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"words of truth" |
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06 Jan 2006 02:22:16 PM |
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Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
http://wafflinganglican.blogspot.com/2006/01/high-schoolers-are-pro-life.html
High Schoolers are Pro-Life
A new national poll finds high school seniors take a pro-life position
on abortion saying it's morally wrong and supporting legislative
proposals that would limit abortions and help women find alternatives.
The poll also found 72 percent of females in the class of 2006 would
not consider an abortion if they became pregnant.
[...] When asked, some 67 percent of high school seniors said abortion
is either always (23%) or usually (44%) morally wrong. Just 31 percent
said it was a morally correct decision.
How can one find this surprising? These kids are not stupid; they know
that their parents could have offed them for no greater reason than
personal expedience with the full approval of the law and society. A
staggering number of their potential classmates simply aren't there;
they were disposed of as medical waste. Do we think they don't know
that?
Slightly less than half of the teens polled said abortions should be
allowed when a woman is under 18 and unmarried or when the baby will
have a serious birth defect. Just 40 percent said abortions should be
allowed for poor women and only 29 percent said abortions should be
allowed when a woman doesn't want more children.
Some 72 percent of teen girls say they would not consider an abortion
and, of all high school seniors, just 13 percent would counsel a
pregnant friend to consider an abortion. Some 54 percent of seniors say
they would suggest adoption and 26 percent say they would encourage a
pregnant friend to keep her baby.
Meanwhile, 69 percent of the male teens surveyed said they would not
want their partner to consider an abortion.
In other words, they still have some ideals and standards and haven't
been hooked by the temptations of individual autonomy, greed, and
expedience.
[...] On whether abortions should be legal or illegal, the poll find
females were slightly more inclined to oppose legal abortions. White
teens were more pro-life than blacks, which contradicts polls of adults
on the issue.
This seems to back up what I've always believed to be true. The
primary purpose of abortion is to get guys off the hook. When a woman
is convinced that her body is exclusively her own, that a woman needs a
man like a fish needs a bicycle, and that she can kill her child to
advance her career, the real benefactors are the young men who no
longer have to bite the bullet and provide support for their kids. The
Wilt Chamberlains of the world can bed 20,000 women and never have to
be fathers.
Evangelical Christians were much more likely to oppose abortion than
teens from Catholic of mainline Protestant backgrounds. High school
seniors with non-Christian religious views were overwhelmingly in favor
of abortions.
Hence the big push to remove religion from kids when they get to the
university. (Don't tell me the agenda doesn't exist - I've
worked at one for 26 years. I've heard it.) In the USA,
"non-Christian religious views" pretty much means atheists,
agnostics, and New Agers. There aren't that many practicing, orthodox
Hindus out there. Dechristianizing the kids is the surest way to
convert them from pro-life to pro-choice, and abortion-on-demand is the
defining political goal for the secularists.
What, after all, does Satan really want? Does he care whether the USA
stands or falls, or what economic system we use? Does he give a rat's
rear end about social security reform? What he wants is to dim that
spark of God-light within us, until we walk gently, smiling , polite,
and utterly clueless, straight into the gates of Hell. He comes as an
angel of light, not as a ravener. What better tool does he have than to
pervert our ideas of human love by decoupling them from the human
product of that love. "Love" that produces inward gratification
without bearing external fruit is not the love of God.
[...] According to the poll two-thirds of high school seniors would
require parental consent before a girl under 18 could get an abortion.
The children themselves know that there are things they are not ready
for; that they are not just miniature adults with acne. When will the
supposed adults of our society figure that out.
Sociology students at Hamilton College, in conjunction with the Zogby
International polling firm, surveyed 1,000 high school seniors by phone
and the survey has a 3 percent margin of error.
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| User: "DH" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
06 Jan 2006 04:25:10 PM |
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"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in message
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http://wafflinganglican.blogspot.com/2006/01/high-schoolers-are-pro-life.html
High Schoolers are Pro-Life
A new national poll finds high school seniors take a pro-life position
on abortion saying it's morally wrong and supporting legislative
proposals that would limit abortions and help women find alternatives.
The poll also found 72 percent of females in the class of 2006 would
not consider an abortion if they became pregnant.
[...] When asked, some 67 percent of high school seniors said abortion
is either always (23%) or usually (44%) morally wrong. Just 31 percent
said it was a morally correct decision.
They also take virginity pledges. Then they "screw up" and very often
discover that abortion isn't quite as "morally wrong" as they originally
thought.
[alt.messianic removed]
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
06 Jan 2006 02:50:25 PM |
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"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in news:1136578936.066714.99250
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
High Schoolers are Pro-Life . . .
until they get pregnant.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
Our Father, who aren't in Heaven, hollow be thy name.
Thy kingdom dumb, their brains are numb;
on Earth yet day-dreaming of Heaven.
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| User: "Heidi Graw" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
06 Jan 2006 05:58:00 PM |
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"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
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"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in
news:1136578936.066714.99250
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High Schoolers are Pro-Life . . .
Enkidu wrote:
until they get pregnant.
Exactly. I can certainly relate to that. I was Pro-Life until I actually
became pregnant myself and took the time and effort to become really
informed about foetal development, pregnancy related illnesses and risks of
child-birth. Then I ended up questioning myself just exactly what it was
that got me into this sentimental emotional crap that had me believing an
embryo was a thinking feeling human being! I learned it wasn't! Choosing
an abortion is o.k! There's nothing to get all mushy and sentimental about,
nor is it necessary to feel guilty about choosing abortion. The best thing
that ever happened to me was that I actually learned something about
reproduction above and beyond those grainy black/white films I was shown at
school.
I really think that a poll should be taken of women who had been pregnant
and who had actually given birth. As a person who's been there and done
that, I would find it unconscionable to deny women the choice to abort or
continue with the pregnancy. Polling naive teenagers is rather pointless.
They're not fully and adequately informed about the subject. Teenagers tend
to be overly emotional and sentimental anyway. They're also not often very
rational...raging horomones and all that. ;-)
Heidi
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
06 Jan 2006 02:53:20 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in news:1136578936.066714.99250
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
High Schoolers are Pro-Life . . .
until they get pregnant.
So why are they getting pregnant?
Which is better..
Teaching kids to avoid the situation
or
Not caring and just letting them get into the situation that may cause
their wanting to get an abortion.
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| User: "Adam H." |
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06 Jan 2006 04:00:05 PM |
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On 6 Jan 2006 12:53:20 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in news:1136578936.066714.99250
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
High Schoolers are Pro-Life . . .
until they get pregnant.
So why are they getting pregnant?
Which is better..
Teaching kids to avoid the situation
or
Not caring and just letting them get into the situation that may cause
their wanting to get an abortion.
Right now the current administration is pointed at the second. Planned
Parenthood and similar groups are pointed at the first.
---
I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
‘Republican’, but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I’ll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
06 Jan 2006 04:17:44 PM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:n1qtr15hpa05i9nvjtmsqcb03iuiude0qf@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
On 6 Jan 2006 12:53:20 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in
news:1136578936.066714.99250
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
High Schoolers are Pro-Life . . .
until they get pregnant.
So why are they getting pregnant?
Which is better..
Teaching kids to avoid the situation
or
Not caring and just letting them get into the situation that may cause
their wanting to get an abortion.
Right now the current administration is pointed at the second. Planned
Parenthood and similar groups are pointed at the first.
Then we should be working on a way to get both to work together.
---
I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
'Republican', but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I'll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
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| User: "Adam H." |
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06 Jan 2006 04:38:02 PM |
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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:17:44 -0500, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:n1qtr15hpa05i9nvjtmsqcb03iuiude0qf@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
On 6 Jan 2006 12:53:20 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in
news:1136578936.066714.99250
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
High Schoolers are Pro-Life . . .
until they get pregnant.
So why are they getting pregnant?
Which is better..
Teaching kids to avoid the situation
or
Not caring and just letting them get into the situation that may cause
their wanting to get an abortion.
Right now the current administration is pointed at the second. Planned
Parenthood and similar groups are pointed at the first.
Then we should be working on a way to get both to work together.
That's up to the administration. There is no reason or call for PP to
compromise their educational standards.
---
I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
‘Republican’, but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I’ll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
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| User: "Hyerdahl" |
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06 Jan 2006 05:19:48 PM |
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Adam H. wrote:
(edit)
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I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
'Republican', but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I'll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
There is nothing that comes from nature so vicious as a Republican.
You will never find it.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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07 Jan 2006 02:13:53 AM |
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On 6 Jan 2006 15:19:48 -0800, "Hyerdahl" <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote:
Adam H. wrote:
(edit)
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I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
'Republican', but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I'll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
There is nothing that comes from nature so vicious as a Republican.
You will never find it.
True. Last bunch was tried in Neurenberg.
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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06 Jan 2006 02:57:48 PM |
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osprey wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in news:1136578936.066714.99250
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
High Schoolers are Pro-Life . . .
until they get pregnant.
So why are they getting pregnant?
Which is better..
Teaching kids to avoid the situation
or
Not caring and just letting them get into the situation that may cause
their wanting to get an abortion.
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "osprey" |
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07 Jan 2006 08:16:45 AM |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1136581068.241114.162200@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
osprey wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in
news:1136578936.066714.99250
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
High Schoolers are Pro-Life . . .
until they get pregnant.
So why are they getting pregnant?
Which is better..
Teaching kids to avoid the situation
or
Not caring and just letting them get into the situation that may cause
their wanting to get an abortion.
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching kids the
honest and complete truth.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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07 Jan 2006 10:56:25 AM |
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In article <a8-dnS3rEfakUCLenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching kids the
honest and complete truth.
From the guy who recently had an "unplanned," as you call it, child.
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| User: "osprey" |
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07 Jan 2006 11:17:42 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060856247212%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <a8-dnS3rEfakUCLenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching kids the
honest and complete truth.
From the guy who recently had an "unplanned," as you call it, child.
Do you like making a fool out of yourself? Or does it come naturally?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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07 Jan 2006 11:49:33 AM |
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In article <DoSdncIoXPcLaiLeRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060856247212%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <a8-dnS3rEfakUCLenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching kids the
honest and complete truth.
From the guy who recently had an "unplanned," as you call it, child.
Do you like making a fool out of yourself? Or does it come naturally?
Everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue. The
fact is, Osprey and his wife have had a number of what he calls
"unplanned" children. One he aborted, others were born. Osprey claims
that these "unplanned" children were not "unwanted," but has yet to
explain why he would not plan "wanted" children.
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| User: "osprey" |
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07 Jan 2006 11:52:58 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060949330479%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <DoSdncIoXPcLaiLeRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060856247212%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <a8-dnS3rEfakUCLenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and
complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get
abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching kids
the
honest and complete truth.
From the guy who recently had an "unplanned," as you call it, child.
Do you like making a fool out of yourself? Or does it come naturally?
David Barnes..still chasing.
Everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue. The
fact is, Osprey and his wife have had a number of what he calls
"unplanned" children.
You got to feel sorry for him folks, this is pathetic when people have to
use desperate measures like this.
Then again, according to Barnes..Mimi has an unwanted child.
From: "David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovem...@usa.com>
Message-ID: <310820042051490250%DumpBushInNovem...@usa.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:51:49 -0700
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.111.228.148
"If you didn't plan it, it was because you didn't want it. If you wanted it
you would have planned it."
From: Mimi Cohen <i...@cox.net>
Message-ID: <srC5f.9589$gj1.5683@fed1read05>
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:30:49 -0700
I realize that most women aren't as fertile as the women in my family.
Meet my first child, I got pregnant with him on the birth control pill,
meet my second child I got pregnant with an IUD in me, they had to
remove it to keep from hurting her. Obviously neither of the children
(long ago adults now) were planned pregnancies,
One he aborted, others were born.
I aborted? How in the world could I have aborted a child???
Osprey claims
that these "unplanned" children were not "unwanted," but has yet to
explain why he would not plan "wanted" children.
Now Barnes thinks people need to give him an explanation as to why they did
or didn't have children. How sad...he is truly breaking apart.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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07 Jan 2006 11:59:04 AM |
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In article <i7adnYuWo6lPYiLenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060949330479%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <DoSdncIoXPcLaiLeRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060856247212%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <a8-dnS3rEfakUCLenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and
complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get
abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching kids
the
honest and complete truth.
From the guy who recently had an "unplanned," as you call it, child.
Do you like making a fool out of yourself? Or does it come naturally?
David Barnes..still chasing.
Everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue. The
fact is, Osprey and his wife have had a number of what he calls
"unplanned" children.
You got to feel sorry for him folks, this is pathetic when people have to
use desperate measures like this.
You "got to" do you?
Then again, according to Barnes..Mimi has an unwanted child.
Stop trying to change the subject.
Again, everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue.
One he aborted, others were born.
I aborted? How in the world could I have aborted a child???
Osprey thinks claiming no responsibility for his children is a virtue.
Osprey claims
that these "unplanned" children were not "unwanted," but has yet to
explain why he would not plan "wanted" children.
Now Barnes thinks people need to give him an explanation as to why they did
or didn't have children. How sad...he is truly breaking apart.
So Osprey won't explain this one. But he doesn't mind claiming
abstinence should be taught to school children. Even though he seems
to have a tough time with it.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
07 Jan 2006 12:05:35 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060959044720%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <i7adnYuWo6lPYiLenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060949330479%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <DoSdncIoXPcLaiLeRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060856247212%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <a8-dnS3rEfakUCLenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the
situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and
complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth
control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other
similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get
abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching
kids
the
honest and complete truth.
From the guy who recently had an "unplanned," as you call it, child.
Do you like making a fool out of yourself? Or does it come naturally?
David Barnes..still chasing.
Everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue. The
fact is, Osprey and his wife have had a number of what he calls
"unplanned" children.
You got to feel sorry for him folks, this is pathetic when people have to
use desperate measures like this.
You "got to" do you?
I do feel sorry for you yes, you are pitiful and in need of help.
Then again, according to Barnes..Mimi has an unwanted child.
Stop trying to change the subject.
Again, everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue.
Ahh, bullet fired..direct hit..Barnes wounded..:o)
One he aborted, others were born.
I aborted? How in the world could I have aborted a child???
Osprey thinks claiming no responsibility for his children is a virtue.
So you think men can abort children...how can that be?
Osprey claims
that these "unplanned" children were not "unwanted," but has yet to
explain why he would not plan "wanted" children.
Now Barnes thinks people need to give him an explanation as to why they
did
or didn't have children. How sad...he is truly breaking apart.
So Osprey won't explain this one.
Because I don't have to moron, you don't understand that.
My wife and I have four beautiful children, all wanted, all loved.
That bothers you.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
07 Jan 2006 12:32:00 PM |
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In article <He6dnYx8X4dbn13eRVn-gQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060959044720%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <i7adnYuWo6lPYiLenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060949330479%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <DoSdncIoXPcLaiLeRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060856247212%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <a8-dnS3rEfakUCLenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the
situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and
complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth
control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other
similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get
abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching
kids
the
honest and complete truth.
From the guy who recently had an "unplanned," as you call it, child.
Do you like making a fool out of yourself? Or does it come naturally?
David Barnes..still chasing.
Everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue. The
fact is, Osprey and his wife have had a number of what he calls
"unplanned" children.
You got to feel sorry for him folks, this is pathetic when people have to
use desperate measures like this.
You "got to" do you?
I do feel sorry for you yes, you are pitiful and in need of help.
Then again, according to Barnes..Mimi has an unwanted child.
Stop trying to change the subject.
Again, everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue.
Ahh, bullet fired..direct hit..Barnes wounded..:o)
Meaning you have no answer. We have now established the child is
unwanted, apparently.
One he aborted, others were born.
I aborted? How in the world could I have aborted a child???
Osprey thinks claiming no responsibility for his children is a virtue.
So you think men can abort children...how can that be?
So you think men have no say in whether their wives have an abortion?
How "responsible" of you.
Osprey claims
that these "unplanned" children were not "unwanted," but has yet to
explain why he would not plan "wanted" children.
Now Barnes thinks people need to give him an explanation as to why they
did
or didn't have children. How sad...he is truly breaking apart.
So Osprey won't explain this one.
Because I don't have to moron, you don't understand that.
But you explain other things. Strange.
My wife and I have four beautiful children, all wanted, all loved.
If you wanted them, why not plan them?
That bothers you.
Nothing you do bother me.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
07 Jan 2006 03:38:11 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120061032003266%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <He6dnYx8X4dbn13eRVn-gQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060959044720%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <i7adnYuWo6lPYiLenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060949330479%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <DoSdncIoXPcLaiLeRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060856247212%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <a8-dnS3rEfakUCLenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the
situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and
complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy
and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth
control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other
similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get
abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching
kids
the
honest and complete truth.
From the guy who recently had an "unplanned," as you call it,
child.
Do you like making a fool out of yourself? Or does it come
naturally?
David Barnes..still chasing.
Everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue. The
fact is, Osprey and his wife have had a number of what he calls
"unplanned" children.
You got to feel sorry for him folks, this is pathetic when people have
to
use desperate measures like this.
You "got to" do you?
I do feel sorry for you yes, you are pitiful and in need of help.
Then again, according to Barnes..Mimi has an unwanted child.
Stop trying to change the subject.
Again, everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue.
Ahh, bullet fired..direct hit..Barnes wounded..:o)
Meaning you have no answer. We have now established the child is
unwanted, apparently.
Again, you are pitiful that you even need to stoop to this level. You are
worse than the liberal, and I really didn't think you could get that bad.
One he aborted, others were born.
I aborted? How in the world could I have aborted a child???
Osprey thinks claiming no responsibility for his children is a virtue.
So you think men can abort children...how can that be?
So you think men have no say in whether their wives have an abortion?
So you think men can abort children...how can that be?
How "responsible" of you.
How "stupid" of you to think men can abort children.
Osprey claims
that these "unplanned" children were not "unwanted," but has yet to
explain why he would not plan "wanted" children.
Now Barnes thinks people need to give him an explanation as to why
they
did
or didn't have children. How sad...he is truly breaking apart.
So Osprey won't explain this one.
Because I don't have to moron, you don't understand that.
But you explain other things. Strange.
My wife and I have four beautiful children, all wanted, all loved.
If you wanted them, why not plan them?
So you think if children were not planned they can't be wanted.
I am sure Mimi will share your feelings since you have just bashed her and
said she doesn't love or want her children.
That bothers you.
Nothing you do bother me.
Evidence suggest otherwise.
.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: the birth of a new osprey lie |
07 Jan 2006 06:03:59 PM |
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In article <8padnVgR_t4yqV3eRVn-sQ@comcast.com>,
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120061032003266%dbarnes@aol.com...
So you think men have no say in whether their wives have an abortion?
that was a question from barnes. now watch coward bobby's reply.
So you think men can abort children.
there it is, he makes of a new lie.
..how can that be?
then he questions barnes about the new lie that he, osprey, just made
up.
How "responsible" of you.
How "stupid" of you to think men can abort children.
and here, of course, coward bobby reinforces his new lie.
which is why no one ever really wants to engage him in any kind of
normal exchange.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
07 Jan 2006 04:59:16 PM |
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In article <8padnVgR_t4yqV3eRVn-sQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120061032003266%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <He6dnYx8X4dbn13eRVn-gQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060959044720%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <i7adnYuWo6lPYiLenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060949330479%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <DoSdncIoXPcLaiLeRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060856247212%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <a8-dnS3rEfakUCLenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the
situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and
complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy
and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth
control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other
similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get
abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching
kids
the
honest and complete truth.
From the guy who recently had an "unplanned," as you call it,
child.
Do you like making a fool out of yourself? Or does it come
naturally?
David Barnes..still chasing.
Everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue. The
fact is, Osprey and his wife have had a number of what he calls
"unplanned" children.
You got to feel sorry for him folks, this is pathetic when people have
to
use desperate measures like this.
You "got to" do you?
I do feel sorry for you yes, you are pitiful and in need of help.
Then again, according to Barnes..Mimi has an unwanted child.
Stop trying to change the subject.
Again, everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue.
Ahh, bullet fired..direct hit..Barnes wounded..:o)
Meaning you have no answer. We have now established the child is
unwanted, apparently.
Again, you are pitiful that you even need to stoop to this level. You are
worse than the liberal, and I really didn't think you could get that bad.
It just seems that way to you.
One he aborted, others were born.
I aborted? How in the world could I have aborted a child???
Osprey thinks claiming no responsibility for his children is a virtue.
So you think men can abort children...how can that be?
So you think men have no say in whether their wives have an abortion?
So you think men can abort children...how can that be?
Osprey the irresponsible.
How "responsible" of you.
How "stupid" of you to think men can abort children.
Osprey tries to split definitional hairs rather than admit he is an
irresponsible *****.
Osprey claims
that these "unplanned" children were not "unwanted," but has yet to
explain why he would not plan "wanted" children.
Now Barnes thinks people need to give him an explanation as to why
they
did
or didn't have children. How sad...he is truly breaking apart.
So Osprey won't explain this one.
Because I don't have to moron, you don't understand that.
But you explain other things. Strange.
My wife and I have four beautiful children, all wanted, all loved.
If you wanted them, why not plan them?
So you think if children were not planned they can't be wanted.
In this case, yes.
I am sure Mimi will share your feelings since you have just bashed her and
said she doesn't love or want her children.
<Yawn> Don't be so stupid. Mimi is pro-choice. That means that if she
didn't want the child she would have had an abortion. She had choices,
and she chose to have it.
YOU on the other hand are pro-life and believe you have no option. You
made the mistake so you have to live with it.
That is one of the nice things about being a child of a pro-choice
woman. You know she wanted you. In your case, the child will always
wonder, "Was I wanted or did they just feel they had to have me because
they were irresponsible?"
That bothers you.
Nothing you do bother me.
Evidence suggest otherwise.
You don't even know what evidence is.
.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: David Barnes proves he has a mental problem |
07 Jan 2006 05:19:46 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120061459158159%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <8padnVgR_t4yqV3eRVn-sQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120061032003266%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <He6dnYx8X4dbn13eRVn-gQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060959044720%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <i7adnYuWo6lPYiLenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060949330479%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <DoSdncIoXPcLaiLeRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060856247212%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <a8-dnS3rEfakUCLenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the
situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest
and
complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of
pregnancy
and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth
control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and
other
similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk
of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get
abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in
teaching
kids
the
honest and complete truth.
From the guy who recently had an "unplanned," as you call it,
child.
Do you like making a fool out of yourself? Or does it come
naturally?
David Barnes..still chasing.
Everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue.
The
fact is, Osprey and his wife have had a number of what he calls
"unplanned" children.
You got to feel sorry for him folks, this is pathetic when people
have
to
use desperate measures like this.
You "got to" do you?
I do feel sorry for you yes, you are pitiful and in need of help.
Then again, according to Barnes..Mimi has an unwanted child.
Stop trying to change the subject.
Again, everyone should note how this comment didn't address the
issue.
Ahh, bullet fired..direct hit..Barnes wounded..:o)
Meaning you have no answer. We have now established the child is
unwanted, apparently.
Again, you are pitiful that you even need to stoop to this level. You are
worse than the liberal, and I really didn't think you could get that bad.
It just seems that way to you.
One he aborted, others were born.
I aborted? How in the world could I have aborted a child???
Osprey thinks claiming no responsibility for his children is a
virtue.
So you think men can abort children...how can that be?
So you think men have no say in whether their wives have an abortion?
So you think men can abort children...how can that be?
Osprey the irresponsible.
How "responsible" of you.
How "stupid" of you to think men can abort children.
Osprey tries to split definitional hairs rather than admit he is an
irresponsible *****.
Osprey claims
that these "unplanned" children were not "unwanted," but has yet
to
explain why he would not plan "wanted" children.
Now Barnes thinks people need to give him an explanation as to why
they
did
or didn't have children. How sad...he is truly breaking apart.
So Osprey won't explain this one.
Because I don't have to moron, you don't understand that.
But you explain other things. Strange.
My wife and I have four beautiful children, all wanted, all loved.
If you wanted them, why not plan them?
So you think if children were not planned they can't be wanted.
In this case, yes.
I am sure Mimi will share your feelings since you have just bashed her
and
said she doesn't love or want her children.
<Yawn> Don't be so stupid. Mimi is pro-choice. That means that if she
didn't want the child she would have had an abortion. She had choices,
and she chose to have it.
YOU on the other hand are pro-life and believe you have no option. You
made the mistake so you have to live with it.
That is one of the nice things about being a child of a pro-choice
woman. You know she wanted you. In your case, the child will always
wonder, "Was I wanted or did they just feel they had to have me because
they were irresponsible?"
Your response serves my purpose well. I don't even need to point out how
idiotic it truly is. I am sure that you will find not many will share your
opinion at all, in fact, your response shows exactly what I have been saying
all along about you. You have a serious mental problem.
That bothers you.
Nothing you do bother me.
Evidence suggest otherwise.
You don't even know what evidence is.
.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: David Barnes proves he has a mental problem |
07 Jan 2006 05:32:17 PM |
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In article <QMCdnTu9yZvo0V3eRVn-tg@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120061459158159%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <8padnVgR_t4yqV3eRVn-sQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120061032003266%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <He6dnYx8X4dbn13eRVn-gQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060959044720%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <i7adnYuWo6lPYiLenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060949330479%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <DoSdncIoXPcLaiLeRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060856247212%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <a8-dnS3rEfakUCLenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the
situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest
and
complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of
pregnancy
and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth
control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and
other
similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk
of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get
abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in
teaching
kids
the
honest and complete truth.
From the guy who recently had an "unplanned," as you call it,
child.
Do you like making a fool out of yourself? Or does it come
naturally?
David Barnes..still chasing.
Everyone should note how this comment didn't address the issue.
The
fact is, Osprey and his wife have had a number of what he calls
"unplanned" children.
You got to feel sorry for him folks, this is pathetic when people
have
to
use desperate measures like this.
You "got to" do you?
I do feel sorry for you yes, you are pitiful and in need of help.
Then again, according to Barnes..Mimi has an unwanted child.
Stop trying to change the subject.
Again, everyone should note how this comment didn't address the
issue.
Ahh, bullet fired..direct hit..Barnes wounded..:o)
Meaning you have no answer. We have now established the child is
unwanted, apparently.
Again, you are pitiful that you even need to stoop to this level. You are
worse than the liberal, and I really didn't think you could get that bad.
It just seems that way to you.
One he aborted, others were born.
I aborted? How in the world could I have aborted a child???
Osprey thinks claiming no responsibility for his children is a
virtue.
So you think men can abort children...how can that be?
So you think men have no say in whether their wives have an abortion?
So you think men can abort children...how can that be?
Osprey the irresponsible.
How "responsible" of you.
How "stupid" of you to think men can abort children.
Osprey tries to split definitional hairs rather than admit he is an
irresponsible *****.
Osprey claims
that these "unplanned" children were not "unwanted," but has yet
to
explain why he would not plan "wanted" children.
Now Barnes thinks people need to give him an explanation as to why
they
did
or didn't have children. How sad...he is truly breaking apart.
So Osprey won't explain this one.
Because I don't have to moron, you don't understand that.
But you explain other things. Strange.
My wife and I have four beautiful children, all wanted, all loved.
If you wanted them, why not plan them?
So you think if children were not planned they can't be wanted.
In this case, yes.
I am sure Mimi will share your feelings since you have just bashed her
and
said she doesn't love or want her children.
I see Osprey changed the title of the post he is responding to again -
how childish.
<Yawn> Don't be so stupid. Mimi is pro-choice. That means that if she
didn't want the child she would have had an abortion. She had choices,
and she chose to have it.
YOU on the other hand are pro-life and believe you have no option. You
made the mistake so you have to live with it.
That is one of the nice things about being a child of a pro-choice
woman. You know she wanted you. In your case, the child will always
wonder, "Was I wanted or did they just feel they had to have me because
they were irresponsible?"
Your response serves my purpose well. I don't even need to point out how
idiotic it truly is.
Translation - "Osprey is screwed."
I am sure that you will find not many will share your
opinion at all, in fact, your response shows exactly what I have been saying
all along about you. You have a serious mental problem.
So I buried you.
Osprey was shut down to the point where he can't even respond!
Very satisfying. :-)
That bothers you.
Nothing you do bother me.
Evidence suggest otherwise.
You don't even know what evidence is.
.
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| User: "Katherine OFlaherty" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
09 Jan 2006 03:35:45 AM |
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osprey wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060959044720%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <i7adnYuWo6lPYiLenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060949330479%dbarnes@aol.com...
Osprey claims
that these "unplanned" children were not "unwanted," but has yet to
explain why he would not plan "wanted" children.
Now Barnes thinks people need to give him an explanation as to why they
did or didn't have children. How sad...he is truly breaking apart.
So Osprey won't explain this one.
Because I don't have to moron, you don't understand that.
My wife and I have four beautiful children, all wanted, all loved.
Your two eldest children aren't your first wife's?
(And no, Osprey--it doesn't bother I or anybody else here that you have
progeny in which you cannot sufficiently support on your own.)
That bothers you.
It doesn't bother *me* in the way you might believe!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
07 Jan 2006 01:18:59 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
osprey
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching kids the
honest and complete truth.
From the guy who recently had an "unplanned," as you call it, child.
Do you like making a fool out of yourself? Or does it come naturally?
He's just pointing out that you can't even manage to take your own
advice.
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| User: "Hyerdahl" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
08 Jan 2006 11:47:49 PM |
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osprey wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070120060856247212%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <a8-dnS3rEfakUCLenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
(edit)
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching kids the
honest and complete truth.
From the guy who recently had an "unplanned," as you call it, child.
Do you like making a fool out of yourself? Or does it come naturally?
Now THAT'S FUNNY!
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
07 Jan 2006 08:44:36 AM |
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osprey lied:
honest
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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| User: "Hyerdahl" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
08 Jan 2006 05:04:00 AM |
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osprey wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
(edit)
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Indeed.> >
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching kids the
honest and complete truth.
Teaching abstinence is perfectly fine, but most kids in their late
teens, with hormones racing, don't choose abstinence. That being the
case, teaching it is less effective than teaching prophilactics.
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
08 Jan 2006 02:31:36 AM |
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osprey wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1136581068.241114.162200@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
osprey wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in
news:1136578936.066714.99250
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
High Schoolers are Pro-Life . . .
until they get pregnant.
So why are they getting pregnant?
Which is better..
Teaching kids to avoid the situation
or
Not caring and just letting them get into the situation that may cause
their wanting to get an abortion.
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching kids the
honest and complete truth.
However, "Don't have sex" does nothing to prepare them for when they
do. Only a minority of today's teens remain virgins until graduation,
and far fewer until marriage. The purpose of sex ed should be to tell
them in an honest and comprehensive manner what can happen if you have
sex, and how to prevent as much of the unwanted consequences from
happening when you do.
You only gave two options to me, neither of which was a good one. That
is why I gave a third. Yes, in a comprehensive sex ed program,
abstinence is talked about and encouraged, but it should not be the
only option talked about, not should much time be spent on it since
that is the one that is easiest to understand and has the fewest
complications and is the least likely option that will be followed.
Just teaching them about abstinence is essential the same as your
second option, because that is what you will be doing, not giving them
the information that they need and thus letting them get into a
situation which will cause them to want to get an abortion.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: Bad News For Liberals: High Schoolers Are Pro-Life |
08 Jan 2006 02:32:43 AM |
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osprey wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1136581068.241114.162200@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
osprey wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in
news:1136578936.066714.99250
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
High Schoolers are Pro-Life . . .
until they get pregnant.
So why are they getting pregnant?
Which is better..
Teaching kids to avoid the situation
or
Not caring and just letting them get into the situation that may cause
their wanting to get an abortion.
Option 3: Realizing that most of them WILL get into the situation
where they could become pregnant, and give them the honest and complete
information that they need to minimize the risk of pregnancy and
catching STDs. Things like the facts about condoms, birth control,
other contraceptives, morning after pills, RU 486, and other similar
information.
If you do not give them the information to reduce the risk of
pregnancy, then you are effectively encouraging them to get abortions
when they do become pregnant.
Mark Sebree
Don't forget abstinence. It too, should be included in teaching kids the
honest and complete truth.
However, "Don't have sex" does nothing to prepare them for when they
do. Only a minority of today's teens remain virgins until graduation,
and far fewer until marriage. The purpose of sex ed should be to tell
them in an honest and comprehensive manner what can happen if you have
sex, and how to prevent as much of the unwanted consequences from
happening when you do.
You only gave two options to me, neither of which was a good one. That
is why I gave a third. Yes, in a comprehensive sex ed program,
abstinence is talked about and encouraged, but it should not be the
only option talked about, not should much time be spent on it since
that is the one that is easiest to understand and has the fewest
complications and is the least likely option that will be followed.
Just teaching them about abstinence is essential the same as your
second option, because that is what you will be doing, not giving them
the information that they need and thus letting them get into a
situation which will cause them to want to get an abortion.
Mark Sebree
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