Religions > Atheism > Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com?
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"Jim Spaza" |
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10 Jun 2005 04:20:04 PM |
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Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
This challenge was issued by GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825.
What is wrong with the Christian apologetic website
www.answersingenesis.com ???
Please be courteous and specific.
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
12 Jun 2005 10:09:42 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims. Theism does. You are
expected to prove those claims or be considered deluded or wicked. Your
choice.
Elf
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| User: "Johnny" |
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12 Jun 2005 10:34:16 PM |
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"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims.
Can you prove that?
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Atheism claims non-existence, an unproven platform.
Theism does. You are
expected to prove those claims or be considered deluded or wicked.
Atheism has shown me no proof of their stance.
Threfore, I do not believe it.
Your
choice.
What claim are you thinking I made that you seem to think I need to prove?
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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12 Jun 2005 11:05:21 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims.
Can you prove that?
Sure. I make no claims. That's a brute fact.
My atheism has nothing to do with "god" or "gods" or "jesus" or
"brahama."
It's simply that when you tell me about these things, I don't
believe you. They're odd stories; that you take them so seriously makes
me believe that either there's something wrong with you that you believe
them so seriously, or there's something wrong with me that I don't see
why I should believe them.
Why should I believe your story?
Elf
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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13 Jun 2005 08:24:37 AM |
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:34:16 -0400, "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> let us all know that:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:87is0jt0jt.fsf@drizzle.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims.
Can you prove that?
Yes. Atheism makes no claims.
Atheism claims non-existence,
Liar.
Theism does. You are
expected to prove those claims or be considered deluded or wicked.
Atheism has shown me no proof of their stance.
English is your fourth language, isn't it?
Your
choice.
What claim are you thinking I made that you seem to think I need to prove?
That there is a god.
Don
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| User: "Johnny" |
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13 Jun 2005 02:49:29 PM |
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"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:34:16 -0400, "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> let us all know that:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims.
Can you prove that?
Yes. Atheism makes no claims.
Atheism claims non-existence,
Liar.
Theism does. You are
expected to prove those claims or be considered deluded or wicked.
Atheism has shown me no proof of their stance.
English is your fourth language, isn't it?
Your
choice.
What claim are you thinking I made that you seem to think I need to prove?
That there is a god.
When did I do that?
What will you do if you realize there are Gods?
Notice the plural form.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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13 Jun 2005 04:58:02 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:49:29 -0400, "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> let us all know that:
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:34:16 -0400, "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> let us all know that:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims.
Can you prove that?
Yes. Atheism makes no claims.
Atheism claims non-existence,
Liar.
Theism does. You are
expected to prove those claims or be considered deluded or wicked.
Atheism has shown me no proof of their stance.
English is your fourth language, isn't it?
Your
choice.
What claim are you thinking I made that you seem to think I need to prove?
That there is a god.
When did I do that?
By claiming that atheism is wrong.
What will you do if you realize there are Gods?
There aren't.
Notice the plural form.
Notice that you're still positing the existence of a deity.
Don
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| User: "Johnny" |
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13 Jun 2005 07:21:21 PM |
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"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:49:29 -0400, "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> let us all know that:
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:34:16 -0400, "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> let us all know that:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims.
Can you prove that?
Yes. Atheism makes no claims.
Atheism claims non-existence,
Liar.
Theism does. You are
expected to prove those claims or be considered deluded or wicked.
Atheism has shown me no proof of their stance.
English is your fourth language, isn't it?
Your
choice.
What claim are you thinking I made that you seem to think I need to
prove?
That there is a god.
When did I do that?
By claiming that atheism is wrong.
Where did I write that?
What will you do if you realize there are Gods?
There aren't.
That is what you will do?
Notice the plural form.
Notice that you're still positing the existence of a deity.
Where?
I asked you a question.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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13 Jun 2005 09:42:07 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:21:21 -0400, "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> let us all know that:
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:49:29 -0400, "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> let us all know that:
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:34:16 -0400, "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> let us all know that:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims.
Can you prove that?
Yes. Atheism makes no claims.
Atheism claims non-existence,
Liar.
Theism does. You are
expected to prove those claims or be considered deluded or wicked.
Atheism has shown me no proof of their stance.
English is your fourth language, isn't it?
Your
choice.
What claim are you thinking I made that you seem to think I need to
prove?
That there is a god.
When did I do that?
By claiming that atheism is wrong.
Where did I write that?
You said that "atheism (sic) has shown me no proof of their
stance). And that is why you don't go for it.
What will you do if you realize there are Gods?
There aren't.
That is what you will do?
There aren't.
Notice the plural form.
Notice that you're still positing the existence of a deity.
Where?
"What will you do if you realize there are Gods?"
Don
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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12 Jun 2005 10:37:08 PM |
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Johnny wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:87is0jt0jt.fsf@drizzle.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims.
Can you prove that?
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Atheism claims non-existence, an unproven platform.
Then you make claims about the nonexistence of the 3rd Planet of Rigel
having creatures made of cottage cheese and gummi-bears. Prove they
don't exist.
Theism does. You are
expected to prove those claims or be considered deluded or wicked.
Atheism has shown me no proof of their stance.
Threfore, I do not believe it.
You don't need to. Atheism has no stance beyond lack of belief in god(s).
Your
choice.
What claim are you thinking I made that you seem to think I need to prove?
God, for starters.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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13 Jun 2005 09:20:34 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:34:16 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:87is0jt0jt.fsf@drizzle.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims.
Can you prove that?
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Atheism claims non-existence, an unproven platform.
Liar.
An atheist is somebody who isn't theist.
Stop pretending this is too difficult to understand.
Learn to think outside the box, in the real world outside your
religion. Where your deity is merely one of thousands of different
deity-BELIEFs.
MERELY YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEF.
"God" is part of your virtual reality.
In the real world saying there's no God is no different than saying
there are no fairies at the bottom of the garden.
It's not a claim. We're talking about fairy stories, myths and legends
etc.
You only imagine it's a claim because you believe in the fairies at
the bottom of the garden. Or was it God? Whatever.
Theism does. You are
expected to prove those claims or be considered deluded or wicked.
Atheism has shown me no proof of their stance.
Pretends the dishonest bigot who is too stupid to understand that
atheist/atheism doesn't mean the lies his church has told him about
us.
Who hasn't the courtesy to let us have the position we actually do,
and refuses to listen when he is corrected.
In short, he's a typical delude, in-your-face nasty, brainwashed
fundamentalist. With the mentality of a Taleban wannabe.
Threfore, I do not believe it.
Idiot.
Your
choice.
What claim are you thinking I made that you seem to think I need to prove?
Your deity, moron.
When you presume its existence where it isn't mutually granted.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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13 Jun 2005 02:53:20 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:34:16 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:87is0jt0jt.fsf@drizzle.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims.
Can you prove that?
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Atheism claims non-existence, an unproven platform.
Liar.
Atheism states that there are Gods, or a God?
An atheist is somebody who isn't theist.
Stop pretending this is too difficult to understand.
Learn to think outside the box, in the real world outside your
religion. Where your deity is merely one of thousands of different
deity-BELIEFs.
MERELY YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEF.
"God" is part of your virtual reality.
In the real world saying there's no God is no different than saying
there are no fairies at the bottom of the garden.
It's not a claim. We're talking about fairy stories, myths and legends
etc.
You only imagine it's a claim because you believe in the fairies at
the bottom of the garden. Or was it God? Whatever.
Theism does. You are
expected to prove those claims or be considered deluded or wicked.
Atheism has shown me no proof of their stance.
Pretends the dishonest bigot who is too stupid to understand that
atheist/atheism doesn't mean the lies his church has told him about
us.
Who hasn't the courtesy to let us have the position we actually do,
and refuses to listen when he is corrected.
In short, he's a typical delude, in-your-face nasty, brainwashed
fundamentalist. With the mentality of a Taleban wannabe.
Therefore, I do not believe it.
Idiot.
I see no proof of Atheism. And, you provide none.
Therefore, I am unconvinced of your stance.
Your
choice.
What claim are you thinking I made that you seem to think I need to prove?
Your deity, moron.
When did I claim that?
While you claim Atheism, I ask you to prove it.
Why can't you support your claim?
When you presume its existence where it isn't mutually granted.
Mutually granted?
Are you referring to reproduction in the species?
Did you forget about asexual reproduction?
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| User: "Ricky Ticket" |
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16 Jun 2005 12:31:34 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:53:20 -0400, Johnny wrote
(in message <qslre.118914$J25.43246@bignews6.bellsouth.net>):
Atheism states that there are Gods, or a God?
The Bible states that there are "Gods". :o)
--
"Anytime an inmate escapes, it is justification for deadly force." --Osprey
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| User: "Terrell D Lewis" |
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12 Jun 2005 11:21:01 PM |
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On 12 Jun 2005 20:09:42 -0700, "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com>
wrote:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims
Atheism claims there is no God.
Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are
corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth
good.
Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth
good.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.lastofall.com
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| User: "Ricky Ticket" |
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13 Jun 2005 09:07:57 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 0:21:01 -0400, Terrell D Lewis wrote
(in message <e62qa112sidppmffvpclc94cj9dl66bola@4ax.com>):
Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are
corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth
good.
ooooooooooo quote war! :D
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and
the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother
in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Matthew
10:34-37)
Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth
good.
"And behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I
do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me
good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into
life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:16-17)
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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13 Jun 2005 11:17:35 AM |
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Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> wrote:
Terrell D Lewis wrote
Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are
corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth
good.
ooooooooooo quote war! :D
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and
the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother
in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Matthew
10:34-37)
"but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
Matt 5:22
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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13 Jun 2005 11:49:35 AM |
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Nice, now wait for the inevitable "nooo, you should interpret those
lines differently" excuses. When the words themselves don't provide
enough escape, there is always the moving target of interpretation.
I hypothesize that only those people who interpret the bible literally
may call themselves real Christians. The others are just soft-hearted
people who use a religion's holy book to try to rationalize their
humanistic outlook even though every page conflicts with what they say
they believe.
I don't mean the above too seriously, but it is obvious that even those
who follow that religion aren't sure who is and who isn't a real
follower.
Regards,
Talence
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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12 Jun 2005 11:33:16 PM |
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Terrell D Lewis <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:e62qa112sidppmffvpclc94cj9dl66bola@4ax.com:
On 12 Jun 2005 20:09:42 -0700, "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com>
wrote:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims
Atheism claims there is no God.
No, an atheist claims to see no reason to believe there is a god. Quite
a different thing. Just and hearing a man say he has not eaten spagetti
tells you nothing about what he *has* eaten, hearing a many say he does
not believe there is a god tells you nothing about what he *does*
believe. He may believe that no god can exist, or he may not know what
the word means.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Heard on alt.atheism...
All human progress of the past 200 years has been in spite of, not
because of, religion. Having battled that progress for centuries, the
Christians now show up to take credit for it. *****.
-- Sean C
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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12 Jun 2005 11:30:11 PM |
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Terrell D Lewis wrote:
On 12 Jun 2005 20:09:42 -0700, "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com>
wrote:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims
Atheism claims there is no God.
We do not claim there is no God.
Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are
corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth
good.
This is a mistranslation.
Nabal and his kind hath said "no to God." They are corrupt, they have
done abominable works, and there is none that doeth good.
No reference to "atheists." Since atheists are not corrpt, they do not
do abominable works, and we "doeth" lots of good, this is obviously not
what the psalmist was referring to.
No, the psalmist was referring to Nabal and his kind who refused David
and, in turn, refused God.
Check out 1 Samuel 25 for more info.
Also "There is" does not appear in the original Hebrew text. In fact,
in context, those that are "fools" say "no to God," not "no god."
Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth
good.
See above.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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13 Jun 2005 09:56:08 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 04:30:11 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com>
wrote:
Terrell D Lewis wrote:
On 12 Jun 2005 20:09:42 -0700, "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com>
wrote:
When you do that you have to prove it.
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
Yes, because atheism makes no claims
Atheism claims there is no God.
We do not claim there is no God.
How many times do we have to keep explaining this to him?
We shouldn't have to keep doing this.
And he should have the courtesy to accept what out POV is, even if he
doesn't understand it.
The conclusion is that he is either stupid or pretending to be.
Which is never far from the surface, and aren't particularly
flattering.
Eventually it no longer worth the effort to keep them submerged.
Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are
corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth
good.
This is a mistranslation.
Nabal and his kind hath said "no to God." They are corrupt, they have
done abominable works, and there is none that doeth good.
No reference to "atheists." Since atheists are not corrpt, they do not
do abominable works, and we "doeth" lots of good, this is obviously not
what the psalmist was referring to.
No, the psalmist was referring to Nabal and his kind who refused David
and, in turn, refused God.
Check out 1 Samuel 25 for more info.
Also "There is" does not appear in the original Hebrew text. In fact,
in context, those that are "fools" say "no to God," not "no god."
Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth
good.
The sanctimonious nastiness of the stupid theist: they can't get our
position right, the thoughts are theirs whererever they got the words
from, they don't care that the wholly babble is worthless to people
outside their religion but they talk at us as though it were
authoritative, etc.
See above.
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| User: "Iain Laskey" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
16 Jun 2005 01:49:46 PM |
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In article <EX2re.93456$CR5.54559@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com (Johnny) wrote:
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
To be fair, you can't prove a negative so it's a non starter trying to
prove atheism.
Iain
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
16 Jun 2005 05:48:58 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:49:46 GMT,
i.laskeyNOT@blueyonder.co.uk (Iain Laskey) let us all know that:
In article <EX2re.93456$CR5.54559@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com (Johnny) wrote:
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
To be fair, you can't prove a negative so it's a non starter trying to
prove atheism.
You can, but it's only done in specific cases.
Don
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| User: "Deep Thought" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
16 Jun 2005 06:33:26 PM |
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"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:ce04b192ep61i5hagtn0pt1bm2rpuddlh6@4ax.com...
In alt.atheism On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:49:46 GMT,
i.laskeyNOT@blueyonder.co.uk (Iain Laskey) let us all know that:
In article <EX2re.93456$CR5.54559@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com (Johnny) wrote:
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
To be fair, you can't prove a negative so it's a non starter trying to
prove atheism.
You can, but it's only done in specific cases.
Don
You mean for location propositions like, 'There is a can of beer in the
fridge' (falsifiable), not existential propositions like, 'There might be an
invisible deity' (not falsifiable, therefore metaphysical, as Popper points
out)?
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
17 Jun 2005 09:53:18 PM |
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In article <m76dncWedcujkS_fRVn-vg@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:ce04b192ep61i5hagtn0pt1bm2rpuddlh6@4ax.com...
In alt.atheism On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:49:46 GMT,
i.laskeyNOT@blueyonder.co.uk (Iain Laskey) let us all know that:
In article <EX2re.93456$CR5.54559@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com (Johnny) wrote:
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
To be fair, you can't prove a negative so it's a non starter trying to
prove atheism.
You can, but it's only done in specific cases.
Don
You mean for location propositions
Specific versions of gods can occasionally be proven not to exist by
reason of being self-contradictory. But unless the version is
sufficiently specific, that does not work.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
16 Jun 2005 01:53:46 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:49:46 GMT, (Iain
Laskey) wrote:
In article <EX2re.93456$CR5.54559@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com (Johnny) wrote:
You are exempt from proving atheism and expect me to prove theism?
To be fair, you can't prove a negative so it's a non starter trying to
prove atheism.
But there's nothing to prove - we're simply people who aren't theist.
That's all.
They have to take our word for it, that this actually describes us.
The vast majority of their attempts to describe it have been through a
perspective that simply does not apply, as though their presumptions
were universally granted.
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| User: "Terrell D Lewis" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
16 Jun 2005 02:14:18 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:53:46 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
They have to take our word for it
But only to the extent that atheists take theists "word for it."
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.lastofall.com
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Invisible" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
16 Jun 2005 02:22:49 PM |
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I just looked at http://www.lastofall.com
Why is it that all fundamentalist Christians are fat (their wives too), look
dumber than dogshit, and this Lewis guy even looks like Flanders on "The
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