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Atlantis in the Indian Ocean-5 - still more facts fit? |
See my blog: www.wwwaom.blogspot.com for a text with some pictures.
Further evidence come from Herodotus description of creation of land of
Egypt and Lake Moeris. These facts coincide with my idea that all River
Deltas form in places where Coastal land goes up as a reaction of
catastrophic sinking of land nearby. (see my previous posts about
Atlantis).
In Egypt's case, that land sinking in 9600 BC was ancient Greece ( see
Plato Timaeus: " But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and
[337] floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your (i.e
Greek) warlike men in [338] a body sank into the earth, and the island
of Atlantis in like manner [339] disappeared in the depths of the sea
), the land going up was Egypt below Memphis. Lake Moeris ( in Russian
More=Sea, read about it in
http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/MIC_MOL/MOERIS_LAKE_OF.html) was part of
the Mediterranean sea which was trapped inland ( similar to Rann of
Kutch in Gujarat,when Saurahstra peninsula , Western coast of India
were uplifted as a reaction to Atlantis going under water in Indian
Ocean and Indus Delta formed).
During time before 9600 BC, before catastrophe , Greece which sank
stretched further to the South than today , and Mediterranean was
connected with Red Sea, making voyages from Mediterranean to Indian
Ocean easy and possible. See picture for potential earlier Southern
coast of Mediterranean.
Researches on the desert margin of the depression indicate that in
early Paleolithic times the land around Lake Moeris was up to 120 feet
(37 m) lower than today, and in about 9,600 BC, it suddenly formed (
meanign that when trapping sea water inland it can be pushed slightly
more inwards than former sea coast ; also, North coast appeared which
was not here previosly).
Read more facts at:
http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/documents/cairo/images/cairo_sml.pdf
Listen to Herodotus: 'the first man to rule Egypt was Min, in whose
time the whole country except district around Thebes (Luxor) , was
marsh, none of the land below Lake Moeris - seven day's voyage up river
from the sea-then showing above water". "It is clear that the Egypt to
which the Greeks sail nowadays is, as it were, the gift of the river
and has come only recently into posession of its inhabitants". " The
same is true of the country ABOVE lake for the distance of a three days
voyage".
Also Herodotus states about this land above Lake Moeris:
"I formed the opinion that the whole region above Memphis between two
ranges of hills was originally a gulf of the sea and it resembles the
country around Troy,Teuthrania, Ephesus and the plain of the Meander"
"It is my belief that Egypt itself was originally some such arm of the
sea-there were two gulfs , that is, one running from the Mediterranean
SOUTHWARDS towards Ethiopia, and other NORTHWARDS from the Indian Ocean
towards Syria, and the two almost met in the extreme ends, leaving only
a small stretch of country between them""
"If the land below Memphis ( for this is the part which is always
rising) continues to increase in height at the same rate as in the
past..."
Further support comes from Dead Sea and Jericho. Jericho was a coastal
town then, and Dead Sea actually a sea. At approximately 9600 BC, this
whole coast uplifted as a reaction to ancient Greece going under water,
sort of breaking of. From Wikipedia:
"During 70,000 to 12,000 years ago the lake (Dead Sea) level was a
100-250 m higher than its current level. This lake was termed "Lake
Lisan", which fluctuated dramatically with rising to highest level
around 26,000 years ago, indicating very wet climate in the Near East.
Sometime around 10,000 years ago the lake level dropped dramatically,
probably to levels even lower than today
As with any good hypothesis, the more facts I find while reading almost
any ancient text, the stronger it becomes.
Still further, here is global sediment picture.Northern part of
Atlantis is hidden under sediment to the left of India, linked to Indus
river.
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28 Dec 2006 07:26:00 AM |
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wrote in news:1167250102.344570.197480
@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Atlantis in the Indian Ocean-5 - still more facts fit?
Atlantis was the island of Minoa, thought to have invented the battery,
consisting of a clay pot, with lemon juice and strips of iron and copper in
it.
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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28 Dec 2006 01:20:52 AM |
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There are several simple answers to this nonsense.
There is exactly one source of the Atlantis myth and that is Plato. There are
several surviving contemporary records ridiculing Plato because he apparently
really believed it existed.
THAT is the sum total of all the original mention of Atlantis. All the rest is
rabid nonsense speculation from relatively modern times. By modern I mean in the
last two centuries. There is no mention prior to Plato and no mention of any
other claims it its existence for some 2000 years and today it is a popular
mythology, mainly for Hollywood.
Why are you bothering to front this nonsense?
And there are online maps of the topography of all the oceans of the Earth. If
I remember correctly noaa.gov is one source. They will even sell you a map for
your wall. Even an amateur can look at it and see there is no sunken anything of
interest in the Indian Ocean.
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28 Dec 2006 07:54:17 AM |
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Matt Giwer wrote:
ivars.fabriciuss@gmail.com wrote:
There are several simple answers to this nonsense.
There is exactly one source of the Atlantis myth and that is Plato. There are
several surviving contemporary records ridiculing Plato because he apparently
really believed it existed.
THAT is the sum total of all the original mention of Atlantis. All the rest is
rabid nonsense speculation from relatively modern times. By modern I mean in the
last two centuries. There is no mention prior to Plato and no mention of any
other claims it its existence for some 2000 years and today it is a popular
mythology, mainly for Hollywood.
Why are you bothering to front this nonsense?
And there are online maps of the topography of all the oceans of the Earth. If
I remember correctly noaa.gov is one source. They will even sell you a map for
your wall. Even an amateur can look at it and see there is no sunken anything of
interest in the Indian Ocean.
It is hidden by Indus deposits 2,5 km in depth and lava from fault line.
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| User: "Peter Alaca" |
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28 Dec 2006 08:49:58 AM |
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< > wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
[...]
And there are online maps of the topography of all the oceans of the
Earth. If I remember correctly noaa.gov is one source. They will
even sell you a map for your wall. Even an amateur can look at it
and see there is no sunken anything of interest in the Indian Ocean.
It is hidden by Indus deposits 2,5 km in depth and lava from fault
line.
How do you know?
Do you have one shred of evidence?
If so, present it here, if not, bugger off, at least from
sci.archaeology.
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p.a.
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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28 Dec 2006 08:09:43 PM |
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wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
wrote:
There are several simple answers to this nonsense.
There is exactly one source of the Atlantis myth and that is Plato. There are
several surviving contemporary records ridiculing Plato because he apparently
really believed it existed.
THAT is the sum total of all the original mention of Atlantis. All the rest is
rabid nonsense speculation from relatively modern times. By modern I mean in the
last two centuries. There is no mention prior to Plato and no mention of any
other claims it its existence for some 2000 years and today it is a popular
mythology, mainly for Hollywood.
Why are you bothering to front this nonsense?
And there are online maps of the topography of all the oceans of the Earth. If
I remember correctly noaa.gov is one source. They will even sell you a map for
your wall. Even an amateur can look at it and see there is no sunken anything of
interest in the Indian Ocean.
It is hidden by Indus deposits 2,5 km in depth and lava from fault line.
Mere assertions by fools does not make for fact.
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| User: "Erik Hammerstad" |
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27 Dec 2006 03:16:40 PM |
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wrote:
<snip the unbelievable>
As with any good hypothesis, the more facts I find while reading almost
any ancient text, the stronger it becomes.
Regardless of what you find in old texts, your ramblings are quite
simply refuted by what we know of geology. I therefore suggest you
go read a good basic geology text before any further postings, for
example "New Views on an Old Planet" by Tjeerd H. van Andel
(Cambridge University Press, 2 edition (October 28, 1994, ISBN-10:
0521447550, ISBN-13: 978-0521447553). The first edition from 1985
which I have, is excellent and probably still 99% correct.
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| User: "" |
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28 Dec 2006 12:50:19 AM |
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Erik Hammerstad wrote:
ivars.fabriciuss@gmail.com wrote:
<snip the unbelievable>
As with any good hypothesis, the more facts I find while reading almost
any ancient text, the stronger it becomes.
Regardless of what you find in old texts, your ramblings are quite
simply refuted by what we know of geology. I therefore suggest you
go read a good basic geology text before any further postings, for
example "New Views on an Old Planet" by Tjeerd H. van Andel
(Cambridge University Press, 2 edition (October 28, 1994, ISBN-10:
0521447550, ISBN-13: 978-0521447553). The first edition from 1985
which I have, is excellent and probably still 99% correct.
Regardless of what geology says, it is not able to explain most
observed movements of Earth (like polar rotation with approx. 6 year
period, spiral path) and Earth Crust ( like recent changes from
flattening to bulging at equator of Earth) . It also can not explain
periodic CO2 and temperature increases observed in Ice core samples,
not can it explain dust eruptions which has happened on the Earth.
Nor can it explain Ozone hole, as far as I am aware. Not being able to
expalin leads to :
1) Human explanation ( not totally wrong, but mixing causes with
results)
2) Chance as an explanation
And , by the way , it is not bale to explain old texts, leading to
assumption that most old texts are WRONG. To me it resembles the case
with Holocaust- 60 years later people already claim there was no
holocaust and people who report it are WRONG. Imagine what will happen
after 3000 years - we will live in society ( hopefully) where mass
extinctions would be unthinkable. So slowly we would start to assume
DESPITE written etc. evidence that holocaust has never happened and
people who for some reason documented it simply were giving in to their
mithycal needs.
Today we live in the world which is as far from geological cataclysms
in time as possible. naturally we dismiss all evidence which implies
catastrophes.We have a subconscious wish they never happen again at
such a scale as to bury countries in few days, so we erase this
knowledge from our models of the world.
The problem is, Earth does not know or care that we do not know.It goes
on with its rhytms and cycles, and will strike again.
What geology does, is helps to find new oil fields, and explains why we
can not explain better.
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| User: "Robert Kolker" |
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28 Dec 2006 05:19:16 AM |
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What geology does, is helps to find new oil fields, and explains why we
can not explain better.
Geology has also supplied the physical mechanism for long term earth
changes. Vide tecktonic plate theory. Geology is well plugged into physics.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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28 Dec 2006 01:08:26 AM |
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On 27 Dec 2006 22:50:19 -0800, wrote:
- Refer: <1167288619.654836.101650@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Erik Hammerstad wrote:
wrote:
<snip the unbelievable>
As with any good hypothesis, the more facts I find while reading almost
any ancient text, the stronger it becomes.
Regardless of what you find in old texts, your ramblings are quite
simply refuted by what we know of geology. I therefore suggest you
go read a good basic geology text before any further postings, for
example "New Views on an Old Planet" by Tjeerd H. van Andel
(Cambridge University Press, 2 edition (October 28, 1994, ISBN-10:
0521447550, ISBN-13: 978-0521447553). The first edition from 1985
which I have, is excellent and probably still 99% correct.
Regardless of what geology says, it is not able to explain most
observed movements of Earth (like polar rotation with approx. 6 year
period, spiral path) and Earth Crust ( like recent changes from
flattening to bulging at equator of Earth) . It also can not explain
periodic CO2 and temperature increases observed in Ice core samples,
not can it explain dust eruptions which has happened on the Earth.
Nor can it explain Ozone hole, as far as I am aware. Not being able to
expalin leads to :
1) Human explanation ( not totally wrong, but mixing causes with
results)
2) Chance as an explanation
And , by the way , it is not bale to explain old texts, leading to
assumption that most old texts are WRONG. To me it resembles the case
with Holocaust- 60 years later people already claim there was no
holocaust and people who report it are WRONG. Imagine what will happen
after 3000 years - we will live in society ( hopefully) where mass
extinctions would be unthinkable. So slowly we would start to assume
DESPITE written etc. evidence that holocaust has never happened and
people who for some reason documented it simply were giving in to their
mithycal needs.
Today we live in the world which is as far from geological cataclysms
in time as possible. naturally we dismiss all evidence which implies
catastrophes.We have a subconscious wish they never happen again at
such a scale as to bury countries in few days, so we erase this
knowledge from our models of the world.
The problem is, Earth does not know or care that we do not know.It goes
on with its rhytms and cycles, and will strike again.
What geology does, is helps to find new oil fields, and explains why we
can not explain better.
I still have the deeds to Brooklyn Bridge if you are interested.
--
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| User: "Peter Alaca" |
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28 Dec 2006 03:14:17 AM |
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Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com > wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 22:50:19 -0800, wrote:
- Refer: <1167288619.654836.101650@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Erik Hammerstad wrote:
wrote:
<snip the unbelievable>
As with any good hypothesis, the more facts I find while reading
almost any ancient text, the stronger it becomes.
Regardless of what you find in old texts, your ramblings are quite
simply refuted by what we know of geology. I therefore suggest you
go read a good basic geology text before any further postings, for
example "New Views on an Old Planet" by Tjeerd H. van Andel
(Cambridge University Press, 2 edition (October 28, 1994, ISBN-10:
0521447550, ISBN-13: 978-0521447553). The first edition from 1985
which I have, is excellent and probably still 99% correct.
Regardless of what geology says, it is not able to explain most
observed movements of Earth (like polar rotation with approx. 6 year
period, spiral path) and Earth Crust ( like recent changes from
flattening to bulging at equator of Earth) . It also can not explain
periodic CO2 and temperature increases observed in Ice core samples,
not can it explain dust eruptions which has happened on the Earth.
Nor can it explain Ozone hole, as far as I am aware. Not being able
to expalin leads to :
1) Human explanation ( not totally wrong, but mixing causes with
results)
2) Chance as an explanation
And , by the way , it is not bale to explain old texts, leading to
assumption that most old texts are WRONG. To me it resembles the case
with Holocaust- 60 years later people already claim there was no
holocaust and people who report it are WRONG. Imagine what will
happen after 3000 years - we will live in society ( hopefully) where
mass extinctions would be unthinkable. So slowly we would start to
assume DESPITE written etc. evidence that holocaust has never
happened and people who for some reason documented it simply were
giving in to their mithycal needs.
Today we live in the world which is as far from geological cataclysms
in time as possible. naturally we dismiss all evidence which implies
catastrophes.We have a subconscious wish they never happen again at
such a scale as to bury countries in few days, so we erase this
knowledge from our models of the world.
The problem is, Earth does not know or care that we do not know.It
goes on with its rhytms and cycles, and will strike again.
What geology does, is helps to find new oil fields, and explains why
we can not explain better.
I still have the deeds to Brooklyn Bridge if you are interested.
Geology is not able to explain them.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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28 Dec 2006 03:46:35 AM |
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:14:17 +0100, "Peter Alaca"
<p.alaca@purple.invalid> wrote:
- Refer: <45938b35$0$96572$dbd4f001@news.wanadoo.nl>
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com > wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 22:50:19 -0800, wrote:
- Refer: <1167288619.654836.101650@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Erik Hammerstad wrote:
wrote:
<snip the unbelievable>
As with any good hypothesis, the more facts I find while reading
almost any ancient text, the stronger it becomes.
Regardless of what you find in old texts, your ramblings are quite
simply refuted by what we know of geology. I therefore suggest you
go read a good basic geology text before any further postings, for
example "New Views on an Old Planet" by Tjeerd H. van Andel
(Cambridge University Press, 2 edition (October 28, 1994, ISBN-10:
0521447550, ISBN-13: 978-0521447553). The first edition from 1985
which I have, is excellent and probably still 99% correct.
Regardless of what geology says, it is not able to explain most
observed movements of Earth (like polar rotation with approx. 6 year
period, spiral path) and Earth Crust ( like recent changes from
flattening to bulging at equator of Earth) . It also can not explain
periodic CO2 and temperature increases observed in Ice core samples,
not can it explain dust eruptions which has happened on the Earth.
Nor can it explain Ozone hole, as far as I am aware. Not being able
to expalin leads to :
1) Human explanation ( not totally wrong, but mixing causes with
results)
2) Chance as an explanation
And , by the way , it is not bale to explain old texts, leading to
assumption that most old texts are WRONG. To me it resembles the case
with Holocaust- 60 years later people already claim there was no
holocaust and people who report it are WRONG. Imagine what will
happen after 3000 years - we will live in society ( hopefully) where
mass extinctions would be unthinkable. So slowly we would start to
assume DESPITE written etc. evidence that holocaust has never
happened and people who for some reason documented it simply were
giving in to their mithycal needs.
Today we live in the world which is as far from geological cataclysms
in time as possible. naturally we dismiss all evidence which implies
catastrophes.We have a subconscious wish they never happen again at
such a scale as to bury countries in few days, so we erase this
knowledge from our models of the world.
The problem is, Earth does not know or care that we do not know.It
goes on with its rhytms and cycles, and will strike again.
What geology does, is helps to find new oil fields, and explains why
we can not explain better.
I still have the deeds to Brooklyn Bridge if you are interested.
Geology is not able to explain them.
I don't want them explained.
I want money for them.
They are genuine, of course.
"ivars" is plainly a person of discrimination, who is able spot a
laughable impossible scam from a mile, and so I feel confident that he
will judge the deeds as genuine.
All 5 of them.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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28 Dec 2006 11:25:26 AM |
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On 27 Dec 2006 22:50:19 -0800, wrote:
Erik Hammerstad wrote:
wrote:
<snip the unbelievable>
As with any good hypothesis, the more facts I find while reading almost
any ancient text, the stronger it becomes.
Regardless of what you find in old texts, your ramblings are quite
simply refuted by what we know of geology. I therefore suggest you
go read a good basic geology text before any further postings, for
example "New Views on an Old Planet" by Tjeerd H. van Andel
(Cambridge University Press, 2 edition (October 28, 1994, ISBN-10:
0521447550, ISBN-13: 978-0521447553). The first edition from 1985
which I have, is excellent and probably still 99% correct.
Regardless of what geology says, it is not able to explain most
observed movements of Earth (like polar rotation with approx. 6 year
period, spiral path) and Earth Crust ( like recent changes from
flattening to bulging at equator of Earth) . It also can not explain
periodic CO2 and temperature increases observed in Ice core samples,
not can it explain dust eruptions which has happened on the Earth.
Au contraire, oh brainless one. Geology can explain every one of those
things.
Nor can it explain Ozone hole, as far as I am aware. Not being able to
expalin leads to :
That's a problem for meteorologists, not geologists.
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| User: "Bob Officer" |
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29 Dec 2006 10:47:12 AM |
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:25:26 -0500, in sci.geo.earthquakes, John
Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 22:50:19 -0800, wrote:
Erik Hammerstad wrote:
wrote:
<snip the unbelievable>
As with any good hypothesis, the more facts I find while reading almost
any ancient text, the stronger it becomes.
Regardless of what you find in old texts, your ramblings are quite
simply refuted by what we know of geology. I therefore suggest you
go read a good basic geology text before any further postings, for
example "New Views on an Old Planet" by Tjeerd H. van Andel
(Cambridge University Press, 2 edition (October 28, 1994, ISBN-10:
0521447550, ISBN-13: 978-0521447553). The first edition from 1985
which I have, is excellent and probably still 99% correct.
Regardless of what geology says, it is not able to explain most
observed movements of Earth (like polar rotation with approx. 6 year
period, spiral path) and Earth Crust ( like recent changes from
flattening to bulging at equator of Earth) . It also can not explain
periodic CO2 and temperature increases observed in Ice core samples,
not can it explain dust eruptions which has happened on the Earth.
Au contraire, oh brainless one. Geology can explain every one of those
things.
Nor can it explain Ozone hole, as far as I am aware. Not being able to
expalin leads to :
That's a problem for meteorologists, not geologists.
I read somewhere a few years ago the eruptions of several Southern
hemisphere Volcanos where exceptionally rich in florine/florates
minerals... released at high speeds into the upper atmosphere. This
ejected cloud could be responsible for the enlarging ozone hole.
--
Ak'toh'di
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| User: "Veszpertin - The 800 year old Hippie - The Psychedelic Pope ~..~ His Most Enlightened Highness" |
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28 Dec 2006 01:47:42 AM |
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Absolutely!
ivars.fabriciuss@gmail.com wrote:
See my blog: www.wwwaom.blogspot.com for a text with some pictures.
Further evidence come from Herodotus description of creation of land of
Egypt and Lake Moeris. These facts coincide with my idea that all River
Deltas form in places where Coastal land goes up as a reaction of
catastrophic sinking of land nearby. (see my previous posts about
Atlantis).
In Egypt's case, that land sinking in 9600 BC was ancient Greece ( see
Plato Timaeus: " But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and
[337] floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your (i.e
Greek) warlike men in [338] a body sank into the earth, and the island
of Atlantis in like manner [339] disappeared in the depths of the sea
), the land going up was Egypt below Memphis. Lake Moeris ( in Russian
More=Sea, read about it in
http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/MIC_MOL/MOERIS_LAKE_OF.html) was part of
the Mediterranean sea which was trapped inland ( similar to Rann of
Kutch in Gujarat,when Saurahstra peninsula , Western coast of India
were uplifted as a reaction to Atlantis going under water in Indian
Ocean and Indus Delta formed).
During time before 9600 BC, before catastrophe , Greece which sank
stretched further to the South than today , and Mediterranean was
connected with Red Sea, making voyages from Mediterranean to Indian
Ocean easy and possible. See picture for potential earlier Southern
coast of Mediterranean.
Researches on the desert margin of the depression indicate that in
early Paleolithic times the land around Lake Moeris was up to 120 feet
(37 m) lower than today, and in about 9,600 BC, it suddenly formed (
meanign that when trapping sea water inland it can be pushed slightly
more inwards than former sea coast ; also, North coast appeared which
was not here previosly).
Read more facts at:
http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/documents/cairo/images/cairo_sml.pdf
Listen to Herodotus: 'the first man to rule Egypt was Min, in whose
time the whole country except district around Thebes (Luxor) , was
marsh, none of the land below Lake Moeris - seven day's voyage up river
from the sea-then showing above water". "It is clear that the Egypt to
which the Greeks sail nowadays is, as it were, the gift of the river
and has come only recently into posession of its inhabitants". " The
same is true of the country ABOVE lake for the distance of a three days
voyage".
Also Herodotus states about this land above Lake Moeris:
"I formed the opinion that the whole region above Memphis between two
ranges of hills was originally a gulf of the sea and it resembles the
country around Troy,Teuthrania, Ephesus and the plain of the Meander"
"It is my belief that Egypt itself was originally some such arm of the
sea-there were two gulfs , that is, one running from the Mediterranean
SOUTHWARDS towards Ethiopia, and other NORTHWARDS from the Indian Ocean
towards Syria, and the two almost met in the extreme ends, leaving only
a small stretch of country between them""
"If the land below Memphis ( for this is the part which is always
rising) continues to increase in height at the same rate as in the
past..."
Further support comes from Dead Sea and Jericho. Jericho was a coastal
town then, and Dead Sea actually a sea. At approximately 9600 BC, this
whole coast uplifted as a reaction to ancient Greece going under water,
sort of breaking of. From Wikipedia:
"During 70,000 to 12,000 years ago the lake (Dead Sea) level was a
100-250 m higher than its current level. This lake was termed "Lake
Lisan", which fluctuated dramatically with rising to highest level
around 26,000 years ago, indicating very wet climate in the Near East.
Sometime around 10,000 years ago the lake level dropped dramatically,
probably to levels even lower than today
As with any good hypothesis, the more facts I find while reading almost
any ancient text, the stronger it becomes.
Still further, here is global sediment picture.Northern part of
Atlantis is hidden under sediment to the left of India, linked to Indus
river.
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06 Jan 2007 05:27:56 AM |
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No, the story of Atlantis was a fictional story loosely based on the
end of the Minoan civilisation on Crete. The Minoan civilisation was a
relatively advanced civilisation located just beyond the Aegean Sea,
which is where Plato described Atlantis to be (ie "beyond the pillars
of Hercules"). Like Atlantis, the Minoan civilisation suffered a
natural disaster. Granted, the Minoan civilisation didn't sink into
the ocean but it is physically impossible for an island to sink anyway:
instead it suffered a volcanic eruption as was described in the story
by Plato. Plato's story also described Atlantis as occupying territory
in Greece and Egypt (Plato even claimed that the story was told to him
by an Egyptian): again, this restricts the location of Atlantis to the
Mediterrean Sea, somewhere between Greece and Egypt. Plato even
claimed that the Greeks fought against the Atlanteans or at least
"dified them". Again, this means that Plato's date of 10 000 or so BC
was highly fanciful because the Greeks would have been mere farmers
back then. Everything points to Plato having Crete in mind when he
wrote about Atlantis. Why didn't he say he was talking about the
Minoan civilisation on Crete? Perhaps because he had absolutely no
first hand knowledge of the Minoan civilisation and just thought the
idea of a civilisation coming to an end due to a natural disaster made
a good story. Others have claimed that it is a warning against hubris,
a reminder that even the most advanced civilisation can fall overnight.
I'm typing all this from memory. You can find your own references by
googling "Minoan Atlantis".
Martin
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06 Jan 2007 06:22:44 AM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
No, the story of Atlantis was a fictional story loosely based on the
end of the Minoan civilisation on Crete. The Minoan civilisation was a
relatively advanced civilisation located just beyond the Aegean Sea,
which is where Plato described Atlantis to be (ie "beyond the pillars
of Hercules"). Like Atlantis, the Minoan civilisation suffered a
natural disaster. Granted, the Minoan civilisation didn't sink into
the ocean but it is physically impossible for an island to sink anyway:
I don't think so, ... (?) Volcanic islands appear and disappear all
the time, ..particularly in the Pacific - that is, where they are
floored by mantle where there is difficulty keeping charts up to date.)
(particularly for submarines) Much of the Mediterranean is floored by
mantle.... (You can see it on the gravity maps quite easily)... ...
So the volcanic eruption figures too. (But I suppose you would
think there would be more historical confirmation of such a place and
such an event.)
instead it suffered a volcanic eruption as was described in the story
by Plato. Plato's story also described Atlantis as occupying territory
in Greece and Egypt (Plato even claimed that the story was told to him
by an Egyptian): again, this restricts the location of Atlantis to the
Mediterrean Sea, somewhere between Greece and Egypt. Plato even
claimed that the Greeks fought against the Atlanteans or at least
"dified them". Again, this means that Plato's date of 10 000 or so BC
was highly fanciful because the Greeks would have been mere farmers
back then. Everything points to Plato having Crete in mind when he
wrote about Atlantis. Why didn't he say he was talking about the
Minoan civilisation on Crete? Perhaps because he had absolutely no
first hand knowledge of the Minoan civilisation and just thought the
idea of a civilisation coming to an end due to a natural disaster made
a good story. Others have claimed that it is a warning against hubris,
a reminder that even the most advanced civilisation can fall overnight.
I'm typing all this from memory. You can find your own references by
googling "Minoan Atlantis".
Martin
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| User: "Petra" |
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08 Jan 2007 08:02:21 AM |
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don findlay wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
No, the story of Atlantis was a fictional story loosely based on the
end of the Minoan civilisation on Crete. The Minoan civilisation was a
relatively advanced civilisation located just beyond the Aegean Sea,
which is where Plato described Atlantis to be (ie "beyond the pillars
of Hercules"). Like Atlantis, the Minoan civilisation suffered a
natural disaster. Granted, the Minoan civilisation didn't sink into
the ocean but it is physically impossible for an island to sink anyway:
I don't think so, ... (?) Volcanic islands appear and disappear all
the time, ..particularly in the Pacific - that is, where they are
floored by mantle where there is difficulty keeping charts up to date.)
(particularly for submarines) Much of the Mediterranean is floored by
mantle.... (You can see it on the gravity maps quite easily)... ...
So the volcanic eruption figures too. (But I suppose you would
think there would be more historical confirmation of such a place and
such an event.)
Don,
How quickly they forget. During the tsunami from the December 26, 2004
earthquake in Indonesia it removed land in Sri Lanka. A man I know in
San Francisco found his land there and then gone. His sister who
invested
in a B & B lost her structure and her land. Her lifetime savings
invested
in paradise now gone, perhaps never to return.
There are to many times when we hear "everything moves slowly in
geologic
time", which should say Except: In volcanic eruptions and tsunami.
There and then
gone repeats in minutes to hours and causes death in unimaginable
numbers.
Edgar Cayce said Atlantis was off of the east coast near Florida and
there was
a land bridge that went all the way to Europe. Does it sound
fantastic? It could,
except only 5,000 years ago there was no San Francisco Bay. There was
a river,
a small one, no islands and one could walk all the way to Farallon
Islands some
15 miles west.
He also said that one day they would discover a boat buried underground
near the
Sphinx in Egypt. Today one can see it for themselves. It was
excavated and a
building erected around it to protect it.
"When will they ever learn? Long time passing."
Petra
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08 Jan 2007 03:41:45 PM |
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On 8 Jan 2007 06:02:21 -0800, "Petra" <petrasrcf@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Edgar Cayce said Atlantis was off of the east coast near Florida and
there was
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Cayce?
Don't make me larf??!!!
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| User: "Petra" |
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08 Jan 2007 06:34:54 PM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 8 Jan 2007 06:02:21 -0800, "Petra" <petrasrcf@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Edgar Cayce said Atlantis was off of the east coast near Florida and
there was
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Cayce?
Don't make me larf??!!!
Michael,
I shouldn't wish to make you laugh. Obviously you're so limited in
your
thinking and possibly reading materials it is I who should be laughing,
but rather, I feel sorry for you as your perception of the world is so
limited.
It's good you never worked on our early programs to go to the Moon. I
could
have seen you telling Kennedy it wasn't possible and have him banish
you
from the Kingdom of Astrophysics.
I hope you wake from your dreamful state one day to realize that there
is
nothing that is impossible, only those who are limited in their
thinking.
Petra
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| User: "Mike Williams" |
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08 Jan 2007 08:32:03 PM |
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"Petra" <petrasrcf@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168302894.721913.146830@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<<snip>>
Michael,
I shouldn't wish to make you laugh. Obviously you're so limited in
your
thinking and possibly reading materials it is I who should be laughing,
but rather, I feel sorry for you as your perception of the world is so
limited.
It's good you never worked on our early programs to go to the Moon. I
could
have seen you telling Kennedy it wasn't possible and have him banish
you
from the Kingdom of Astrophysics.
Jeez Loueeeze! The very people you laud for their outstanding scientific and
technological prowess in first orbiting and then landing on the moon are
those least likely to have taken Cayce seriously. I swear, Petra, you must
be suffering from some sort of syndrome that causes you to completely
misunderstand reason and logic. If what passes for reasoning in your
Alice-in-Wonderland world was the standard for the Apollo scientists,
ignition would never have been achieved - much less lift-off, escape
velocity, orbital insertion, landing and return. I think the problem is that
you started reading up on science so late in life that you never formed the
basic understanding of how it works. But, even so, I would think that the
fairly simple but working understanding of how the world works that the
typical layperson has would be sufficient. You've somehow even managed to
mis-formulate even that! This would not be a reason to castigate someone,
unless that someone was constantly trying to pass themselves off as an
authority on matters requiring sophisticated understanding, or was
unabashedly making public pronouncements with such certainty despite being
so often in obvious error.
Michael F. Williams (an interested layperson)
Arroyo Grande, CA USA
I hope you wake from your dreamful state one day to realize that there
is
nothing that is impossible, only those who are limited in their
thinking.
Petra
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08 Jan 2007 10:12:57 PM |
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On 8 Jan 2007 16:34:54 -0800, "Petra" <petrasrcf@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 8 Jan 2007 06:02:21 -0800, "Petra" <petrasrcf@hotmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1168264941.069107.183320@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
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Edgar Cayce said Atlantis was off of the east coast near Florida and
there was
:
Cayce?
Don't make me larf??!!!
Michael,
I shouldn't wish to make you laugh. Obviously you're so limited in
your
thinking and possibly reading materials it is I who should be laughing,
but rather, I feel sorry for you as your perception of the world is so
limited.
It's good you never worked on our early programs to go to the Moon. I
could
have seen you telling Kennedy it wasn't possible and have him banish
you
from the Kingdom of Astrophysics.
I hope you wake from your dreamful state one day to realize that there
is
nothing that is impossible, only those who are limited in their
thinking.
Petra
What a fucking lunatic!
You should have kept taking the medication...
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| User: "Petra" |
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09 Jan 2007 03:34:57 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
What a fucking lunatic!
You should have kept taking the medication...
Michael,
This is but one of my accomplishments. Does it sound looney to
you?.... Petra
On 9/29/03 AB1576 was signed into Law by Governor Gray Davis.
After becoming aware that rental units in California were not required
to have their water heaters retrofitted (strapped), I contacted the
California Seismic Safety Commission in August of 2002 and recommended
this issue be addressed.
Fortunately, they found this safety measure which affected 5.2 million
California renter's was worthy of an effort to add a new section to
California Building Safety Codes. Assemblywoman Carol Liu of Pasadena,
California was asked to present the bill and accepted the invitation.
I attended the presentation to the Housing Authority Committee in March
2003 and joined Carol Liu and members of the Seismic Safety Commission
and expressed the seriousness of the potential for property damage,
bodily injury and even possible death for a tenant if a water heater
fell during an earthquake.
After the bill was heard by all of the committees, it was brought to a
floor vote and passed with 72 votes in favor and 5 opposed. On 9/29/03
Governor Gray Davis signed this legislation in law.
I would like to express my thanks to Assemblywoman Carol Liu and
Legislative Director, Henry Sepulveda of the California Seismic Safety
Commission for their outstanding efforts to bring equality to renters
in regard to seismic safety.
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| User: "Doug Weller" |
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09 Jan 2007 11:29:13 AM |
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On 9 Jan 2007 01:34:57 -0800, in sci.archaeology, Petra wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
What a fucking lunatic!
You should have kept taking the medication...
Michael,
This is but one of my accomplishments. Does it sound looney to
you?.... Petra
http://members.tripod.com/petra_challus/id37.htm
But it is quite possible for people to be rational in some aspects of
their life, and complete kooks in other aspects.
Doug
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Doug Weller --
A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
Amun - co-owner/co-moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amun/
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| User: "Scorpio" |
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08 Jan 2007 06:42:30 PM |
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Petra wrote:
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Cayce?
Don't make me larf??!!!
Michael,
I shouldn't wish to make you laugh. Obviously you're so limited in
your
thinking and possibly reading materials it is I who should be laughing,
but rather, I feel sorry for you as your perception of the world is so
limited.
It's good you never worked on our early programs to go to the Moon. I
could
have seen you telling Kennedy it wasn't possible and have him banish
you
from the Kingdom of Astrophysics.
I hope you wake from your dreamful state one day to realize that there
is
nothing that is impossible, only those who are limited in their
thinking.
Ha ha good one Petra. So many of these boys are fighting to stop their
own enlightenment.
Scorpio
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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08 Jan 2007 10:15:09 PM |
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On 8 Jan 2007 16:42:30 -0800, "Scorpio" <mwhitney@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
- Refer: <1168303349.991054.145720@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Petra wrote:
:
Cayce?
Don't make me larf??!!!
Michael,
I shouldn't wish to make you laugh. Obviously you're so limited in
your
thinking and possibly reading materials it is I who should be laughing,
but rather, I feel sorry for you as your perception of the world is so
limited.
It's good you never worked on our early programs to go to the Moon. I
could
have seen you telling Kennedy it wasn't possible and have him banish
you
from the Kingdom of Astrophysics.
I hope you wake from your dreamful state one day to realize that there
is
nothing that is impossible, only those who are limited in their
thinking.
Ha ha good one Petra. So many of these boys are fighting to stop their
own enlightenment.
Scorpio
Yes, I am merely a scientist who has worked in the defence department
in rocketry.
What would I know about it all?
I am supposing that the correct qualifiaction is to suffer from florid
schizophrenia, and no education whatsoever....
Cayce, indeed!!
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08 Jan 2007 07:08:09 PM |
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Scorpio wrote:
Petra wrote:
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Cayce?
Don't make me larf??!!!
Michael,
I shouldn't wish to make you laugh. Obviously you're so limited in
your
thinking and possibly reading materials it is I who should be laughing,
but rather, I feel sorry for you as your perception of the world is so
limited.
It's good you never worked on our early programs to go to the Moon. I
could
have seen you telling Kennedy it wasn't possible and have him banish
you
from the Kingdom of Astrophysics.
I hope you wake from your dreamful state one day to realize that there
is
nothing that is impossible, only those who are limited in their
thinking.
Ha ha good one Petra. So many of these boys are fighting to stop their
own enlightenment.
I agree. Damn that science! Damn the boorish demand for evidence!
Why can't people realize that reality is over-rated, and truth is a
matter of personal choice.
Keep up your fight against the rationality. The world would be much
less insane without you.
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| User: "Petra" |
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08 Jan 2007 08:08:10 PM |
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Tom McDonald wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
Petra wrote:
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Cayce?
Don't make me larf??!!!
Michael,
I shouldn't wish to make you laugh. Obviously you're so limited in
your
thinking and possibly reading materials it is I who should be laughing,
but rather, I feel sorry for you as your perception of the world is so
limited.
It's good you never worked on our early programs to go to the Moon. I
could
have seen you telling Kennedy it wasn't possible and have him banish
you
from the Kingdom of Astrophysics.
I hope you wake from your dreamful state one day to realize that there
is
nothing that is impossible, only those who are limited in their
thinking.
Ha ha good one Petra. So many of these boys are fighting to stop their
own enlightenment.
I agree. Damn that science! Damn the boorish demand for evidence!
Why can't people realize that reality is over-rated, and truth is a
matter of personal choice.
Keep up your fight against the rationality. The world would be much
less insane without you.
Tom,
I provided proof that Cayce was right about the boat underground in
Egypt
and he still wanted to laugh. So when is evidence ok and not ok? Only
when a scientist says it is, or when any evidence proves it?
Edgar Cayce's best work was in medicine. When doctors thew up their
hands and said a cure wasn't possible, he found cures for people.
Thousands
of them. If he were alive today he would be applauded as the greatest
medical
healer in the world. He was ahead of his time. Today they'd say he
was
practicing Holistic Medicine where in his time there was no such word.
Today
Holistic Medicine is one of the greatest financial booms in the world.
And
doctors recommend those remedies as well, when as little as 20 years
ago
they said it was bad medicine. My how things change.
So while the world is changing Michael can bury his head in his hands,
close
his eyes and pretend he lives on a farm in rural Kansas and nothing new
has
been discovered or ever will be.
Petra
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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09 Jan 2007 09:24:45 AM |
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"Petra" <petrasrcf@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168308490.518052.129390@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Tom McDonald wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
Petra wrote:
:
Cayce?
Don't make me larf??!!!
Michael,
I shouldn't wish to make you laugh. Obviously you're so limited in
your
thinking and possibly reading materials it is I who should be
laughing,
but rather, I feel sorry for you as your perception of the world is
so
limited.
It's good you never worked on our early programs to go to the Moon.
I
could
have seen you telling Kennedy it wasn't possible and have him banish
you
from the Kingdom of Astrophysics.
I hope you wake from your dreamful state one day to realize that
there
is
nothing that is impossible, only those who are limited in their
thinking.
Ha ha good one Petra. So many of these boys are fighting to stop their
own enlightenment.
I agree. Damn that science! Damn the boorish demand for evidence!
Why can't people realize that reality is over-rated, and truth is a
matter of personal choice.
Keep up your fight against the rationality. The world would be much
less insane without you.
Tom,
I provided proof that Cayce was right about the boat underground in
Egypt
and he still wanted to laugh. So when is evidence ok and not ok? Only
when a scientist says it is, or when any evidence proves it?
Edgar Cayce's best work was in medicine. When doctors thew up their
hands and said a cure wasn't possible, he found cures for people.
Thousands
of them. If he were alive today he would be applauded as the greatest
medical
healer in the world. He was ahead of his time. Today they'd say he
was
practicing Holistic Medicine where in his time there was no such word.
Today
Holistic Medicine is one of the greatest financial booms in the world.
And
doctors recommend those remedies as well, when as little as 20 years
ago
they said it was bad medicine. My how things change.
I met and had lunch with a gentleman who claims to channel Edgar Cayce - Is
eventually going to write a book listing all the things that Mr. Cayce
supposedly has told him. This same gentleman "contacted" Mr. Cayce during
the course of this lunch to ask him if the skin cancer that I had recently
removed was gone. According to what he was told by Mr. Cayce, it was still
there.
Funny, but he was completely wrong.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Scorpio" |
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09 Jan 2007 11:06:50 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
I met and had lunch with a gentleman who claims to channel Edgar Cayce - Is
eventually going to write a book listing all the things that Mr. Cayce
supposedly has told him. This same gentleman "contacted" Mr. Cayce during
the course of this lunch to ask him if the skin cancer that I had recently
removed was gone. According to what he was told by Mr. Cayce, it was still
there.
Who is this gentleman please? What did he look like when he went into
trance and what was his voice like?
Megan
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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10 Jan 2007 08:42:12 AM |
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"Scorpio" <mwhitney@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1168405610.064238.225050@p59g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
I met and had lunch with a gentleman who claims to channel Edgar Cayce -
Is
eventually going to write a book listing all the things that Mr. Cayce
supposedly has told him. This same gentleman "contacted" Mr. Cayce
during
the course of this lunch to ask him if the skin cancer that I had
recently
removed was gone. According to what he was told by Mr. Cayce, it was
still
there.
Who is this gentleman please? What did he look like when he went into
trance and what was his voice like?
I don't remember his name, but he was an older man, nice looking. He was a
friend of a co-worker (this was in NJ, BTW). We were actually having lunch
because he was thinking of hiring me to edit his book of Edgar Cayce
predictions. When he went into his trance, he just closed his eyes, put his
head back and leaned against the wall and was quiet for about a minute.
Mind you, this was in the middle of a restaurant. This one, in fact:
http://www.sanduccis.com/
When he spoke, it was just him speaking to me, not Edgar. Apparently he
just consulted the spirit of Edgar about my skin cancer during his "trance".
Uh huh.
Mind you, I don't believe a word of this nonsense and pretty much told him
so. That's probably why I didn't get the editing gig. Oh well! ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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