Religions > Atheism > Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com?
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"Jim Spaza" |
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10 Jun 2005 04:20:04 PM |
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Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
This challenge was issued by GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825.
What is wrong with the Christian apologetic website
www.answersingenesis.com ???
Please be courteous and specific.
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| User: "Deep Thought" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
24 Jun 2005 07:17:41 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:49:28 -0700, "Deep Thought"
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In article <rqidnS_lk-8C0SbfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
Mr. Kresh,
What does proving that there are an infinity of prime numbers
("Prime
numbers are more than any assigned multitude of prime numbers" -
Euclid)
have logically to do with proving the negative of an existential
proposition
concerning a hypothetical conscious entity, like proving the
non-existence
of Johnny's hypothetical God thingy???
Can you help me out here, genius? I still don't see the relevance.
Simple Septic has often claimed the non-existence of proofs of
non-existence.
No I do not claim that.
Yes, you have, liar.
No I do not claim that.
Yes you do, liar.
?How can you say that with a straight face when you know that I am agreeing
with you that the idea there might be a greatest prime number is absurd, and
is summarily rejected as absurd, due to Euclid's proof that there is no end
to the number of primes "Prime numbers are more than any assigned multitude
of prime numbers."
Euclid's proof:
Suppose that p1=2 < p2 = 3 < ... < pr are all of the primes. Let P =
p1p2...pr+1 and let p be a prime dividing P; then p can not be any of p1,
p2, ..., pr, otherwise p would divide the difference P-p1p2...pr=1, which is
impossible. So this prime p is still another prime, and p1, p2, ..., pr
would not be all of the primes.
So Euclid has
logically nothing to do with the issue here, Johnny's appeal to an
irrelevant conclusion, that if there were no God, then atheists would be
able to prove it, because Euclid proved "Prime numbers are more
than any assigned multitude of prime numbers" (there is no greatest prime
number, there are an infinite number of primes).
"The fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument
supports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do
with that conclusion." --
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#elenchi
If you do not agree that it is an appeal to an irrelevant conclusion, then
just go right ahead and detail the relevance.
<cue the chirping crickets>
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
24 Jun 2005 08:07:01 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:17:41 -0700, "Deep Thought"
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In article <rqidnS_lk-8C0SbfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
Mr. Kresh,
What does proving that there are an infinity of prime numbers
("Prime
numbers are more than any assigned multitude of prime numbers" -
Euclid)
have logically to do with proving the negative of an existential
proposition
concerning a hypothetical conscious entity, like proving the
non-existence
of Johnny's hypothetical God thingy???
Can you help me out here, genius? I still don't see the relevance.
Simple Septic has often claimed the non-existence of proofs of
non-existence.
No I do not claim that.
Yes, you have, liar.
No I do not claim that.
Yes you do, liar.
?How can you say that with a straight face
Because I know that you're lying.
Don
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| User: "Deep Thought" |
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24 Jun 2005 09:30:34 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:17:41 -0700, "Deep Thought"
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:49:28 -0700, "Deep Thought"
<dt@algia.org> let us all know that:
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:28:08 -0700, "Deep Thought"
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <rqidnS_lk-8C0SbfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
Mr. Kresh,
What does proving that there are an infinity of prime numbers
("Prime
numbers are more than any assigned multitude of prime numbers" -
Euclid)
have logically to do with proving the negative of an existential
proposition
concerning a hypothetical conscious entity, like proving the
non-existence
of Johnny's hypothetical God thingy???
Can you help me out here, genius? I still don't see the relevance.
Simple Septic has often claimed the non-existence of proofs of
non-existence.
No I do not claim that.
Yes, you have, liar.
No I do not claim that.
Yes you do, liar.
?How can you say that with a straight face
Because I know that you're lying.
Settle down now, Donald, I am AGREEING with you here.
?Why won't you let me agree with you that the idea
there might be a greatest prime number is an absurd idea?
Euclid proved that there is no end
to the number of primes: "Prime numbers are more than any assigned multitude
of prime numbers" didn't he?
Euclid's proof:
Suppose that p1=2 < p2 = 3 < ... < pr are all of the primes. Let P =
p1p2...pr+1 and let p be a prime dividing P; then p can not be any of p1,
p2, ..., pr, otherwise p would divide the difference P-p1p2...pr=1, which is
impossible. So this prime p is still another prime, and p1, p2, ..., pr
would not be all of the primes.
So Euclid has
logically nothing to do with the issue here, Johnny's appeal to an
irrelevant conclusion, that if there were no God, then atheists would be
able to prove it, because Euclid proved "Prime numbers are more
than any assigned multitude of prime numbers" (there is no greatest prime
number, there are an infinite number of primes).
"The fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument
supports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do
with that conclusion." --
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#elenchi
If you do not agree that it is an appeal to an irrelevant conclusion, then
just go right ahead and detail the relevance.
<cue the chirping crickets>
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
25 Jun 2005 12:29:43 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:30:34 -0700, "Deep Thought"
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In article <rqidnS_lk-8C0SbfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
Mr. Kresh,
What does proving that there are an infinity of prime numbers
("Prime
numbers are more than any assigned multitude of prime numbers" -
Euclid)
have logically to do with proving the negative of an existential
proposition
concerning a hypothetical conscious entity, like proving the
non-existence
of Johnny's hypothetical God thingy???
Can you help me out here, genius? I still don't see the relevance.
Simple Septic has often claimed the non-existence of proofs of
non-existence.
No I do not claim that.
Yes, you have, liar.
No I do not claim that.
Yes you do, liar.
?How can you say that with a straight face
Because I know that you're lying.
Don
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| User: "JHC" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
28 Jun 2005 12:47:46 PM |
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In article <rqidnS_lk-8C0SbfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
Mr. Kresh,
What does proving that there are an infinity of prime numbers
("Prime
numbers are more than any assigned multitude of prime numbers" -
Euclid)
have logically to do with proving the negative of an existential
proposition
concerning a hypothetical conscious entity, like proving the
non-existence
of Johnny's hypothetical God thingy???
Can you help me out here, genius? I still don't see the
relevance.
Simple Septic has often claimed the non-existence of proofs of
non-existence.
No I do not claim that.
Yes, you have, liar.
No I do not claim that.
Yes you do, liar.
?How can you say that with a straight face
Because I know that you're lying.
Don
Is this lame argument _ad hominem_ all you have Kresch?
Don't you have anything to say concerning the issue genuinely under
discussion here, Johnny's appeal to an
irrelevant conclusion, that if there were no God, then atheists would be
able to prove it, because Euclid proved there is no greatest prime
number, there are an infinite number of primes?
"The fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument
supports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do
with that conclusion." --
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#elenchi
If you do not agree that it is an appeal to an irrelevant conclusion, then
just go right ahead and detail the relevance.
<cue the chirping crickets>
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
28 Jun 2005 02:57:47 PM |
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In article <rqidnS_lk-8C0SbfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
Mr. Kresh,
What does proving that there are an infinity of prime numbers
("Prime
numbers are more than any assigned multitude of prime numbers" -
Euclid)
have logically to do with proving the negative of an existential
proposition
concerning a hypothetical conscious entity, like proving the
non-existence
of Johnny's hypothetical God thingy???
Can you help me out here, genius? I still don't see the
relevance.
Simple Septic has often claimed the non-existence of proofs of
non-existence.
No I do not claim that.
Yes, you have, liar.
No I do not claim that.
Yes you do, liar.
?How can you say that with a straight face
Because I know that you're lying.
Don
Is this lame argument _ad hominem_ all you have Kresch?
And how many personalities do you have, Sybil?
Don
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| User: "JHC" |
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28 Jun 2005 04:57:27 PM |
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In article <rqidnS_lk-8C0SbfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
Mr. Kresh,
What does proving that there are an infinity of prime numbers
("Prime
numbers are more than any assigned multitude of prime
numbers" -
Euclid)
have logically to do with proving the negative of an
existential
proposition
concerning a hypothetical conscious entity, like proving the
non-existence
of Johnny's hypothetical God thingy???
Can you help me out here, genius? I still don't see the
relevance.
Simple Septic has often claimed the non-existence of proofs of
non-existence.
No I do not claim that.
Yes, you have, liar.
No I do not claim that.
Yes you do, liar.
?How can you say that with a straight face
Because I know that you're lying.
Don
Is this lame argument _ad hominem_ all you have Kresch?
And how many personalities do you have, Sybil?
MORE argument _ad hominem_ piled on top of that shitload you have already
shoveled out????!? What a loser you are, Kresch!
Don't you have anything at all to say concerning the issue genuinely under
discussion here, Johnny's appeal to an
irrelevant conclusion, that if there were no God, then atheists would be
able to prove it, because Euclid proved there is no greatest prime
number, there are an infinite number of primes?
"The fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument
supports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do
with that conclusion." --
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#elenchi
If you do not agree that it is an appeal to an irrelevant conclusion, then
just go right ahead and detail the relevance.
<cue the chirping crickets>
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
28 Jun 2005 05:34:11 PM |
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In article <rqidnS_lk-8C0SbfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
Mr. Kresh,
What does proving that there are an infinity of prime numbers
("Prime
numbers are more than any assigned multitude of prime
numbers" -
Euclid)
have logically to do with proving the negative of an
existential
proposition
concerning a hypothetical conscious entity, like proving the
non-existence
of Johnny's hypothetical God thingy???
Can you help me out here, genius? I still don't see the
relevance.
Simple Septic has often claimed the non-existence of proofs of
non-existence.
No I do not claim that.
Yes, you have, liar.
No I do not claim that.
Yes you do, liar.
?How can you say that with a straight face
Because I know that you're lying.
Don
Is this lame argument _ad hominem_ all you have Kresch?
And how many personalities do you have, Sybil?
Don
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| User: "JHC" |
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28 Jun 2005 10:56:29 PM |
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Thought"
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In article <rqidnS_lk-8C0SbfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
Mr. Kresh,
What does proving that there are an infinity of prime
numbers
("Prime
numbers are more than any assigned multitude of prime
numbers" -
Euclid)
have logically to do with proving the negative of an
existential
proposition
concerning a hypothetical conscious entity, like proving the
non-existence
of Johnny's hypothetical God thingy???
Can you help me out here, genius? I still don't see the
relevance.
Simple Septic has often claimed the non-existence of proofs of
non-existence.
No I do not claim that.
Yes, you have, liar.
No I do not claim that.
Yes you do, liar.
?How can you say that with a straight face
Because I know that you're lying.
Don
Is this lame argument _ad hominem_ all you have Kresch?
And how many personalities do you have, Sybil?
MORE argument _ad hominem_ piled on top of that shitload you have already
shoveled out????!? What a loser you are, Kresch!
Don't you have anything at all to say concerning the issue genuinely under
discussion here, Johnny's appeal to an
irrelevant conclusion, that if there were no God, then atheists would be
able to prove it, because Euclid proved there is no greatest prime
number, there are an infinite number of primes?
"The fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument
supports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do
with that conclusion." --
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#elenchi
If you do not agree that it is an appeal to an irrelevant conclusion, then
just go right ahead and detail the relevance.
<cue the chirping crickets>
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In alt.atheism On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:56:29 -0700, "JHC"
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In alt.atheism On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:57:27 -0700, "JHC"
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In alt.atheism On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:47:46 -0700, "JHC"
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:30:34 -0700, "Deep Thought"
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:17:41 -0700, "Deep Thought"
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:49:28 -0700, "Deep Thought"
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:28:08 -0700, "Deep
Thought"
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <rqidnS_lk-8C0SbfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
Mr. Kresh,
What does proving that there are an infinity of prime
numbers
("Prime
numbers are more than any assigned multitude of prime
numbers" -
Euclid)
have logically to do with proving the negative of an
existential
proposition
concerning a hypothetical conscious entity, like proving the
non-existence
of Johnny's hypothetical God thingy???
Can you help me out here, genius? I still don't see the
relevance.
Simple Septic has often claimed the non-existence of proofs of
non-existence.
No I do not claim that.
Yes, you have, liar.
No I do not claim that.
Yes you do, liar.
?How can you say that with a straight face
Because I know that you're lying.
Don
Is this lame argument _ad hominem_ all you have Kresch?
And how many personalities do you have, Sybil?
Don
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25 Jun 2005 01:32:50 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:30:34 -0700, "Deep Thought"
<dt@algia.org> let us all know that:
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:17:41 -0700, "Deep Thought"
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:49:28 -0700, "Deep Thought"
<dt@algia.org> let us all know that:
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:28:08 -0700, "Deep Thought"
<dt@algia.org> let us all know that:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <rqidnS_lk-8C0SbfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
Mr. Kresh,
What does proving that there are an infinity of prime numbers
("Prime
numbers are more than any assigned multitude of prime numbers" -
Euclid)
have logically to do with proving the negative of an existential
proposition
concerning a hypothetical conscious entity, like proving the
non-existence
of Johnny's hypothetical God thingy???
Can you help me out here, genius? I still don't see the
relevance.
Simple Septic has often claimed the non-existence of proofs of
non-existence.
No I do not claim that.
Yes, you have, liar.
No I do not claim that.
Yes you do, liar.
?How can you say that with a straight face
Because I know that you're lying.
Don
Settle down now, Donald, I am AGREEING with you here.
I agree with you that the idea there might be one GREATEST prime number is
an absurd idea!
Euclid proved that there is no end to the number of primes: "Prime numbers
are more than any assigned multitude
of prime numbers" didn't he?
Euclid's proof:
Suppose that p1=2 < p2 = 3 < ... < pr are all of the primes. Let P =
p1p2...pr+1 and let p be a prime dividing P; then p can not be any of p1,
p2, ..., pr, otherwise p would divide the difference P-p1p2...pr=1, which is
impossible. So this prime p is still another prime, and p1, p2, ..., pr
would not be all of the primes.
So Euclid, proving the affirmative theorem, "There is no end to the number
of primes, prime numbers are more than any assigned multitude of prime
numbers," has logically nothing to do with the issue here, Johnny's appeal
to an irrelevant conclusion, that if there were no God, then atheists would
be able to prove it, because Euclid proved there is no greatest prime.
"The fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument
supports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do
with that conclusion." --
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#elenchi
If you do not agree that it is an appeal to an irrelevant conclusion, then
just go right ahead and detail the relevance.
That is, if you are interested in discussing this like an adult?
<cue the chirping crickets>
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:32:50 -0700, "Deep Thought"
<dt@algia.org> let us all know that:
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:30:34 -0700, "Deep Thought"
<dt@algia.org> let us all know that:
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:17:41 -0700, "Deep Thought"
<dt@algia.org> let us all know that:
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:49:28 -0700, "Deep Thought"
<dt@algia.org> let us all know that:
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:28:08 -0700, "Deep Thought"
<dt@algia.org> let us all know that:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <rqidnS_lk-8C0SbfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
Mr. Kresh,
What does proving that there are an infinity of prime numbers
("Prime
numbers are more than any assigned multitude of prime numbers" -
Euclid)
have logically to do with proving the negative of an existential
proposition
concerning a hypothetical conscious entity, like proving the
non-existence
of Johnny's hypothetical God thingy???
Can you help me out here, genius? I still don't see the
relevance.
Simple Septic has often claimed the non-existence of proofs of
non-existence.
No I do not claim that.
Yes, you have, liar.
No I do not claim that.
Yes you do, liar.
?How can you say that with a straight face
Because I know that you're lying.
Don
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25 Jun 2005 03:53:39 PM |
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Get back to me when you learn how to discuss things honestly, Kresch.
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:53:39 -0700, Loadnlock
<loadnlock@nospam.net> let us all know that:
Get back to me when you learn how to discuss things honestly, Kresch.
Get back to me when you learn how to discuss things honestly,
*****.
Don
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26 Jun 2005 01:43:15 AM |
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:53:39 -0700, Loadnlock
<loadnlock@nospam.net> let us all know that:
Get back to me when you learn how to discuss things honestly, Kresch.
Get back to me when you learn how to discuss things honestly,
*****.
I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to
you. Neener neener neener.
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26 Jun 2005 09:54:21 AM |
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:53:39 -0700, Loadnlock
<loadnlock@nospam.net> let us all know that:
Get back to me when you learn how to discuss things honestly, Kresch.
Get back to me when you learn how to discuss things honestly, *****.
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26 Jun 2005 01:39:24 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:53:39 -0700, Loadnlock
<loadnlock@nospam.net> let us all know that:
Get back to me when you learn how to discuss things honestly, Kresch.
Get back to me when you learn how to discuss things honestly, *****.
"*****"??? Look, Donald, argument _ad hominem_ like that won't help you
prop up Johnny's lame argument, Johnny's appeal to an irrelevant conclusion,
that if there were no God, then atheists would be able to prove it, because
Euclid proved there is no greatest prime.
"The fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument
supports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do
with that conclusion." --
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#elenchi
If you still believe it is relevant, I would love to see you explain the
relevance.
The floor is yours.
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:53:39 -0700, Loadnlock
<loadnlock@nospam.net> let us all know that:
Get back to me when you learn how to discuss things honestly, Kresch.
Get back to me when you learn how to discuss things honestly, *****.
Don
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:53:39 -0700, Loadnlock
<loadnlock@nospam.net> let us all know that:
Get back to me when you learn how to discuss things honestly, Kresch.
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