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06 Jun 2005 11:24:58 PM |
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Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells customers
to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C, news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment histories --
have been lost.
Citigroup, which is based in New York, said the tapes were lost by the
courier UPS (UPS, news, msgs) in transit to a credit bureau.
The bank said the tapes contained information about both active and
closed accounts at CitiFinancial's branch network. It said they did
not contain information from CitiFinancial Auto, CitiFinancial
Mortgage or any other Citigroup business.
The statement said that CitiFinancial "had no reason to believe that
this information has been used inappropriately, nor has it received
any reports of unauthorized activity."
Norman Black, a spokesman for Atlanta-based UPS, confirmed that the
tapes were missing.
"Despite an exhaustive search for this package, we've been unable to
find it," Black said.
The breaches continue
It was the latest in a series of data losses or breaches that have
forced financial institutions and other data collectors to warn
customers that their personal information may be at risk.
Last month, media and entertainment company Time Warner Inc. said that
computer backup tapes containing data on 600,000 individuals were lost
by an outside data storage firm.
The data covered current and former employees going back to 1986, as
well as some of their dependents and beneficiaries, the company said.
It did not include personal data on Time Warner customers, the company
said.
Also in May, more than 100,000 customers of Wachovia Corp. and Bank of
America Corp., both headquartered in Charlotte, N.C., were notified
that their financial records may have been stolen by bank employees
and sold to collection agencies. And in April, Ameritrade Holding
Corp., a leading online discount broker, said it had informed some
200,000 current and former customers that a backup computer tape with
personal information had been lost.
Kevin Kessinger, executive vice president of Citigroup's Global
Consumer Group and president of Consumer Finance North America, told
The Associated Press that the tapes left CitiFinancial on May 2 and
were discovered missing on May 20.
Notification of customers was delayed at the request of the Secret
Service, which is investigating the loss of the tapes, he said.
Watch your accounts
Kessinger said the bank's letter encouraged consumers to review
activity on all their accounts to make sure nothing suspicious was
occurring. He said CitiFinancial also was arranging for all affected
customers to sign up free of charge with a credit monitoring service
for 90 days. And, he said, if a customer is victimized, they will get
free help from Citigroup's Identity Theft resolution service.
"Clearly we regret that this happened with our customers," Kessinger
said. "We're trying to be upfront -- to communicate and to talk about
what the issues are."
CitiFinancial said in its statement that the data loss "occurred in
spite of the enhanced security procedures we require of our couriers."
It said there was little risk of the accounts being compromised
because most customers already had received their loans and that no
additional credit could be issued without the customers' approval.
Debby Hopkins, chief operations and technology officer for Citigroup,
said that the tapes were produced "in a sophisticated mainframe data
center environment" and would be difficult to decode without the right
equipment and special software.
Hopkins said that most Citigroup units send data electronically in
encrypted form and that CitiFinancial data will be sent that way
starting in July.
©2005 Associated Press
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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07 Jun 2005 08:25:37 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup
(C, news, msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying
some 3.9 million U.S. customers that computer tapes
containing information about their accounts -- including
Social Security numbers and payment histories --
have been lost.
Tapes?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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08 Jun 2005 08:13:54 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in news:sOydnVRUe7Jx2zvfRVn-
sg@comcast.com:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup
(C, news, msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying
some 3.9 million U.S. customers that computer tapes
containing information about their accounts -- including
Social Security numbers and payment histories --
have been lost.
Tapes?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Yes tapes. Think DLT.
rj
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08 Jun 2005 08:48:18 AM |
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:13:54 -0500, R. Pierce Butler wrote
(in article <Xns966F53B84B183mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>):
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in news:sOydnVRUe7Jx2zvfRVn-
sg@comcast.com:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup
(C, news, msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying
some 3.9 million U.S. customers that computer tapes
containing information about their accounts -- including
Social Security numbers and payment histories --
have been lost.
Tapes?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Yes tapes. Think DLT.
Up to a bit over a year ago I used tape for back-up, I got an old tape back
up unit from a friend that used 8 gig cassettes, since it was a SCSI unit I
installed it into my Mac 8500, it was very handy. If my Mac G-4 Dual
processor had SCSI I would have hung onto the tape unit and installed it into
the new Mac. One of these days I have to locate a fire-wire version.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"I've heard myself say a lot of vocal things, but I've never heard myself
think." - Duke32
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
07 Jun 2005 11:00:28 PM |
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:25:37 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup
(C, news, msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying
some 3.9 million U.S. customers that computer tapes
containing information about their accounts -- including
Social Security numbers and payment histories --
have been lost.
Tapes?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Well, at least they didn't lose the punchcards.
--
zamboni #2139
BAAWA Assistant to the Vice-Administrator of Malevolence
EAC Tertiary Adjunct to the Dispenser of Obfuscation.
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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08 Jun 2005 08:19:08 AM |
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wrote in
news:b9rca153n2mgt39ldm7ond3dlg1b9lhp1l@4ax.com:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:25:37 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup
(C, news, msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying
some 3.9 million U.S. customers that computer tapes
containing information about their accounts -- including
Social Security numbers and payment histories --
have been lost.
Tapes?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Well, at least they didn't lose the punchcards.
I worked for a fairly well known university about 6 years ago and the IT
dept had so many punchcards left over that a few of the programmers picked
up a few boxes of them for their personal use. They were still using them
for scratch paper, book marks, etc.
rj
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Jun 2005 11:36:11 PM |
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:25:37 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup
(C, news, msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying
some 3.9 million U.S. customers that computer tapes
containing information about their accounts -- including
Social Security numbers and payment histories --
have been lost.
Tapes?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
That's what the article said. Surprisingly.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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07 Jun 2005 01:03:27 AM |
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In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells customers
to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C, news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment histories --
have been lost.
Citigroup, which is based in New York, said the tapes were lost by the
courier UPS (UPS, news, msgs) in transit to a credit bureau.
The bank said the tapes contained information about both active and
closed accounts at CitiFinancial's branch network. It said they did
not contain information from CitiFinancial Auto, CitiFinancial
Mortgage or any other Citigroup business.
The statement said that CitiFinancial "had no reason to believe that
this information has been used inappropriately, nor has it received
any reports of unauthorized activity."
Norman Black, a spokesman for Atlanta-based UPS, confirmed that the
tapes were missing.
"Despite an exhaustive search for this package, we've been unable to
find it," Black said.
The breaches continue
It was the latest in a series of data losses or breaches that have
forced financial institutions and other data collectors to warn
customers that their personal information may be at risk.
Last month, media and entertainment company Time Warner Inc. said that
computer backup tapes containing data on 600,000 individuals were lost
by an outside data storage firm.
The data covered current and former employees going back to 1986, as
well as some of their dependents and beneficiaries, the company said.
It did not include personal data on Time Warner customers, the company
said.
Also in May, more than 100,000 customers of Wachovia Corp. and Bank of
America Corp., both headquartered in Charlotte, N.C., were notified
that their financial records may have been stolen by bank employees
and sold to collection agencies. And in April, Ameritrade Holding
Corp., a leading online discount broker, said it had informed some
200,000 current and former customers that a backup computer tape with
personal information had been lost.
Kevin Kessinger, executive vice president of Citigroup's Global
Consumer Group and president of Consumer Finance North America, told
The Associated Press that the tapes left CitiFinancial on May 2 and
were discovered missing on May 20.
Notification of customers was delayed at the request of the Secret
Service, which is investigating the loss of the tapes, he said.
Watch your accounts
Kessinger said the bank's letter encouraged consumers to review
activity on all their accounts to make sure nothing suspicious was
occurring. He said CitiFinancial also was arranging for all affected
customers to sign up free of charge with a credit monitoring service
for 90 days. And, he said, if a customer is victimized, they will get
free help from Citigroup's Identity Theft resolution service.
"Clearly we regret that this happened with our customers," Kessinger
said. "We're trying to be upfront -- to communicate and to talk about
what the issues are."
CitiFinancial said in its statement that the data loss "occurred in
spite of the enhanced security procedures we require of our couriers."
It said there was little risk of the accounts being compromised
because most customers already had received their loans and that no
additional credit could be issued without the customers' approval.
Debby Hopkins, chief operations and technology officer for Citigroup,
said that the tapes were produced "in a sophisticated mainframe data
center environment" and would be difficult to decode without the right
equipment and special software.
Hopkins said that most Citigroup units send data electronically in
encrypted form and that CitiFinancial data will be sent that way
starting in July.
©2005 Associated Press
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before long we'll
be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying for everything with
cash.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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07 Jun 2005 08:28:47 PM |
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening,
These things have *always* happened. Well, physically
losing a "tape" in this day & age is kind of unusual, but
data is quite often "lost."
They don't very often make *****-ups known to the
public, but they happen.
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| User: "johac" |
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08 Jun 2005 12:46:39 AM |
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In article <YIWdnQTspN802jvfRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening,
These things have *always* happened. Well, physically
losing a "tape" in this day & age is kind of unusual, but
data is quite often "lost."
They don't very often make *****-ups known to the
public, but they happen.
Maybe the package just fell behind a file cabinet in some out of the way
UPS office, but the more one reads about all of the identity theft and
loss of data from other banks, electronic or otherwise and one can't
help being a little paranoid.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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07 Jun 2005 08:10:11 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005
@news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells customers
to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C, news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment histories --
have been lost.
Citigroup, which is based in New York, said the tapes were lost by the
courier UPS (UPS, news, msgs) in transit to a credit bureau.
The bank said the tapes contained information about both active and
closed accounts at CitiFinancial's branch network. It said they did
not contain information from CitiFinancial Auto, CitiFinancial
Mortgage or any other Citigroup business.
The statement said that CitiFinancial "had no reason to believe that
this information has been used inappropriately, nor has it received
any reports of unauthorized activity."
Norman Black, a spokesman for Atlanta-based UPS, confirmed that the
tapes were missing.
"Despite an exhaustive search for this package, we've been unable to
find it," Black said.
The breaches continue
It was the latest in a series of data losses or breaches that have
forced financial institutions and other data collectors to warn
customers that their personal information may be at risk.
Last month, media and entertainment company Time Warner Inc. said that
computer backup tapes containing data on 600,000 individuals were lost
by an outside data storage firm.
The data covered current and former employees going back to 1986, as
well as some of their dependents and beneficiaries, the company said.
It did not include personal data on Time Warner customers, the company
said.
Also in May, more than 100,000 customers of Wachovia Corp. and Bank of
America Corp., both headquartered in Charlotte, N.C., were notified
that their financial records may have been stolen by bank employees
and sold to collection agencies. And in April, Ameritrade Holding
Corp., a leading online discount broker, said it had informed some
200,000 current and former customers that a backup computer tape with
personal information had been lost.
Kevin Kessinger, executive vice president of Citigroup's Global
Consumer Group and president of Consumer Finance North America, told
The Associated Press that the tapes left CitiFinancial on May 2 and
were discovered missing on May 20.
Notification of customers was delayed at the request of the Secret
Service, which is investigating the loss of the tapes, he said.
Watch your accounts
Kessinger said the bank's letter encouraged consumers to review
activity on all their accounts to make sure nothing suspicious was
occurring. He said CitiFinancial also was arranging for all affected
customers to sign up free of charge with a credit monitoring service
for 90 days. And, he said, if a customer is victimized, they will get
free help from Citigroup's Identity Theft resolution service.
"Clearly we regret that this happened with our customers," Kessinger
said. "We're trying to be upfront -- to communicate and to talk about
what the issues are."
CitiFinancial said in its statement that the data loss "occurred in
spite of the enhanced security procedures we require of our couriers."
It said there was little risk of the accounts being compromised
because most customers already had received their loans and that no
additional credit could be issued without the customers' approval.
Debby Hopkins, chief operations and technology officer for Citigroup,
said that the tapes were produced "in a sophisticated mainframe data
center environment" and would be difficult to decode without the right
equipment and special software.
Hopkins said that most Citigroup units send data electronically in
encrypted form and that CitiFinancial data will be sent that way
starting in July.
©2005 Associated Press
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before long we'll
be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying for everything with
cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim that
would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another contract.
rj
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08 Jun 2005 12:48:32 AM |
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In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005
@news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells customers
to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C, news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment histories --
have been lost.
Citigroup, which is based in New York, said the tapes were lost by the
courier UPS (UPS, news, msgs) in transit to a credit bureau.
The bank said the tapes contained information about both active and
closed accounts at CitiFinancial's branch network. It said they did
not contain information from CitiFinancial Auto, CitiFinancial
Mortgage or any other Citigroup business.
The statement said that CitiFinancial "had no reason to believe that
this information has been used inappropriately, nor has it received
any reports of unauthorized activity."
Norman Black, a spokesman for Atlanta-based UPS, confirmed that the
tapes were missing.
"Despite an exhaustive search for this package, we've been unable to
find it," Black said.
The breaches continue
It was the latest in a series of data losses or breaches that have
forced financial institutions and other data collectors to warn
customers that their personal information may be at risk.
Last month, media and entertainment company Time Warner Inc. said that
computer backup tapes containing data on 600,000 individuals were lost
by an outside data storage firm.
The data covered current and former employees going back to 1986, as
well as some of their dependents and beneficiaries, the company said.
It did not include personal data on Time Warner customers, the company
said.
Also in May, more than 100,000 customers of Wachovia Corp. and Bank of
America Corp., both headquartered in Charlotte, N.C., were notified
that their financial records may have been stolen by bank employees
and sold to collection agencies. And in April, Ameritrade Holding
Corp., a leading online discount broker, said it had informed some
200,000 current and former customers that a backup computer tape with
personal information had been lost.
Kevin Kessinger, executive vice president of Citigroup's Global
Consumer Group and president of Consumer Finance North America, told
The Associated Press that the tapes left CitiFinancial on May 2 and
were discovered missing on May 20.
Notification of customers was delayed at the request of the Secret
Service, which is investigating the loss of the tapes, he said.
Watch your accounts
Kessinger said the bank's letter encouraged consumers to review
activity on all their accounts to make sure nothing suspicious was
occurring. He said CitiFinancial also was arranging for all affected
customers to sign up free of charge with a credit monitoring service
for 90 days. And, he said, if a customer is victimized, they will get
free help from Citigroup's Identity Theft resolution service.
"Clearly we regret that this happened with our customers," Kessinger
said. "We're trying to be upfront -- to communicate and to talk about
what the issues are."
CitiFinancial said in its statement that the data loss "occurred in
spite of the enhanced security procedures we require of our couriers."
It said there was little risk of the accounts being compromised
because most customers already had received their loans and that no
additional credit could be issued without the customers' approval.
Debby Hopkins, chief operations and technology officer for Citigroup,
said that the tapes were produced "in a sophisticated mainframe data
center environment" and would be difficult to decode without the right
equipment and special software.
Hopkins said that most Citigroup units send data electronically in
encrypted form and that CitiFinancial data will be sent that way
starting in July.
©2005 Associated Press
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before long we'll
be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying for everything with
cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim that
would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another contract.
rj
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would be
liable.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Jun 2005 11:35:00 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005
@news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells customers
to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C, news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment histories --
have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before long we'll
be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying for everything with
cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim that
would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would be
liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
11 Jun 2005 12:45:32 AM |
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In article <n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005
@news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells customers
to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C, news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment histories --
have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before long we'll
be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying for everything with
cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim that
would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would be
liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I suppose it is up to the sender to provide insurance. Doesn't make me
feel anymore secure about who is handling my money and data.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
12 Jun 2005 10:02:26 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:45:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005
@news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells customers
to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C, news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment histories --
have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before long we'll
be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying for everything with
cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim that
would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would be
liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I suppose it is up to the sender to provide insurance. Doesn't make me
feel anymore secure about who is handling my money and data.
Computers make it easier to steal and in greater amounts.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
12 Jun 2005 11:48:50 PM |
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In article <1ijoa1l054r3g9i69udu8jj6m84rqsb5bq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:45:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005
@news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells
customers
to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C, news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment histories
--
have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before long
we'll
be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying for everything
with
cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim that
would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would be
liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I suppose it is up to the sender to provide insurance. Doesn't make me
feel anymore secure about who is handling my money and data.
Computers make it easier to steal and in greater amounts.
According to one report on NPR, banks and other large financial
institutions often do send things by common carries because it is
believed to be safer than sending the data over the internet. It's
pretty hard for a casual thief to know what's in a package if it's not
labeled and only PO boxes are used as addresses. That is why the report
speculated that someone with inside information had to be involved.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
14 Jun 2005 07:35:07 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:48:50 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <1ijoa1l054r3g9i69udu8jj6m84rqsb5bq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:45:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005
@news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells
customers
to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C, news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment histories
--
have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before long
we'll
be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying for everything
with
cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim that
would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would be
liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I suppose it is up to the sender to provide insurance. Doesn't make me
feel anymore secure about who is handling my money and data.
Computers make it easier to steal and in greater amounts.
According to one report on NPR, banks and other large financial
institutions often do send things by common carries because it is
believed to be safer than sending the data over the internet. It's
pretty hard for a casual thief to know what's in a package if it's not
labeled and only PO boxes are used as addresses. That is why the report
speculated that someone with inside information had to be involved.
That's quite common. Quite a few CEO's have shown the way.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
14 Jun 2005 11:40:34 PM |
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In article <uqtua158rstfofc84rbvoqdhl5hcdk296r@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:48:50 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <1ijoa1l054r3g9i69udu8jj6m84rqsb5bq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:45:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005
@news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=6
583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were
on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells
customers
to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C,
news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment
histories
--
have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before long
we'll
be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying for everything
with
cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim
that
would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would be
liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I suppose it is up to the sender to provide insurance. Doesn't make me
feel anymore secure about who is handling my money and data.
Computers make it easier to steal and in greater amounts.
According to one report on NPR, banks and other large financial
institutions often do send things by common carries because it is
believed to be safer than sending the data over the internet. It's
pretty hard for a casual thief to know what's in a package if it's not
labeled and only PO boxes are used as addresses. That is why the report
speculated that someone with inside information had to be involved.
That's quite common. Quite a few CEO's have shown the way.
Gasp! A dishonest business man! I suppose next you'll be telling me that
out government lies! Except for the president. He disassembles.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
15 Jun 2005 08:44:44 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:40:34 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <uqtua158rstfofc84rbvoqdhl5hcdk296r@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:48:50 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <1ijoa1l054r3g9i69udu8jj6m84rqsb5bq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:45:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005
@news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=6
583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were
on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells
customers
to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C,
news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment
histories
--
have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before long
we'll
be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying for everything
with
cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim
that
would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would be
liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I suppose it is up to the sender to provide insurance. Doesn't make me
feel anymore secure about who is handling my money and data.
Computers make it easier to steal and in greater amounts.
According to one report on NPR, banks and other large financial
institutions often do send things by common carries because it is
believed to be safer than sending the data over the internet. It's
pretty hard for a casual thief to know what's in a package if it's not
labeled and only PO boxes are used as addresses. That is why the report
speculated that someone with inside information had to be involved.
That's quite common. Quite a few CEO's have shown the way.
Gasp! A dishonest business man!
Is all too common.
I suppose next you'll be telling me that
out government lies!
Like a rug.
Except for the president. He disassembles.
That one was never assembled in the first place.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
16 Jun 2005 12:00:52 AM |
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In article <94c0b19fodl1clq8tcise4s9pa6dmehvam@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:40:34 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <uqtua158rstfofc84rbvoqdhl5hcdk296r@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:48:50 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <1ijoa1l054r3g9i69udu8jj6m84rqsb5bq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:45:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005
@news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT
1=6
583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers
were
on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells
customers
to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C,
news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million
U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about
their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment
histories
--
have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before
long
we'll
be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying for
everything
with
cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance
claim
that
would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would
be
liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I suppose it is up to the sender to provide insurance. Doesn't make me
feel anymore secure about who is handling my money and data.
Computers make it easier to steal and in greater amounts.
According to one report on NPR, banks and other large financial
institutions often do send things by common carries because it is
believed to be safer than sending the data over the internet. It's
pretty hard for a casual thief to know what's in a package if it's not
labeled and only PO boxes are used as addresses. That is why the report
speculated that someone with inside information had to be involved.
That's quite common. Quite a few CEO's have shown the way.
Gasp! A dishonest business man!
Is all too common.
I suppose next you'll be telling me that
out government lies!
Like a rug.
Except for the president. He disassembles.
That one was never assembled in the first place.
I think that they did assemble him, but at the end they found a few
parts left over. Like a brain.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
12 Jun 2005 11:24:55 AM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:1ijoa1l054r3g9i69udu8jj6m84rqsb5bq@4ax.com:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:45:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005 @news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=
6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were
on their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells
customers to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C,
news, msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million
U.S. customers that computer tapes containing information about
their accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment
histories -- have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before
long we'll be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying
for everything with cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim
that would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another
contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would be
liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I suppose it is up to the sender to provide insurance. Doesn't make me
feel anymore secure about who is handling my money and data.
Computers make it easier to steal and in greater amounts.
And in many ways they make it harder. It is rather tough to stick up an
ATM.
rj
.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
12 Jun 2005 01:56:45 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:24:55 GMT in alt.atheism, R. Pierce Butler
("R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:1ijoa1l054r3g9i69udu8jj6m84rqsb5bq@4ax.com:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:45:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005 @news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=
6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were
on their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells
customers to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C,
news, msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million
U.S. customers that computer tapes containing information about
their accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment
histories -- have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before
long we'll be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying
for everything with cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim
that would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another
contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would be
liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I suppose it is up to the sender to provide insurance. Doesn't make me
feel anymore secure about who is handling my money and data.
Computers make it easier to steal and in greater amounts.
And in many ways they make it harder. It is rather tough to stick up an
ATM.
The traditional method around here is to use a bulldozer and a transit
van or a pickup truck.
.
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
12 Jun 2005 03:35:33 PM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
news:a91pa19hq2vv6htti1fhkv60c9asq3fl0n@4ax.com:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:24:55 GMT in alt.atheism, R. Pierce Butler
("R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:1ijoa1l054r3g9i69udu8jj6m84rqsb5bq@4ax.com:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:45:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005 @news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT
1= 6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers
were on their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial
tells customers to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C,
news, msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9
million U.S. customers that computer tapes containing
information about their accounts -- including Social Security
numbers and payment histories -- have been lost.
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Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before
long we'll be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying
for everything with cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance
claim that would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another
contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would
be liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I suppose it is up to the sender to provide insurance. Doesn't make me
feel anymore secure about who is handling my money and data.
Computers make it easier to steal and in greater amounts.
And in many ways they make it harder. It is rather tough to stick up an
ATM.
The traditional method around here is to use a bulldozer and a transit
van or a pickup truck.
That certainly is a costly way to do it. I can remmeber in the late
1980's a fellow was tried and convicted of holding up a bank with a
banana. Quick, easy, and cheap. Stealing a bulldozer requires a
non-insignificant amount of effort. Seems like overkill to me. One
would think that a large bobcat would be sufficient. Maybe I am a little
jaded. The smallest bulldozer I ever operated was a D6. It was a cute
little thing. The largest was a D8. Not that was an impressive bit of
machinery. We didn't have any D9 dozers at our location.
The other way to look at it is that the total of all of the unrecoverable
losses at a typical large bank are less than the rounding error on the
yearly fiancial report. But then again most companies' total worth are
less than that as well.
rj
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14 Jun 2005 07:31:37 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:24:55 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:1ijoa1l054r3g9i69udu8jj6m84rqsb5bq@4ax.com:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:45:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005 @news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=
6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were
on their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells
customers to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C,
news, msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million
U.S. customers that computer tapes containing information about
their accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment
histories -- have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before
long we'll be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying
for everything with cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim
that would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another
contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would be
liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I suppose it is up to the sender to provide insurance. Doesn't make me
feel anymore secure about who is handling my money and data.
Computers make it easier to steal and in greater amounts.
And in many ways they make it harder. It is rather tough to stick up an
ATM.
No need to go near the ATM, nab the customers exiting.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
14 Jun 2005 07:45:35 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:mltua1dqi8tikv5034476n4cu9pgb8c5dm@4ax.com:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:24:55 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:1ijoa1l054r3g9i69udu8jj6m84rqsb5bq@4ax.com:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:45:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005 @news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT
1= 6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers
were on their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial
tells customers to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C,
news, msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9
million U.S. customers that computer tapes containing
information about their accounts -- including Social Security
numbers and payment histories -- have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before
long we'll be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying
for everything with cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance
claim that would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another
contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would
be liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I suppose it is up to the sender to provide insurance. Doesn't make me
feel anymore secure about who is handling my money and data.
Computers make it easier to steal and in greater amounts.
And in many ways they make it harder. It is rather tough to stick up an
ATM.
No need to go near the ATM, nab the customers exiting.
That is about as cleaver as the ATM bandits that thought that if they put
lemon juice on their face the camera would not be able to record their
faces.
rj
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
15 Jun 2005 08:43:21 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 00:45:35 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:mltua1dqi8tikv5034476n4cu9pgb8c5dm@4ax.com:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:24:55 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:1ijoa1l054r3g9i69udu8jj6m84rqsb5bq@4ax.com:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:45:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005 @news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT
1= 6583
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers
were on their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial
tells customers to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C,
news, msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9
million U.S. customers that computer tapes containing
information about their accounts -- including Social Security
numbers and payment histories -- have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before
long we'll be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying
for everything with cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance
claim that would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another
contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would
be liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I suppose it is up to the sender to provide insurance. Doesn't make me
feel anymore secure about who is handling my money and data.
Computers make it easier to steal and in greater amounts.
And in many ways they make it harder. It is rather tough to stick up an
ATM.
No need to go near the ATM, nab the customers exiting.
That is about as cleaver as the ATM bandits that thought that if they put
lemon juice on their face the camera would not be able to record their
faces.
Axe's don't have much subtlety.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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10 Jun 2005 10:41:34 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005
@news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=658
3
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells
customers to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C, news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment histories
-- have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before long
we'll be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying for
everything with cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim
that would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would be
liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I think they may be bonded in this regard. Transportation of items of
great value is handled differently and charged differently. I once shipped
a small item worth about $50k and a supervisor and a driver arrived to
watch me pack the item.
rj
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data |
12 Jun 2005 10:00:46 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 03:41:34 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:n16ia15roel106o1sbr8omsjv5n7pjm29c@4ax.com:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:48:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns966E531C0E726mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in news:jhachm-AC0B8D.23032706062005
@news.giganews.com:
In article <n98aa1d5ijtkf12b2n1tcr89mgk5477fdj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P120179.asp?GT1=658
3
Extra
Bank loses 3.9 million customers' data
Tapes including payment histories, Social Security numbers were on
their way to a credit reporting bureau. CitiFinancial tells
customers to watch their accounts more closely.
By The Associated Press
CitiFinancial, the consumer finance division of Citigroup (C, news,
msgs), said Monday it had begun notifying some 3.9 million U.S.
customers that computer tapes containing information about their
accounts -- including Social Security numbers and payment histories
-- have been lost.
[]
Crap! At the rate that things like this are happening, before long
we'll be keeping our money in our mattresses and paying for
everything with cash.
UPS was handling that data. I wonder what kind of insurance claim
that would be like. I think UPS may have just lost another contract.
If this does result in problems, I wonder to what extent UPS would be
liable.
AFAIK, to the extent of what they charged for their services.
I think they may be bonded in this regard. Transportation of items of
great value is handled differently and charged differently. I once shipped
a small item worth about $50k and a supervisor and a driver arrived to
watch me pack the item.
Thank you.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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