Religions > Atheism > Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com?
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"Jim Spaza" |
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10 Jun 2005 04:20:04 PM |
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Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
This challenge was issued by GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825.
What is wrong with the Christian apologetic website
www.answersingenesis.com ???
Please be courteous and specific.
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| User: "Ricky Ticket" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
13 Jun 2005 09:36:49 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:41:55 -0400, Johnny wrote
(in message <aDpre.83721$lQ3.1532@bignews5.bellsouth.net>):
But there is no evidence of "god".
What if I told you He is alive and a good person and that He is coming to
see me this afternoon?
I'd need to see some identification.
From who?
He's not the brightest bulb in the bunch huh? ;o)
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"Anytime an inmate escapes, it is justification for deadly force." --Osprey
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
13 Jun 2005 10:41:58 PM |
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Johnny wrote:
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:17:27 -0400, "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> let us all know that:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 9:29:12 -0400, Johnny wrote
(in message <GKWqe.661$zm.440@bignews4.bellsouth.net>):
Do you see a problem with amassing evidence which verifies/supports
the
Biblical account?
If it is presented as a "Scientific" study and as "honesty", then yes.
I
have a problem with it because it is neither scientific or honest. It
is
religious fervor and "belief". :o)
Are you missing the evidence by refusing to accept that which you do not
believe?
She's not the one assuming the conclusion and then trying to find only
the
facts that support it. You are.
How so?
You assume that there is a god and twist reality to show it.
Why would someone with any intelligence discount something when proof is
abundant to support it?
But there is no evidence of "god".
What if I told you He is alive and a good person and that He is coming to
see me this afternoon?
I'd ask you to show us a picture of your meeting. JPG or GIF, please.
BMPs and TIFFs are just too large, filesizewise. :-)
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
13 Jun 2005 04:05:01 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:14:34 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<kMlre.118927$J25.40898@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:u82ra1trjsbs1jqnitqppgi2i785surr5b@4ax.com...
In alt.atheism On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:17:27 -0400, "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> let us all know that:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkekb7jagv.fsf@eris.io.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BED1F7170007474A2E45AB40@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 9:29:12 -0400, Johnny wrote
(in message <GKWqe.661$zm.440@bignews4.bellsouth.net>):
Do you see a problem with amassing evidence which verifies/supports
the
Biblical account?
If it is presented as a "Scientific" study and as "honesty", then yes.
I
have a problem with it because it is neither scientific or honest. It
is
religious fervor and "belief". :o)
Are you missing the evidence by refusing to accept that which you do not
believe?
She's not the one assuming the conclusion and then trying to find only
the
facts that support it. You are.
How so?
You assume that there is a god and twist reality to show it.
Why would someone with any intelligence discount something when proof is
abundant to support it?
But there is no evidence of "god".
What if I told you He is alive and a good person and that He is coming to
see me this afternoon?
I would say "Prove it".
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
13 Jun 2005 07:39:29 PM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:14:34 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<kMlre.118927$J25.40898@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:u82ra1trjsbs1jqnitqppgi2i785surr5b@4ax.com...
In alt.atheism On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:17:27 -0400, "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> let us all know that:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkekb7jagv.fsf@eris.io.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BED1F7170007474A2E45AB40@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 9:29:12 -0400, Johnny wrote
(in message <GKWqe.661$zm.440@bignews4.bellsouth.net>):
Do you see a problem with amassing evidence which verifies/supports
the
Biblical account?
If it is presented as a "Scientific" study and as "honesty", then
yes.
I
have a problem with it because it is neither scientific or honest.
It
is
religious fervor and "belief". :o)
Are you missing the evidence by refusing to accept that which you do
not
believe?
She's not the one assuming the conclusion and then trying to find only
the
facts that support it. You are.
How so?
You assume that there is a god and twist reality to show it.
Why would someone with any intelligence discount something when proof is
abundant to support it?
But there is no evidence of "god".
What if I told you He is alive and a good person and that He is coming to
see me this afternoon?
I would say "Prove it".
Why would I want to?
What if I wanted it to be a secret between me and Him?
I hope you see that I am NOT obligated to prove anything at all to you or to
do anything that you may want me to do or tell me to do.
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| User: "Somewriter" |
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16 Jun 2005 06:01:00 AM |
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....because if you care enough about your deity to promote It, you'll
care enough to prove Its existence.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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16 Jun 2005 09:10:59 AM |
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"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1118917497.957483.141140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
...because if you care enough about your deity to promote It, you'll
care enough to prove Its existence.
Did I say I can prove it?
I think I mentioned that I believe it to be true because of all the evidence
that I see to substantiate it to me and that I never saw any evidence to
disprove it.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
17 Jun 2005 11:02:14 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
:news:1118917497.957483.141140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> ...because if you care enough about your deity to promote It, you'll
:> care enough to prove Its existence.
:Did I say I can prove it?
:I think I mentioned that I believe it to be true because of all the evidence
:that I see to substantiate it to me and that I never saw any evidence to
:disprove it.
It's just a coincidence you flip out when anyone disagrees with your
hallucinations, right?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| User: "Johnny" |
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18 Jun 2005 07:14:20 AM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
:news:1118917497.957483.141140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> ...because if you care enough about your deity to promote It, you'll
:> care enough to prove Its existence.
:Did I say I can prove it?
:I think I mentioned that I believe it to be true because of all the
evidence
:that I see to substantiate it to me and that I never saw any evidence to
:disprove it.
It's just a coincidence you flip out when anyone disagrees with your
hallucinations, right?
Me flipping out?
Seems to me that others are flipping out and demanding that I prove God;s
existence to them.
Even if God were to be proven to them, how do you assume it would be me
doing it?
Can you prove yourself?
Understand that asking someone other than the entity who is to be proven is
not akin to seeking proof from the person you want to be proven.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
19 Jun 2005 12:23:58 AM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
:news:szk1x7048jd.fsf@eris.io.com...
:> "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:> :"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
:> :news:1118917497.957483.141140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> :> ...because if you care enough about your deity to promote It, you'll
:> :> care enough to prove Its existence.
:> :Did I say I can prove it? I think I mentioned that I believe it to be
:> :true because of all the evidence that I see to substantiate it to me and
:> :that I never saw any evidence to disprove it.
:> It's just a coincidence you flip out when anyone disagrees with your
:> hallucinations, right?
:Me flipping out?
You lost your marbles long ago.
:Seems to me that others are flipping out and demanding that I prove God;s
:existence to them.
You're the schmuck claiming that he exists. Get cracking on it, or stand
revealed as a liar.
:Even if God were to be proven to them, how do you assume it would be me doing
:it? Can you prove yourself?
You've called my home phone and heard my greeting. Every government agency
I've dealt with is satisfied that I'm who I say I am. (Maybe that's why I'm
not in a loony bin in South Carolina, wot?)
:Understand that asking someone other than the entity who is to be proven is
:not akin to seeking proof from the person you want to be proven.
In other words, you're implicity admitting to lying, and trying to find any
excuse to wimp out of providing your proof - because you know it can't be
done. Quelle surprise.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| User: "Johnny" |
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19 Jun 2005 07:15:33 AM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
:news:szk1x7048jd.fsf@eris.io.com...
:> "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:> :"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
:> :news:1118917497.957483.141140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> :> ...because if you care enough about your deity to promote It, you'll
:> :> care enough to prove Its existence.
:> :Did I say I can prove it? I think I mentioned that I believe it to be
:> :true because of all the evidence that I see to substantiate it to me
and
:> :that I never saw any evidence to disprove it.
:> It's just a coincidence you flip out when anyone disagrees with your
:> hallucinations, right?
:Me flipping out?
You lost your marbles long ago.
:Seems to me that others are flipping out and demanding that I prove God;s
:existence to them.
You're the schmuck claiming that he exists.
Did I type "God exists"?
Or did I type, "I know that God exists...."
Get cracking on it, or stand
revealed as a liar.
You are commanding me to do something?
The comedic talents of one Patrick Humphrey seem limited, yet I do find it
amusing that such a statement would be supposed to have any force in the
world.
:Even if God were to be proven to them, how do you assume it would be me
doing
:it? Can you prove yourself?
You've called my home phone and heard my greeting.
Yes, and it seemed to contain an anti-telemarketing message.
Every government agency
I've dealt with is satisfied that I'm who I say I am. (Maybe that's why
I'm
not in a loony bin in South Carolina, wot?)
:Understand that asking someone other than the entity who is to be proven
is
:not akin to seeking proof from the person you want to be proven.
In other words, you're implicity admitting to lying,
Where did I lie?
and trying to find any
excuse to wimp out of providing your proof
Wimping out?
Why do you ask me for proof of someone else?
- because you know it can't be
done.
To whose satisfaction?
I never said it can't be done.
Quelle surprise.
You're surprised?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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19 Jun 2005 09:04:25 AM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
:news:szkaclmsyvl.fsf@eris.io.com...
:> "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:> :"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
:> :news:szk1x7048jd.fsf@eris.io.com...
:> :> "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:> :> :"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
:> :> :news:1118917497.957483.141140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> :> :> ...because if you care enough about your deity to promote It, you'll
:> :> :> care enough to prove Its existence.
:> :> :Did I say I can prove it? I think I mentioned that I believe it to be
:> :> :true because of all the evidence that I see to substantiate it to me and
:> :> :that I never saw any evidence to disprove it.
:> :> It's just a coincidence you flip out when anyone disagrees with your
:> :> hallucinations, right?
:> :Me flipping out?
:> You lost your marbles long ago.
No response? I can see why.
:> :Seems to me that others are flipping out and demanding that I prove God;s
:> :existence to them.
:> You're the schmuck claiming that he exists.
:Did I type "God exists"? Or did I type, "I know that God exists...."
The latter - which means you just made the positive assertion and then refused
to back it up with anything but your repeated assertion. So, are you lying or
are you stupid? Those are the only two answers to that question.
:> Get cracking on it, or stand revealed as a liar.
:You are commanding me to do something?
I have no illusions that a whackjob like you would ever do anything I say.
:The comedic talents of one Patrick Humphrey seem limited, yet I do find it
:amusing that such a statement would be supposed to have any force in the
:world.
It could, but I have better things to do with my time than to go after a
lunatic in South Carolina when it's obvious he's the running joke of Anderson
County. (There's an Anderson County in Texas, as well, but it doesn't have
the stigma of being home to you. It's roughly halfway between here and
Dallas.)
:> :Even if God were to be proven to them, how do you assume it would be me
:> :doing it? Can you prove yourself?
:> You've called my home phone and heard my greeting.
:Yes, and it seemed to contain an anti-telemarketing message.
Indeed, and I made that statement in it.
[...]
:> :Understand that asking someone other than the entity who is to be proven is
:> :not akin to seeking proof from the person you want to be proven.
:> In other words, you're implicity admitting to lying,
:Where did I lie?
You're claiming that your alleged deity exists, and then trying to find an
excuse for not providing any proof of your assertion.
:> and trying to find any excuse to wimp out of providing your proof
:Wimping out? Why do you ask me for proof of someone else?
You're the gibbering loon who's claiming that said someone else exists and
then refusing to prove his assertions.
:> - because you know it can't be done.
:To whose satisfaction? I never said it can't be done.
It's just a coincidence you've never done so.
:> Quelle surprise.
:You're surprised?
That was what should have been obvious sarcasm - but then, you're obviously
stupid.
(You won't be dialing up my home phone, either. If you do, I'll just point
the readers to the whois for your domain name, which features your phone
number.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
19 Jun 2005 09:26:42 AM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
:news:szkaclmsyvl.fsf@eris.io.com...
:> "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:> :"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
:> :news:szk1x7048jd.fsf@eris.io.com...
:> :> "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:> :> :"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
:> :> :news:1118917497.957483.141140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> :> :> ...because if you care enough about your deity to promote It,
you'll
:> :> :> care enough to prove Its existence.
:> :> :Did I say I can prove it? I think I mentioned that I believe it to
be
:> :> :true because of all the evidence that I see to substantiate it to
me and
:> :> :that I never saw any evidence to disprove it.
:> :> It's just a coincidence you flip out when anyone disagrees with your
:> :> hallucinations, right?
:> :Me flipping out?
:> You lost your marbles long ago.
No response? I can see why.
:> :Seems to me that others are flipping out and demanding that I prove
God;s
:> :existence to them.
:> You're the schmuck claiming that he exists.
:Did I type "God exists"? Or did I type, "I know that God exists...."
The latter - which means you just made the positive assertion and then
refused
to back it up with anything but your repeated assertion. So, are you
lying or
are you stupid? Those are the only two answers to that question.
:> Get cracking on it, or stand revealed as a liar.
:You are commanding me to do something?
I have no illusions that a whackjob like you would ever do anything I say.
:The comedic talents of one Patrick Humphrey seem limited, yet I do find
it
:amusing that such a statement would be supposed to have any force in the
:world.
It could,
How could you command me to do something and I be required to perform what
you tell me to do?
You got a job opening?
but I have better things to do with my time than to go after a
lunatic in South Carolina when it's obvious he's the running joke of
Anderson
County. (There's an Anderson County in Texas, as well, but it doesn't
have
the stigma of being home to you. It's roughly halfway between here and
Dallas.)
:> :Even if God were to be proven to them, how do you assume it would be
me
:> :doing it? Can you prove yourself?
:> You've called my home phone and heard my greeting.
:Yes, and it seemed to contain an anti-telemarketing message.
Indeed, and I made that statement in it.
[...]
:> :Understand that asking someone other than the entity who is to be
proven is
:> :not akin to seeking proof from the person you want to be proven.
:> In other words, you're implicity admitting to lying,
:Where did I lie?
You're claiming that your alleged deity exists, and then trying to find an
excuse for not providing any proof of your assertion.
:> and trying to find any excuse to wimp out of providing your proof
:Wimping out? Why do you ask me for proof of someone else?
You're the gibbering loon who's claiming that said someone else exists and
then refusing to prove his assertions.
If I say you exist then how would *I* prove it?
:> - because you know it can't be done.
:To whose satisfaction? I never said it can't be done.
It's just a coincidence you've never done so.
Is that supposed to make people stop believing it?
:> Quelle surprise.
:You're surprised?
That was what should have been obvious sarcasm - but then, you're
obviously
stupid.
(You won't be dialing up my home phone, either. If you do, I'll just
point
the readers to the whois for your domain name, which features your phone
number.)
Well, I got Caller ID and ACR.
The only reason I would want to call you is for mutual benefit.
The scenario that occurred so long ago now is moot to me.
We are on different terms now I take it.
Wouldnt you agree with that?
Consider how long it has been since my fury was so hot.
I am not so mad about these things now, more like disstressed, yet I will
not deprive people of their legal right to due process if they commit a
crime which the legal establishment has decided to treat as a real crime
when, in fact, in some instances, no crime was actually committed.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
19 Jun 2005 10:27:52 AM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
:news:szkfyvexx1y.fsf@eris.io.com...
:> "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
[...]
:> :The comedic talents of one Patrick Humphrey seem limited, yet I do find it
:> :amusing that such a statement would be supposed to have any force in the
:> :world.
[Wentzky's cut-and-paste fetish repaired]
:> It could, but I have better things to do with my time than to go after a
:> lunatic in South Carolina when it's obvious he's the running joke of
:> Anderson County. (There's an Anderson County in Texas, as well, but it
:> doesn't have the stigma of being home to you. It's roughly halfway between
:> here and Dallas.)
:How could you command me to do something and I be required to perform what
:you tell me to do? You got a job opening?
Sorry, but I wouldn't hire you - because you're not qualified for anything.
[...]
:> :Wimping out? Why do you ask me for proof of someone else?
:> You're the gibbering loon who's claiming that said someone else exists and
:> then refusing to prove his assertions.
:If I say you exist then how would *I* prove it?
Providing evidence - like, a birth certificate, a driver's license, a phone
record or two, SSN, and the like...of course, that's something you shouldn't
be able to do, because of prrivacy concerns.
:> :> - because you know it can't be done.
:> :To whose satisfaction? I never said it can't be done.
:> It's just a coincidence you've never done so.
:Is that supposed to make people stop believing it?
It's a bit of information that will allow readers to have more data on which
to base their conclusions about you. (In case you haven't figured it out, I
don't speak for them.)
:> :> Quelle surprise.
:> :You're surprised?
:> That was what should have been obvious sarcasm - but then, you're obviously
:> stupid.
:> (You won't be dialing up my home phone, either. If you do, I'll just point
:> the readers to the whois for your domain name, which features your phone
:> number.)
:Well, I got Caller ID and ACR.
....which could be easily evaded. (I don't fake CLID, but that doesn't mean
others can't or won't.)
:The only reason I would want to call you is for mutual benefit.
:The scenario that occurred so long ago now is moot to me.
:We are on different terms now I take it.
:Wouldnt you agree with that?
We've been on different terms all along. I'm sane. You're not.
:Consider how long it has been since my fury was so hot.
....about 20 minutes. (Unless that's some other John Wentzky whining about the
legal force of the Declaration of Independence.)
:I am not so mad about these things now, more like disstressed, yet I will
:not deprive people of their legal right to due process if they commit a
:crime which the legal establishment has decided to treat as a real crime
:when, in fact, in some instances, no crime was actually committed.
That explains why you're not in church on a Sunday morning, then: you're
still at large without a clue.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
19 Jun 2005 07:24:51 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:15:33 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<qhdte.108926$8S5.69043@bignews3.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkaclmsyvl.fsf@eris.io.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
:news:szk1x7048jd.fsf@eris.io.com...
:> "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:> :"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
:> :news:1118917497.957483.141140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> :> ...because if you care enough about your deity to promote It, you'll
:> :> care enough to prove Its existence.
:> :Did I say I can prove it? I think I mentioned that I believe it to be
:> :true because of all the evidence that I see to substantiate it to me
and
:> :that I never saw any evidence to disprove it.
:> It's just a coincidence you flip out when anyone disagrees with your
:> hallucinations, right?
:Me flipping out?
You lost your marbles long ago.
:Seems to me that others are flipping out and demanding that I prove God;s
:existence to them.
You're the schmuck claiming that he exists.
Did I type "God exists"?
Or did I type, "I know that God exists...."
Don't you understand they are the same? Each is an assertion to be
supported.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
19 Jun 2005 07:29:50 AM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:15:33 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<qhdte.108926$8S5.69043@bignews3.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkaclmsyvl.fsf@eris.io.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
:news:szk1x7048jd.fsf@eris.io.com...
:> "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:> :"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
:> :news:1118917497.957483.141140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> :> ...because if you care enough about your deity to promote It,
you'll
:> :> care enough to prove Its existence.
:> :Did I say I can prove it? I think I mentioned that I believe it to
be
:> :true because of all the evidence that I see to substantiate it to me
and
:> :that I never saw any evidence to disprove it.
:> It's just a coincidence you flip out when anyone disagrees with your
:> hallucinations, right?
:Me flipping out?
You lost your marbles long ago.
:Seems to me that others are flipping out and demanding that I prove
God;s
:existence to them.
You're the schmuck claiming that he exists.
Did I type "God exists"?
Or did I type, "I know that God exists...."
Don't you understand they are the same?
No.
I understand that they are two different statements, one statement
containing two words and the other statement containing five words.
Each is an assertion to be
supported.
I already supported my statement earlier.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
19 Jun 2005 12:06:47 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:29:50 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<Qudte.108930$8S5.30101@bignews3.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:kuoab1lfq6tukshd221s4vecda9r68oub7@4ax.com...
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:15:33 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<qhdte.108926$8S5.69043@bignews3.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkaclmsyvl.fsf@eris.io.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
:news:szk1x7048jd.fsf@eris.io.com...
:> "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:> :"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
:> :news:1118917497.957483.141140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> :> ...because if you care enough about your deity to promote It,
you'll
:> :> care enough to prove Its existence.
:> :Did I say I can prove it? I think I mentioned that I believe it to
be
:> :true because of all the evidence that I see to substantiate it to me
and
:> :that I never saw any evidence to disprove it.
:> It's just a coincidence you flip out when anyone disagrees with your
:> hallucinations, right?
:Me flipping out?
You lost your marbles long ago.
:Seems to me that others are flipping out and demanding that I prove
God;s
:existence to them.
You're the schmuck claiming that he exists.
Did I type "God exists"?
Or did I type, "I know that God exists...."
Don't you understand they are the same?
No.
I understand that they are two different statements, one statement
containing two words and the other statement containing five words.
Both of them assert a god exists. And therefore either one requires
proof.
Each is an assertion to be
supported.
I already supported my statement earlier.
No, you have not. The only way to do that would be to provide the
proof requested.
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| User: "Deep Thought" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
19 Jun 2005 12:36:38 PM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:29:50 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<Qudte.108930$8S5.30101@bignews3.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:kuoab1lfq6tukshd221s4vecda9r68oub7@4ax.com...
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:15:33 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<qhdte.108926$8S5.69043@bignews3.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkaclmsyvl.fsf@eris.io.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
:news:szk1x7048jd.fsf@eris.io.com...
:> "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:> :"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
:> :news:1118917497.957483.141140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> :> ...because if you care enough about your deity to promote It,
you'll
:> :> care enough to prove Its existence.
:> :Did I say I can prove it? I think I mentioned that I believe it
to
be
:> :true because of all the evidence that I see to substantiate it to
me
and
:> :that I never saw any evidence to disprove it.
:> It's just a coincidence you flip out when anyone disagrees with
your
:> hallucinations, right?
:Me flipping out?
You lost your marbles long ago.
:Seems to me that others are flipping out and demanding that I prove
God;s
:existence to them.
You're the schmuck claiming that he exists.
Did I type "God exists"?
Or did I type, "I know that God exists...."
Don't you understand they are the same?
No.
I understand that they are two different statements, one statement
containing two words and the other statement containing five words.
Both of them assert a god exists. And therefore either one requires
proof.
Each is an assertion to be
supported.
I already supported my statement earlier.
No, you have not. The only way to do that would be to provide the
proof requested.
Johnny is just like Virgil, Jeff Young, Richo and their ilk, who think they
can get away with arguing _ad ignorantiam_ there might actually be an
invisible God because there is no proof there isn't. That's just classic
textbook theist logical fallacy, as Copi points out:
<quote>
Famous in the history of science is the argument _ad ignorantiam_ given in
criticism of Galileo, when he showed leading astronomers of his time the
mountains and valleys on the moon that could be seen through his telescope.
Some scholars of that age, absolutely convinced that the moon was a perfect
sphere, as theology and Aristotelian science had long taught, argued against
Galileo that, although we see what appear to be mountains and valleys, the
moon is in fact a perfect sphere, because all its apparent irregularities
are filled in by an invisible crystalline substance. And this hypothesis,
which saves the perfection of the heavenly bodies, Galileo could not prove
false!
Galileo, to expose the argument _ad ignorantium_, offered another of the
same kind as a caricature. Unable to prove the nonexistence of the
transparent crystal supposedly filling the valleys, he put forward the
equally probable hypothesis that there were, rearing up from the invisible
crystalline envelope on the moon, even greater mountain peaks -- but made
of crystal and thus invisible! And this hypothesis his critics could not
prove false.
</quote>
(Copi and Cohen, _Introduction to Logic_, p. 117)
[In this case the term, 'hypothesis' means conjecture, a speculative, 'might
be' imagining with no basis in fact.]
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
19 Jun 2005 02:00:53 PM |
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In article <l8Wdnc3QIKq4MCjfRVn-2Q@comcast.com>,
"Deep Thought" <dt@algia.org> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:vd9bb19ecceg2fj249ado1jrbdvjgt1i00@4ax.com...
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:29:50 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<Qudte.108930$8S5.30101@bignews3.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:kuoab1lfq6tukshd221s4vecda9r68oub7@4ax.com...
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:15:33 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<qhdte.108926$8S5.69043@bignews3.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkaclmsyvl.fsf@eris.io.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
:news:szk1x7048jd.fsf@eris.io.com...
:> "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:> :"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
:> :news:1118917497.957483.141140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> :> ...because if you care enough about your deity to promote It,
you'll
:> :> care enough to prove Its existence.
:> :Did I say I can prove it? I think I mentioned that I believe it
to
be
:> :true because of all the evidence that I see to substantiate it to
me
and
:> :that I never saw any evidence to disprove it.
:> It's just a coincidence you flip out when anyone disagrees with
your
:> hallucinations, right?
:Me flipping out?
You lost your marbles long ago.
:Seems to me that others are flipping out and demanding that I prove
God;s
:existence to them.
You're the schmuck claiming that he exists.
Did I type "God exists"?
Or did I type, "I know that God exists...."
Don't you understand they are the same?
No.
I understand that they are two different statements, one statement
containing two words and the other statement containing five words.
Both of them assert a god exists. And therefore either one requires
proof.
Each is an assertion to be
supported.
I already supported my statement earlier.
No, you have not. The only way to do that would be to provide the
proof requested.
Johnny is just like Virgil, Jeff Young, Richo and their ilk, who think they
can get away with arguing _ad ignorantiam_ there might actually be an
invisible God because there is no proof there isn't.
Simple Septic tries to make out that because there is no
incontrovertible proof that any gods exist we must all accept that any
such thing as a god is impossible.
Those of us, like the agnostics, with more sense, say that we cannot
know a anything to be impossible without evidence that it is impossible,
and that there is no evidence that gods are impossible.
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