and full of nonexistent contradictions. Atheism is

not

elevated enough to allow even its most educated subjects to understand

the

Bible. Therefore the Bible puzzles them as calculus puzzles the

dimwitted.


BWAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha.
<snort>
Curious that the most educated Christians don't make that claim. Makes
me feel almost as though I were surrounded by the uneducated rubes I
grew up with.


Atheism make dimwits of all its subjects and makes the most "learned" or
"educated" more dimwitted than the ignorant. Not only does atheism

prevent

atheists from properly understanding the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the Bible,

but

it prevents their minds from being elevated enough to understand the
simplest common sense facts.


And of course, disagreeing with you is all the evidence you have.

"Duh... I'm right and you're wrong, so there!" <Empty heads all around
nodding sagely>


For example: It is the educated atheist who get the roles of males and
females mixed up, and who think homosexuality and lesbianism are normal.


You mean, like Plato the Pagan did, whom you quote below?

It
is the atheist who can't tell whether a human is human while he or she

is

yet in the womb.


According to Jewish law and Christian tradition, and your own biblical
law, it's not a child until it takes its first breath. I would be a
little more generous, but that's just me. <shrug>

It is the atheist who gets justice mixed up and who thinks
the innocent human embryo and fetus should get the penalty of death and

the

criminal murderer ought to get life for his death worthy crime.


Thou shalt not kill. Unless you have a good reason. Hmmm... I have no
problem with situational ethics per se, but to justify breaking a
prima facia obligation one normally needs a conflicting principle.

Besides, I have no problem with killing muggers. But once we have 'em
locked up, I don't see any reason to give in to my anger. Of course,
I'm not Christian; I need a better reason to kill than emotions.
*Animals kill for emotional reasons. Animals which are human - at
their best - kill only for rational reasons. Does it prevent further
violence? Kill him. Is it necessary? Don't.

I'm sorry this confuses you. It confuses my cat, too.

It is the
atheist who thinks the terminally ill ought to receive the sentence of

death

for their noncriminal sicknesses.


No, actually, we humanists believe that grandpa has the right to
decide for himself. We *respect our elders.

It is the atheists who condemns the
righteous and exonerates the wicked.


We humanists condemn the *self-righteous, and the prigs, and the
hypocrits, and those superstitious savages who want to turn their
particular beleifs into secular law. We control (including jail and
death) the dangerous. I don't care if you visit the same hookers Jimmy
Swaggert and Jimmy Baker do. Morality is how you treat people, not
what kind of sex you have.

You *do understand that atheists do not share values, yes? Anymore
than people who do not believe in Zeus do. There is no logical
necessity for it. But it's true that in North America, most atheists
are humanists. Humanism *is a philosophical stance.

The list of examples can go on and on.


But your source hasn't given any examples yet. Just obviously ignorant
strawmen. Clumsily presented, too. Is this the best you can steal,
Church of the Pain in the Neck?


When you talk with atheists, agnostics or any unbelievers in the true

God,

you are talking with some of the biggest fools on the face of the earth.


Right. We are also arrogant, because we disagree with you. It's so
clear now! Anyone who disagrees with the source which Pain plagiarizes
is clearly an idiot.

The
atheist is like one who plucks out his eyes and then tries to see. He is
like one who closes his ears and then tries to hear. Alas, how true it

is

that the so called "educated" atheists are the biggest fools on earth!


Has anyone explained to you that repeating an assertion really doesn't
make it more persuasive?


-- <snip pagan quotes and theist web sites>


Arguing the facts with this guy doesn't work. As soon as he figures out he's
not winning the argument he loses his ability to spell and punctuate
correctly and starts using insults. When he follows up to replies, his
vocabulary is extremely limited. I don't think he comprehends the content of
his original posts.Very probably his postings are cut and pasted from
various sources. He is a complete psycho.
--
Desdinova aa #2182
EAC Director of Separation of Church and Brain
There are none so blind as those who view life filtered
through the stained glass of church windows.
"Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human
nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth
unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion
of the human race has ever been expressed."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
.
User: "+Church of The Painful Truth+"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 02 Jul 2004 12:13:53 AM
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THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH
In the above articles I've presented some evidence


You're plagiarizing yourself plagiarizing someone else? Or are you not
Billygoat Gruff? When you all steal from websites, it's hard to tell
who the poster is. Cut and paste is pretty generic.

that shows that even when
one foolishly assumes that the TEN COMMANDMENTS were authored by a

human,

atheism, by virtue of its rejection and enmity against the TEN

COMMANDMENTS

cannot elevate itself to such a noble height to author such decorous

laws as

"Honor your father and your mother," "You shall not murder." "You

shall

not

steal," and etc. Since atheism is hotly opposed to the TEN

COMMANDMENTS

and

in order for the TEN COMMANDMENTS to have been authored by a human, it

would

would have require a more sensible, noble and wise human than even the

most

highly "learned" atheist.


You source uses UPPERCASE LETTERS, so he must be right. It's true, no
other culture honors their elders or thinks killing others or stealing
from others in the tribe is wrong.

Well, except for all of them. And the chimps. And the bonobos.


The COMMANDMENTS I presented in the above paragraph are just three of

the

latter six of the COMMANDMENTS which atheism could not have authored.

But

there are TEN commandments. Since atheism could not have risen to such

a

level to author or appreciate any of the latter six of the TEN

COMMANDMENTS,

it is no wonder that atheists can't understand that God exists --

which

pertains to the first four of the commandments. That is, atheism, by

virtue

of its inability to author laws on a lower noble level that pertains

to

the

welfare of mankind, could not have risen to a higher level to

understand

the

existence of God so as to devise laws in honor of mankind's Creator.


Humans wrote the Ten Amendments in the US Bill of Rights. These are
far more civilized. Most of the authors were Deists, BTW.


These facts explain why atheists interpret the Bible as they do -- as

a

volume of "babble" and full of nonexistent contradictions. Atheism is

not

elevated enough to allow even its most educated subjects to understand

the

Bible. Therefore the Bible puzzles them as calculus puzzles the

dimwitted.


BWAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha.
<snort>
Curious that the most educated Christians don't make that claim. Makes
me feel almost as though I were surrounded by the uneducated rubes I
grew up with.


Atheism make dimwits of all its subjects and makes the most "learned"

or

"educated" more dimwitted than the ignorant. Not only does atheism

prevent

atheists from properly understanding the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the

Bible,

but

it prevents their minds from being elevated enough to understand the
simplest common sense facts.


And of course, disagreeing with you is all the evidence you have.

"Duh... I'm right and you're wrong, so there!" <Empty heads all around
nodding sagely>


For example: It is the educated atheist who get the roles of males and
females mixed up, and who think homosexuality and lesbianism are

normal.


You mean, like Plato the Pagan did, whom you quote below?

It
is the atheist who can't tell whether a human is human while he or she

is

yet in the womb.


According to Jewish law and Christian tradition, and your own biblical
law, it's not a child until it takes its first breath. I would be a
little more generous, but that's just me. <shrug>

It is the atheist who gets justice mixed up and who thinks
the innocent human embryo and fetus should get the penalty of death

and

the

criminal murderer ought to get life for his death worthy crime.


Thou shalt not kill. Unless you have a good reason. Hmmm... I have no
problem with situational ethics per se, but to justify breaking a
prima facia obligation one normally needs a conflicting principle.

Besides, I have no problem with killing muggers. But once we have 'em
locked up, I don't see any reason to give in to my anger. Of course,
I'm not Christian; I need a better reason to kill than emotions.
*Animals kill for emotional reasons. Animals which are human - at
their best - kill only for rational reasons. Does it prevent further
violence? Kill him. Is it necessary? Don't.

I'm sorry this confuses you. It confuses my cat, too.

It is the
atheist who thinks the terminally ill ought to receive the sentence of

death

for their noncriminal sicknesses.


No, actually, we humanists believe that grandpa has the right to
decide for himself. We *respect our elders.

It is the atheists who condemns the
righteous and exonerates the wicked.


We humanists condemn the *self-righteous, and the prigs, and the
hypocrits, and those superstitious savages who want to turn their
particular beleifs into secular law. We control (including jail and
death) the dangerous. I don't care if you visit the same hookers Jimmy
Swaggert and Jimmy Baker do. Morality is how you treat people, not
what kind of sex you have.

You *do understand that atheists do not share values, yes? Anymore
than people who do not believe in Zeus do. There is no logical
necessity for it. But it's true that in North America, most atheists
are humanists. Humanism *is a philosophical stance.

The list of examples can go on and on.


But your source hasn't given any examples yet. Just obviously ignorant
strawmen. Clumsily presented, too. Is this the best you can steal,
Church of the Pain in the Neck?


When you talk with atheists, agnostics or any unbelievers in the true

God,

you are talking with some of the biggest fools on the face of the

earth.


Right. We are also arrogant, because we disagree with you. It's so
clear now! Anyone who disagrees with the source which Pain plagiarizes
is clearly an idiot.

The
atheist is like one who plucks out his eyes and then tries to see. He

is

like one who closes his ears and then tries to hear. Alas, how true it

is

that the so called "educated" atheists are the biggest fools on earth!


Has anyone explained to you that repeating an assertion really doesn't
make it more persuasive?


-- <snip pagan quotes and theist web sites>




Arguing the facts with this guy doesn't work. As soon as he figures out

he's

not winning the argument he loses his ability to spell and punctuate
correctly and starts using insults. When he follows up to replies, his
vocabulary is extremely limited. I don't think he comprehends the content

of

his original posts.Very probably his postings are cut and pasted from
various sources. He is a complete psycho.

--
Desdinova aa #2182
EAC Director of Separation of Church and Brain

There are none so blind as those who view life filtered
through the stained glass of church windows.

"Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human
nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth
unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion
of the human race has ever been expressed."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll


Get behind me evil witch
.
User: "Desdinova"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 02 Jul 2004 11:23:53 AM
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <laserlover2ooo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Kermit" <unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <laserlover2ooo@yahoo.com> > >

<snip plagiarized material>

Arguing the facts with this guy doesn't work. As soon as he figures out

he's

not winning the argument he loses his ability to spell and punctuate
correctly and starts using insults. When he follows up to replies, his
vocabulary is extremely limited. I don't think he comprehends the

content

of

his original posts.Very probably his postings are cut and pasted from
various sources. He is a complete psycho.

<snip my original signature>


Get behind me evil witch

I rest my case.
--
Desdinova aa #2182
EAC Director of Separation of Church and Brain
"Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human
nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth
unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion
of the human race has ever been expressed."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
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User: "Desdinova"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 02 Jul 2004 09:09:19 AM
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<snip>

Get behind me evil witch

That's "Most Exalted Grand Wizard" to you Ambrosini.
--
Desdinova aa #2182
EAC Director of Separation of Church and Brain
"Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human
nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth
unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion
of the human race has ever been expressed."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
.
User: "Desdinova"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 02 Jul 2004 09:23:47 AM
--
Desdinova aa #2182
EAC Director of Separation of Church and Brain
"Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human
nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth
unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion
of the human race has ever been expressed."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
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<snip>

Get behind me evil witch


That's "Most Exalted Grand Wizard" to you Ambrosini.

D'OH! That sounds too much like a KKK title.
Desdinova wishes to make it known that he is not a member of nor does he
endorse the KKK or any of it's actions. Actually he hates the bastards!
He simply has not enough his caffeine this morning.
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 02 Jul 2004 08:25:20 AM
In article <Y06Fc.81$Uz5.44924@news.uswest.net>, +Church of The Painful Truth+
says...snip


Get behind me evil witch

Are you trolling for anal sex now?
--------------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 03 Jul 2004 11:03:21 AM
Great Lord Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Fri, 02 Jul 2004
13:25:20 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.

In article <Y06Fc.81$Uz5.44924@news.uswest.net>, +Church of The Painful Truth+
says...snip


Get behind me evil witch


Are you trolling for anal sex now?

She turned me into a newt!
I got better....
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
.
User: "Kathy"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 04 Jul 2004 08:33:51 AM
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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Great Lord Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Fri, 02 Jul 2004
13:25:20 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.

In article <Y06Fc.81$Uz5.44924@news.uswest.net>, +Church of The Painful

Truth+

says...snip


Get behind me evil witch


Are you trolling for anal sex now?


She turned me into a newt!

(snip punch line)
For years my husband thought that the line was "She turned me into a mute"
which is, arguably, funnier.
Kathy aa #1802
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User: "Desdinova"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 03 Jul 2004 12:05:17 PM
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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Great Lord Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Fri, 02 Jul 2004
13:25:20 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.

In article <Y06Fc.81$Uz5.44924@news.uswest.net>, +Church of The Painful

Truth+

says...snip


Get behind me evil witch


Are you trolling for anal sex now?


She turned me into a newt!

Did you get better?
--
Desdinova aa #2182
EAC Director of Separation of Church and Brain
"Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human
nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth
unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion
of the human race has ever been expressed."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll

































I got better....
--

Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.

.





User: "Puck Greenman"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 01 Jul 2004 02:24:31 PM
On 1 Jul 2004 11:03:03 -0700,
(Kermit)
with calm deliberation, and malace aforethought, wrote:

You're plagiarizing yourself plagiarizing someone else? Or are you not
Billygoat Gruff? When you all steal from websites, it's hard to tell
who the poster is. Cut and paste is pretty generic.

At least he aint plagiarizing an honest man's site.
Puck Greenman

#162

BAAWA Knight.

Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
.


User: "Hypatia Kosh"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 01 Jul 2004 01:23:30 PM
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <laserlover2ooo@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<8nMEc.470$B%4.50521@news.uswest.net>...

THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH
In the above articles I've presented some evidence that shows that even when
one foolishly assumes that the TEN COMMANDMENTS were authored by a human,

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3d6e782e%40corp-news.newsgroups.com
Dumbass.
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User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 01 Jul 2004 12:40:06 AM
Forwarded to

.

User: "+Truth of the Painful Church+"

Title: COTPT:THE BIGGEST FOOL ON EARTH 01 Jul 2004 03:31:51 AM
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:35:52 -0700, "+Church of The Painful Truth+"
<laserlover2ooo@yahoo.com> wrote:

THE BIGGEST FOOL ON EARTH

You certainly are:
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=%22RAYMOND+AMBROSINI%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=16d055f3.0308161234.238b1380%40posting.google.com&rnum=1
Surferdude425@aol.com (Quicksword) wrote in message
news:<16d055f3.0308031341.489185d3@posting.google.com>...

Seems like Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini likes to post personal
information about people within the Bigfoot Community on this board,
his "High Desert BF Board", and Erik Beckjord's to name a few.

Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini who lives in Fountain Hills/Scottsdale
Arizona has posted personal info such as people's driver's licenses,
their home addresses, financial background and other vile stuff.

Ray, and also known as Raytard on this board states that he is a
pilot. Ray Michael Ambrosini goes on to state that he is a WEALTHY
person with a multi-million dollar inheritance,,and it goes on and on.

Since Ray likes to post people's personal information, then we thought
that it would only be fair to post info on him as follows:

Consultation with the FAA shows NO pilot's license for Raymond Michael
Ambrosini. Nor have they ever heard of the name. So it looks like
you ARE NOT A pilot RAY! And all of this BS you have floated about
you "having the best job in the world with your office at 30,000 feet
is pure horse pucky!

GEEZ Ray if you are a pilot-how come the FAA and FCC does not know who
you are.
Federal Licenses
FAA License
No FAA Licenses Found for RAYMOND AMBROSINI

FCC License
No FCC Licenses Found for RAYMOND AMBROSINI


OH WAIT,,there is ALOT MORE!

Ray has had at least 8 different addresses in the last 10 years. One
of them being a trailer park in Illinois. So all of that BS Ray about
your having no respect for "Trailer Trash" is PRETTY FUNNY, since you
sold your trailer in Illinois before coming to Arizona. Heah Ray,,did
that $18K that you got for the rats nest fund your trip to Phoenix?

OH WAIT,,,there is ALOT MORE!

Ray has posted financial information about a few others in the BF
arena,,and in particular someone's supposed personal bankrupcy. Ray
has posted this supposed person's bankrupcy at least a dozen times on
this board, his HIGH DESERT BOARD,,AND Erik Beckjord's board. NOW
folks,,this is going to rupture your GONADS!!!!!

Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini and his wife Concetta (She goes by
Connie) filed for CHAPTER 7 bankrupcy in ARIZONA on January 27/2000.
Heah Ray, was that CASE# 0000841PHX, filed in Phoenix and discharged
on 5/31/2000.

OH WAIT,,,there is ALOT MORE!

What is this thing about you and "Connie" having MULTIPLE name
spellings along with those MULTIPLE addresses over the past 10 years.
Can you not spell your name correctly? Is it Ambrosin, Ambrosini, ad
infinitum? AND, why does "CONCETTA" use the surname "GRIECO" when she
is married to you? Is it Connie Ambrosin, Concetta Ambrosini, Connie
Grieco, Concetta Grieco or something else?

OH WAIT,,,it gets better,,AND we are leaving all the rest of it for
another time.

Heah folks,,here is a guy that states that he is a pilot and is RICH
and slams that into people's faces,,and yet he cannot afford to pay
for the tabs on his car. You see,,,Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini has
NO REGISTRATION on his car and was pulled over in 2000 for being a bad
boy. Seems like a PILOT could at least pay the $500 bucks for
registration like the rest of us.

KEEP TUNED,,,cause we have so much more. Heah Ray,,next chapter coming
up for all to see what a liar and phoney you are. The really juicy
stuff is coming for all to see what a liar and coward you are Ray.
Maybe we will send you some nice flowers on September 16th to
celebrate your birthday. Many thanks to one of your butt buddies for
all of the help! Geez Ray, you sure don't know your friends from your
enemies anymore huh!!!

MORE RAYMOND MICHAEL AND CONCETTA AMBROSINI's SAD HOAXED LIFE- AKA
RT, John Steele, Raymond Jerrold and others.
Bankruptcies
Court Location: ARIZONA - PHOENIX
Case Number: 0000841
Date Filed: 01/27/2000
Discharge Date: 05/31/2000
Debtor Name: AMBROSINI RAYMOND MICHAEL
Address: 11022 N INDIGO DR APT 118, FOUNTAIN HLS, AZ 85268-5449
Address: 11022 N INDIGO DR APT 118, FOUNTAIN HLS, AZ 85268-5449
OH WAIT-THERE IS MORE: Seems like "Concetta/Connie Ambrosini" has had
a whole bunch of addresses in the past 10 years-and all over the
country-and at the same time.
AMBROSINI CONCETTA J - 7612 159TH PL, TINLEY PARK, IL 60477
From 6/1992 to 6/2001
AMBROSINI CONCETTA J - 16715 E EL LAGO BLVD UNIT 201, FOUNTAIN HILLS,
AZ 85268
From 12/1997 to 4/1999
AMBROSINI CONCETTA - PO BOX 479, CINCINNATI, OH 45263
From 3/1999 to 3/1999
AMBROSINI CONCETTA J - 7612 E EL LAGO # 159, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85268
From 3/1999 to 3/1999
AMBROSINI CONCETTA - 201 SUITE, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85268
From 12/1997 to 1/1999
AMBROSINI CONNIE - 7156 W 127TH ST APT 125, PALOS HEIGHTS, IL 60463
From 2/1998 to 1/1999
AMBROSINI CONCETTA - PO BOX 18110, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85269
From 7/1997 to 7/1997
AMBROSINI CONCETTA - 7612 159TH PL TINLEY PR W, COUNTRY CLUB HILLS, IL
60478
From 6/1997 to 6/1997
AMBROSINI CONCETTA - PO BOX 1811, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85268
From 6/1997 to 6/1997
AMBROSINI CONNIE - 17612 W 159TH PL, TINLEY PARK, IL 60477
From 2/1992 to 1/1996
GRIECO CONCETTA - 102 FLAMINGO DR, BEECHER, IL 60401
From 2/1989 to 1/1995
AMBROSINI CONCETTA - GENERAL DELIVERY, TINLEY PARK, IL 60477
From 3/1992 to 3/1992
OH WAIT-THERE IS A LOT MORE Coming-The most juiciest will suck all of
the fun out of Raytard's little puppet circus.
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User: "+Church of The Painful Truth+"

Title: Re: COTPT:THE BIGGEST FOOL ON EARTH 02 Jul 2004 12:14:44 AM
"+Truth of the Painful Church+" <iam@work.NET> wrote in message
news:lui7e09kp4lbde1fmqsm4k9bb3al4neo3a@4ax.com...

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:35:52 -0700, "+Church of The Painful Truth+"
<laserlover2ooo@yahoo.com> wrote:

THE BIGGEST FOOL ON EARTH


You certainly are:


http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=%22RAYMOND+AMBROSINI%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=16d055f3.0308161234.238b1380%40posting.google.com&rnum=1


Surferdude425@aol.com (Quicksword) wrote in message
news:<16d055f3.0308031341.489185d3@posting.google.com>...

Seems like Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini likes to post personal
information about people within the Bigfoot Community on this board,
his "High Desert BF Board", and Erik Beckjord's to name a few.

Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini who lives in Fountain Hills/Scottsdale
Arizona has posted personal info such as people's driver's licenses,
their home addresses, financial background and other vile stuff.

Ray, and also known as Raytard on this board states that he is a
pilot. Ray Michael Ambrosini goes on to state that he is a WEALTHY
person with a multi-million dollar inheritance,,and it goes on and on.

Since Ray likes to post people's personal information, then we thought
that it would only be fair to post info on him as follows:

Consultation with the FAA shows NO pilot's license for Raymond Michael
Ambrosini. Nor have they ever heard of the name. So it looks like
you ARE NOT A pilot RAY! And all of this BS you have floated about
you "having the best job in the world with your office at 30,000 feet
is pure horse pucky!


GEEZ Ray if you are a pilot-how come the FAA and FCC does not know who
you are.

Federal Licenses

FAA License
No FAA Licenses Found for RAYMOND AMBROSINI


FCC License
No FCC Licenses Found for RAYMOND AMBROSINI


OH WAIT,,there is ALOT MORE!

Ray has had at least 8 different addresses in the last 10 years. One
of them being a trailer park in Illinois. So all of that BS Ray about
your having no respect for "Trailer Trash" is PRETTY FUNNY, since you
sold your trailer in Illinois before coming to Arizona. Heah Ray,,did
that $18K that you got for the rats nest fund your trip to Phoenix?

OH WAIT,,,there is ALOT MORE!

Ray has posted financial information about a few others in the BF
arena,,and in particular someone's supposed personal bankrupcy. Ray
has posted this supposed person's bankrupcy at least a dozen times on
this board, his HIGH DESERT BOARD,,AND Erik Beckjord's board. NOW
folks,,this is going to rupture your GONADS!!!!!

Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini and his wife Concetta (She goes by
Connie) filed for CHAPTER 7 bankrupcy in ARIZONA on January 27/2000.
Heah Ray, was that CASE# 0000841PHX, filed in Phoenix and discharged
on 5/31/2000.

OH WAIT,,,there is ALOT MORE!

What is this thing about you and "Connie" having MULTIPLE name
spellings along with those MULTIPLE addresses over the past 10 years.
Can you not spell your name correctly? Is it Ambrosin, Ambrosini, ad
infinitum? AND, why does "CONCETTA" use the surname "GRIECO" when she
is married to you? Is it Connie Ambrosin, Concetta Ambrosini, Connie
Grieco, Concetta Grieco or something else?

OH WAIT,,,it gets better,,AND we are leaving all the rest of it for
another time.

Heah folks,,here is a guy that states that he is a pilot and is RICH
and slams that into people's faces,,and yet he cannot afford to pay
for the tabs on his car. You see,,,Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini has
NO REGISTRATION on his car and was pulled over in 2000 for being a bad
boy. Seems like a PILOT could at least pay the $500 bucks for
registration like the rest of us.

KEEP TUNED,,,cause we have so much more. Heah Ray,,next chapter coming
up for all to see what a liar and phoney you are. The really juicy
stuff is coming for all to see what a liar and coward you are Ray.
Maybe we will send you some nice flowers on September 16th to
celebrate your birthday. Many thanks to one of your butt buddies for
all of the help! Geez Ray, you sure don't know your friends from your
enemies anymore huh!!!


MORE RAYMOND MICHAEL AND CONCETTA AMBROSINI's SAD HOAXED LIFE- AKA
RT, John Steele, Raymond Jerrold and others.

Bankruptcies
Court Location: ARIZONA - PHOENIX
Case Number: 0000841
Date Filed: 01/27/2000
Discharge Date: 05/31/2000

Debtor Name: AMBROSINI RAYMOND MICHAEL
Address: 11022 N INDIGO DR APT 118, FOUNTAIN HLS, AZ 85268-5449
Address: 11022 N INDIGO DR APT 118, FOUNTAIN HLS, AZ 85268-5449

OH WAIT-THERE IS MORE: Seems like "Concetta/Connie Ambrosini" has had
a whole bunch of addresses in the past 10 years-and all over the
country-and at the same time.

AMBROSINI CONCETTA J - 7612 159TH PL, TINLEY PARK, IL 60477
From 6/1992 to 6/2001

AMBROSINI CONCETTA J - 16715 E EL LAGO BLVD UNIT 201, FOUNTAIN HILLS,
AZ 85268
From 12/1997 to 4/1999

AMBROSINI CONCETTA - PO BOX 479, CINCINNATI, OH 45263
From 3/1999 to 3/1999

AMBROSINI CONCETTA J - 7612 E EL LAGO # 159, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85268
From 3/1999 to 3/1999

AMBROSINI CONCETTA - 201 SUITE, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85268
From 12/1997 to 1/1999

AMBROSINI CONNIE - 7156 W 127TH ST APT 125, PALOS HEIGHTS, IL 60463
From 2/1998 to 1/1999

AMBROSINI CONCETTA - PO BOX 18110, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85269
From 7/1997 to 7/1997

AMBROSINI CONCETTA - 7612 159TH PL TINLEY PR W, COUNTRY CLUB HILLS, IL
60478
From 6/1997 to 6/1997

AMBROSINI CONCETTA - PO BOX 1811, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85268
From 6/1997 to 6/1997

AMBROSINI CONNIE - 17612 W 159TH PL, TINLEY PARK, IL 60477
From 2/1992 to 1/1996

GRIECO CONCETTA - 102 FLAMINGO DR, BEECHER, IL 60401
From 2/1989 to 1/1995

AMBROSINI CONCETTA - GENERAL DELIVERY, TINLEY PARK, IL 60477
From 3/1992 to 3/1992

OH WAIT-THERE IS A LOT MORE Coming-The most juiciest will suck all of
the fun out of Raytard's little puppet circus.

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HAHA !! Nice try,no cigar
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User: "+Truth of The Painful Church+"

Title: Re: COTPT:THE BIGGEST FOOL ON EARTH 02 Jul 2004 06:14:59 AM
On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:14:44 -0700, "+Church of The Painful Truth+"
<laserlover2ooo@yahoo.com> wrote:


"+Truth of the Painful Church+" <iam@work.NET> wrote in message
news:lui7e09kp4lbde1fmqsm4k9bb3al4neo3a@4ax.com...

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:35:52 -0700, "+Church of The Painful Truth+"
<laserlover2ooo@yahoo.com> wrote:



HAHA big fat cigar!!


http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=%22RAYMOND+AMBROSINI%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=16d055f3.0308161234.238b1380%40posting.google.com&rnum=1
Surferdude425@aol.com (Quicksword) wrote in message
news:<16d055f3.0308031341.489185d3@posting.google.com>...

Seems like Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini likes to post personal
information about people within the Bigfoot Community on this board,
his "High Desert BF Board", and Erik Beckjord's to name a few.

Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini who lives in Fountain Hills/Scottsdale
Arizona has posted personal info such as people's driver's licenses,
their home addresses, financial background and other vile stuff.

Ray, and also known as Raytard on this board states that he is a
pilot. Ray Michael Ambrosini goes on to state that he is a WEALTHY
person with a multi-million dollar inheritance,,and it goes on and on.

Since Ray likes to post people's personal information, then we thought
that it would only be fair to post info on him as follows:

Consultation with the FAA shows NO pilot's license for Raymond Michael
Ambrosini. Nor have they ever heard of the name. So it looks like
you ARE NOT A pilot RAY! And all of this BS you have floated about
you "having the best job in the world with your office at 30,000 feet
is pure horse pucky!

GEEZ Ray if you are a pilot-how come the FAA and FCC does not know who
you are.
Federal Licenses
FAA License
No FAA Licenses Found for RAYMOND AMBROSINI

FCC License
No FCC Licenses Found for RAYMOND AMBROSINI


OH WAIT,,there is ALOT MORE!

Ray has had at least 8 different addresses in the last 10 years. One
of them being a trailer park in Illinois. So all of that BS Ray about
your having no respect for "Trailer Trash" is PRETTY FUNNY, since you
sold your trailer in Illinois before coming to Arizona. Heah Ray,,did
that $18K that you got for the rats nest fund your trip to Phoenix?

OH WAIT,,,there is ALOT MORE!

Ray has posted financial information about a few others in the BF
arena,,and in particular someone's supposed personal bankrupcy. Ray
has posted this supposed person's bankrupcy at least a dozen times on
this board, his HIGH DESERT BOARD,,AND Erik Beckjord's board. NOW
folks,,this is going to rupture your GONADS!!!!!

Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini and his wife Concetta (She goes by
Connie) filed for CHAPTER 7 bankrupcy in ARIZONA on January 27/2000.
Heah Ray, was that CASE# 0000841PHX, filed in Phoenix and discharged
on 5/31/2000.

OH WAIT,,,there is ALOT MORE!

What is this thing about you and "Connie" having MULTIPLE name
spellings along with those MULTIPLE addresses over the past 10 years.
Can you not spell your name correctly? Is it Ambrosin, Ambrosini, ad
infinitum? AND, why does "CONCETTA" use the surname "GRIECO" when she
is married to you? Is it Connie Ambrosin, Concetta Ambrosini, Connie
Grieco, Concetta Grieco or something else?

OH WAIT,,,it gets better,,AND we are leaving all the rest of it for
another time.

Heah folks,,here is a guy that states that he is a pilot and is RICH
and slams that into people's faces,,and yet he cannot afford to pay
for the tabs on his car. You see,,,Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini has
NO REGISTRATION on his car and was pulled over in 2000 for being a bad
boy. Seems like a PILOT could at least pay the $500 bucks for
registration like the rest of us.

KEEP TUNED,,,cause we have so much more. Heah Ray,,next chapter coming
up for all to see what a liar and phoney you are. The really juicy
stuff is coming for all to see what a liar and coward you are Ray.
Maybe we will send you some nice flowers on September 16th to
celebrate your birthday. Many thanks to one of your butt buddies for
all of the help! Geez Ray, you sure don't know your friends from your
enemies anymore huh!!!

MORE RAYMOND MICHAEL AND CONCETTA AMBROSINI's SAD HOAXED LIFE- AKA
RT, John Steele, Raymond Jerrold and others.
Bankruptcies
Court Location: ARIZONA - PHOENIX
Case Number: 0000841
Date Filed: 01/27/2000
Discharge Date: 05/31/2000
Debtor Name: AMBROSINI RAYMOND MICHAEL
Address: 11022 N INDIGO DR APT 118, FOUNTAIN HLS, AZ 85268-5449
Address: 11022 N INDIGO DR APT 118, FOUNTAIN HLS, AZ 85268-5449
OH WAIT-THERE IS MORE: Seems like "Concetta/Connie Ambrosini" has had
a whole bunch of addresses in the past 10 years-and all over the
country-and at the same time.
AMBROSINI CONCETTA J - 7612 159TH PL, TINLEY PARK, IL 60477
From 6/1992 to 6/2001
AMBROSINI CONCETTA J - 16715 E EL LAGO BLVD UNIT 201, FOUNTAIN HILLS,
AZ 85268
From 12/1997 to 4/1999
AMBROSINI CONCETTA - PO BOX 479, CINCINNATI, OH 45263
From 3/1999 to 3/1999
AMBROSINI CONCETTA J - 7612 E EL LAGO # 159, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85268
From 3/1999 to 3/1999
AMBROSINI CONCETTA - 201 SUITE, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85268
From 12/1997 to 1/1999
AMBROSINI CONNIE - 7156 W 127TH ST APT 125, PALOS HEIGHTS, IL 60463
From 2/1998 to 1/1999
AMBROSINI CONCETTA - PO BOX 18110, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85269
From 7/1997 to 7/1997
AMBROSINI CONCETTA - 7612 159TH PL TINLEY PR W, COUNTRY CLUB HILLS, IL
60478
From 6/1997 to 6/1997
AMBROSINI CONCETTA - PO BOX 1811, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85268
From 6/1997 to 6/1997
AMBROSINI CONNIE - 17612 W 159TH PL, TINLEY PARK, IL 60477
From 2/1992 to 1/1996
GRIECO CONCETTA - 102 FLAMINGO DR, BEECHER, IL 60401
From 2/1989 to 1/1995
AMBROSINI CONCETTA - GENERAL DELIVERY, TINLEY PARK, IL 60477
From 3/1992 to 3/1992
OH WAIT-THERE IS A LOT MORE Coming-The most juiciest will suck all of
the fun out of Raytard's little puppet circus.
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User: "Barry OGrady"

Title: Re: COTPT:THE BIGGEST FOOL ON EARTH 02 Jul 2004 08:00:26 AM
On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 09:31:51 +0100, +Truth of the Painful Church+ <iam@work.NET> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:35:52 -0700, "+Church of The Painful Truth+"
<laserlover2ooo@yahoo.com> wrote:

THE BIGGEST FOOL ON EARTH


You certainly are:

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=%22RAYMOND+AMBROSINI%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=16d055f3.0308161234.238b1380%40posting.google.com&rnum=1

Surferdude425@aol.com (Quicksword) wrote in message
news:<16d055f3.0308031341.489185d3@posting.google.com>...

Seems like Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini likes to post personal
information about people within the Bigfoot Community on this board,
his "High Desert BF Board", and Erik Beckjord's to name a few.

Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini who lives in Fountain Hills/Scottsdale
Arizona has posted personal info such as people's driver's licenses,
their home addresses, financial background and other vile stuff.

Ray, and also known as Raytard on this board states that he is a
pilot. Ray Michael Ambrosini goes on to state that he is a WEALTHY
person with a multi-million dollar inheritance,,and it goes on and on.

Since Ray likes to post people's personal information, then we thought
that it would only be fair to post info on him as follows:

Consultation with the FAA shows NO pilot's license for Raymond Michael
Ambrosini. Nor have they ever heard of the name. So it looks like
you ARE NOT A pilot RAY! And all of this BS you have floated about
you "having the best job in the world with your office at 30,000 feet
is pure horse pucky!


GEEZ Ray if you are a pilot-how come the FAA and FCC does not know who
you are.

Federal Licenses

FAA License
No FAA Licenses Found for RAYMOND AMBROSINI


FCC License
No FCC Licenses Found for RAYMOND AMBROSINI


OH WAIT,,there is ALOT MORE!

No entries found for alot.


Ray has had at least 8 different addresses in the last 10 years. One
of them being a trailer park in Illinois. So all of that BS Ray about
your having no respect for "Trailer Trash" is PRETTY FUNNY, since you
sold your trailer in Illinois before coming to Arizona. Heah Ray,,did
that $18K that you got for the rats nest fund your trip to Phoenix?

OH WAIT,,,there is ALOT MORE!

Ray has posted financial information about a few others in the BF
arena,,and in particular someone's supposed personal bankrupcy. Ray
has posted this supposed person's bankrupcy at least a dozen times on
this board, his HIGH DESERT BOARD,,AND Erik Beckjord's board. NOW
folks,,this is going to rupture your GONADS!!!!!

Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini and his wife Concetta (She goes by
Connie) filed for CHAPTER 7 bankrupcy in ARIZONA on January 27/2000.
Heah Ray, was that CASE# 0000841PHX, filed in Phoenix and discharged
on 5/31/2000.

OH WAIT,,,there is ALOT MORE!

What is this thing about you and "Connie" having MULTIPLE name
spellings along with those MULTIPLE addresses over the past 10 years.
Can you not spell your name correctly? Is it Ambrosin, Ambrosini, ad
infinitum? AND, why does "CONCETTA" use the surname "GRIECO" when she
is married to you? Is it Connie Ambrosin, Concetta Ambrosini, Connie
Grieco, Concetta Grieco or something else?

OH WAIT,,,it gets better,,AND we are leaving all the rest of it for
another time.

Heah folks,,here is a guy that states that he is a pilot and is RICH
and slams that into people's faces,,and yet he cannot afford to pay
for the tabs on his car. You see,,,Mr. Raymond Michael Ambrosini has
NO REGISTRATION on his car and was pulled over in 2000 for being a bad
boy. Seems like a PILOT could at least pay the $500 bucks for
registration like the rest of us.

KEEP TUNED,,,cause we have so much more. Heah Ray,,next chapter coming
up for all to see what a liar and phoney you are. The really juicy
stuff is coming for all to see what a liar and coward you are Ray.
Maybe we will send you some nice flowers on September 16th to
celebrate your birthday. Many thanks to one of your butt buddies for
all of the help! Geez Ray, you sure don't know your friends from your
enemies anymore huh!!!


MORE RAYMOND MICHAEL AND CONCETTA AMBROSINI's SAD HOAXED LIFE- AKA
RT, John Steele, Raymond Jerrold and others.

Bankruptcies
Court Location: ARIZONA - PHOENIX
Case Number: 0000841
Date Filed: 01/27/2000
Discharge Date: 05/31/2000

Debtor Name: AMBROSINI RAYMOND MICHAEL
Address: 11022 N INDIGO DR APT 118, FOUNTAIN HLS, AZ 85268-5449
Address: 11022 N INDIGO DR APT 118, FOUNTAIN HLS, AZ 85268-5449

OH WAIT-THERE IS MORE: Seems like "Concetta/Connie Ambrosini" has had
a whole bunch of addresses in the past 10 years-and all over the
country-and at the same time.

AMBROSINI CONCETTA J - 7612 159TH PL, TINLEY PARK, IL 60477
From 6/1992 to 6/2001

AMBROSINI CONCETTA J - 16715 E EL LAGO BLVD UNIT 201, FOUNTAIN HILLS,
AZ 85268
From 12/1997 to 4/1999

AMBROSINI CONCETTA - PO BOX 479, CINCINNATI, OH 45263
From 3/1999 to 3/1999

AMBROSINI CONCETTA J - 7612 E EL LAGO # 159, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85268
From 3/1999 to 3/1999

AMBROSINI CONCETTA - 201 SUITE, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85268
From 12/1997 to 1/1999

AMBROSINI CONNIE - 7156 W 127TH ST APT 125, PALOS HEIGHTS, IL 60463
From 2/1998 to 1/1999

AMBROSINI CONCETTA - PO BOX 18110, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85269
From 7/1997 to 7/1997

AMBROSINI CONCETTA - 7612 159TH PL TINLEY PR W, COUNTRY CLUB HILLS, IL
60478
From 6/1997 to 6/1997

AMBROSINI CONCETTA - PO BOX 1811, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ 85268
From 6/1997 to 6/1997

AMBROSINI CONNIE - 17612 W 159TH PL, TINLEY PARK, IL 60477
From 2/1992 to 1/1996

GRIECO CONCETTA - 102 FLAMINGO DR, BEECHER, IL 60401
From 2/1989 to 1/1995

AMBROSINI CONCETTA - GENERAL DELIVERY, TINLEY PARK, IL 60477
From 3/1992 to 3/1992

OH WAIT-THERE IS A LOT MORE Coming-The most juiciest will suck all of
the fun out of Raytard's little puppet circus.

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User: ""

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 30 Jun 2004 11:56:37 PM
Perhaps you should have read the Gospel of Matthew before you posted this .
..
Matt 5:22: "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother
without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say
to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall
say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. "
Well, Buddy, looks like you're in danger of hell fire. Not my opinion, I'm
just quoting from your book . . .
-Tock
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <laserlover2ooo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8nMEc.470$B%4.50521@news.uswest.net...

THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH
In the above articles I've presented some evidence that shows that even

when

one foolishly assumes that the TEN COMMANDMENTS were authored by a human,
atheism, by virtue of its rejection and enmity against the TEN

COMMANDMENTS

cannot elevate itself to such a noble height to author such decorous laws

as

"Honor your father and your mother," "You shall not murder." "You shall

not

steal," and etc. Since atheism is hotly opposed to the TEN COMMANDMENTS

and

in order for the TEN COMMANDMENTS to have been authored by a human, it

would

would have require a more sensible, noble and wise human than even the

most

highly "learned" atheist.

The COMMANDMENTS I presented in the above paragraph are just three of the
latter six of the COMMANDMENTS which atheism could not have authored. But
there are TEN commandments. Since atheism could not have risen to such a
level to author or appreciate any of the latter six of the TEN

COMMANDMENTS,

it is no wonder that atheists can't understand that God exists -- which
pertains to the first four of the commandments. That is, atheism, by

virtue

of its inability to author laws on a lower noble level that pertains to

the

welfare of mankind, could not have risen to a higher level to understand

the

existence of God so as to devise laws in honor of mankind's Creator.

These facts explain why atheists interpret the Bible as they do -- as a
volume of "babble" and full of nonexistent contradictions. Atheism is not
elevated enough to allow even its most educated subjects to understand the
Bible. Therefore the Bible puzzles them as calculus puzzles the dimwitted.

Atheism make dimwits of all its subjects and makes the most "learned" or
"educated" more dimwitted than the ignorant. Not only does atheism prevent
atheists from properly understanding the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the Bible,

but

it prevents their minds from being elevated enough to understand the
simplest common sense facts.

For example: It is the educated atheist who get the roles of males and
females mixed up, and who think homosexuality and lesbianism are normal.

It

is the atheist who can't tell whether a human is human while he or she is
yet in the womb. It is the atheist who gets justice mixed up and who

thinks

the innocent human embryo and fetus should get the penalty of death and

the

criminal murderer ought to get life for his death worthy crime. It is the
atheist who thinks the terminally ill ought to receive the sentence of

death

for their noncriminal sicknesses. It is the atheists who condemns the
righteous and exonerates the wicked. The list of examples can go on and

on.


When you talk with atheists, agnostics or any unbelievers in the true God,
you are talking with some of the biggest fools on the face of the earth.

The

atheist is like one who plucks out his eyes and then tries to see. He is
like one who closes his ears and then tries to hear. Alas, how true it is
that the so called "educated" atheists are the biggest fools on earth!


--

The Atheist Fools Network
http://www.atheistfools.com
"Few men are so obstinate in their atheism, that a pressing danger will

not

compel them to acknowledgment of a divine power....."
Plato

"Atheism is a disease of the soul before it becomes an error of
understanding....."
Plato

"No one ever dies an atheist....."
Plato
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http://www.christian-astronomers.org/

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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: ATHEISTS:THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH 01 Jul 2004 09:58:31 AM
On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 04:56:37 +0000 in episode
<9QMEc.9640$t23.4914@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com> we saw our hero
<tock@sbcglobal.net>:

Perhaps you should have read the Gospel of Matthew before you posted this

Read?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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