Michelle Malkin wrote:

"The Last Conformist" <andreasj@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Jim Spaza wrote:

Do we have DNA evidence from any lifeform more than a few thousand
years old? I know about Old Growth Redwood trees and mummies in Egypt,
but 50-million-year-old fossils?

The oldest known DNA I know of is Neanderthal DNA that's a few tens of
thousands of years old.

How about the mastadons and wooly mammoths that have been
dug up over the last few years?

Haven't heard of older DNA from them.

Babel came after the flood, right? But there's evidence of several
different written languages before 2500 BC: Sumerian, Egyptian, and
Indus, and perhaps more I can't remember.

Jim Spaza wrote:

josephus wrote:

I believe in a global flood about 4,500 years ago. Did this cause the
Grand Canyon? I doubt it, but really don't know for sure.

You chose the bible over scientific knowledge....

Actually, I chose science as well. I really believe that scientific
discoveries allow, if not promote, the global flood event around 4,500
years ago. It seems that we have two different conclusions about each
piece of scientific discovery.

Your position is hard to reconcile with recorded history. The pyramids
were going up around 2500 BC, and there's no indication that a flood
interrupted the process, nor is there any way a handful of Noah's
family could have repopulated a flood-denuded Nile basin to provide a
pyramid-building workforce within a few centuries. The Chinese were
making pottery and cultivating silk around that time, and there's no
indication that they all suddenly died out, to be replaced with the
most oriental-looking of Noah's descendants, who then all learned the
local language from pottery shards and forgot their Mediterranean
history.

Babel came after the flood, right? But there's evidence of several
different written languages before 2500 BC: Sumerian, Egyptian, and
Indus, and perhaps more I can't remember.

You believe science proves the global flood? My friend, let's do some
simple mathematics.

NOTE: All numbers I use are common knowledge, something you can find on
the web easily, unless I state otherwise, in which case I will either
provide the calculation or a link to the calculation that I used to
achieve the number.

Ok, as we know, there are 1.35882728 × 10^18 cubic meters of water on
the Earth, spread between surface water, water vapor in the atmosphere,
and ground water. This amount of water is indeed impressive, it's
several hundred million trillion gallons.

However, the Earth herself is a big thing, she has a diameter of
12,756,300 meters. Also don't forget that this is only at sea level,
since most other differences are negligable, but let us include them
anyway, since the biblical flood claims all mountain tops were covered
to a height of fifteen cubits, or about 7 meters.

Mount Everest is the tallest mountain on the planet, topping out at
8,850 m. It would be wise to add in those 7 meters, but let us be
generous to our bewildered friends, the flood "geologists" and try and
account for the fact that this was thousands of years ago and use a
round figure of 8,800 m. We add this into the known diameter of
12,756,300 meters and we get 12,765,100 meters.

Now, this means that the flood waters would need to cover the partial
volume of a sphere with radius 6,382,550 m and an exclusion at
6,378,150 m. All we need to do is find the volume of both spheres and
then find the difference between them to get the volume of the partial
sphere.

The equation for the volume of a sphere is 4pr^3/3.

For the larger sphere, we take the cube of the radius, which comes out
to 2.60005 x 10^20, multiply this by four times p;, or 12.5663
(roughly), which comes out to 3.26732 x 10^21. We then divide this
total by 3, which ends us up with a volume of the larger sphere of
1.089108848 x 10^21 cubic meters.

We go through the same process for the smaller sphere:

4p(6,378,150)^3/3
4p(2.59468 x 10^20)/3
12.5663(2.59468 x 10^20)/3
3.26057 x 10^21/3
1.0868579725 x 10^21

which leaves us with 1.086857972 x 10^21 cubic meters (I'll refer to
this as m3 from now on so I don't have to type out cubic meters all the
time).

Then it's a simple matter of subtraction:

1.089108848 x 10^21 - 1.086857972 x 10^21
2.250876 x 10^18

which means the total volume the waters have to had covered was
2.250876 x 10^18 m3.

Since we know how much water there is on the Earth and that there isn't
enough to cover this area, there is obviously missing water. But how
much missing water? Well, let's find the difference.

2.250876 x 10^18 - 1.35882728 x 10^18
8.9204872 x 10^17

Meaning there is 8.9204872 x 10^17 m3 of water missing, that is
892,048,720,000,000,000 m3 of water that doesn't exist on Earth anymore.

On 14 Jul 2005 11:38:10 -0700, "Jim Spaza" <spaza9@yahoo.com> wrote:

[cut to the chase]

Well, some of the assertions made above would be incompatible with
sections of the Bible. And if those sections of the Bible are proven
false, then the entire Biblical account and its divine inspiration
aspect is then called into question.

Do you believe people ever get divine inspiration directly from God
(i.e., not via the Bible)? If so, do you believe those people are
completely accurate and truthful in every aspect of their lives? If
you answered no to the latter question, then you have said that a
source can be divinely inspired but still be wrong in part. Why
cannot the same be true of the Bible?

From God actually speaking verbally to a human? Very, very rare.
From God using His Spirit to drive/inspire a person? Routine for

From God through an angel to a human? Not a very common event, but

I ask because it is absolutely certain that the Bible is false in
part. That is easily seen from the fact that some parts of the Bible
contradict other parts. (Try to arrange the four gospels into one
consistent narrative if you don't believe me.) If what you say is
true about the whole Bible being called into question if part of it is
false, then the whole Bible must be called into question. Is that
where you want to go?

--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering