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"har har" |
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12 Jul 2004 08:11:24 AM |
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Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
Whether we're pro or con, the often heard argument that a ban of
same-sex marriages constitutes discrimination of gay couples needs
rectification:
Two heterosexuals of the same sex are also not allowed to marry.
;-)
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
12 Jul 2004 08:46:38 AM |
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"har har" <nph@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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Whether we're pro or con, the often heard argument that a ban of
same-sex marriages constitutes discrimination of gay couples needs
rectification:
Two heterosexuals of the same sex are also not allowed to marry.
;-)
? I hope you're being funny
Because they wouldnt want to get married? People in love usually want to
get married at some point, by banning same sex marriages you are
discriminating against those who are gay.
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| User: "Dale" |
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12 Jul 2004 01:39:36 PM |
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"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
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"har har" <nph@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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Whether we're pro or con, the often heard argument that a ban of
same-sex marriages constitutes discrimination of gay couples needs
rectification:
Two heterosexuals of the same sex are also not allowed to marry.
;-)
? I hope you're being funny
Because they wouldnt want to get married?
Why wouldn't they want to get married? For one thing, it makes becoming a US
citizen that much easier. Just find a straight person of the same sex who's
willing to marry you until you get your citizenship. I'm sure there are
other ways people could benefit by marrying a person of the same sex.
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| User: "lensman1955" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
12 Jul 2004 10:45:41 PM |
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"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message news:<cculue$m94@library1.airnews.net>...
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:ccu4ns$ht0$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
"har har" <nph@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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Whether we're pro or con, the often heard argument that a ban of
same-sex marriages constitutes discrimination of gay couples needs
rectification:
Two heterosexuals of the same sex are also not allowed to marry.
;-)
? I hope you're being funny
Because they wouldnt want to get married?
Why wouldn't they want to get married? For one thing, it makes becoming a US
citizen that much easier. Just find a straight person of the same sex who's
willing to marry you until you get your citizenship. I'm sure there are
other ways people could benefit by marrying a person of the same sex.
Except the Immigration people don't want "mixed couples" getting
married for the sake of citizenship. So your argument doesn't work.
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| User: "a poor misguided soul" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
12 Jul 2004 01:59:12 PM |
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Dale wrote:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:ccu4ns$ht0$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
"har har" <nph@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:5e7c4a9f.0407120511.300c2350@posting.google.com...
Whether we're pro or con, the often heard argument that a ban of
same-sex marriages constitutes discrimination of gay couples needs
rectification:
Two heterosexuals of the same sex are also not allowed to marry.
;-)
? I hope you're being funny
Because they wouldnt want to get married?
Why wouldn't they want to get married? For one thing, it makes becoming a US
citizen that much easier. Just find a straight person of the same sex who's
willing to marry you until you get your citizenship. I'm sure there are
other ways people could benefit by marrying a person of the same sex.
You do that then. And have fun kissing the bride.
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Are you a normal, mentaly stable, well adjusted person?
If not please visit www.patism.co.nr
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| User: "GlennGlenn" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
12 Jul 2004 06:28:37 PM |
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a poor misguided soul wrote:
Dale wrote:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:ccu4ns$ht0$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
"har har" <nph@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:5e7c4a9f.0407120511.300c2350@posting.google.com...
Whether we're pro or con, the often heard argument that a ban of
same-sex marriages constitutes discrimination of gay couples needs
rectification:
Two heterosexuals of the same sex are also not allowed to marry.
;-)
? I hope you're being funny
Because they wouldnt want to get married?
Why wouldn't they want to get married? For one thing, it makes
becoming a US
citizen that much easier. Just find a straight person of the same sex
who's
willing to marry you until you get your citizenship. I'm sure there are
other ways people could benefit by marrying a person of the same sex.
You do that then. And have fun kissing the bride.
Just *one* kiss? 'Snothing. When I (a multigenrational WASP male) meet
my Persian in-laws at gatherings (yes, I'm married to a woman), I kiss
several men.... twice "hello" and twice "good-bye."
That's four kisses per meeting with each of them. Their whiskers
exfoliate my cheeks by the end of the evening.
GlennGlenn
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
12 Jul 2004 09:03:48 PM |
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"GlennGlenn" <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
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a poor misguided soul wrote:
Dale wrote:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:ccu4ns$ht0$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
"har har" <nph@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:5e7c4a9f.0407120511.300c2350@posting.google.com...
Whether we're pro or con, the often heard argument that a ban of
same-sex marriages constitutes discrimination of gay couples needs
rectification:
Two heterosexuals of the same sex are also not allowed to marry.
;-)
? I hope you're being funny
Because they wouldnt want to get married?
Why wouldn't they want to get married? For one thing, it makes
becoming a US
citizen that much easier. Just find a straight person of the same sex
who's
willing to marry you until you get your citizenship. I'm sure there are
other ways people could benefit by marrying a person of the same sex.
You do that then. And have fun kissing the bride.
Just *one* kiss? 'Snothing. When I (a multigenrational WASP male) meet
my Persian in-laws at gatherings (yes, I'm married to a woman), I kiss
several men.... twice "hello" and twice "good-bye."
That's four kisses per meeting with each of them. Their whiskers
exfoliate my cheeks by the end of the evening.
Did that give you a boner?
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| User: "LivingforJesus74202" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
13 Jul 2004 08:19:50 AM |
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This country was founded on biblical principles and morals. What people
misunderstand is that the gay/lesbian lifestyle is just that...it is not an
ethnic group such as Asians, Blacks, Japanese, etc. It is a sexual
lifestyle that is not created and ordained by God. Those insisting on a
gay/lesbian lifestyle have eliminated belief in God for pleasure of the
material world AND DEMONIC LUST. Because homosexuals have eliminated God
from their lives, they are getting Aids as a result, and now it is passing
in to the normal population. That should send a clear message that
something is out of balance. It really is so simple. Live as God ordained
us to live and follow the Ten Commandments that God gave us and life will
be good, which is what God wants for us all. To try to wipe out the Ten
Commandments from a courtroom, or a cross in the Mojave Desert in
California (by the ACLU) is anti-Christ and needs to stop. Were it not for
the fact that this country's freedom comes from its foundation in the Ten
Commandments and morals taught in the Bible, the ACLU and gays and lesbians
would not be tolerated and their attempts at perversion be allowed. That
would never be accepted in either China or Russia. I don't think I have to
spell out what either government in those countries would do to homos.
It really is simple. Read Leviticus, chapter 18.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
13 Jul 2004 03:10:36 PM |
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"LivingforJesus74202" <LivingforJesus74202@prodigy.com> wrote
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
Well, "Land," but you were close.
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| User: "RobertVB" |
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13 Jul 2004 09:04:09 AM |
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In article <WjRIc.14957$9f5.10507@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>,
LivingforJesus74202 <LivingforJesus74202@prodigy.com> wrote:
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
No it was founded on Diest principles and morals.
Your right to your superstition ends at the tip of my nose, to mix a
metaphor. You can continue worship dead people, to engage in ritual
cannibalism and the like as long as you don't expect me to do the same
or pretend that you are right in doing so and others are wrong if they
don't.
Same gender couples can already religiously marry - that boat has
sailed long ago. The current discussion is only about the civil
contract of marriage and its licensing requirements.
As has been shown in aph many times, there is no valid secular reason
for denying same gender couples who want to build a life together
access to the contract, and many reasons why they shouldn't be. All
the legal reasons that rationalize opposite gender couples access to
this contract apply to same gender ones. The individuals reap the
same benefits, the couples reap the same benefits, society reaps the
same benefits. Allowing same gender marriage is really a 'no lose'
situation, and infact has been shown by the GAO as being a money making
proposition for the federal government.
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"...when all the noise quiets down, in that moment we should see our way clear
to allowing same-sex couples to marry for the same, selfish primitive reasons
that we do: to not be alone, to have a steady source of comfort in our lives,
to belong to someone who has promised to be there for us tomorrow and tomorrow
and tomorrow."
"After all, what else is marriage for?"
-- Robert Lerose, 2004 winner - 'Great American Thinkoff' contest
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| User: "JTEM" |
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13 Jul 2004 02:26:47 PM |
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"RobertVB" <nospam@4me.com> wrote
LivingforJesus74202 <LivingforJesus74202@prodigy.com> wrote:
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
No it was founded on Diest principles and morals.
No, America was founded on land. People came here for land. The
single most important (and thoroughly unChristian) principle this
nation was founded on was "property rights."
Only a tiny fraction of the European population could ever own
land. Even for the aristocracy, leaving land to all their children
would have meant breaking up the estate.
America was founded on "Get Rich Quick" at a time when "wealth"
directly translated to "Land."
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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14 Jul 2004 11:02:53 AM |
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In our last thrilling episode, LivingforJesus74202
<LivingforJesus74202@prodigy.com> was pushed over the cliffs of
alt.atheism on Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:19:50 GMT by Zoog, minion of
Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
Not really. Nothing in the Bible supports concepts like democracy,
freedom from slavery, people having a voice in their affairs. The US
is not a Christian nation. Don't believe me? Read the Treaty of
Tripoli.
What people
misunderstand is that the gay/lesbian lifestyle is just that...it is not an
ethnic group such as Asians, Blacks, Japanese, etc. It is a sexual
lifestyle that is not created and ordained by God.
So? In the United States we are not constrained by what your beliefs
are. Go read the First Amendment.
Also, any marriage is a lifestyle choice, as is any religion. You
aren't born a Christian, you have to be taught the basics of the
faith, and you can simply decide not to believe it anymore, or to
believe that Allah is the one true god, or whatever. There are reams
of studies showing that sexual orientation is an intrinsic part of us,
and not something we choose.
Those insisting on a
gay/lesbian lifestyle have eliminated belief in God for pleasure of the
material world AND DEMONIC LUST.
Explain the MCC then.
http://www.mccchurch.org/
Homosexuals follow religions at about the same rate as heterosexuals.
Because homosexuals have eliminated God
from their lives, they are getting Aids as a result, and now it is passing
in to the normal population.
Nope. AIDS is a disease. Passed through contact between bodily
fluids. Most of the people in the world with AIDS are straight, and
in Africa (where the disease began) there are places where the
infection rate tops 50% because of heterosexual contacts.
That should send a clear message that
something is out of balance. It really is so simple. Live as God ordained
us to live and follow the Ten Commandments that God gave us and life will
be good, which is what God wants for us all.
Back when Europe was entirely Christian, a little thing called the
Black Death wiped out half the population.
To try to wipe out the Ten
Commandments from a courtroom, or a cross in the Mojave Desert in
California (by the ACLU) is anti-Christ and needs to stop.
Didn't God have something to say about graven images?
Were it not for
the fact that this country's freedom comes from its foundation in the Ten
Commandments and morals taught in the Bible, the ACLU and gays and lesbians
would not be tolerated and their attempts at perversion be allowed.
Hmmm...
The First Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Sorry, but the freedom to worship as one pleases, wether it be the
Judeo-Christian god, Allah, or the Invisible Pink Unicorn is not
biblical.
That
would never be accepted in either China or Russia. I don't think I have to
spell out what either government in those countries would do to homos.
Actually, both nations did some pretty crappy things to Christians.
Not the best example for you to use.
It really is simple. Read Leviticus, chapter 18.
do you follow *all* the laws laid down in Leviticus? ALL of them?
Have you made your blood sacrifice to God recently? (17:6) Refused to
be in the same room with a menstruating woman? You do know that
during her period, God requires that a woman be held in captivity,
right? Do you know how to ritually cleanse anything that gets sperm
on it? Do you keep slaves?
Do you shave? If so, you are in big trouble!
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Jez" |
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13 Jul 2004 09:34:13 AM |
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LivingforJesus74202 wrote:
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
No, it was founded on the slaughter of the indigenous people...
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Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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13 Jul 2004 11:08:54 AM |
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In article <40f3f2c7$0$6445$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>, Jez
<iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
-LivingforJesus74202 wrote:
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-> This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
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-No, it was founded on the slaughter of the indigenous people...
And the enslavement of Blacks...first brought from slave ships, and later
Blacks who were bred like cattle by "good Chirstian".
In addtion, the New testament if read literally, would have forbidden the
"act of rebellion" against the King of Ebgland.
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-Jez
-"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
-of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
-highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
-and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
-perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
-R.D. Laing
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://Rainbow-Christian.tk
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
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| User: "JTEM" |
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13 Jul 2004 02:29:52 PM |
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"Ninure Saunders" <RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk> wrote
Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
-LivingforJesus74202 wrote:
-> This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
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-No, it was founded on the slaughter of the indigenous people...
And the enslavement of Blacks...first brought from slave ships, and
later Blacks who were bred like cattle by "good Chirstian".
"Indentured servants." he first Africans brought to the American main land
were sold as "indentured servants," and were freed after their time of
service, just as white people were.
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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13 Jul 2004 05:01:32 PM |
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In article <qZWdnedRvcx2q2ndRVn-sw@comcast.com>, "JTEM"
<gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
-"Ninure Saunders" <RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk> wrote
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-> Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
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-> -LivingforJesus74202 wrote:
-> -> This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
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-> -No, it was founded on the slaughter of the indigenous people...
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-> And the enslavement of Blacks...first brought from slave ships, and
-> later Blacks who were bred like cattle by "good Chirstian".
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-"Indentured servants." he first Africans brought to the American main land
-were sold as "indentured servants," and were freed after their time of
-service, just as white people were.
You need to bone up on your American History a bit.
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://Rainbow-Christian.tk
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
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Take my polls
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http://www.MCCchurch.org
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| User: "JTEM" |
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13 Jul 2004 08:57:59 PM |
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"Ninure Saunders" <RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk> wrote
- "Indentured servants." he first Africans brought to the American
- main land were sold as "indentured servants," and were freed
- after their time of service, just as white people were.
You need to bone up on your American History a bit.
I have. That's why I said "the first Africans" instead of the first
"Black person."
There's certainly evidence that there was at least one black man
on board the Mayflower. Scholars are still debating, but Abraham
Pearse is believed by many to be the "Blackamoor" listed on board
the Mayflower.
Yes, some dispute the "indentured servant" status of the first Africans
brought to America, but even those people acknowledge considerable
evidence of that fact.
However, I will leave their arguments to you, in the event you choose
to defend your position instead of merely declaring yourself an
authority figure.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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13 Jul 2004 02:33:52 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:34:13 +0100, Jez
<iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
LivingforJesus74202 wrote:
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
No, it was founded on the slaughter of the indigenous people...
That is very Biblical.
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| User: "Jez" |
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14 Jul 2004 05:59:46 AM |
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thomas p wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:34:13 +0100, Jez
<iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
LivingforJesus74202 wrote:
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
No, it was founded on the slaughter of the indigenous people...
That is very Biblical.
LOL ! True enough !
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 Jul 2004 04:37:39 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:19:50 +0000, LivingforJesus74202 wrote:
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
Only when it came to theft of land, murder, and rapine.
Free clue...the bible suffers from a lack of principles or morals.
poor poor uneducated and superstitious wanker.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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13 Jul 2004 09:05:41 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:19:50 GMT, LivingforJesus74202
<LivingforJesus74202@prodigy.com> wrote:
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
Entirely wrong.
What people
misunderstand is that the gay/lesbian lifestyle is just that...it is not an
ethnic group such as Asians, Blacks, Japanese, etc. It is a sexual
lifestyle that is not created and ordained by God.
1) Did you choose a straight life style?
2) Read your constitution.
Those insisting on a
gay/lesbian lifestyle have eliminated belief in God for pleasure of the
material world AND DEMONIC LUST.
Suppose they would. Where does it say in your constitution that this
is forbidden?
Because homosexuals have eliminated God
from their lives, they are getting Aids as a result, and now it is passing
in to the normal population.
Quite wrong. Aids and gods have nothing to do with one another.
That should send a clear message that
something is out of balance.
Yes, mainly your mind.
It really is so simple. Live as God ordained
us to live and follow the Ten Commandments that God gave us and life will
be good, which is what God wants for us all.
Do you obey ALL commands given by your god for all eternity? Really?
In which institution are you nursed?
To try to wipe out the Ten
Commandments from a courtroom, or a cross in the Mojave Desert in
California (by the ACLU) is anti-Christ and needs to stop.
You really didn't read your constitution, did you?
Were it not for
the fact that this country's freedom comes from its foundation in the Ten
Commandments and morals taught in the Bible, the ACLU and gays and lesbians
would not be tolerated and their attempts at perversion be allowed.
You know that you would be prosecuted in Europe for your above
remarks?
That would never be accepted in either China or Russia.
No? How would you know?
I don't think I have to
spell out what either government in those countries would do to homos.
I don't think you can.
It really is simple. Read Leviticus, chapter 18.
Read a bit more than just 18.22. What about the other commands, the
ones you rather choose to ignore?
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 Jul 2004 05:07:11 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:05:41 +0700, Jos Flachs wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:19:50 GMT, LivingforJesus74202
<LivingforJesus74202@prodigy.com> wrote:
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
Entirely wrong.
What people
misunderstand is that the gay/lesbian lifestyle is just that...it is not an
ethnic group such as Asians, Blacks, Japanese, etc. It is a sexual
lifestyle that is not created and ordained by God.
1) Did you choose a straight life style?
2) Read your constitution.
Jos, it can't read. Words have no meaning until the priest 'interpets'
them.
Those insisting on a
gay/lesbian lifestyle have eliminated belief in God for pleasure of the
material world AND DEMONIC LUST.
Wow, how mindnumbingly boring-a christian bearing false witness.
Gosh, numbnuts, isn't it astonishing how many of those who are homosexuals (male
and female) are christians?
Suppose they would. Where does it say in your constitution that this
is forbidden?
Because homosexuals have eliminated God
from their lives, they are getting Aids as a result, and now it is passing
in to the normal population.
Quite wrong. Aids and gods have nothing to do with one another.
That should send a clear message that
something is out of balance.
Yes, mainly your mind.
It really is so simple. Live as God ordained
us to live and follow the Ten Commandments that God gave us and life will
be good, which is what God wants for us all.
Do you obey ALL commands given by your god for all eternity? Really?
In which institution are you nursed?
To try to wipe out the Ten
Commandments from a courtroom, or a cross in the Mojave Desert in
California (by the ACLU) is anti-Christ and needs to stop.
You really didn't read your constitution, did you?
Were it not for
the fact that this country's freedom comes from its foundation in the Ten
Commandments and morals taught in the Bible, the ACLU and gays and lesbians
would not be tolerated and their attempts at perversion be allowed.
You know that you would be prosecuted in Europe for your above
remarks?
That would never be accepted in either China or Russia.
No? How would you know?
I don't think I have to
spell out what either government in those countries would do to homos.
I don't think you can.
It really is simple. Read Leviticus, chapter 18.
Read a bit more than just 18.22. What about the other commands, the
ones you rather choose to ignore?
Such as the 'Commandment' against bearing false witness.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
13 Jul 2004 02:33:45 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:19:50 GMT, LivingforJesus74202
<LivingforJesus74202@prodigy.com> wrote:
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
That is complete nonsense.
What people
misunderstand is that the gay/lesbian lifestyle is just that...it is not an
ethnic group such as Asians, Blacks, Japanese, etc. It is a sexual
lifestyle that is not created and ordained by God.
Your religious beliefs are not relevant. The US is a secular nation
according to your own constitution.
Those insisting on a
gay/lesbian lifestyle have eliminated belief in God for pleasure of the
material world AND DEMONIC LUST.
More nonsense.
Snip of remaining babble.
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
13 Jul 2004 08:47:00 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:19:50 GMT, LivingforJesus74202
<LivingforJesus74202@prodigy.com> wrote:
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals. What people
misunderstand is that the gay/lesbian lifestyle is just that...it is not an
ethnic group such as Asians, Blacks, Japanese, etc. It is a sexual
lifestyle that is not created and ordained by God.
Doesn't exist.
Whole argument down the drain.
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Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
16 Jul 2004 05:02:23 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:47:00 +0000, W.Sym wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:19:50 GMT, LivingforJesus74202
<LivingforJesus74202@prodigy.com> wrote:
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals. What people
misunderstand is that the gay/lesbian lifestyle is just that...it is not an
ethnic group such as Asians, Blacks, Japanese, etc. It is a sexual
lifestyle that is not created and ordained by God.
Doesn't exist.
Whole argument down the drain.
It had no argument in the first place.
Secondly, working within his putrid superstition-he's just
called his "God" a liar. The Xtian daemon deity isn't known
for having a sense of humour.
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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13 Jul 2004 04:40:33 PM |
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While LivingforJesus74202 was contemplating his or her navel in
news:WjRIc.14957$9f5.10507@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com,
<LivingforJesus74202@prodigy.com> he or she gave us all a good laugh with
the following...
This country was founded on biblical principles and morals.
But it was not founded on Christianity.
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Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence. - Richard Dawkins
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| User: "lensman1955" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
12 Jul 2004 10:43:58 PM |
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(har har) wrote in message news:<5e7c4a9f.0407120511.300c2350@posting.google.com>...
Whether we're pro or con, the often heard argument that a ban of
same-sex marriages constitutes discrimination of gay couples needs
rectification:
Two heterosexuals of the same sex are also not allowed to marry.
;-)
"The law is truly just. It forbids the rich and the poor from sleeping
under the bridge."
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| User: "Jonathan Swift" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
14 Jul 2004 07:15:59 AM |
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Denying homosexuals the right to marry is not discrimination, can my
neighbor legally marry his dog if that's "how he was made" the whole
issue is that people aren't homosexuals, people choose to commit
homosexual acts and live homosexual lifestyles, if they want to do
that, I say let them but don't let them trample over my society and
ruin my children's head's with disgusting immoral sexuality. I refuse
to pay taxes to a country that would support such evilness. This issue
is very important to me, it should be to everyone else but society has
corrupted a lot of people into accepting things like this, I mean
what's next I can't have a gun but if I am a child rapists its ok, the
government should feed me and tell me everything is ok, that something
isn't wrong with me, I don't think so. I just wish Americans would
step back and look at how far we have progressed towards a corrupt and
immoral country which will be destroyed from the inside by its own
people (extreme liberals). Now I say that only because it's the truth,
I don't care if you don't like bush, if your not for the war, but if
your doing everything in your power to re-write history and destroy
moral decency you deserve an accelerate flight to your after life,
….problem is most extreme liberals don't even believe in an afterlife,
I guess for them they will just devolve back into fungus and find the
light from within….who knows…I'd rather have a reasoning for life.
Oh yeah to the people who trashed me earlier, I don't actual write
columns for anyone, I just do that for fun, kind of a random freestyle
of writing about how I feel on an issue, hence why it isn't anywhere
close to a masterpiece, I don't even read over them, I just kinda
flow.
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
14 Jul 2004 01:03:34 PM |
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"Jonathan Swift" <swift_83@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1675067a.0407140415.54b2a12d@posting.google.com...
Denying homosexuals the right to marry is not discrimination, can my
neighbor legally marry his dog if that's "how he was made"
We covered 'informed consent' in an earlier lesson. Pay attention in class.
[snip crap]
Oh yeah to the people who trashed me earlier, I don't actual write
columns for anyone,
We figured.
I just do that for fun, kind of a random freestyle
of writing about how I feel on an issue, hence why it isn't anywhere
close to a masterpiece, I don't even read over them,
Obviously.
I just kinda
flow.
Suitable for flushing.
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| User: "eCulture" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
10 Aug 2004 06:21:23 PM |
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(Jonathan Swift) wrote in
news:1675067a.0407140415.54b2a12d@posting.google.com:
Denying homosexuals the right to marry is not discrimination, can my
neighbor legally marry his dog if that's "how he was made"
Why do you keep mentioning beastiality with homosexuality> They are not
synonymous!
the whole
issue is that people aren't homosexuals, people choose to commit
homosexual acts and live homosexual lifestyles,
Boy, that statement is enough to show your ignorance!!! If that is true
then the opposite must also be true - people are not heterosexual and it's
a choice.
Did you choose to be attracted to men or are you attracted to no one and
the only reason you married or even engaged in any affair was for what you
were taught? I doubt it!
if they want to do
that, I say let them but don't let them trample over my society and
ruin my children's head's with disgusting immoral sexuality.
It's not just YOUR SOCIETY! What makes you think that you have soul rights
to all of creation and only YOU have rights under the Constitution? I also
have rights and am also a part of this society! One of my rights is to the
"Persuit of Happiness". How I live has no bearing on you! No more than if
someone in Alaska paints their house Neon Pink! I continually find it
interesting how some people want to deprive others of their freedoms in
America while other less free countries are more accepting.
So, let's have it your way! Everyone should live life the way YOU want them
to, Stalin!
I refuse
to pay taxes to a country that would support such evilness.
Well, then I guess you have just decided to forego your rights in a choice
to live in, perhaps, Cuba. That's a dictatorship too!
This issue
is very important to me, it should be to everyone else but society has
corrupted a lot of people into accepting things like this, I mean
what's next I can't have a gun but if I am a child rapists its ok, the
government should feed me and tell me everything is ok, that something
isn't wrong with me, I don't think so. I just wish Americans would
step back and look at how far we have progressed towards a corrupt and
immoral country which will be destroyed from the inside by its own
people (extreme liberals).
I take extreme offens to that statement! You see, I also see a great deal
of corruption but it is not from the "Extreme Liberals". I see corruption
in caring for other people! I see corruption in corporations who's only
goal is personal finances and stealing. I see corruption in Government lies
which send young men off to die for the same purposes. I see corruption in
selfishness. I see corruption in people taking advantage of others. I see
corruption of lobbyists. I see corruption all around but NEVER do I see
corruption in LOVE!!!!!
Now I say that only because it's the truth,
I don't care if you don't like bush, if your not for the war, but if
your doing everything in your power to re-write history and destroy
moral decency you deserve an accelerate flight to your after life,
….problem is most extreme liberals don't even believe in an afterlife,
Honey, check the first Amendment! Besides, how do you know what most
"Extreme Liberals" believe? How do you know that they do not believe in an
afterlife? it seems to me that if we were living in the time of Christ
people like you would have been the fearful Jews who condemned Jesus to
perish. I do not mean this as an attack. Just take a look.
Jesus walked among the sick, lame and the poor and preached to them. He
preached to the ones who needed help (like the liberals do). These were
peoples who were ostrasized by the Jewish elders who were corrupt with
greed (like corporations and government). They were pushed to the edge of
society and told that they were sick, depraved and punished by God for
sins. But along came Jesus who walked with these people and lived among
them. He loved them and brought God's salvation. The elders feared him for
this. Feared he would insight a rebellion with God's love against those who
had used him as a crutch to drink in Satan's wealth and overthrow their
authority. They feared change and a loss of power, so they killed Jesus.
I guess for them they will just devolve back into fungus and find the
light from within….who knows…I'd rather have a reasoning for life.
Reason for life? Yes, there definately is a reason for life!
Firstly, the scientific aproach to a Supreme Architect.As we begin to look
at items/elements of existence in their subatomic make-up this start to
change. Order is very chaotic and so very unreliable that anything is
possible. And we are actually finding spiritual links to science in this
realm.
Secondly, also from a scientific approach, just one day look around and try
to look at all the things that have purposeful design. e.g. buildings vs a
stone. You find the distinguishing makrers of order - intelligent design -
vs random - forces of chance. Now, do some reseach into DNA - the building
blocks of life - and you will start to find the same markers of Intelligent
Design.
Oh yeah to the people who trashed me earlier, I don't actual write
columns for anyone, I just do that for fun, kind of a random freestyle
of writing about how I feel on an issue, hence why it isn't anywhere
close to a masterpiece, I don't even read over them, I just kinda
flow.
After reading this last addendum I actually felt a connection to you. A
human side that IS actually caring, just not very exposed. It gives me the
impression that you are actually an artistic person with alot of emotion
but the bulk of this post tells me it's all coming out in fear. try not to
be so afraid. Look around with an open heart and with some love. Then form
an opinion. A hero is one who faces their fears and wins.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Ban on same-sex marriages isn't discrimination of gays |
14 Jul 2004 11:56:12 AM |
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In our last thrilling episode, (Jonathan Swift) was
pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on 14 Jul 2004 05:15:59 -0700 by
Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
Denying homosexuals the right to marry is not discrimination, can my
neighbor legally marry his dog if that's "how he was made"
Dogs cannot give legal consent. They cannot sign contracts. Please
keep the arguments to people who can legally marry under the law. All
we want is for gay adults to be able to marry the partners of their
choice.
the whole
issue is that people aren't homosexuals, people choose to commit
homosexual acts and live homosexual lifestyles,
Actually, we are gay and bi. Could you go out, right now, and get
sexually aroused by a member of the same sex? Could you get into bed
with this person and engage in sex acts? If the answer is no, then
you are straight.
A lifestyle is something like being a rabid baseball fan. I live the
Giants fan lifestyle. I go to games and hang out with fans. I follow
the team with great interest. I understand things like OPS and SLG.
Anybody can become a baseball fan. Anybody can stop being a baseball
fan.
It's different for sexual orientation.
if they want to do
that, I say let them but don't let them trample over my society and
ruin my children's head's with disgusting immoral sexuality. I refuse
to pay taxes to a country that would support such evilness.
*Our* society is based on the concept that all men are created equal.
Under *our* Constitution everyone has to have equal access to our
rights.
If you want to refuse to pay taxes, do so. you will be jailed and
your family will lose everything, but that's your choice.
This issue
is very important to me, it should be to everyone else but society has
corrupted a lot of people into accepting things like this, I mean
what's next I can't have a gun but if I am a child rapists its ok,
Your right to own a firearm is in the Constitution. Since children
cannot give consent, it's not ok, it's a felony that I think should be
punished by death.
the
government should feed me and tell me everything is ok, that something
isn't wrong with me, I don't think so. I just wish Americans would
step back and look at how far we have progressed towards a corrupt and
immoral country which will be destroyed from the inside by its own
people (extreme liberals).
Extreme liberals founded this nation.
Now I say that only because it's the truth,
Not really.
I don't care if you don't like bush, if your not for the war, but if
your doing everything in your power to re-write history and destroy
moral decency you deserve an accelerate flight to your after life,
….problem is most extreme liberals don't even believe in an afterlife,
I guess for them they will just devolve back into fungus and find the
light from within….who knows…I'd rather have a reasoning for life.
Then find one. My reason for living is to make people smile. That's
it. If I make one person smile each day, I've done my job. Simple as
that.
Oh yeah to the people who trashed me earlier, I don't actual write
columns for anyone, I just do that for fun, kind of a random freestyle
of writing about how I feel on an issue, hence why it isn't anywhere
close to a masterpiece, I don't even read over them, I just kinda
flow.
Then you're a lousy writer, and bearing false witness to boot.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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