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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Budikka666"
Date: 02 Apr 2006 07:31:45 AM
Object: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4828078.stm
Budikka
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User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action 03 Apr 2006 09:54:08 PM
Terraz Barabel wrote:

The Watch Dog wrote:

Terraz Barabel wrote:

The Watch Dog wrote:

Terraz Barabel wrote:

Budikka666 wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4828078.stm

Budikka


Let me guess. A virus evoled into a virus, and it is now called... a
virus. I see


Then you can accept evolution. An animal evolved into an animal and is
now called... an animal. But of another species.


sure a bird evoled into a donkey, not a problem since they are both
animals..yup.


Of course, I didn't say that. But if a virus evolving into another
virus is unobjecionable because they're "both viruses," then what's the
problem with a chimp-like animal evolving into a human being, since
they're "both primates"?


Defintions: A virus is unique and singular. Like a Chimp is. your
anology is misleading.
now if yousaid a virus is a germ, and bateria are germs and they
evolved, or a virus evolved into a bacteria or viceversa, then you got
something there.

I can take it farhter, Bananas have about 50% of genetic material that
humans do, therfore people are fruits...And fruit will evolve into
primates.

Still waiting on you clarifying *exactly* what that percentage is,
Jabriol, what your source is for the claim, and how any of that is
relevant to your scientifically unsupported creationist claims.
So far you've claimed that the banana is each of the following: 95%,
75%, 60%, Greater than 50%, and 50%, which you again claim here. Now
is it 50%? Or is it 95%? Or can't you tell the difference? What is
your source for this claim? A tabloid newspaper headline, again? When
you give four completely different answers and cannot cite a source,
your already neglible cred is going nowhere.
Now any time you want to present scientifically supported credible
evidence that casts serious doubt on the Theory of Evolution (the
*only* scientific theory which explains the *fact* of evolution), or to
present a scientifically support theory which *better* explains the
fact of evolution, I'll be delighted to debate its merits with you.
Until and unless you can do either of those, why don't you
shut-the-*****-up and quit your juvenile and assinine cross-posting, you
pathetic anti-Christian ignoramus?
Budikka
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User: "Jürgen Exner"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action 14 Apr 2006 07:00:35 AM
The Watch Dog wrote:

Budikka666 wrote:

You got avian flu in your aquarium? I am impressed!
Or do you mean that guy on the wooden cross got it because he is always
strung up so high in the air?
*PLONK*
jue
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User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action 03 Apr 2006 09:44:49 PM
Terraz Barabel wrote:

Budikka666 wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4828078.stm

Budikka


Let me guess. A virus evoled into a virus, and it is now called... a
virus. I see

You can keep running Jabriol, but you can't hide your stench. I'm
still waiting on you finding the guts to answer these intelligently:
1. A car is organic (molecular structure based in carbon).
True or false?
2. Not counting living things, the universe is, in part, organic.
True or false?
3. This universe is the only example of a universe that we know of for
sure.
True/false?
4. We know for a fact that humans create cars, as can been seen from a
tour of any auto manufacturing plant.
True or false?
5. We have no known-for-a-fact examples of gods creating universes.
True or false?
6. If we know humans create cars, but we do not know that gods create
universes, trying to pretend that finding a car abandoned in the desert
leaves one in the same position, vis-a-vis its origins, as we are in
trying to understand the universe is an irredeemably braindead
proposition.
True or false?
7. In a thread started in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn on Sept 21,2003
you stated: "On the other hand, if the Genesis creation account is
factual, then the fossil record would not show one type of life turning
into another. It would reflect the Genesis statement that each
different type of living thing would reproduce only "according to its
kind." (Genesis 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25) Also, if living things came into
being by an act of creation, there would be no partial,
unfinished bones or organs in the fossil record. All fossils would be
complete and highly complex, as living things are today."
(http://tinyurl.com/u62b)
That thread was titled "TOBS: The Fossil record support's Genesis".
Posting such an article and/or believing we were created rather than
evolved is an open admission that you are in fact, a creationist.
True or false?
8. Regardless of what it is classed as and regardless of whether it was
or was not in the evolutionary line to birds, the archaeopteryx had
pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of reptile/dino and bird features and
therefore represents an example of a potential intermediate stage.
True or false?
9. The okapi, an animal alive and well today, and biologically related
to the giraffe is pretty much what a transitional giraffe could have
looked like.
True or false?
10. http://www.talkorigins.org/faq s/faq-transitional.html summarises
discoveries pertaining to transitional fossils and contains over 70
references, many of which are to papers published in peer-reviewed
science journals.
True or false?
11. Something akin to a mouse could reasonably change 300 genes over 60
million years to become either human or a modern mouse.
True or false?
12. It is possible to clearly and scientifically define the Biblical
"kind" as used in the Noah's ark story in Genesis.
True or false?
13. There is a mechanism in genetics or biochemistry which prevents one
"kind" of organism varying into another "kind".
True or false?
14. Evolutionists hold that modern amphibians evolved from modern
fish.
True or false?
15. Evolutionists hold that modern reptiles evolved from modern
amphibians.
True or false?
16. Evolutionists hold that modern birds evolved from modern reptiles.
True or false?
17. Evolutionists hold that modern mammals evolved from modern
reptiles.
True or false?
18. Creationist letters published as a joke in a science publication
are of the same standing as peer-reviewed papers published in
recognized science journals.
True or false?
19. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that calls the Theory of
Evolution into serious question.
True or false?
20. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that establishes a better
theory to explain the distribution and variety of life on Earth today
than the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
21. There has been posted, in one place in a thread somewhere in these
news groups, a supported and referenced *list* of the colossal holes in
the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
22. It is hypocritical to demand peer-reviewed published evidence from
others in refutation of non-existent material favoring your own
arguments.
True or false?
23. References to long-dead dead topics such as "Piltdown man",
Nebraska "man", and Ramapithecus as a human ancestor are irrelevant to
the current state of the Theory of Evolution because no one but
creationists ever makes an issue of them any more.
True or false?
24. Certain creationists-in-denial will snip or ignore this entire
post because they cannot even handle a series of simple true/false
questions without realizing what a ***** they are.
True or false?
The last question is a little more difficult. It's multiple choice.
25. The match between human DNA and banana DNA is:
A. 95%
B. 75%
C. 60%
D. Greater than 50%
E. 50%
Please *support* your answer to question 25 with at least one
competent and intelligent reference that does not refer to a
non-existent article in _New Scientist_, is not a throw-away quotation,
and is not merely a headline from an article that has nothing otherwise
to do with the topic.
Jabriol Lies Series #1
http://tinyurl.com/2w7u9
Jabriol Lies Series #2
http://tinyurl.com/2l9rl
Jabriol Lies Series #3
http://tinyurl.com/27cvs
Jabriol Lies Series #4
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Jabriol Lies Series #5
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Jabriol Lies Series #6
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Jabriol Lies Series #7
http://tinyurl.com/82da6
Jabriol Misleading Quotes series #1
http://tinyurl.com/b3n6s
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #1
http://tinyurl.com/c75ql
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #2
http://tinyurl.com/cla6m
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #3
http://tinyurl.com/d5ku3
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #4
http://tinyurl.com/btmpg
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #5
http://tinyurl.com/7hkz9
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #6
http://tinyurl.com/9c8hp
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #7
http://tinyurl.com/cqanx
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #8
http://tinyurl.com/bqydk
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #9
http://tinyurl.com/dkmd3
Budikka
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User: "R. Nunnely"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action 04 Apr 2006 01:25:44 PM
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1144118689.522005.112570@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...

Terraz Barabel wrote:

Budikka666 wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4828078.stm

Budikka


Let me guess. A virus evoled into a virus, and it is now called... a
virus. I see


You can keep running Jabriol, but you can't hide your stench. I'm
still waiting on you finding the guts to answer these intelligently:

====================
He's now NYM-shifting with every few messages and impersonating legitimate
posters in his quest to hide from some people, hide from the WTS, hide his
true identify, pass as women using their NYMs - anything to bypass killfiles
and not be ignored as he was before. He's turned from a bitter angry man
here on Usenet to a common Troll and net-stalker.
--
Nu........
http://silentlambs.org
www.freeminds.org
Reality check: http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
========================================
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User: "Rampart"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action 04 Apr 2006 04:34:21 AM
Budikka666 wrote:

Terraz Barabel wrote:

Budikka666 wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4828078.stm

Budikka


Let me guess. A virus evoled into a virus, and it is now called... a
virus. I see


You can keep running Jabriol, but you can't hide your stench. I'm
still waiting on you finding the guts to answer these intelligently:


Snipped..................
The questions has been answered.. but not your liking. only a dog will
lick your hand...
in your case.. probly bite.
.
User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action 04 Apr 2006 04:58:40 PM
Rampart wrote:

Budikka666 wrote:

Terraz Barabel wrote:

Budikka666 wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4828078.stm

Budikka


Let me guess. A virus evoled into a virus, and it is now called... a
virus. I see


You can keep running Jabriol, but you can't hide your stench. I'm
still waiting on you finding the guts to answer these intelligently:



Snipped..................

The questions has been answered.

The questions has been answered? Get an education you illiterate
*****. And no, the questions **HAVE** not been answered. You ran away
from them by tossing out your usual smoke screens and straw men. You
have never even *tried* to competently and intelligently answer the
questions as this thread proves quite admirably. So keep running you
cowardly piece of ***** and I'll keep nailing your yellow ***** with the
harsh reality of your incompetnece and stupidity.
Budikka
.


User: "Mr. Bla"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action 04 Apr 2006 02:33:52 PM
I am far from Jabriol but I wouldn't mind trying this wee quiz

You can keep running Jabriol, but you can't hide your stench. I'm
still waiting on you finding the guts to answer these intelligently:

1. A car is organic (molecular structure based in carbon).
True or false?

false. there are some carbon containing parts in a car but a car could be
built without carbon (fuel would have to be electric as virtually all the
fuels are hydrocarbons)

2. Not counting living things, the universe is, in part, organic.
True or false?

true

3. This universe is the only example of a universe that we know of for
sure.
True/false?

true, but a bit of a tautology. If we find something new it becomes part of
our universe

4. We know for a fact that humans create cars, as can been seen from a
tour of any auto manufacturing plant.
True or false?

true

5. We have no known-for-a-fact examples of gods creating universes.
True or false?

true however, we have no known-for-a-fact evidence that Plato existed, or
Socrates. The only knowledge we have of them is a written history. If we
consider that Plato actually existed based on the written evidence, then
from illogical standpoint, there is evidence for gods creating the universe
(I would obviously agree that there are no "examples" which can be currently
scientifically tested)

6. If we know humans create cars, but we do not know that gods create
universes, trying to pretend that finding a car abandoned in the desert
leaves one in the same position, vis-a-vis its origins, as we are in
trying to understand the universe is an irredeemably braindead
proposition.
True or false?

false, and inflammatory/prejudiced.
I saw from your prior posting that your understanding of genetics/virology
is fairly poor. It seems from your latest question that your understanding
of logic is equally less well-established. The logic behind intelligent
design is that when we see complexity in the world around us it is virtually
always due to some type of design. Automobiles are one example. Languages
another, computers are another. When we see all of these things we know
that they were designed and built. We take those specifics and we derive an
axiom; complexity demands design. We apply that axiom to a situation where
there is not absolute scientific proof of the design process itself. This
is especially in light of the fact that those of us that are
theists/Christians see the record of the Bible describing creation and we
find it fits with the axiom derived from specific examples that we can see
and test.

7. In a thread started in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn on Sept 21,2003
you stated: "On the other hand, if the Genesis creation account is
factual, then the fossil record would not show one type of life turning
into another. It would reflect the Genesis statement that each
different type of living thing would reproduce only "according to its
kind." (Genesis 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25) Also, if living things came into
being by an act of creation, there would be no partial,
unfinished bones or organs in the fossil record. All fossils would be
complete and highly complex, as living things are today."
(http://tinyurl.com/u62b)

That thread was titled "TOBS: The Fossil record support's Genesis".
Posting such an article and/or believing we were created rather than
evolved is an open admission that you are in fact, a creationist.
True or false?

Jabriol specific question. But to add slightly. The fossil record has a
number of potential flaws when used as a reverse engineering tool. Sediment
can be laid down very rapidly (have you seen any video of New Orleans
recently?) Or sediment can be laid down very slowly (watch the video of the
lunar module in the Apollo days). If someone goes to New Orleans fifty
years from now and he finds a frog at the bottom of a 3 foot deep layer of
mud and he finds a fish at the top of that layer then would it be reasonable
for that person to surmise that a fish developed later than a frog? Could
he reasonably "date" the layers in that mud? Of course not, however,
therein lies the difficulty. Can we would scientific certainty know how
quickly sediment was laid down.

8. Regardless of what it is classed as and regardless of whether it was
or was not in the evolutionary line to birds, the archaeopteryx had
pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of reptile/dino and bird features and
therefore represents an example of a potential intermediate stage.
True or false?

True, but important to note it is a POTENTIAL intermediate stage, it's quite
possible that God created Archaeopteryx as he was

9. The okapi, an animal alive and well today, and biologically related
to the giraffe is pretty much what a transitional giraffe could have
looked like.
True or false?

True, but the same caveat as question #8. This COULD have looked like......

10. http://www.talkorigins.org/faq s/faq-transitional.html summarises
discoveries pertaining to transitional fossils and contains over 70
references, many of which are to papers published in peer-reviewed
science journals.
True or false?

I have not specifically read that faq however I would concede for the
purpose of debate that this is true

11. Something akin to a mouse could reasonably change 300 genes over 60
million years to become either human or a modern mouse.
True or false?

False. If you are trying to ask the question is there are only a 300 genes
difference between a mouse and human the answer may be yes (to be honest I'm
not certain about the genetic difference between a mouse and human) however,
there is no reasonable mechanism for this change to occur over 60 million
years. If random chance is to be the mechanism then the "engine" of random
chance runs downhill not uphill. Mice would've been extinct long before
they could have developed new beneficial features as the majority of the
changes would have been detrimental.

12. It is possible to clearly and scientifically define the Biblical
"kind" as used in the Noah's ark story in Genesis.
True or false?

true, they reproduce after their kind. Therefore the ability to interbreed
is the definition driven at by the Genesis account. (Ironic that the
ability to breed and yeild fertile offspring is part of the scientific
definition of species). Understand, you are using the term "
scientifically" to narrow the definition. The text states that they
produced offspring after their kind. The kind is defined by the ability to
produce offspring.

13. There is a mechanism in genetics or biochemistry which prevents one
"kind" of organism varying into another "kind".
True or false?

True, they either do not produce offspring, or produce infertile offspring

14. Evolutionists hold that modern amphibians evolved from modern
fish.
True or false?

true (actually, the answer to all of these following questions is false.
Evolutionists, to the best of my knowledge hold that modern amphibians
evolved from ancient amphibians who ultimately derived from ancient fish.
Therefore I would consider the wording of your question to be poorly
structured. It almost seems to be designed to be a trick question.

15. Evolutionists hold that modern reptiles evolved from modern
amphibians.
True or false?

True, see the answer to question 14

16. Evolutionists hold that modern birds evolved from modern reptiles.
True or false?

True, see the answer to question 14

17. Evolutionists hold that modern mammals evolved from modern
reptiles.
True or false?

True, see the answer to question 14

18. Creationist letters published as a joke in a science publication
are of the same standing as peer-reviewed papers published in
recognized science journals.
True or false?

Again, an inflammatory statement that shows nothing but bigotry. Are you
suggesting that peer reviewed scientific journals have nothing better to do
than publish articles purely for humor? I think that's unlikely. In fact
it shows your double standard. You talk about intelligent design/theists as
not being published in peer review journals and then when they are published
you say that it was a joke. Your being intellectually dishonest again.

19. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that calls the Theory of
Evolution into serious question.
True or false?

I would say to be honest I am not sure. I think it is likely there has been
one however I would be speaking based on a guess not based on any hard
evidence.

20. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that establishes a better
theory to explain the distribution and variety of life on Earth today
than the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?

Again, I am not certain however I would assume there has been at least one.

21. There has been posted, in one place in a thread somewhere in these
news groups, a supported and referenced *list* of the colossal holes in
the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?

I'm not sure

22. It is hypocritical to demand peer-reviewed published evidence from
others in refutation of non-existent material favoring your own
arguments.
True or false?

I would accept that as true. It only as hypocritical as claiming that being
published in a peer reviewed published journal was done as a joke.

23. References to long-dead dead topics such as "Piltdown man",
Nebraska "man", and Ramapithecus as a human ancestor are irrelevant to
the current state of the Theory of Evolution because no one but
creationists ever makes an issue of them any more.
True or false?

I Would consider that to be false. I'm not extraordinarily interested in
the creation/evolution debate. Ultimately the only reason I'm even
responding to this is because it was posted on the Jehovah's Witness
newsgroup and that is a newsgroup by go to because of their theology which I
do not agree with. Something that they often recoil from is reviewing old
mistakes that the watchtower has made such as predicting the end of the
world multiple times. They often will retort that bringing up old mistakes
doesn't prove that they're not right now. They are of course wrong because
they claim to be speaking for God and if God indeed speaks through them
there should be no errors. The errors prove that the underlying philosophy
is wrong. Therefore prior "errors" purported to prove evolution are
completely reasonable. Prior errors such as Piltdown man only indict those
who perpetrated, or latched onto the falsehoods. It does not indict all of
"evolutionists".

24. Certain creationists-in-denial will snip or ignore this entire
post because they cannot even handle a series of simple true/false
questions without realizing what a ***** they are.
True or false?

Extraordinarily True

The last question is a little more difficult. It's multiple choice.

25. The match between human DNA and banana DNA is:
A. 95%
B. 75%
C. 60%
D. Greater than 50%
E. 50%

F.: none of the above. This is a question which shows an incredibly poor
understanding of genetics. How many genes 1 organism shares with another
has no bearing on origins, or evolution. Even if the banana had 95 percent
of the same DNA as a human it is irrelevant. A banana is a plant, a human
being is an animal. We are genetically, phenotypically and altogether
different. The banana may share 95 percent similarity in nonorganic
material with a human. It's quite possible that it shares the same
proportion of potassium, calcium, iron, and other elements. That is
irrelevant.
I Actually had to change my answer to this question after I read your
paragraph below. I had originally inserted the quote from the "new
scientist" reference however this is obviously not something I subscribe to
and I was not able to actually validate the quote.

Please *support* your answer to question 25 with at least one
competent and intelligent reference that does not refer to a
non-existent article in _New Scientist_, is not a throw-away quotation,
and is not merely a headline from an article that has nothing otherwise
to do with the topic.

That was as honest
and accurate as I could be.
bla
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User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action 04 Apr 2006 06:38:22 PM
Mr. Bla wrote:

I am far from Jabriol but I wouldn't mind trying this wee quiz

The quiz is solely for that lying, hypocritical anti-Christian Jabriol,
so it is entirely irrelevant if other people take it. However, I have
addressed your comments where they are ignorant or flawed.

5. We have no known-for-a-fact examples of gods creating universes.
True or false?



true however, we have no known-for-a-fact evidence that Plato existed, or
Socrates. The only knowledge we have of them is a written history. If we
consider that Plato actually existed based on the written evidence, then
from illogical standpoint, there is evidence for gods creating the univer=

se

(I would obviously agree that there are no "examples" which can be curren=

tly

scientifically tested)

Your ignorance is showing - again - and your Plato example is
appallingly inept. The only way we *know* things are designed is
through a priori experience of them having been designed. We know a
Timex watch is designed because we know humans design Timex watches.
We know a Dodge Viper is designed because we know humans design Dodge
Vipers. We have no examples of naturally occurring Timex watches or
Dodge Vipers. That's how we are able to put them squarely in the
"designed" pigeon-hole.
OTOH, we have no examples of intelligently-built universes. The very
distinction between naturally occurring and artificial is that the one
is manufactured and the other occurs naturally. Until and unless we
come across a universe that we *know for a fact was artificially
created" we have no means by which we can state that this one was.
Therefore we resort to Okham's razor and state that it is natural until
and unless contradictory evidence arises.

6. If we know humans create cars, but we do not know that gods create
universes, trying to pretend that finding a car abandoned in the desert
leaves one in the same position, vis-a-vis its origins, as we are in
trying to understand the universe is an irredeemably braindead
proposition.
True or false?


false, and inflammatory/prejudiced.

This is directly tieds to Jabriol's lies, cowardice, hypocrisy and
*****. You are, once again, pontificating upon something for which
you lack authority. Please don't embarrass yourself further in this
thread.

I saw from your prior posting that your understanding of genetics/virology
is fairly poor.

By what authority? That *you* declared it is by self-assumed divine
fiat? No. Your understanding is apparently the poorer judged by the
hypocritically "authoritative" statements you made.

It seems from your latest question that your understanding
of logic is equally less well-established.

Not so far, as your weak "arguments" are proving.

The logic behind intelligent
design is

Non-existent. It's nothing more than a rehash of Paley's argument
which had already been trashed before he made it since his argument was
nothing more than a rehash of earlier flawed claims by people like
Aquinas.

that when we see complexity in the world around us it is virtually
always due to some type of design. Automobiles are one example.

That we *know* were designed. Do we *know* the moon was designed? The
water in the oceans? The radiation-spewing stars? No. Your argument
is juvenile.

Languages
another,

So languages were specifically *designed*? They didn't evolve? LoL!
You really are out of your league.

computers are another. When we see all of these things we know
that they were designed and built.

Because we know they are designed and built. Your point, if you had
one, escapes you.

We take those specifics and we derive an
axiom; complexity demands design.

Wrong. Retake Logic 101.

Jabriol specific question. But to add slightly. The fossil record has a
number of potential flaws when used as a reverse engineering tool.

All of which are well-known to paleontologists.

Sediment
can be laid down very rapidly (have you seen any video of New Orleans
recently?) Or sediment can be laid down very slowly (watch the video of =

the

lunar module in the Apollo days). If someone goes to New Orleans fifty
years from now and he finds a frog at the bottom of a 3 foot deep layer of
mud and he finds a fish at the top of that layer then would it be reasona=

ble

for that person to surmise that a fish developed later than a frog? Could
he reasonably "date" the layers in that mud? Of course not, however,
therein lies the difficulty. Can we would scientific certainty know how
quickly sediment was laid down.

Where did you grow the arrogance to assume that all scientists are
monumental idiots while you have the hypocrisy to sit there and type
your ill-educated nonsense on a machine that is only possible because
scientists know what they're doing?
You're as ignorant on this topic as you've demonstrated yourself to be
on others. read this and catch up:
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html#page

True, but important to note it is a POTENTIAL intermediate stage, it's qu=

ite

possible that God created Archaeopteryx as he was

And your *scientific* evidence for this is? Nowhere. Meanwhile the
Theory of Evolution - the only *scientific explanation for the *fact*
of evolution - has 150 years of solid science behind it. Archaeopteryx
is midway between reptile and bird thereby proving that such a
transition was not impossible. An exmaple fo what it could have been
actually existed. This proves creationsits are liars when they claim
no transitional exmaples exist. All species are ultimately
transitional.

9. The okapi, an animal alive and well today, and biologically related
to the giraffe is pretty much what a transitional giraffe could have
looked like.
True or false?


True, but the same caveat as question #8. This COULD have looked like...=

..=2E.
The Okapi proves that creationists are liars when they claim there are
no examples of transitional forms. The fossil record and modern life
is replete with them, and genetics is confirming our unity with other
species on an almost daily basis. These are facts. The Okapi is in
fact related to the giraffe.

11. Something akin to a mouse could reasonably change 300 genes over 60
million years to become either human or a modern mouse.
True or false?


False. If you are trying to ask the question is there are only a 300 gen=

es

difference between a mouse and human the answer may be yes

No, Again, you're blathering along with your pseudo-authority without a
clue as to what you're talking about. The difference between humans
and mice is ~600 genes (a minuscule amount out of as total of thirty
thousand we each have). We have ~300 they do not have and they have
~300 we do not have.
Therefore, if there were a common ancestor and it split into two
species (which is macroevolution, and which we see in nature and in the
lab) and these species kept on speciating until two of the daughter
species somewhere down the line differed as mice and humans do today,
is this realistically possible?
Well a simple mathematical exercise will show that it is. If we start
them out at 60 million years ago (although mouselike organisms were
undoubtedly in existence long before that), and took the genetic
difference (say 300 genes times 100,000 base pairs), and space that
out, changing base pairs at even intervals, how fast would they have to
do this?
The answer is a base pair every two years. Now evolution doesn't
procede in such an organised and orderly fashion, but even putting it
into creationist's own pedantic terms like this, we can see there is
absolutely nothing whatsoever to stand in the way of it, even if every
single base pair in every single one of those 300 differing genes had
to be changed out.

(to be honest I'm
not certain about the genetic difference between a mouse and human)

Then quit pontificating about it until you do.

however,
there is no reasonable mechanism for this change to occur over 60 million
years.

And your authoirty for this lie is? Oh, that's right - it's divine.
You don't *need* science to support your beliefs, yet you
hypocritically pretend you can overturn whatever you dislike by your
own fiat. Get a clue.
Read up about genetic drift, point mutations, transposons, etc., etc.,
etc.

If random chance is to be the mechanism then the "engine" of random
chance runs downhill not uphill.

Again you know not of what you speak. Genetics is chemistry and
chemistry is not random in the way creationists pretend it to be.
Neither are living things condemned to deteriorate randomly into a pile
of dust while they're alive. If this is the best you've got, it's
pretty pathetic.
The mutation may be random after a fashion, but it is natural selection
which determines whether the mutation is beneficial or not. We can see
such mutations in our genome.

Mice would've been extinct long before
they could have developed new beneficial features as the majority of the
changes would have been detrimental.

Since I've proven you wrong, this is irrelevant. We know for a fact
that speciation occurs. Unless you can point to some scientifically
established mechanism that prevents macroevolution, you've lost. It
really is that simple.

12. It is possible to clearly and scientifically define the Biblical
"kind" as used in the Noah's ark story in Genesis.
True or false?


true, they reproduce after their kind.

Define "kind" scientifically.

Therefore the ability to interbreed
is the definition driven at by the Genesis account. (Ironic that the
ability to breed and yeild fertile offspring is part of the scientific
definition of species). Understand, you are using the term "
scientifically" to narrow the definition. The text states that they
produced offspring after their kind. The kind is defined by the ability =

to

produce offspring.

Creationists cannot define "kind":
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/kinds.htm

13. There is a mechanism in genetics or biochemistry which prevents one
"kind" of organism varying into another "kind".
True or false?


True, they either do not produce offspring, or produce infertile offspring

Another lie. Organisms speciate. This is a fact. Speciation is
macroevolution. And If you seriously believe that evolution is
supposed to take place by two different "kinds" interbreeding and
producing a new third "kind" you need a serious, serious education.

14. Evolutionists hold that modern amphibians evolved from modern
fish.
True or false?


true

Another lie. Virtually nothing alive today (except in the bacterial
and viral worlds) evolved from anything else alive today. Organisms
alive today have common ancestors in the past. Those ancestors were
not necessarily like organisms alive today and according to the fossil
record, they become more and more different the further back in time we
travel.. This is what genetics and the fossil record demonstrate
scientifically.

(actually, the answer to all of these following questions is false.
Evolutionists, to the best of my knowledge hold that modern amphibians
evolved from ancient amphibians who ultimately derived from ancient fish.
Therefore I would consider the wording of your question to be poorly
structured. It almost seems to be designed to be a trick question.

It was worded directly from claims Jabriol made. That's why they're
worded the way they are. That's why this quiz is just for Jabriol
because it highlights the lies and ***** he has tried to get away
with. Which part of that is it that's above your comprehension level?

15. Evolutionists hold that modern reptiles evolved from modern
amphibians.
True or false?

True, see the answer to question 14

No, false

16. Evolutionists hold that modern birds evolved from modern reptiles.
True or false?


True, see the answer to question 14

No, false.

17. Evolutionists hold that modern mammals evolved from modern
reptiles.
True or false?


True, see the answer to question 14

No, false.

18. Creationist letters published as a joke in a science publication
are of the same standing as peer-reviewed papers published in
recognized science journals.
True or false?


Again, an inflammatory statement that shows nothing but bigotry.

No, it shows what an ignoramus Jabriol is. This is exactly what he
claimed - that a letter published in a second-tier science journal
qualified it as a science paper published in a peer-reviewed journal
and therefore if he quoted from that letter, he was quoting a science
paper from a refereed journal. That's the magnitude of moron that
Jabriol is.

Are you
suggesting that peer reviewed scientific journals have nothing better to =

do

than publish articles purely for humor? I think that's unlikely.

Now which part of "Creationist letters" is beyond your reading
comprehension level? Where did I say "article"? Where did I say
"science paper"? I said "Creationist letters". Please try to read and
comprehend. Maybe that way you can avoid embarrassing yourself ever
further.

In fact
it shows your double standard. You talk about intelligent design/theists=

as

not being published in peer review journals and then when they are publis=

hed

you say that it was a joke. Your being intellectually dishonest again.

No, your rank stupidity is showing. I specifically said **LETTER**,
not science paper. Again, you're putting your mouth in motion without
engaging your brain. A **LETTER** published in a science journal is
not the same as a peer-reviewed paper published in that same journal
regardless of its origin or the reason for its being published.

19. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that calls the Theory of
Evolution into serious question.
True or false?


I would say to be honest I am not sure.

The answer is **FALSE**. There is not one single paper published
anywhere in the world in any professional science journal which calls
the Theory of Evoltuion into serious question. The reason for this is
primarily that the Theory of Evolution is so strong and has so much
scientific support, but a secondary reason is that creationists do not
do any useful science. All they do is whine and carp.

I think it is likely there has been
one however I would be speaking based on a guess not based on any hard
evidence.

That seems to be your entire repertoire.

20. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that establishes a better
theory to explain the distribution and variety of life on Earth today
than the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?


Again, I am not certain however I would assume there has been at least on=

e=2E
The relevant word here is "assume" and the relevant portion of that
word in your case is "*****". There is not one single paper published
anywhere in the world in any professional science journal which offers
an alternative scientific theory to the Theory of Evolution. The
reason for this is primarily that the Theory of Evolution is so strong
and has so much scientific support. Nothing else has come close in 150
years, but a secondary reason is that creationists do not do any useful
science. All they do is whine and carp. They have no "theory". They
have no "science".

21. There has been posted, in one place in a thread somewhere in these
news groups, a supported and referenced *list* of the colossal holes in
the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?


I'm not sure

No there hasn't, because this is what Jabriol was claiming and I am
still waiting for him to produce this list. The reason he cannot do so
is because he was lying about holes in the Theory of Evolution. There
are things that evoltuionists do not fully understand or have not
completely nailed down, but this is not the same as claiming that there
are "colossal holes" in the theory. Anyone who, like Jabriol, claims
there are, a liar, period, and this question was designed to expose
that fact. **THAT'S** why he runs from these questions. Get it now?

22. It is hypocritical to demand peer-reviewed published evidence from
others in refutation of non-existent material favoring your own
arguments.
True or false?


I would accept that as true. It only as hypocritical as claiming that be=

ing

published in a peer reviewed published journal was done as a joke.

Again, if you had read the material you would not be embarrassing
yourself so monumentally. And now *you* are in precisely the same
position as Jabriol is vis-=E0-vis this question. You're making claims
for a creation, not one of which you can support scientifically, while
at the same time hypocritically criticising science, which has 150
years of scientific support for the Theory of Evolution, a theory which
has passed with flying colors every single test to which it has been
put.

Therefore prior "errors" purported to prove evolution are
completely reasonable. Prior errors such as Piltdown man only indict tho=

se

who perpetrated, or latched onto the falsehoods. It does not indict all =

of

"evolutionists".

This is something Jabriol doesn't grasp along with many, many, many
creationists. Scientists do not claim to have proof. They go by the
weight of evidence and the utility of explanations for the evidence.
Only theists claim absolutes. The difference between the two sides is
that creationists do not own up to their mistakes nor do they have any
sort of useful peer-review. They criticise scientists but rarely
criticise each other's claims. It is the scientists who point out both
their own mistakes and those of the creationists. Now which side is
the more honest?

25. The match between human DNA and banana DNA is:
A. 95%
B. 75%
C. 60%
D. Greater than 50%
E. 50%



F.: none of the above. This is a question which shows an incredibly poor
understanding of genetics.

Which is entirely Jabriol's, hence the question, from which he is still
running. He has made the claim about bananas using *all* of the above
numbers on different occasions. Clearly, while some encompass the same
territory, they cannot *all* be absolutely correct. One of them may be
correct, but the point is that Jabriol cannot support any of them with
a reference even if one *is* true. This is testimony to how utterly
vacuous he truly is.
It's yet another example of his hit and run assertion-posting method,
and a good example of his fundamental dishonesty. The fact that we
*do* share a percentage of our genetic material with most other
organisms is supportive of evolution. It turns out that when we
sequence portions of the genome of various species, the amount of
coincidence of genetic material lies very closely along the lines of
the pattern of evolution demonstrated by the fossil record and
compative anatomy. It was a test of the Theory of evolution which
could have falsified it and shown it to be wrong. It did not. It
showed it to be right as far as scientists are able to test it.
Such coincidence makes absolutely no sense if there were a divine
designer creating every "kind" from scratch - a theological belief for
which there is zero scientific support.
Budikka
.
User: "Mr. Bla"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action 04 Apr 2006 10:20:28 PM
snipped prior crap
It is clear from the avian flu post that I am not dealing with someone whose
knowledge level is up to par. I am most certainly done with you.
Bla
By the way, when I look at my career, the people who trust their lives to my
knowledge level and skills, my colleagues who trust me, and look back to my
academic carrer and how well I have done, should I then aspire to be smarter
like you?
remember the metric system pal, 10 centimeters isn't 10 inches despite how
much you want it to be
.
User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action 05 Apr 2006 10:12:13 PM
Mr. Blah-Blah lied:

snipped prior crap

It is clear from the avian flu post that I am not dealing with someone whose
knowledge level is up to par. I am most certainly done with you.

Bla

Keep running you pathetic little coward. Come blustering in here
striding around, strutting your pathetic stuff and preening yourself
like a turkey-***** and then run away like a snot-nosed whiney-***** brat
the first time I say boo to you.
I've seen your ilk come and go. They always go. Buh-bye now. Don't
let the door hit your dumb ***** on the way out.
Next time send someone in here who has at least the *first* clue what
they're talking about.
Budikka
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action 06 Apr 2006 05:17:13 AM
On 5 Apr 2006 20:12:13 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:
- Refer: <1144293133.921872.186260@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

Mr. Blah-Blah lied:

snipped prior crap

It is clear from the avian flu post that I am not dealing with someone whose
knowledge level is up to par. I am most certainly done with you.

Bla


Keep running you pathetic little coward. Come blustering in here
striding around, strutting your pathetic stuff and preening yourself
like a turkey-***** and then run away like a snot-nosed whiney-***** brat
the first time I say boo to you.

I've seen your ilk come and go. They always go. Buh-bye now. Don't
let the door hit your dumb ***** on the way out.

Next time send someone in here who has at least the *first* clue what
they're talking about.

Budikka

Didn't you know?
Mr. Blah is one of the universe's most leading and famous life-saving
surgeon?
Billions of lives rest in his skilful hands.
I have the word of one "mindfucked" for that gem of "information".
(On top of his entirely unsolicited sage-like and adult advice to
choose a doctor who, (illegally), does not reveal his name, but who
chooses an alias to reflect an pre-reading age infant's imaginary
hero.
Now that's how to engender TRUST, with a capital "F")
You quiote simply must take the word of this anonymous duo, much as
you would:
Batman and Robyn, Laurel and Hardy, Abbot and Costello, or Benedict
Arnold and Geoffrey Dahmer.
(For their words are all you have.
No facts.
No up-to-date references.)
(Sheesh. Does this pair of fuckwits assume that we are as stupid as
their relatives?
Don't answer that...)
--
.
User: "Mindfucked"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action 06 Apr 2006 01:14:40 PM
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:2lq9325rt6gt7e4tnvetkfdi7tqbjbdaor@4ax.com...

Mr. Blah-Blah lied:

snipped prior crap

It is clear from the avian flu post that I am not dealing with someone
whose
knowledge level is up to par. I am most certainly done with you.

Bla


Keep running you pathetic little coward. Come blustering in here
striding around, strutting your pathetic stuff and preening yourself
like a turkey-***** and then run away like a snot-nosed whiney-***** brat
the first time I say boo to you.

I've seen your ilk come and go. They always go. Buh-bye now. Don't
let the door hit your dumb ***** on the way out.

Next time send someone in here who has at least the *first* clue what
they're talking about.

Budikka


Didn't you know?
Mr. Blah is one of the universe's most leading and famous life-saving
surgeon?
Billions of lives rest in his skilful hands.
I have the word of one "mindfucked" for that gem of "information".

Where did I say that?
What I said was:
"assuming" Mr Bla has the requisite qualifications" - people would choose
him as a life saving surgeon. You are clearly a liar.

(On top of his entirely unsolicited sage-like and adult advice

At least you recognize that the advice was 'adult'...
to

choose a doctor who, (illegally),

Where are your references that specify doctors must use their own names if
posting to usenet?
If I suggested something illegal I suggest you contact the authorities.
LOL!
does not reveal his name, but who

chooses an alias to reflect an pre-reading age infant's imaginary
hero.

"an" pre-reading age? - is that pre-reading age grammar?

(For their words are all you have.
No facts.
No up-to-date references.)

What references do you need to show that a poster's nym says little about
'reality'

(Sheesh. Does this pair of fuckwits assume that we are as stupid as
their relatives?
Don't answer that...)

I'll answer anyway - from your comments I (I speak only for myself) assume
you are much more 'stupid' than any of my relatives - even the pre-school
ones.
.


User: "SlammerPendragon"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action-- Mr. Bla 06 Apr 2006 06:36:05 AM
When bubkkka get nasty and offensive because he lost an another
argument the following stragety works..
watch and learn :-)
Budikka666 wrote:

Mr. Blah-Blah lied:

snipped prior crap

It is clear from the avian flu post that I am not dealing with someone whose
knowledge level is up to par. I am most certainly done with you.

Bla


Keep running you pathetic little coward. Come blustering in here
striding around, strutting your --SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

works all the time
.
User: "Mr. Bla"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action-- Mr. Bla 06 Apr 2006 11:20:42 AM
"SlammerPendragon" <JhemHaddar@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144323365.265926.317730@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...

When bubkkka get nasty and offensive because he lost an another
argument the following stragety works..

watch and learn :-)

Budikka666 wrote:

Mr. Blah-Blah lied:

snipped prior crap

It is clear from the avian flu post that I am not dealing with someone

whose

knowledge level is up to par. I am most certainly done with you.

Bla


Keep running you pathetic little coward. Come blustering in here
striding around, strutting

our --SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP


works all the time

Point taken
.

User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action-- Mr. Bla 10 Apr 2006 06:49:20 PM
SlammerPendragon wrote:

When bubkkka get nasty and offensive because he lost an another
argument the following stragety works..

watch and learn :-)

Budikka666 wrote:

Mr. Blah-Blah lied:

snipped prior crap

It is clear from the avian flu post that I am not dealing with someone whose
knowledge level is up to par. I am most certainly done with you.

Bla


Keep running you pathetic little coward. Come blustering in here
striding around, strutting your --SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP


works all the time

For an illtierate coward like you, Jabriol, yes it does. Got the
answers to these questions yet?
Still waiting on you answering these:
1. A car is organic (molecular structure based in carbon).
True or false?
2. Not counting living things, the universe is, in part, organic.
True or false?
3. This universe is the only example of a universe that we know of for
sure.
True/false?
4. We know for a fact that humans create cars, as can been seen from a
tour of any auto manufacturing plant.
True or false?
5. We have no known-for-a-fact examples of gods creating universes.
True or false?
6. If we know humans create cars, but we do not know that gods create
universes, trying to pretend that finding a car abandoned in the desert
leaves one in the same position, vis-a-vis its origins, as we are in
trying to understand the universe is an irredeemably braindead
proposition.
True or false?
7. In a thread started in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn on Sept 21,2003
you stated: "On the other hand, if the Genesis creation account is
factual, then the fossil record would not show one type of life turning
into another. It would reflect the Genesis statement that each
different type of living thing would reproduce only "according to its
kind." (Genesis 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25) Also, if living things came into
being by an act of creation, there would be no partial,
unfinished bones or organs in the fossil record. All fossils would be
complete and highly complex, as living things are today."
(http://tinyurl.com/u62b)
That thread was titled "TOBS: The Fossil record support's Genesis".
Posting such an article and/or believing we were created rather than
evolved is an open admission that you are in fact, a creationist.
True or false?
8. Regardless of what it is classed as and regardless of whether it was
or was not in the evolutionary line to birds, the archaeopteryx had
pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of reptile/dino and bird features and
therefore represents an example of a potential intermediate stage.
True or false?
9. The okapi, an animal alive and well today, and biologically related
to the giraffe is pretty much what a transitional giraffe could have
looked like.
True or false?
10. http://www.talkorigins.org/faq s/faq-transitional.html summarises
discoveries pertaining to transitional fossils and contains over 70
references, many of which are to papers published in peer-reviewed
science journals.
True or false?
11. Something akin to a mouse could reasonably change 300 genes over 60
million years to become either human or a modern mouse.
True or false?
12. It is possible to clearly and scientifically define the Biblical
"kind" as used in the Noah's ark story in Genesis.
True or false?
13. There is a mechanism in genetics or biochemistry which prevents one
"kind" of organism varying into another "kind".
True or false?
14. Evolutionists hold that modern amphibians evolved from modern
fish.
True or false?
15. Evolutionists hold that modern reptiles evolved from modern
amphibians.
True or false?
16. Evolutionists hold that modern birds evolved from modern reptiles.
True or false?
17. Evolutionists hold that modern mammals evolved from modern
reptiles.
True or false?
18. Creationist letters published as a joke in a science publication
are of the same standing as peer-reviewed papers published in
recognized science journals.
True or false?
19. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that calls the Theory of
Evolution into serious question.
True or false?
20. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that establishes a better
theory to explain the distribution and variety of life on Earth today
than the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
21. There has been posted, in one place in a thread somewhere in these
news groups, a supported and referenced *list* of the colossal holes in
the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
22. It is hypocritical to demand peer-reviewed published evidence from
others in refutation of non-existent material favoring your own
arguments.
True or false?
23. References to long-dead dead topics such as "Piltdown man",
Nebraska "man", and Ramapithecus as a human ancestor are irrelevant to
the current state of the Theory of Evolution because no one but
creationists ever makes an issue of them any more.
True or false?
24. Certain creationists-in-denial will snip or ignore this entire
post because they cannot even handle a series of simple true/false
questions without realizing what a ***** they are.
True or false?
The last question is a little more difficult. It's multiple choice.
25. The match between human DNA and banana DNA is:
A. 95%
B. 75%
C. 60%
D. Greater than 50%
E. 50%
Please *support* your answer to question 25 with at least one
competent and intelligent reference that does not refer to a
non-existent article in _New Scientist_, is not a throw-away quotation,
and is not merely a headline from an article that has nothing otherwise
to do with the topic.
Jabriol Lies Series #1
http://tinyurl.com/2w7u9
Jabriol Lies Series #2
http://tinyurl.com/2l9rl
Jabriol Lies Series #3
http://tinyurl.com/27cvs
Jabriol Lies Series #4
http://tinyurl.com/33zrt
Jabriol Lies Series #5
http://tinyurl.com/2t944
Jabriol Lies Series #6
http://tinyurl.com/3776p
Jabriol Lies Series #7
http://tinyurl.com/82da6
Jabriol Misleading Quotes series #1
http://tinyurl.com/b3n6s
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #1
http://tinyurl.com/c75ql
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #2
http://tinyurl.com/cla6m
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #3
http://tinyurl.com/d5ku3
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #4
http://tinyurl.com/btmpg
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #5
http://tinyurl.com/7hkz9
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #6
http://tinyurl.com/9c8hp
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #7
http://tinyurl.com/cqanx
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #8
http://tinyurl.com/bqydk
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #9
http://tinyurl.com/dkmd3
Budikka
.
User: "KoiKrusher"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action-- Mr. Bla 10 Apr 2006 07:23:08 PM
Budikka666 wrote:

SlammerPendragon wrote:

When bubkkka get nasty and offensive because he lost an another
argument the following stragety works..

watch and learn :-)

Budikka666 wrote:

Mr. Blah-Blah lied:

snipped prior crap

It is clear from the avian flu post that I am not dealing with someone whose
knowledge level is up to par. I am most certainly done with you.

Bla


Keep running you pathetic little coward. Come blustering in here
striding around, strutting your --SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP


works all the time


For an illtierate coward

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSnippppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
.
User: "RoiKrusher"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action-- Mr. Bla 10 Apr 2006 07:38:42 PM
On 10 Apr 2006 17:23:08 -0700, "KoiKrusher" <Xabriol@gmail.com> wrote:


Budikka666 wrote:

SlammerPendragon wrote:

When bubkkka get nasty and offensive because he lost an another
argument the following stragety works..

watch and learn :-)

Budikka666 wrote:

Mr. Blah-Blah lied:

snipped prior crap

It is clear from the avian flu post that I am not dealing with someone whose
knowledge level is up to par. I am most certainly done with you.

Bla


Keep running you pathetic little coward. Come blustering in here
striding around, strutting your --SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP


works all the time


For an illtierate coward

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Gawd, I just love the smell of a good snip...
--
"Good come back *****!"
"Didn't you bet a merit badge in Gopher Choking, bugger Boy?"
"We don't discuss religion anymore you fucking idiot! Eat some more *****"
-- Honest John, Christian evangelist
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User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action-- Mr. Bla 11 Apr 2006 04:47:10 PM
RoiKrusher wrote:

On 10 Apr 2006 17:23:08 -0700, "KoiKrusher" <Xabriol@gmail.com> wrote:


Budikka666 wrote:

SlammerPendragon wrote:

When bubkkka get nasty and offensive because he lost an another
argument the following stragety works..

watch and learn :-)

Budikka666 wrote:

Mr. Blah-Blah lied:

snipped prior crap

It is clear from the avian flu post that I am not dealing with someone whose
knowledge level is up to par. I am most certainly done with you.

Bla


Keep running you pathetic little coward. Come blustering in here
striding around, strutting your --SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP


works all the time


For an illtierate coward

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Gawd, I just love the smell of a good snip.

That's the rank stench of your colossal cowardice that you're so in
love with. How proud must your god be of you, you chickenshit wacko.
Budikka
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User: "Roi-Krusher"

Title: Re: Avian Flu Speciates - Macroevolution in Action-- Mr. Bla 11 Apr 2006 05:12:45 PM
On 11 Apr 2006 14:47:10 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:

RoiKrusher wrote:

On 10 Apr 2006 17:23:08 -0700, "KoiKrusher" <Xabriol@gmail.com> wrote:


Budikka666 wrote:

SlammerPendragon wrote:

When bubkkka get nasty and offensive because he lost an another
argument the following stragety works..

watch and learn :-)

Budikka666 wrote:

Mr. Blah-Blah lied:

snipped prior crap

It is clear from the avian flu post that I am not dealing with someone whose
knowledge level is up to par. I am most certainly done with you.

Bla


Keep running you pathetic little coward. Come blustering in here
striding around, strutting your --SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP


works all the time


For an illtierate coward

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Gawd, I just love the smell of a good snip.


That's th

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--
"Good come back *****!"
"Didn't you bet a merit badge in Gopher Choking, bugger Boy?"
"We don't discuss religion anymore you fucking idiot! Eat some more *****"
-- Honest John, Christian evangelist
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User: "Budikka666"

Title: Koi Krusher Krushed - Again 11 Apr 2006 09:32:27 PM
Once again there's nothing to respond to except the rank stench of
fundamental cowardice from the Internet's biggest waste of skin.
Budikka
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User: "RoiKrusher"

Title: Re: Koi Krusher Krushed - Again 11 Apr 2006 09:55:25 PM
On 11 Apr 2006 19:32:27 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:

Once a

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They need to do
more than put that hot scalding cup of coffee down.
Someone needs to splash it in their face. -
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User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: Koi Krusher Krushed - Again 12 Apr 2006 05:41:31 PM
Once again, for the world to see, here's what you're running away from:
Jabriol Lies Series #1
http://tinyurl.com/2w7u9
Jabriol Lies Series #2
http://tinyurl.com/2l9rl
Jabriol Lies Series #3
http://tinyurl.com/27cvs
Jabriol Lies Series #4
http://tinyurl.com/33zrt
Jabriol Lies Series #5
http://tinyurl.com/2t944
Jabriol Lies Series #6
http://tinyurl.com/3776p
Jabriol Lies Series #7
http://tinyurl.com/82da6
Jabriol Misleading Quotes series #1
http://tinyurl.com/b3n6s
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #1
http://tinyurl.com/c75ql
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #2
http://tinyurl.com/cla6m
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #3
http://tinyurl.com/d5ku3
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #4
http://tinyurl.com/btmpg
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #5
http://tinyurl.com/7hkz9
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #6
http://tinyurl.com/9c8hp
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #7
http://tinyurl.com/cqanx
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #8
http://tinyurl.com/bqydk
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #9
http://tinyurl.com/dkmd3
1. A car is organic (molecular structure based in carbon).
True or false?
2. Not counting living things, the universe is, in part, organic.
True or false?
3. This universe is the only example of a universe that we know of for
sure.
True/false?
4. We know for a fact that humans create cars, as can been seen from a
tour of any auto manufacturing plant.
True or false?
5. We have no known-for-a-fact examples of gods creating universes.
True or false?
6. If we know humans create cars, but we do not know that gods create
universes, trying to pretend that finding a car abandoned in the desert
leaves one in the same position, vis-a-vis its origins, as we are in
trying to understand the universe is an irredeemably braindead
proposition.
True or false?
7. In a thread started in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn on Sept 21,2003
you stated: "On the other hand, if the Genesis creation account is
factual, then the fossil record would not show one type of life turning
into another. It would reflect the Genesis statement that each
different type of living thing would reproduce only "according to its
kind." (Genesis 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25) Also, if living things came into
being by an act of creation, there would be no partial,
unfinished bones or organs in the fossil record. All fossils would be
complete and highly complex, as living things are today."
(http://tinyurl.com/u62b)
That thread was titled "TOBS: The Fossil record support's Genesis".
Posting such an article and/or believing we were created rather than
evolved is an open admission that you are in fact, a creationist.
True or false?
8. Regardless of what it is classed as and regardless of whether it was
or was not in the evolutionary line to birds, the archaeopteryx had
pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of reptile/dino and bird features and
therefore represents an example of a potential intermediate stage.
True or false?
9. The okapi, an animal alive and well today, and biologically related
to the giraffe is pretty much what a transitional giraffe could have
looked like.
True or false?
10. http://www.talkorigins.org/faq s/faq-transitional.html summarises
discoveries pertaining to transitional fossils and contains over 70
references, many of which are to papers published in peer-reviewed
science journals.
True or false?
11. Something akin to a mouse could reasonably change 300 genes over 60
million years to become either human or a modern mouse.
True or false?
12. It is possible to clearly and scientifically define the Biblical
"kind" as used in the Noah's ark story in Genesis.
True or false?
13. There is a mechanism in genetics or biochemistry which prevents one
"kind" of organism varying into another "kind".
True or false?
14. Evolutionists hold that modern amphibians evolved from modern
fish.
True or false?
15. Evolutionists hold that modern reptiles evolved from modern
amphibians.
True or false?
16. Evolutionists hold that modern birds evolved from modern reptiles.
True or false?
17. Evolutionists hold that modern mammals evolved from modern
reptiles.
True or false?
18. Creationist letters published as a joke in a science publication
are of the same standing as peer-reviewed papers published in
recognized science journals.
True or false?
19. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that calls the Theory of
Evolution into serious question.
True or false?
20. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that establishes a better
theory to explain the distribution and variety of life on Earth today
than the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
21. There has been posted, in one place in a thread somewhere in these
news groups, a supported and referenced *list* of the colossal holes in
the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
22. It is hypocritical to demand peer-reviewed published evidence from
others in refutation of non-existent material favoring your own
arguments.
True or false?
23. References to long-dead dead topics such as "Piltdown man",
Nebraska "man", and Ramapithecus as a human ancestor are irrelevant to
the current state of the Theory of Evolution because no one but
creationists ever makes an issue of them any more.
True or false?
24. Certain creationists-in-denial will snip or ignore this entire
post because they cannot even handle a series of simple true/false
questions without realizing what a ***** they are.
True or false?
The last question is a little more difficult. It's multiple choice.
25. The match between human DNA and banana DNA is:
A. 95%
B. 75%
C. 60%
D. Greater than 50%
E. 50%
Please *support* your answer to question 25 with at least one
competent and intelligent reference that does not refer to a
non-existent article in _New Scientist_, is not a throw-away quotation,
and is not merely a headline from an article that has nothing otherwise
to do with the topic.
Budikka
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User: "Koi-lo"

Title: Re: Koi Krusher Krushed - Again 12 Apr 2006 06:17:21 PM
Budikka666 wrote:

Once again, for the world to see, here's what you're

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User: "Budikka666"

Title: Jabriol - The Internet's Greatest Coward 13 Apr 2006 06:29:15 PM
Still waiting on you answering these:
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #1
http://tinyurl.com/c75ql
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #2
http://tinyurl.com/cla6m
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #3
http://tinyurl.com/d5ku3
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #4
http://tinyurl.com/btmpg
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #5
http://tinyurl.com/7hkz9
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #6
http://tinyurl.com/9c8hp
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #7
http://tinyurl.com/cqanx
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #8
http://tinyurl.com/bqydk
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #9
http://tinyurl.com/dkmd3
And how about apologising for these lies instead of running from them?
Jabriol Lies Series #1
http://tinyurl.com/2w7u9
Jabriol Lies Series #2
http://tinyurl.com/2l9rl
Jabriol Lies Series #3
http://tinyurl.com/27cvs
Jabriol Lies Series #4
http://tinyurl.com/33zrt
Jabriol Lies Series #5
http://tinyurl.com/2t944
Jabriol Lies Series #6
http://tinyurl.com/3776p
Jabriol Lies Series #7
http://tinyurl.com/82da6
And how about withdrawing your misleading quotes, starting with this
one:
Jabriol Misleading Quotes series #1
http://tinyurl.com/b3n6s
Brief summary fo all the unanswered qiestions follows:
1. A car is organic (molecular structure based in carbon).
True or false?
2. Not counting living things, the universe is, in part, organic.
True or false?
3. This universe is the only example of a universe that we know of for
sure.
True/false?
4. We know for a fact that humans create cars, as can been seen from a
tour of any auto manufacturing plant.
True or false?
5. We have no known-for-a-fact examples of gods creating universes.
True or false?
6. If we know humans create cars, but we do not know that gods create
universes, trying to pretend that finding a car abandoned in the desert
leaves one in the same position, vis-a-vis its origins, as we are in
trying to understand the universe is an irredeemably braindead
proposition.
True or false?
7. In a thread started in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn on Sept 21,2003
you stated: "On the other hand, if the Genesis creation account is
factual, then the fossil record would not show one type of life turning
into another. It would reflect the Genesis statement that each
different type of living thing would reproduce only "according to its
kind." (Genesis 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25) Also, if living things came into
being by an act of creation, there would be no partial,
unfinished bones or organs in the fossil record. All fossils would be
complete and highly complex, as living things are today."
(http://tinyurl.com/u62b)
That thread was titled "TOBS: The Fossil record support's Genesis".
Posting such an article and/or believing we were created rather than
evolved is an open admission that you are in fact, a creationist.
True or false?
8. Regardless of what it is classed as and regardless of whether it was
or was not in the evolutionary line to birds, the archaeopteryx had
pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of reptile/dino and bird features and
therefore represents an example of a potential intermediate stage.
True or false?
9. The okapi, an animal alive and well today, and biologically related
to the giraffe is pretty much what a transitional giraffe could have
looked like.
True or false?
10. http://www.talkorigins.org/faq s/faq-transitional.html summarises
discoveries pertaining to transitional fossils and contains over 70
references, many of which are to papers published in peer-reviewed
science journals.
True or false?
11. Something akin to a mouse could reasonably change 300 genes over 60
million years to become either human or a modern mouse.
True or false?
12. It is possible to clearly and scientifically define the Biblical
"kind" as used in the Noah's ark story in Genesis.
True or false?
13. There is a mechanism in genetics or biochemistry which prevents one
"kind" of organism varying into another "kind".
True or false?
14. Evolutionists hold that modern amphibians evolved from modern
fish.
True or false?
15. Evolutionists hold that modern reptiles evolved from modern
amphibians.
True or false?
16. Evolutionists hold that modern birds evolved from modern reptiles.
True or false?
17. Evolutionists hold that modern mammals evolved from modern
reptiles.
True or false?
18. Creationist letters published as a joke in a science publication
are of the same standing as peer-reviewed papers published in
recognized science journals.
True or false?
19. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that calls the Theory of
Evolution into serious question.
True or false?
20. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that establishes a better
theory to explain the distribution and variety of life on Earth today
than the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
21. There has been posted, in one place in a thread somewhere in these
news groups, a supported and referenced *list* of the colossal holes in
the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
22. It is hypocritical to demand peer-reviewed published evidence from
others in refutation of non-existent material favoring your own
arguments.
True or false?
23. References to long-dead dead topics such as "Piltdown man",
Nebraska "man", and Ramapithecus as a human ancestor are irrelevant to
the current state of the Theory of Evolution because no one but
creationists ever makes an issue of them any more.
True or false?
24. Certain creationists-in-denial will snip or ignore this entire
post because they cannot even handle a series of simple true/false
questions without realizing what a ***** they are.
True or false?
The last question is a little more difficult. It's multiple choice.
25. The match between human DNA and banana DNA is:
A. 95%
B. 75%
C. 60%
D. Greater than 50%
E. 50%
Please *support* your answer to question 25 with at least one
competent and intelligent reference that does not refer to a
non-existent article in _New Scientist_, is not a throw-away quotation,
and is not merely a headline from an article that has nothing otherwise
to do with the topic.
Budikka
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User: "Mindfucked"

Title: Re:Butlikka - The Internet's Greatest Coward 15 Apr 2006 06:39:37 PM
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1144970955.294250.30460@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Still waiting on you answering these:

Still waiting on you answering this:
Why, specifically, is saying:
"How is standing next to a nuclear missile about to detonate like
refusing to take the perceptual leap required to believe that because
something concievably or demonstrably could have occurred a certain
way, it did happen that way?"
Inconsistent with saying:
"evolution (which is an abstract noun) is a provisional
understanding, subject to revision if and when a more cogent understanding
is arrived at."?
http://tinyurl.com/zueb3
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User: "RoiKrusher"