On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:40:32 -0400, "Rudy Benner"
<newsgroups@rudybenner.com> wrote:

"Jim Spaza" <spaza9@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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This challenge was issued by GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825.

What is wrong with the Christian apologetic website
www.answersingenesis.com ???

Please be courteous and specific.

PLONK

Well, that was at least specific. LOL

And, to be honest, probably what Spaza actually deserves.

Reply to article by: "Jim Spaza" <spaza9@yahoo.com>
Date written: 14 Jun 2005 14:17:57 -0700
MsgID:<1118783877.257626.209870@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

This challenge was issued by GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825.
What is wrong with the Christian apologetic website
www.answersingenesis.com ???
Please be courteous and specific.

The biggest flaw of all is that they are blatently and openly biased in their
"research" and conclusions. They choose one particular religion out thousands of
other religions without justifying their choice. If they were going to be
reasonably fair in their judgements, they would judge their own religion by the
same standards they judge evolution. They don't since they aren't interested in
being fair because they are biased in their judgement. But if they did, their
religion would fail miserably, the only difference being that evolution at least
has something physically real to base their explanations with whereas all the
Christians have are their poorly told fairytales. Using their own "logic"
against them from your creation website, if we could find some flaws in the
Christian religion, then that proves the whole religion is false and should be
abandoned, so here goes...

The above would make sense if we could somehow prove beyond any doubt
that this universe is the only one in existence and that there are no
parallel dimensions anywhere at any time.

Where does God or Jesus exist? In some invisible physically unknowable
netherworld. In other words, God doesn't exist in the only reality that we know
for a fact exists outside of our imagination. So don't expect to find any
fossils of God or of Jesus because there won't be any. Imaginary things don't
leave physically real evidence behind.

The short answer is that God exists in a spiritual dimension called
Heaven.

Sometimes, God and other spiritual (non-physical) beings come
into this dimension but some power prevents us from normally sensing
them. Of course, I cannot prove any of this. But, this question asked
where Jesus or God exists, thereby allowing me to answer with
theoretical possibilities.

Jesus said he would be in the grave for
more than three days and three nights, yet he was only in the grave for two
days and two nights. That makes Jesus a false prophet.

Your question becomes moot when one considers that "three days and
three nights" could mean 3 whole days or 1 day and 2 partial days in
the Jewish society at that time.
http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ488.HTM

The Bible speaks of
things like plants and animals and even stones being able to speak the human
language, or of humans rising from the dead. These kind of things never happen
in real life and cannot happen in real life.

I believe that such things are possible. Would you change your mind if
you saw an animal, plant, or even a stone speak a human language?
Would you change your mind if someone who was dead for three days
suddenly came back to life?

Why do you say such things CANNOT happen,

as opposed to such things have never been validated to have happened?

Do you hold the keys to life and death? Do you understand the 600
volumes of information stored in each of your human cells? Can you
exactly predict how subatomic particles will behave when exposed to
magnetic fields, both of which are invisible and cannot be directly
measured? Do you understand time travel and from where this universe
originated?
If you answered "no" to any of those questions, then isn't it just a
tad presumptious and deity-like of you to declare AS FACT that such
things are absolutely impossible and that the Bible CANNOT be accurate?

It is obviously a fairytale, not
reality, yet the authors of your creation website can't figure that out? The
Bible has absolutely no credibility expect to people with absolute gullibility.
If you think evolution is a farce, your religion is far worse.
Your religion is false and should be abandoned.

So, I should...

...all on the slim possibility that you, a limited, fallible human
being, know more about the universe, possible parallel dimensions, and
the afterlife than billions of Christians that have gone before you and
a book that mostly started with 12 men and a Jewish carpenter and ended
up the most popular text of all time.

Thanks, but no thanks pal. If you were to experience what I have, then
you might not be saying such things. Then again...
"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither
will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." - Luke 16:31

The_Sage wrote:

Reply to article by: "Jim Spaza" <spaza9@yahoo.com>
Date written: 10 Jun 2005 14:20:04 -0700
MsgID:<1118438404.202621.65610@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

This challenge was issued by GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825.

What is wrong with the Christian apologetic website
www.answersingenesis.com ???

Please be courteous and specific.

The biggest flaw of all is that they are blatently and openly biased in their
"research" and conclusions. They choose one particular religion out thousands of
other religions without justifying their choice. If they were going to be
reasonably fair in their judgements, they would judge their own religion by the
same standards they judge evolution. They don't since they aren't interested in
being fair because they are biased in their judgement. But if they did, their
religion would fail miserably, the only difference being that evolution at least
has something physically real to base their explanations with whereas all the
Christians have are their poorly told fairytales. Using their own "logic"
against them from your creation website, if we could find some flaws in the
Christian religion, then that proves the whole religion is false and should be
abandoned, so here goes...

The above would make sense if we could somehow prove beyond any doubt
that this universe is the only one in existence and that there are no
parallel dimensions anywhere at any time.

Where does God or Jesus exist? In some invisible physically unknowable
netherworld. In other words, God doesn't exist in the only reality that we know
for a fact exists outside of our imagination. So don't expect to find any
fossils of God or of Jesus because there won't be any. Imaginary things don't
leave physically real evidence behind.

The short answer is that God exists in a spiritual dimension called
Heaven.

Jesus said he would be in the grave for
more than three days and three nights, yet he was only in the grave for two
days and two nights. That makes Jesus a false prophet.

Your question becomes moot when one considers that "three days and
three nights" could mean 3 whole days or 1 day and 2 partial days in
the Jewish society at that time.

http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ488.HTM

The Bible speaks of
things like plants and animals and even stones being able to speak the human
language, or of humans rising from the dead. These kind of things never happen
in real life and cannot happen in real life.

I believe that such things are possible.

Why do you say such things CANNOT happen, as opposed to such things
have never been validated to have happened?

Do you hold the keys to life and death? Do you understand the 600
volumes of information stored in each of your human cells?

If you answered "no" to any of those questions, then isn't it just a
tad presumptious and deity-like of you to declare AS FACT that such
things are absolutely impossible

It is obviously a fairytale, not
reality, yet the authors of your creation website can't figure that out? The
Bible has absolutely no credibility expect to people with absolute gullibility.
If you think evolution is a farce, your religion is far worse.

Your religion is false and should be abandoned.

So, I should...

1) dismiss all the supernatural events in my life which confirm the
Bible,

2) disregard what my friends and family has testified to me about their
being healed and helped by God,

3) trash all study of the Bible which has, over the years, been
answering more and more questions about the Bible to the point that
there are maybe 10 questions that remain unanswered, and

4) risk my immortal soul,

...all on the slim possibility that you, a limited, fallible human

being, know more about the universe, possible parallel dimensions, and
the afterlife than billions of Christians that have gone before you and
a book that mostly started with 12 men and a Jewish carpenter and ended
up the most popular text of all time.