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"Drew" |
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10 Oct 2003 01:51:56 PM |
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Athiests' political inclination? |
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
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| User: "Dr. DuFonet" |
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| Title: Re: Athiests' political inclination? |
11 Oct 2003 10:58:12 AM |
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"Drew" <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:910eovo58nmb7l8a2ju84a6ap0chhh4ced@4ax.com...
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
The best political view is to be against everything. Politics is mass
delusion similar to religion.
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| User: "Fester" |
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10 Oct 2003 04:27:15 PM |
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"Drew" <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:910eovo58nmb7l8a2ju84a6ap0chhh4ced@4ax.com...
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
While I might guess that the entire atheist population is less Liberal than
the people you see on AA, I have no doubt that most are left-leaning. The
Repubs have, unfortunately, made promotion of religious involvement in
government part of their agenda. So, all other things being equal, one
should not be surprised to see more atheists oppose them. In addition to
that effect, many posters in AA are studying in school or are associated
with one. Colleges tend to be far more liberal than the population at
large. In no small part, this is because both students and faculty receive
their money in whole or in part from the government. As beneficiaries, they
see government spending as a very good thing.
Speaking for myself, I don't like the Repubs "social agenda," but I have my
priorities. Numbers 1 and 2 are a healthy economy and national security. I
think that the Repubs are usually more likely to advance those priorities
the Demos. Even if legislated, most of the Repubs' social ideas are either
symbolism or don't affect me very much. For example, I want those "under
gawd" words removed from the pledge, but their inclusion doesn't change the
quality of my life substantially.
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| User: "Clayton McCloud of the Clan McCloud...And I Am Immoral!" |
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| Title: Re: Athiests' political inclination? |
10 Oct 2003 08:05:15 PM |
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"Drew" <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:910eovo58nmb7l8a2ju84a6ap0chhh4ced@4ax.com...
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I lean to the left..but not enough to topple over.
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| User: "Steven Hunter" |
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10 Oct 2003 05:14:46 PM |
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"Drew" <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:910eovo58nmb7l8a2ju84a6ap0chhh4ced@4ax.com...
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I'm guess that atheists are like any other societal group: there is a
variance of beliefs. For my part, I am an avid individualist; to that end, I
tend to identify with libertarians. I don't think it is the government's job
to be our mother, providing us with jobs, housing, health care, and on down
the list of left-wing programs. I heard Drew Carey say one, "Government
should only be things like military and police," and I agree. The
government's only responsibility and duty is to protect our rights as
individuals. "The government that governs least, governs best."
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
Most atheists I know are more liberal, though I don't know that they lean
more towards the left. Let me qualify that statement. Left-wing politics is
concerned with the government's role in the economy, typically advocating
things like welfare, universal health care, public housing, and so on. But
liberalism tends to be a view of society, apart from politics, that eschews
traditionalism (which is usually rooted in religious faith) and embraces a
more progressive view of society. To that end, liberals are supportive of
equality for gays, support abortion rights, et cetera.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I am anti-Bush, though I agree with you about affirmative action. I think
it's a racist policy and is not only condescending to those who purportedly
"benefit" from it, but - in my view - it is actually perpetuating tension
among various racial groups.
I did not support the war in Iraq, though I believe that now we're in there
we should do all we can to protect our troops and establish a solid
government for the Iraqi people. But when it comes to foreign policy in
general, I am a non-interventionist who thinks our military should be used
only in self-defense, not to "spread democracy" - or any other Wilsonian
pipe-dream - throughout the world.
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| User: "Maverick" |
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10 Oct 2003 02:54:04 PM |
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10/10/2003, around 08:51:56 PM, Drew wrote:
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
I would describe myself as a liberal, which means, obviously, that I
think personal freedom and civil liberties are the most important
things. But I'm a bit to the left as well, for example I think that
there should be public healthcare, education etc. (not saying that
there shouldn'tbe private alternatives as well).
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: Athiests' political inclination? |
10 Oct 2003 07:43:41 PM |
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Drew <drewish@mchsi.com> thought hard and said:
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
Anything and everything. In here, though, left-wingers can be found
everywhere.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Athiests' political inclination? |
10 Oct 2003 09:40:56 PM |
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In article <rdkeovcl4iothetktlib2ibrsvs4p7il89@4ax.com>,
DKolle@hotmail.com says...
Drew <drewish@mchsi.com> thought hard and said:
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
Anything and everything. In here, though, left-wingers can be found
everywhere.
Yeah, well, in current American politics, being a right-wing atheist is
tantamount to shitting in your own mess kit every day before breakfast
:)
BTW, Daniel, it sure would be swell if you could try to be a little
more like Drew :) That kid seems pretty sharp. You should be taking
notes and stuff :)).
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Woden" |
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10 Oct 2003 02:47:51 PM |
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Drew <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote in
news:910eovo58nmb7l8a2ju84a6ap0chhh4ced@4ax.com:
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
More importantly, what is your political inclination and why. Unless you
are just interested in following the crowd (albeit a small one), you need
to think for yourself and do the research necessary to form your own
opinions.
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
Personally, I quit leaning once I got my knee fixed. I'd rather stand up
straight. As to political opinion, I personally tend to disagree with
all the political parties to some degree.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
Good. Don't let any group dictate to you how you should think.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
Why?
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "jwk" |
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14 Oct 2003 08:13:26 AM |
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Drew <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<910eovo58nmb7l8a2ju84a6ap0chhh4ced@4ax.com>...
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
Atheists are notoriously independant. If most of us take up a certain
position you can assume it is because we agree with the facts as we
see them. Don't reject a position just so you can claim to be an
individual.
jwk
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| User: "Young, Free and British without breasts" |
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11 Oct 2003 01:38:21 AM |
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Drew <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<910eovo58nmb7l8a2ju84a6ap0chhh4ced@4ax.com>...
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
Misleading and dangerous quiestion.
What country? What age? What reason for being an atheist? What reason
for political inclination? What context? What interpretation of
certain words such as "liberal" and so on. The question is just not
useful.
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Iain
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| User: "Peter van Velzen" |
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10 Oct 2003 04:46:03 PM |
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Drew <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<910eovo58nmb7l8a2ju84a6ap0chhh4ced@4ax.com>...
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
Peter van Velzen
Left wing radical and environmentalist.
If an American, would have voted for Ralph Nader.
I am sure Bush and Blair were lying about Iraq and WMD's.
Nevertheless I am not sure weter the Iraq war was good or bad for Iraq.
I think it was bad for the USA, but it might be good for Iraq.
I do support democracy beyond anything, you know.
And if the war brings democracy to Iraq, that might well be worth it.
Of course I have no information on the number of Iraq's killed.
It seems that even Yang is more concerded about a few hunderd USA-soldiers
that he would be about - maybe 100.000 - Iraqi's.
So it may also be bad for Iraq.
Just hope it isn't.
Think for yourself
Peter van Velzen, October 2003
Atheist#1107
Amstelveen
The Netherlands (Aug 5, 1950)
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| User: "maky m." |
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11 Oct 2003 11:14:28 AM |
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Drew <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<910eovo58nmb7l8a2ju84a6ap0chhh4ced@4ax.com>...
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
those brain cells are going quick...
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
most atheists in this newsgroup are self proclaimed liberals or
conservatives, much like the general population.
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
you are wrong.
1. the typical atheists is much like the typical theist - dumb,
gullible and a control freak.
2. the left-right split is about the same as in the general
population, roughly half-and-half.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
indeed, you should be worried. agreeing with left-right politics and
with the typical atheist is a strong sign of stupidity...
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
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| User: "Dick C" |
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11 Oct 2003 11:10:34 PM |
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Drew wrote in alt.atheism
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I
was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am
coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I vote democrat almost all the time. I can't stand the republican
party's position on almost every point. And most repubs follow the
party line to the letter. However, I also find little to like in
the extreme left, so I vote democrat.
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct
me
if I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and
the right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
Not me. There was no reason to go to war in the first place, there
is even less of a reason now that the truth has come out. The war
has hurt the U.S. around the world more than almost anything else
in our history has.
And as far as affirmative action goes, as long as I hear racial
slurs, as long as I see the hatred between races and etnic groups,
as long as I see various businesses that hire only one race, I think
we need affirmative action.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your
time.
--
***** #1349
"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."
Andre Gide, French author and critic (1869-1951).
Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email:
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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12 Oct 2003 12:35:43 AM |
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Drew wrote:
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
(snip)
I don't think the poll has been taken to determine the most common
political views of American atheists. About all you can say, with any
confidence, is that their political preferences do not involve
theism. We see examples of political views by atheists that are all
over the map, here. But I don't see anybody counting.
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John Popelish
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| User: "Eric Gunnerson" |
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10 Oct 2003 02:51:13 PM |
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I don't really identify with either party, though I tend to vote democrat
more than republican, though I do it on a per-candidate basis. Many times I
end up voting against the more repugnant of the choices.
I tend to approach most issues pragmatically. I'm for gun control (because
of the number of people it kils), but I'm also for supporting the military,
as I'm not naive enough to think that everybody can "just get along". I'm
against capital punishment, partly because I think it's inhumane, partly
because it's often wrong, and partly because it's not cost effective.
I would guess that many atheists are like me. Both "the left" and "the
right" describe specific ideologies, and most of the atheists I've
interracted with aren't big on ideologies.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
"Drew" <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:910eovo58nmb7l8a2ju84a6ap0chhh4ced@4ax.com...
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
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| User: "William Klee" |
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10 Oct 2003 04:01:45 PM |
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In article <910eovo58nmb7l8a2ju84a6ap0chhh4ced@4ax.com>, Drew
<drewish@mchsi.com> wrote:
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
I prefer to take my politics as I take my theism: with an "a" prefix.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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10 Oct 2003 10:30:13 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:51:56 GMT, a stranger
called by some Drew <drewish@mchsi.com> came forth and told this tale
in alt.atheism
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I'm rather moderate. Conservative on finances and governmental power,
and very liberal on social policies.
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
From what I've seen, on social issues you'd be right. Since the
right-wing in America is welded to Christianity at the hip, we can
only be forced in that direction.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
Actually, you conform to most people. I know very few idealogues.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I'm very anti-Bush, and have been against the war in Iraq since the
begining.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
De nada.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Rv Cloim" |
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10 Oct 2003 05:36:22 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:51:56 +0000, Drew wrote:
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming out
of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me if
I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
Most around here (aa) appear to lean towards the Democrats, and a larger
that normal libertarian percentage. Very few that would identify as a
Republican.
I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Let people do whatever
they want provided it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others and I
don't have to pay for it.
Typically, that means I vote for Republicans. Most of the Democrats that I
would vote for don't make it past the primaries, or live in someone elses
district. More often than not, both primary choices have significant
flaws. Sometimes it's a case of "who will do the least damage" rather than
"who will do the most good".
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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14 Oct 2003 07:33:18 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:51:56 +0000, Drew wrote:
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
Everywhichway.
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Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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14 Oct 2003 07:58:05 PM |
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I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
Everywhichway.
Certainly true on this group. I've seen posters here who are left-wing
socialists. Others are neo-conservative, proto-fascist totalitarians. Others,
like myself, are libertarian Goldwater conservatives. Its a rather varied mix.
The only thing which unifies us is our lack of belief in the supernatural.
If there is any one modern politician who would seem to represent the core
values of many of the American members of this group it would probably be Jesse
Ventura. In my experience his centrist libertarianism is very close to what
many (but hardly all) of us seem to be. James Madison, the US's 4th President,
also seems to be highly respected by most US atheists. YMMV.
"Patriotism is voluntary. It is a feeling of loyalty and allegiance that is the
result of knowledge and belief. No law will make a citizen a patriot." -- Gov.
Jesse Ventura, explaining why he vetoed a bill requiring public school students
to recite the Pledge of Allegiance once a week, saying also that he has seen no
lack of patriotism in the United States, particularly after Sept. 11, 2001
terrorist attacks (May 23, 2002) [borrowed shamelessly from
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/qframe.htm ]
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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14 Oct 2003 09:26:08 PM |
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| User: "MarkA" |
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14 Oct 2003 06:48:27 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:51:56 +0000, Drew wrote:
Since the Repubs have taken the White House, Congress, and Senate, I am
MUCH less Republican than I was during the Clinton decade. The only thing
worse than government is anarchy. If you think there is really any
difference between the Repubs and the Dems, they have been very successful
in conning you.
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MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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10 Oct 2003 10:27:35 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:51:56 GMT, Drew <drewish@mchsi.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
From somewhere to the right of Goldwater to somewhat to the left of
Stalin. IOW, atheism has nothing to do with politics.
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
Two words - Fred Stone.
Two other words - Bill Bonde.
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"...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand
why I dismiss yours."
- Stephen F. Roberts
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "TearDrop Mist" |
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10 Oct 2003 08:49:37 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:51:56 GMT, Drew <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote:
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
Well I suppose here is a good as place as any to delurk and join the
community. Most atheists seem to come from everywhere in the political
spectrum. As for me, I guess I lean to left or so I'm told anyway. I
support gun control, I think universal healthcare in the US would be a
great idea, I'm pro-choice, I'm against the death penalty and I'm
against Affirmative Action. I think the "War on Drugs" is a collosal
failure. I'm also completely against the war in Iraq, and anti-Bush. I
tend to vote for anyone who supports these ideas. I tend to have one
make or break issue though, gay rights. I am for it, and if whoever
I'm leaning towards doesn't support it, they don't get my vote unless
of course I'm stuck in a case of choosing the lesser of two evils.
Sadly, it seems that every election I go to is a case of choosing the
lesser.
Incidently, as long as the conversation is on politics, does anyone
here have a make or break issue?
-TearDrop Mist
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| User: "Fester" |
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10 Oct 2003 08:55:40 PM |
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"TearDrop Mist" <wraithyme@STOPSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1lneovksvbedc7trd2vqqlh9q56ggruujf@4ax.com...
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:51:56 GMT, Drew <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote:
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I would appreciate your answers and opinions. Thank you for your time.
Well I suppose here is a good as place as any to delurk and join the
community. Most atheists seem to come from everywhere in the political
spectrum. As for me, I guess I lean to left or so I'm told anyway. I
support gun control, I think universal healthcare in the US would be a
great idea, I'm pro-choice, I'm against the death penalty and I'm
against Affirmative Action. I think the "War on Drugs" is a collosal
failure. I'm also completely against the war in Iraq, and anti-Bush. I
tend to vote for anyone who supports these ideas. I tend to have one
make or break issue though, gay rights. I am for it, and if whoever
I'm leaning towards doesn't support it, they don't get my vote unless
of course I'm stuck in a case of choosing the lesser of two evils.
Sadly, it seems that every election I go to is a case of choosing the
lesser.
Incidently, as long as the conversation is on politics, does anyone
here have a make or break issue?
For me it's usually about who I think will be best for the economy. The
exceptions are when national security is threatened.
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| User: "Rv Cloim" |
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10 Oct 2003 09:24:36 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:49:37 +0000, TearDrop Mist wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:51:56 GMT, Drew <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote:
<snip>
Well I suppose here is a good as place as any to delurk and join the
community.
Welcome on board.
<snip>
Incidently, as long as the conversation is on politics, does anyone here
have a make or break issue?
Single issue? No.
More like a check list.
Economics for legislators.
Foreign affairs for presidents.
I lean towards gun rights candidates, and away from
anyone that wants to create a new "government program".
A "do-nothing" congress is a pipe dream I'm waiting for.
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| User: "Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey?" |
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10 Oct 2003 02:34:35 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:51:56 GMT, Drew <drewish@mchsi.com> wrote:
Before about a year ago I was a extreme right winger (it was all I was
ever exposed to); in the last few months I have found that I am coming
out of that kind of though, into a more left oriented view.
I was wondering: What is the political inclination of most atheist?
I know that there is no typical atheist (from other questions I have
asked), but I would think most would lean towards the left. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
The thing I'm worried about is that I may confirm with most atheist
political opinions and views. I share both views from the left and the
right.
I'm not really anti Bush (I'm starting to though), nor am I for
affirmative action, I support the war in Iraq, and other things.
I don't support the war on Iraq, I think Bush is a liar, and I think
there government budget should be balanced. As for affrimative action,
consider this:
Let's say you are the manager of 99 salesperson and you're looking to
hire one more. You have 2 candidates, one white, one black, the white
candidate has a better resume than the black candidate in all
respects- education, experience, etc. You're 99 other wokers are
white, who would you hire?
Let's say you are the manager of baseball team and you have 9 pitchers
and you're looking to bring in one more pitcher. You have 2
prospective pitchers, one rightedhanded, one lefthanded, the
righthanded pitcher has better statstistics than the lefthanded
pitcher in all respects- ERA, striket-out-walk ratio, etc. You're
other 9 pitchers throws right handed, who would you select?
So while I have no problem in recognizing the various shortcomings of
affrimative action, I think one thing that has been largely absent in
these debate is the persepctive of the organization that these rules
affect. We hear about the effects on the individuals and they are
important, for good for for ill (the white med student who sued UC
Davis, IIRC, for dropping him for a black med student went on to
become a plastic surgeon. The black med student went on to become a
general practioner in an inner city area, serving disadvantaged kids).
From the organization, the question is not who is more qualified, but
rather who can contribute moer to the organization. Now you can argue
about whether it is 'fair' to consider that perspective as an
important factor in hirings, but such considerations and incentives do
exist. Which is why the majority of Corporate America (those bleedin'
heart liberals) support affirmative action.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balance' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -325 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: Athiests' political inclination? |
10 Oct 2003 07:44:24 PM |
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(Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like
Jeremy Shockey?) thought hard and said:
Let's say you are the manager of 99 salesperson and you're looking to
hire one more. You have 2 candidates, one white, one black, the white
candidate has a better resume than the black candidate in all
respects- education, experience, etc. You're 99 other wokers are
white, who would you hire?
The white one.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey?" |
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13 Oct 2003 11:09:51 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:44:24 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
eacmole@SPAMmail.com (Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like
Jeremy Shockey?) thought hard and said:
Let's say you are the manager of 99 salesperson and you're looking to
hire one more. You have 2 candidates, one white, one black, the white
candidate has a better resume than the black candidate in all
respects- education, experience, etc. You're 99 other wokers are
white, who would you hire?
The white one.
Then you are putting your ideology before profits. Since you are
managing a salesforce, the 100th white salesperson will be going after
the same demographics the other 99 white salespeople aer going after,
and all you are doing is cannibalizing your own account rather than
striking out on new terroritories.
You can be all indignant and argue that a white person can be a good
sales person to a black market and vice versa, but the reality is that
those instances are exceptions rather than the rule. This is exactly
why corporations actively seek out diversity in their salesforce,
because it is the right thing to do, but because it makes economic
sense.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balance' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -328 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: Athiests' political inclination? |
14 Oct 2003 08:10:31 AM |
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(Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey?) wrote in message news:<3f8b75e0.27979562@news.cox.net>...
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:44:24 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
(Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like
Jeremy Shockey?) thought hard and said:
Let's say you are the manager of 99 salesperson and you're looking to
hire one more. You have 2 candidates, one white, one black, the white
candidate has a better resume than the black candidate in all
respects- education, experience, etc. You're 99 other wokers are
white, who would you hire?
The white one.
Then you are putting your ideology before profits. Since you are
managing a salesforce, the 100th white salesperson will be going after
the same demographics the other 99 white salespeople aer going after,
and all you are doing is cannibalizing your own account rather than
striking out on new terroritories.
You can be all indignant and argue that a white person can be a good
sales person to a black market and vice versa, but the reality is that
those instances are exceptions rather than the rule. This is exactly
why corporations actively seek out diversity in their salesforce,
because it is the right thing to do, but because it makes economic
sense.
Sorry, but you are reading more into the question than was there. No
information was given about markets or who had what type of experience
in them. He stated that the white saleman was better in all respects.
And since they were hiring, and considering a white candidate it is
also presumptious of you to decide they are cutting their own throat.
Going solely on the info given you are dead wrong.
jwk
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