Religions > Atheism > Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com?
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"Jim Spaza" |
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10 Jun 2005 04:20:04 PM |
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Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
This challenge was issued by GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825.
What is wrong with the Christian apologetic website
www.answersingenesis.com ???
Please be courteous and specific.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
14 Jul 2005 12:09:32 AM |
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In article <3K6dnUwFUPYn9kjfRVn-og@comcast.com>, "JHC" <jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <MJOdnc30nI2mdk7fRVn-3g@comcast.com>, "JHC" <jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
Simple Septic misses the point. Not all non-believers are disbelievers
like Simple Septic who says " We KNOW there is no God"
Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief that there is a
possibility that there might actually be an invisible God;
To refuse to reject the possibility of gods ...
What possibility there might be gods?
Does Simple Septic claim he can prove that there is no such possibility?
That is what would be required to reject it. Note that refusing to
reject does not imply acceptance.
Agnostics refuse to reject or accept many of things on the general
principle that one should do neither without supportive evidence.
Simple Septic is quite willing to reject or accept things wihtout any
evidence at all, such as his rejection of any possibility that any gods
might exist and his acceptance of the claim that no gods exist, both
totally without any supportive evidence. he thus doubly commits the one
deadly sin of agnosticism.
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| User: "JHC" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
14 Jul 2005 01:10:15 PM |
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <3K6dnUwFUPYn9kjfRVn-og@comcast.com>, "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-5EFE2E.14005612072005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <MJOdnc30nI2mdk7fRVn-3g@comcast.com>, "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
Simple Septic misses the point. Not all non-believers are
disbelievers
like Simple Septic who says " We KNOW there is no God"
Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief that
there is a
possibility that there might actually be an invisible God;
To refuse to reject the possibility of gods ...
What possibility there might be gods? How does one compute the
probability of an
invisible god? Show your work so I can check your math.
Does Simple Septic claim he can prove that there is no such
possibility?
No, I am asking a question about your statement. My question is:
What possibility there might be gods? How does one compute the
probability of an
invisible god? Show your work so I can check your math.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
12 Jul 2005 11:21:06 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:09:40 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <MJOdnc30nI2mdk7fRVn-3g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-190959.15150811072005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <g9ydnfLi5JTYK0_fRVn-tA@comcast.com>, "JHC" <jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
Yes it does, Silverspoon; 'disbeliever' and 'non-believer' (atheist)
have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
All As are Bs. That does not mean all Bs are As.
You are missing the point, Silverspoon; the point is that 'disbeliever'
and
'non-believer' (atheist) have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
Simple Septic misses the point. Not all non-believers are disbelievers
like Simple Septic who says " We KNOW there is no God"
Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief that there is a
possibility that there might actually be an invisible God; I am not a
believer, I am among the non-believers in this case, so you are appealing to
an irrelevant conclusion again.
Talk about irrelevant conclusion, how are your (mine, anyone's)
personal religious views relevant to anything here?
"The fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument
supports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do
with that conclusion." --
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#elenchi
You boys are missing the point; the point is that 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer' (atheist) have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
synonym : one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that
have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses
www.m-w.com
--
Matt Silberstein
I needed a drink, I needed a lot of life insurance, I needed a vacation, I needed a home in the country. What I had was a coat, a hat and a gun.
Raymond Chandler
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| User: "JHC" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
13 Jul 2005 03:00:55 AM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:9dr7d1tdfdhsdta3d44nav04us83ds8ltu@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:09:40 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <MJOdnc30nI2mdk7fRVn-3g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-190959.15150811072005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <g9ydnfLi5JTYK0_fRVn-tA@comcast.com>, "JHC" <jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
Yes it does, Silverspoon; 'disbeliever' and 'non-believer' (atheist)
have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
All As are Bs. That does not mean all Bs are As.
You are missing the point, Silverspoon; the point is that 'disbeliever'
and
'non-believer' (atheist) have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
Simple Septic misses the point. Not all non-believers are disbelievers
like Simple Septic who says " We KNOW there is no God"
Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief that there is a
possibility that there might actually be an invisible God; I am not a
believer, I am among the non-believers in this case, so you are appealing
to
an irrelevant conclusion again.
Talk about irrelevant conclusion, how are your (mine, anyone's)
personal religious views relevant to anything here?
Aren't we comparing the two similar terms, 'disbeliever' and 'non-believer'
? If that doesn't concern religious belief (or the lack of it, for
atheists), then what are we discussing, ordering chopped liver from the
deli?
"The fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an
argument
supports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to
do
with that conclusion." --
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#elenchi
You boys are missing the point; the point is that 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer' (atheist) have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
synonym : one of two or more words or expressions of the same language
that
have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses
www.m-w.com
--
Matt Silberstein
I needed a drink, I needed a lot of life insurance, I needed a vacation, I
needed a home in the country. What I had was a coat, a hat and a gun.
Raymond Chandler
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
13 Jul 2005 09:20:17 PM |
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In article <9PSdnUgJie-xV0nfRVn-2g@comcast.com>, "JHC" <jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
Talk about irrelevant conclusion, how are your (mine, anyone's)
personal religious views relevant to anything here?
Aren't we comparing the two similar terms, 'disbeliever' and 'non-believer'
? If that doesn't concern religious belief (or the lack of it, for
atheists), then what are we discussing, ordering chopped liver from the
deli?
AS far as Simple Septic is concerned, rdering chopped liver is as clote
to relevant as he gets.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
13 Jul 2005 06:15:38 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:00:55 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <9PSdnUgJie-xV0nfRVn-2g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:9dr7d1tdfdhsdta3d44nav04us83ds8ltu@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:09:40 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <MJOdnc30nI2mdk7fRVn-3g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-190959.15150811072005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <g9ydnfLi5JTYK0_fRVn-tA@comcast.com>, "JHC" <jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
Yes it does, Silverspoon; 'disbeliever' and 'non-believer' (atheist)
have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
All As are Bs. That does not mean all Bs are As.
You are missing the point, Silverspoon; the point is that 'disbeliever'
and
'non-believer' (atheist) have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
Simple Septic misses the point. Not all non-believers are disbelievers
like Simple Septic who says " We KNOW there is no God"
Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief that there is a
possibility that there might actually be an invisible God; I am not a
believer, I am among the non-believers in this case, so you are appealing
to
an irrelevant conclusion again.
Talk about irrelevant conclusion, how are your (mine, anyone's)
personal religious views relevant to anything here?
Aren't we comparing the two similar terms, 'disbeliever' and 'non-believer'
? If that doesn't concern religious belief (or the lack of it, for
atheists), then what are we discussing, ordering chopped liver from the
deli?
How are *your* *personal* religious views relevant? The meanings of
the terms and statements in question do not change based on your
views.
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
I needed a drink, I needed a lot of life insurance, I needed a vacation, I needed a home in the country. What I had was a coat, a hat and a gun.
Raymond Chandler
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| User: "JHC" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
13 Jul 2005 10:45:22 AM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:ost9d19svp92auespue4d2jk672b2bm5qj@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:00:55 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <9PSdnUgJie-xV0nfRVn-2g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:9dr7d1tdfdhsdta3d44nav04us83ds8ltu@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:09:40 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <MJOdnc30nI2mdk7fRVn-3g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-190959.15150811072005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <g9ydnfLi5JTYK0_fRVn-tA@comcast.com>, "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
Yes it does, Silverspoon; 'disbeliever' and 'non-believer'
(atheist)
have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
All As are Bs. That does not mean all Bs are As.
You are missing the point, Silverspoon; the point is that
'disbeliever'
and
'non-believer' (atheist) have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
Simple Septic misses the point. Not all non-believers are disbelievers
like Simple Septic who says " We KNOW there is no God"
Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief that there is a
possibility that there might actually be an invisible God; I am not a
believer, I am among the non-believers in this case, so you are
appealing
to
an irrelevant conclusion again.
Talk about irrelevant conclusion, how are your (mine, anyone's)
personal religious views relevant to anything here?
Aren't we comparing the two similar terms, 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer'
? If that doesn't concern religious belief (or the lack of it, for
atheists), then what are we discussing, ordering chopped liver from the
deli?
How are *your* *personal* religious views relevant? The meanings of
the terms and statements in question do not change based on your
views.
This isn't about me, it is about the two terms, 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer' (atheist) having
nearly the same meaning (they are synonyms). Disbelievers are not believers,
they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
synonym : one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that
have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses
www.m-w.com
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disbelief
disbelief
English
Noun
disbelief (plural: disbeliefs)
the condition of not believing
My sister cried out in disbelief when she heard that terrorists had crashed
an airplane into the World Trade Center in New York City.
Retrieved from "http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disbelief"
synonym atheism
atheism
English
Noun
the absence of belief in deities. (weak atheism)
the antonym of theism (belief in a god or gods).
synonym of disbelief
synonym : one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that
have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses
www.m-w.com
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| User: "Virgil" |
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13 Jul 2005 09:21:09 PM |
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In article <6vCdnSgycoiaqkjfRVn-3w@comcast.com>, "JHC" <jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
How are *your* *personal* religious views relevant? The meanings of
the terms and statements in question do not change based on your
views.
This isn't about me
Whenever Simple Septic is posting, it is about himself.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
13 Jul 2005 11:35:29 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:45:22 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <6vCdnSgycoiaqkjfRVn-3w@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:ost9d19svp92auespue4d2jk672b2bm5qj@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:00:55 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <9PSdnUgJie-xV0nfRVn-2g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:9dr7d1tdfdhsdta3d44nav04us83ds8ltu@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:09:40 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <MJOdnc30nI2mdk7fRVn-3g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-190959.15150811072005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <g9ydnfLi5JTYK0_fRVn-tA@comcast.com>, "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
Yes it does, Silverspoon; 'disbeliever' and 'non-believer'
(atheist)
have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
All As are Bs. That does not mean all Bs are As.
You are missing the point, Silverspoon; the point is that
'disbeliever'
and
'non-believer' (atheist) have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
Simple Septic misses the point. Not all non-believers are disbelievers
like Simple Septic who says " We KNOW there is no God"
Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief that there is a
possibility that there might actually be an invisible God; I am not a
believer, I am among the non-believers in this case, so you are
appealing
to
an irrelevant conclusion again.
Talk about irrelevant conclusion, how are your (mine, anyone's)
personal religious views relevant to anything here?
Aren't we comparing the two similar terms, 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer'
? If that doesn't concern religious belief (or the lack of it, for
atheists), then what are we discussing, ordering chopped liver from the
deli?
How are *your* *personal* religious views relevant? The meanings of
the terms and statements in question do not change based on your
views.
This isn't about me,
And, yet, you discuss your personal beliefs. When you figure out what
you want to talk about let me know.
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
I needed a drink, I needed a lot of life insurance, I needed a vacation, I needed a home in the country. What I had was a coat, a hat and a gun.
Raymond Chandler
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| User: "JHC" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
13 Jul 2005 01:07:46 PM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:ikgad197kh6c3r2r01qn1vrgolc0pj283k@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:45:22 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <6vCdnSgycoiaqkjfRVn-3w@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:ost9d19svp92auespue4d2jk672b2bm5qj@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:00:55 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <9PSdnUgJie-xV0nfRVn-2g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:9dr7d1tdfdhsdta3d44nav04us83ds8ltu@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:09:40 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <MJOdnc30nI2mdk7fRVn-3g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-190959.15150811072005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <g9ydnfLi5JTYK0_fRVn-tA@comcast.com>, "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
Yes it does, Silverspoon; 'disbeliever' and 'non-believer'
(atheist)
have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
All As are Bs. That does not mean all Bs are As.
You are missing the point, Silverspoon; the point is that
'disbeliever'
and
'non-believer' (atheist) have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
Simple Septic misses the point. Not all non-believers are
disbelievers
like Simple Septic who says " We KNOW there is no God"
Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief that there is
a
possibility that there might actually be an invisible God; I am not a
believer, I am among the non-believers in this case, so you are
appealing
to
an irrelevant conclusion again.
Talk about irrelevant conclusion, how are your (mine, anyone's)
personal religious views relevant to anything here?
Aren't we comparing the two similar terms, 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer'
? If that doesn't concern religious belief (or the lack of it, for
atheists), then what are we discussing, ordering chopped liver from the
deli?
How are *your* *personal* religious views relevant? The meanings of
the terms and statements in question do not change based on your
views.
This isn't about me,
And, yet, you discuss your personal beliefs.
No, you are just trying to change the subject now that I have you backed
into a corner.
We are discussing the two terms, 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer'.
They have nearly the same meaning (they are synonyms). Disbelievers are not
believers,
they are non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
synonym : one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that
have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses
www.m-w.com
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disbelief
disbelief
English
Noun
disbelief (plural: disbeliefs)
the condition of not believing
My sister cried out in disbelief when she heard that terrorists had crashed
an airplane into the World Trade Center in New York City.
Retrieved from "http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disbelief"
synonym atheism
atheism
English
Noun
the absence of belief in deities. (weak atheism)
the antonym of theism (belief in a god or gods).
synonym of disbelief
synonym : one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that
have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses
www.m-w.com
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Attn: Atheists & Skeptics - What's wrong with answersingenesis.com? |
13 Jul 2005 09:25:42 PM |
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In article <e8idnZpi1NP7xUjfRVn-2A@comcast.com>, "JHC" <jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:ikgad197kh6c3r2r01qn1vrgolc0pj283k@4ax.com...
How are *your* *personal* religious views relevant? The meanings of
the terms and statements in question do not change based on your
views.
This isn't about me,
And, yet, you discuss your personal beliefs.
No
Yes!
In article <C-CdnTkmj9TiLlDfRVn-1w@comcast.com>, Simple Septic, AKA
"JHC" <jhc@nospam.net> wrote: We KNOW there is no God
By which Simple Septic expels himself from the ranks of agnosticism into
the ranks of virulent anti-theism.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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13 Jul 2005 02:57:31 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:07:46 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <e8idnZpi1NP7xUjfRVn-2A@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:45:22 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <6vCdnSgycoiaqkjfRVn-3w@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:00:55 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <9PSdnUgJie-xV0nfRVn-2g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:09:40 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <MJOdnc30nI2mdk7fRVn-3g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <g9ydnfLi5JTYK0_fRVn-tA@comcast.com>, "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
Yes it does, Silverspoon; 'disbeliever' and 'non-believer'
(atheist)
have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
All As are Bs. That does not mean all Bs are As.
You are missing the point, Silverspoon; the point is that
'disbeliever'
and
'non-believer' (atheist) have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
Simple Septic misses the point. Not all non-believers are
disbelievers
like Simple Septic who says " We KNOW there is no God"
Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief that there is
a
possibility that there might actually be an invisible God; I am not a
believer, I am among the non-believers in this case, so you are
appealing
to
an irrelevant conclusion again.
Talk about irrelevant conclusion, how are your (mine, anyone's)
personal religious views relevant to anything here?
Aren't we comparing the two similar terms, 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer'
? If that doesn't concern religious belief (or the lack of it, for
atheists), then what are we discussing, ordering chopped liver from the
deli?
How are *your* *personal* religious views relevant? The meanings of
the terms and statements in question do not change based on your
views.
This isn't about me,
And, yet, you discuss your personal beliefs.
No, you are just trying to change the subject now that I have you backed
into a corner.
We are discussing the two terms, 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer'.
And, yet, you discussed your personal beliefs. It is still up there in
the post. Closing your eyes will not make it go away.
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers.
liff on Cheers
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14 Jul 2005 12:45:26 PM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:07:46 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <e8idnZpi1NP7xUjfRVn-2A@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:45:22 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <6vCdnSgycoiaqkjfRVn-3w@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:00:55 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <9PSdnUgJie-xV0nfRVn-2g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:09:40 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <MJOdnc30nI2mdk7fRVn-3g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <g9ydnfLi5JTYK0_fRVn-tA@comcast.com>, "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
Yes it does, Silverspoon; 'disbeliever' and 'non-believer'
(atheist)
have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
All As are Bs. That does not mean all Bs are As.
You are missing the point, Silverspoon; the point is that
'disbeliever'
and
'non-believer' (atheist) have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
Simple Septic misses the point. Not all non-believers are
disbelievers
like Simple Septic who says " We KNOW there is no God"
Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief that there is
a
possibility that there might actually be an invisible God; I am not a
believer, I am among the non-believers in this case, so you are
appealing
to
an irrelevant conclusion again.
Talk about irrelevant conclusion, how are your (mine, anyone's)
personal religious views relevant to anything here?
Aren't we comparing the two similar terms, 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer'
? If that doesn't concern religious belief (or the lack of it, for
atheists), then what are we discussing, ordering chopped liver from the
deli?
How are *your* *personal* religious views relevant? The meanings of
the terms and statements in question do not change based on your
views.
This isn't about me,
And, yet, you discuss your personal beliefs.
No, you are just trying to change the subject now that I have you backed
into a corner.
We are discussing the two terms, 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer'.
And, yet, you discussed your personal beliefs.
No true. Stop trying to change the subject now that I have you backed into a
corner.
We are discussing the two terms, 'disbeliever' and 'non-believer'.
Stick to the issue instead of trying to change the subject.
They have nearly the same meaning (they are synonyms).
Disbelievers are not believers,
they are non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
synonym : one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that
have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses
www.m-w.com
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disbelief
disbelief
English
Noun
disbelief (plural: disbeliefs)
the condition of not believing
My sister cried out in disbelief when she heard that terrorists had crashed
an airplane into the World Trade Center in New York City.
Retrieved from "http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disbelief"
synonym atheism
atheism
English
Noun
the absence of belief in deities. (weak atheism)
the antonym of theism (belief in a god or gods).
synonym of disbelief
synonym : one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that
have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses
www.m-w.com
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15 Jul 2005 01:17:15 PM |
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In article <Yp6dnRmJYtg0OUvfRVn-hA@comcast.com>, "JHC" <jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
And, yet, you discussed your personal beliefs.
No true.
In article <C-CdnTkmj9TiLlDfRVn-1w@comcast.com>, Simple Septic, AKA
"JHC" <jhc@nospam.net> wrote: We KNOW there is no God
Since there is no scitilla of evidence that anyone has presented that
vaiidates any such claim of knowledge, it is merely 'Simple Septics
belief, a conjecture unsupported by any evidence, and a claim violating
the agnostic principle of never claiming knowledge without satisfactory
supporting evidence.
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14 Jul 2005 01:22:19 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:45:26 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <Yp6dnRmJYtg0OUvfRVn-hA@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:07:46 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <e8idnZpi1NP7xUjfRVn-2A@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:45:22 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <6vCdnSgycoiaqkjfRVn-3w@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:00:55 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <9PSdnUgJie-xV0nfRVn-2g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:9dr7d1tdfdhsdta3d44nav04us83ds8ltu@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:09:40 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <MJOdnc30nI2mdk7fRVn-3g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <g9ydnfLi5JTYK0_fRVn-tA@comcast.com>, "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
Yes it does, Silverspoon; 'disbeliever' and 'non-believer'
(atheist)
have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
All As are Bs. That does not mean all Bs are As.
You are missing the point, Silverspoon; the point is that
'disbeliever'
and
'non-believer' (atheist) have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers, they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
Simple Septic misses the point. Not all non-believers are
disbelievers
like Simple Septic who says " We KNOW there is no God"
Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief that there is
a
possibility that there might actually be an invisible God; I am not a
believer, I am among the non-believers in this case, so you are
appealing
to
an irrelevant conclusion again.
Talk about irrelevant conclusion, how are your (mine, anyone's)
personal religious views relevant to anything here?
Aren't we comparing the two similar terms, 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer'
? If that doesn't concern religious belief (or the lack of it, for
atheists), then what are we discussing, ordering chopped liver from the
deli?
How are *your* *personal* religious views relevant? The meanings of
the terms and statements in question do not change based on your
views.
This isn't about me,
And, yet, you discuss your personal beliefs.
No, you are just trying to change the subject now that I have you backed
into a corner.
We are discussing the two terms, 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer'.
And, yet, you discussed your personal beliefs.
No true.
Yes true: "Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief"
Stop trying to change the subject
You brought it up.
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers.
Cliff on Cheers
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15 Jul 2005 11:03:15 AM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:45:26 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <Yp6dnRmJYtg0OUvfRVn-hA@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in message
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:07:46 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <e8idnZpi1NP7xUjfRVn-2A@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:45:22 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <6vCdnSgycoiaqkjfRVn-3w@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote in
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:00:55 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <9PSdnUgJie-xV0nfRVn-2g@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote in
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:09:40 -0700, in alt.atheism , "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net> in <MJOdnc30nI2mdk7fRVn-3g@comcast.com>
wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <g9ydnfLi5JTYK0_fRVn-tA@comcast.com>, "JHC"
<jhc@nospam.net>
wrote:
Yes it does, Silverspoon; 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer'
(atheist)
have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers,
they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
All As are Bs. That does not mean all Bs are As.
You are missing the point, Silverspoon; the point is that
'disbeliever'
and
'non-believer' (atheist) have
nearly the same meaning. Disbelievers are not believers,
they are
non-believers (atheists).
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=disbelieve
Simple Septic misses the point. Not all non-believers are
disbelievers
like Simple Septic who says " We KNOW there is no God"
Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief that
there is
a
possibility that there might actually be an invisible God; I
am not a
believer, I am among the non-believers in this case, so you
are
appealing
to
an irrelevant conclusion again.
Talk about irrelevant conclusion, how are your (mine,
anyone's)
personal religious views relevant to anything here?
Aren't we comparing the two similar terms, 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer'
? If that doesn't concern religious belief (or the lack of it,
for
atheists), then what are we discussing, ordering chopped liver
from the
deli?
How are *your* *personal* religious views relevant? The meanings
of
the terms and statements in question do not change based on your
views.
This isn't about me,
And, yet, you discuss your personal beliefs.
No, you are just trying to change the subject now that I have you
backed
into a corner.
We are discussing the two terms, 'disbeliever' and
'non-believer'.
And, yet, you discussed your personal beliefs.
No true.
Yes true: "Well then I obviously do not share your religious belief"
That is an ABSENCE of belief there might be an invisible deity (I am
atheist), not "discussing personal religious beliefs," as you would have
it. I do not believe the theist conjecture. That is what puts me among
the non-believers.
"Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of
gods." -- http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html
Atheist agnostics go beyond absence of belief in the existence of gods
to unabashedly deny and repudiate, on principle, religious belief in the
existence of gods:
"That which Agnostics deny and repudiate, as immoral, is the contrary
doctrine, that there are propositions which men ought to believe,
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