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"Yang, AthD \h.c." |
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05 Apr 2004 08:56:22 PM |
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Bank of America Lays of 12,500. NeoCons Rejoice |
http://sanantonio.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2004/04/05/daily10.html
Charlotte Business Journal
Bank of America Corp. has notified employees it plans to cut 12,500 jobs to
trim expenses following its merger with FleetBoston Financial Corp.
The bank says 30 percent of the cuts will be the result of attrition.
The cuts will take place over the next two years and affected employees will
be provided outplacement services, extended benefits and severance pay.
The cuts amount to about 7 percent of the combined banks' 180,000-employee
work force. The number of people employed by Bank of America in San Antonio
was not immediately available.
"When we discuss job reductions, we are talking about positions, not
necessarily people," says Marc Oken, BofA chief financial officer, who is
handling the merger transition. "As a large employer, we will continue to
create jobs over time. These are difficult decisions and we are committed to
supporting our associates during this time."
BofA committed to maintaining overall employment levels in New England as an
inducement for Fleet to agree to the $48 billion merger.
In the near-term, employment levels in the region will drop, but this will
be mitigated through job creation, BofA says. Job growth will occur around
several units based in Boston, new operations being extended into the
market, and growth in consumer-banking locations in the region, BofA says.
Early Monday, BofA Chief Executive Ken Lewis publicly discussed for the
first time specific numbers on planned cuts, telling Bloomberg News the bank
would reduce its work force by 11,000 to 13,000 jobs.
They will include support staff, and may include areas where BofA and Fleet
business units overlap, Lewis told the news agency.
Lewis has targeted $1.6 billion of cost savings from the merger.
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| User: "Who Cares!" |
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| Title: Re: Bank of America Lays of 12,500. NeoCons Rejoice |
05 Apr 2004 11:10:16 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c.)" <eacmole@AWOLBushmail.com> wrote in message
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http://sanantonio.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2004/04/05/daily10.html
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| Charlotte Business Journal
| Bank of America Corp. has notified employees it plans to cut 12,500
jobs to
| trim expenses following its merger with FleetBoston Financial Corp.
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| The bank says 30 percent of the cuts will be the result of
attrition.
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| The cuts will take place over the next two years and affected
employees will
| be provided outplacement services, extended benefits and severance
pay.
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| The cuts amount to about 7 percent of the combined banks'
180,000-employee
| work force. The number of people employed by Bank of America in San
Antonio
| was not immediately available.
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| "When we discuss job reductions, we are talking about positions, not
| necessarily people," says Marc Oken, BofA chief financial officer,
who is
| handling the merger transition. "As a large employer, we will
continue to
| create jobs over time. These are difficult decisions and we are
committed to
| supporting our associates during this time."
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| BofA committed to maintaining overall employment levels in New
England as an
| inducement for Fleet to agree to the $48 billion merger.
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| In the near-term, employment levels in the region will drop, but
this will
| be mitigated through job creation, BofA says. Job growth will occur
around
| several units based in Boston, new operations being extended into
the
| market, and growth in consumer-banking locations in the region, BofA
says.
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| Early Monday, BofA Chief Executive Ken Lewis publicly discussed for
the
| first time specific numbers on planned cuts, telling Bloomberg News
the bank
| would reduce its work force by 11,000 to 13,000 jobs.
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| They will include support staff, and may include areas where BofA
and Fleet
| business units overlap, Lewis told the news agency.
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| Lewis has targeted $1.6 billion of cost savings from the merger.
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| Yang
Sounds like a wise business decision to me. They will cut 30% due to
attrition, provide outplacement services for people that are displaced
and attempt to re-assign people to new openings caused by growth.
What's your gripe?
But then again,
Who Cares!
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Bank of America Lays of 12,500. NeoCons Rejoice |
06 Apr 2004 07:28:29 AM |
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"Who Cares!" <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote
Sounds like a wise business decision to me.
It's how mergers make money.
Two companies merge and they get rid of the over-lap.
Mergers have *Always* been bad for the job market.
They will cut 30% due to attrition,
Which amounts to about 2% of their workforce, with another
5% being laid off.
provide outplacement services for people that are
displaced
Have you ever "Benefited" from such "outplacement"?
It amounts to a class on resume writing, together with some oh
so useful tips. Like, well, like "network as much as you can."
and attempt to re-assign people to new openings caused by
growth.
I know when Fleet bought up the bank that I worked for, they
attempted to "re-assign" me to a different state.
What's your gripe?
About 5% of a 180,000 person workforce is about to be laid
off during a "Jobless Recovery." That's the gripe, *****.
And that's assuming that Bank of America's public relations
people ARE NOT trying to put the "Best Face" on things, and
these really are the worst-case scenario figures.
Fat chance.
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| User: "Salad" |
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| Title: Re: Bank of America Lays of 12,500. NeoCons Rejoice |
06 Apr 2004 08:36:45 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Who Cares!" <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote
Sounds like a wise business decision to me.
It's how mergers make money.
Two companies merge and they get rid of the over-lap.
Mergers have *Always* been bad for the job market.
They will cut 30% due to attrition,
Which amounts to about 2% of their workforce, with another
5% being laid off.
provide outplacement services for people that are
displaced
Have you ever "Benefited" from such "outplacement"?
It amounts to a class on resume writing, together with some oh
so useful tips. Like, well, like "network as much as you can."
and attempt to re-assign people to new openings caused by
growth.
I know when Fleet bought up the bank that I worked for, they
attempted to "re-assign" me to a different state.
What's your gripe?
About 5% of a 180,000 person workforce is about to be laid
off during a "Jobless Recovery." That's the gripe, *****.
And that's assuming that Bank of America's public relations
people ARE NOT trying to put the "Best Face" on things, and
these really are the worst-case scenario figures.
Fat chance.
My friend in Charlotte says BOA is making banner amounts of profits.
Some of that came by sending over half their IT department overseas centers.
BOA could start an ad campain. Something on the order of "Shedding jobs
is smart business"
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Bank of America Lays of 12,500. NeoCons Rejoice |
06 Apr 2004 01:32:35 PM |
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"Salad" <oil@vinegar.com> wrote
My friend in Charlotte says BOA is making banner
amounts of profits. Some of that came by sending
over half their IT department overseas centers.
They already announced that they were shipping 1,000
jobs overseas. Lou Dobbs brought it up on his "Outsourcing
America" segment.
BOA could start an ad campain. Something on the order
of "Shedding jobs is smart business"
First it was manufacturing jobs, now it's service & support
jobs, the retail jobs aren't far behind.
How can they export retail jobs?
The web. As long as they're selling over the web, there's no
need for that web site to be on an American server, or the
people filling those orders to be in America.
They already manufacture, sell & service from overseas. Might
as well warehouse & ship from overseas.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Bank of America Lays of 12,500. NeoCons Rejoice |
06 Apr 2004 08:16:45 AM |
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"Who Cares!" wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c.)" <eacmole@AWOLBushmail.com> wrote in message
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http://sanantonio.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2004/04/05/daily10.html
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| Charlotte Business Journal
| Bank of America Corp. has notified employees it plans to cut 12,500
jobs to
| trim expenses following its merger with FleetBoston Financial Corp.
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| The bank says 30 percent of the cuts will be the result of
attrition.
Sounds like a wise business decision to me. They will cut 30% due to
attrition, provide outplacement services for people that are displaced
and attempt to re-assign people to new openings caused by growth.
What's your gripe?
Reread the post, and do make an effort at comprehension.
Thirty percent of the 12,500 jobs being cut, or 3,750 jobs, will be cut through
attrition. That means that 8,750 jobs will be cut through layoffs.
But Bush says this is good for America, so it must be true.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Boris" |
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| Title: Re: Bank of America Lays of 12,500. NeoCons Rejoice |
06 Apr 2004 04:18:23 PM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message > Thirty percent of
the 12,500 jobs being cut, or 3,750 jobs, will be cut through
attrition. That means that 8,750 jobs will be cut through layoffs.
But Bush says this is good for America, so it must be true.
What is true is that it you don't bother to get an education or a skill
in a marketable area don't expect the rest of us to give a damm about
you.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "slim" |
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| Title: Re: Bank of America Lays of 12,500. NeoCons Rejoice |
08 Apr 2004 05:46:11 PM |
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Boris wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message > Thirty percent of
the 12,500 jobs being cut, or 3,750 jobs, will be cut through
attrition. That means that 8,750 jobs will be cut through layoffs.
But Bush says this is good for America, so it must be true.
What is true is that it you don't bother to get an education or a skill
in a marketable area don't expect the rest of us to give a damm about
you.
The Bu$HITes are selling America out.
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http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
VOTE HIM OUT! November 4, 2004
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Bank of America Lays of 12,500. NeoCons Rejoice |
07 Apr 2004 08:36:20 AM |
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Boris wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message > Thirty percent of
the 12,500 jobs being cut, or 3,750 jobs, will be cut through
attrition. That means that 8,750 jobs will be cut through layoffs.
But Bush says this is good for America, so it must be true.
What is true is that it you don't bother to get an education or a skill
in a marketable area don't expect the rest of us to give a damm about
you.
So you don't think that being chief computer programmer for a fairly large
and very successful financial services corporation is NOT a marketable
skill? A college degree in mathematics is insufficient education for you?
Please, certainly you can come up with better ad hominem attacks than that!
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Boris" |
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| Title: Re: Bank of America Lays of 12,500. NeoCons Rejoice |
07 Apr 2004 11:08:13 AM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
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What is true is that it you don't bother to get an education or a
skill
in a marketable area don't expect the rest of us to give a damm
about
you.
So you don't think that being chief computer programmer for a fairly
large
and very successful financial services corporation is NOT a marketable
skill? A college degree in mathematics is insufficient education for
you?
Not at all. The paper I get has several jobs for people like you. The
internet has quite a bit more. I don't see why you don't have a job. I'm
an old guy, who don't work and only graduated High School, but I can get
a job tommorow paying $100 cash (Skill oriented). I'm too lazy to do so,
but I've been offered many times. I do enevy your education and skills.
I don't know you well enough to know why your not putting them to work
for you or you didn't network with others in your field level.
Please, certainly you can come up with better ad hominem attacks than
that!
BTW, that wasn't an attack. That was stating a fact.
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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| Title: Re: Bank of America Lays of 12,500. NeoCons Rejoice |
06 Apr 2004 08:18:44 PM |
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In article <A8Fcc.13$xV1.3@fed1read06>, "Boris" <Boris4321@yahoo.com> wrote:
-"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message > Thirty percent of
-the 12,500 jobs being cut, or 3,750 jobs, will be cut through
-> attrition. That means that 8,750 jobs will be cut through layoffs.
->
-> But Bush says this is good for America, so it must be true.
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-What is true is that it you don't bother to get an education or a skill
-in a marketable area don't expect the rest of us to give a damm about
-you.
-And why do you assime that people who are laid off have neither an
education, nor a skill?
Why do you despise your fellow Americans so much?
Mathhew 25: :41 ³Then he (Jesus) will say to those on his left,
ŒDepart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for
the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to
eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger
and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me,
I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.¹
And then you average American conservative will answer:
"it you din't bother to get an education or a skill in a marketable area
why did you expect the rest of us to give a damm about you?"
:46 ³Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the
righteous to eternal life.²
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| User: "Who Cares!" |
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| Title: Re: Bank of America Lays of 12,500. NeoCons Rejoice |
06 Apr 2004 11:49:03 PM |
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"Ninure Saunders" <RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk> wrote
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| In article <A8Fcc.13$xV1.3@fed1read06>, "Boris"
<Boris4321@yahoo.com> wrote:
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| -"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message > Thirty
percent of
| -the 12,500 jobs being cut, or 3,750 jobs, will be cut through
| -> attrition. That means that 8,750 jobs will be cut through
layoffs.
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| -> But Bush says this is good for America, so it must be true.
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| -What is true is that it you don't bother to get an education or a
skill
| -in a marketable area don't expect the rest of us to give a damm
about
| -you.
| -And why do you assime that people who are laid off have neither an
| education, nor a skill?
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| Why do you despise your fellow Americans so much?
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| Mathhew 25: :41 ³Then he (Jesus) will say to those on his left,
| ŒDepart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared
for
| the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me
nothing to
| eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a
stranger
| and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not
clothe me,
| I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.¹
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| And then you average American conservative will answer:
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| "it you din't bother to get an education or a skill in a marketable
area
| why did you expect the rest of us to give a damm about you?"
The average American conservative I know would say "Here, eat this
while we look throught options to get you the education you need so
that you can have your pride and dignity restored when you get the
skills necessary to get a job and support yourself - you know, that
pride and dignity that was stripped away by years of welfare and being
told that you were inferior and needed government assistence to
survive; you were incapable of doing it on your own"
But then again,
Who Cares!
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| User: "Yang, AthD \h.c." |
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| Title: Re: Bank of America Lays of 12,500. NeoCons Rejoice |
07 Apr 2004 02:51:42 AM |
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"Who Cares!" <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote in message
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The average American conservative I know would say "Here, eat this
while we look throught options to get you the education you need so
that you can have your pride and dignity restored when you get the
skills necessary to get a job and support yourself - you know, that
pride and dignity that was stripped away by years of welfare and being
told that you were inferior and needed government assistence to
survive; you were incapable of doing it on your own"
Actually, the average American NeoCon, given their actions, say: "Here,
starve while you look over your options"
Yang
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| Title: CONSERVATIVES VS. LIBERALS: THE NATURE OF THE LIBERAL CALLED "Yang, AthD (h.c.)" |
05 Apr 2004 11:10:49 PM |
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CONSERVATIVES VS. LIBERALS: THE NATURE OF THE LIBERAL CALLED "Yang,
AthD (h.c.)"
It all began a hundred thousand years ago on a ledge in front of a
cave. A liberal male homosexual walked by, attracting the attention of
another liberal male homosexual. The one liberal male homosexual
stepped forward and smacked the other liberal homosexual over the head
with his club. WHACK! He then dragged the unconscious other liberal
homosexual into his cave for several hours of anal, and oral sex. Next
thing you know, AIDS is invented!
One day there were two liberals standing in front of a cave trying to
figure out how to steal their neighbors pig when a female walked by.
The first liberal raised his arm to club the female. The female
communicated to him that he was a dirty and smelly liberal that needed
to take a bath. The female made it very clear that she did not want
any liberal to touch any part of her body. WHACK! WHACK! One of the
dirty smelly liberals hit the woman over the head with his club. And
then both liberals proceeded to gang rape her.
Things didn't change much for thousands of years until the advent of
projectile weapons. This was first symbolized by the liberal corner
drug dealer, where the big strong liberal brute, strung out on PCP,
was laid flat by the small liberal crack dealer who shoots him with a
stolen 357 magnum. Once liberal brute strength was no longer the
controlling factor in social interaction, liberal ideas slowly started
to fester in human culture, and civilization began to deteriorate.
Throughout human history, the price for advocating conservative
tolerance and progressive change has been paid for in threats,
beatings, excommunication, incarceration, torture, murder,
assassination, and execution. Countless liberals have caused
civilization to pay the ultimate price, for their inhumanity. John F.
Kennedy, and Bill Clinton are two of the more famous of liberals in
high places that have been found out to have committed sex crimes
while serving as president.
Today there are many liberals - individuals, groups, and nations - who
use threats and violence to silence the voices of conservative reason,
tolerance, and progress. Here in America it is seen in liberal racists
and homosexuals, Black Panthers and gays who spread AIDS just for the
fun of it, for money and out of anger generated by interactive cause,
and because of religious or racial intolerance and liberal bigotry.
Alan Berg, on talk radio, was a liberal that loved to stir up trouble
any way possible. Then Alan Berg was found dead outside of the
building he lived in. Obviously the result of a drug deal gone bad.
Liberals are well known for shooting each other during drug deals.
David Rice is a liberal on death row in Washington State who has no
remorse whatsoever for entering the home of a family of four and
carving out their living hearts only because he heard they had money
that he wanted to buy drugs with.
At Ruby Ridge, a liberal controlled FBI shot a woman, holding a baby,
in the back of the head.
In 1993, in Waco, Texas, liberal Janet Reno sent liberal controlled
federal troops into a compound to set fires and kill hundreds of women
and children.
The most abominable atrocity in several decades is the 9/11 terrorist
attacks upon America. Thousands of innocent civilians were murdered.
The perpetrator, the liberal Osama Bin Laden and the liberal al
Qaeda-Taliban terrorists, epitomize the left-wing mentality of causing
death and destruction everywhere possible. Liberals are still trying
to defend Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda terrorists by protesting our
military people who are trying to get rid of the terrorist threat to
America.
Arguing that such horrendous crimes are not political in nature or
that they are not done primarily by liberals is utter nonsense. All we
have to do is to look back at all of the liberal atrocities throughout
history as seen below:
Who nailed who to a cross?
Roman Soldiers nailed Conservative Christ to a cross.
Who were the Loyalists to the totalitarian monarchy of King George?
The liberal colonists of what is now the United States of America. The
Conservatives took up guns, and then chased the British out of America
with those guns while the liberals were all crying for more gun
control laws.
Who started our Civil War to defend slavery?
Abraham Lincoln, a conservative Republican, came to the aid of the
slaves. The southern liberals wanted to keep black people as slaves.
But it was a northern conservative Republican who freed them.
Who fought to keep women as property, and now fights their sovereignty
over their own bodies in the freedom to choose abortion?
Liberals love to kill everything, including unborn babies. Liberals
are very sick people.
Who fought against child labor statutes?
Liberals are all for labor unions that would have everyone paying dues
to an organization that is rife with crime and corruption, just like
the Clinton family.
Who fought against the concept of free public education?
Liberals want everyone else to pay for everything that they do.
Liberals feel that they should not have to work for anything at all
when they can make someone else pay for it.
Who fought against the right of women to vote?
Liberals do not want anyone to vote for anyone who is not a liberal.
Who fought against anti-trust and anti-monopoly legislation?
Conservative Republican Teddy Roosevelt.
Who fought against workers organizing?
Liberals feel that workers should organize in order to try to extort
more money out of employers.
Who fought against government controls on manufacturers of cars
"unsafe at any speed?"
The same liberal idiot ( Ralph Nader ) that nobody pays attention to
forty years later. The Chevrolet Corvair is not much different than
any modern car. The Chevrolet Corvair was way ahead of its time. But a
stupid liberal, of that time, wanted everyone to drive huge hulking
cars that weighed in at about 2 tons each. Now liberals want all of us
to drive electric cars that are not practical either.
Who killed several thousand innocent civilians in the 9/11 terrorist
attacks?
William Jefferson Clinton! Because Billy Clinton had a perfect chance
to get Osama bin Laden and decided to forget about it, because he felt
that getting a ***** from Monica Lewinsky was more important.
Who started WW2, murdered 13 million and caused the death of 40
million more?
European liberals decided that Adolph Hitler was not a problem during
the late thirties. So liberals just decided to looked the other way
when he decided to start gassing the Jewish people.
Who defended Jim Crow for a hundred years?
The liberals still believe in the Jim Crow laws because all liberals
believe that all black people belong on welfare. Liberals believe that
black people are not capable of taking of taking care of themselves.
Who fought against voting rights, civil rights, social security,
health care for the elderly, and minimum wages?
The liberals believe that everything should be controlled by one huge
government where the people have nothing to say about anything.
Who fights against environmental protection statutes?
The liberals believe that we should all drive electric cars, but are
too stupid to think about where to get the energy from ( Coal?
Nuclear? Water Dam? ) that would be used to charge the batteries with.
And if it’s hydrogen, then where to get it from in a manor that does
not destroy the planet.
Who opposes equal rights for gays and other free-lifestyle minorities?
Liberals believe that it is normal for a man to insert his penis into
another mans rectum for the purpose of sex. Bill Clinton believes that
it is normal, for him, to insert a cigar into a girl’s vagina in order
to have sex. Liberals believe that it is normal for grownups to have
sex with children. The ACLU has come to the defense of NAMBLA for
proof of this one.
Who cruelly opposes physician-assisted dying for suffering, terminally
ill patients soon to die anyway?
The same people that oppose the killing of babies.
Who is sabotaging the separation of Church and State, and all our
other Constitutional rights, freedoms, and protections?
The same liberals that believe that the Second Amendment should be
removed from the United States Constitution.
Who are the hypocrites forcing their inhibitions and prohibitions on
ALL Americans via legislation and draconian, police-state enforcement
practices?
The same liberals that believe that the government should assume
people are guilty of something before they buy a gun. So the liberals
want the government to do background checks on law abiding people
before they buy a gun. But liberal criminal’s never bother with
background checks.
Who always puts personal gain above the common good?
Liberals always put personal gain above all else. That is why liberals
believe that everyone else should pay into taxes to foot their welfare
checks.
CONSERVATIVES OR LIBERALS?
The historic, undeniable truth is that these evils are THE NATURE OF
THE LIBERAL MORON!
Liberals have distorted and demonized the world. The true conservative
is favoring progressive change, humanistic values, and opposition to
authoritarianism. Conservatives can see liberal governmental waste and
tolerance of criminality. Liberals are guilty of abuses such as
massive welfare programs for lazy people and taxing companies until
they are out of business. Liberals believe in fraud against the public
that pays for their welfare checks, and other crimes. Conservatives
are all for change for the better and progress. Liberals only believe
in the motto: "what's in it for me?"
At the core of liberalism is the Clinton family - the despotic
practitioners of "sexual perversion makes me feel right," craving
wealth and corrupt power, and willing to use any and all means to get
them. Liberalism is the philosophy of William Jefferson Clinton
wearing no pants, and playing with his erect penis.
AND THE CLINTON FAMILY HAS TRIED TO DESTROY OUR EARTH!
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<sbip gate-filled, slanderous, lying screed by yet another example of
Coservative moality>
(It is truly amazing how conservatives post such bovine droppings , yet
do not have the courage to stand and take the heat foe the bile they
spew.)
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| Title: The Politically Correct Leftwing Liberal Handbook For "Yang, AthD (h.c.)." |
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The Politically Correct Leftwing Liberal Handbook For "Yang, AthD
(h.c.)."
1. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of
federal funding.
2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th
graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids
about sex.
3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans
are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands
of Chinese and North Korean communists.
4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.
5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected
by soccer moms driving SUVs.
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial, but being
homosexual is natural.
7. You have to be against capital punishment for criminals, even
murderers, but support abortion on demand.
8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression, and
governments create prosperity.
9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.
10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than
actually doing something to earn it.
11. You have to believe that the military, not politicians, start
wars.
12. You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports
certain parts of the Constitution.
13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too
high.
14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are
more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert
E.Lee and Thomas Edison.
15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides are not.
16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal, and really a
very nice person.
17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people haven't been in
charge.
18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in
jail, but a draft-dodging liar and sex offender belonged in the White
House.
19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,
transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and
manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the
Chinese government is somehow in the best interests of the United
States.
21. You have to refuse to discuss the issues in a rational manner and
whenever someone attempts to do so, throw a 3 ring tantrum, rant and
rave, go into a lunatic rage and outshout them (preferably with
profanity and name-calling) and stick to personal slurs, smear
tactics, slander and building strawmen so you can knock down the
strawmen (oops, sorry, strawpersons) and hopefully sidetrack the
conversation away from your lack of ability to support your position.
22. You must always ignore the message and attack the messenger. When
stuck, remember the tactic that won't reveal your inability to think
or say anything original: smugly change a couple of your adversaries
words' and repeat their comments back to them verbatim and even if it
isn't true, by all means always
be sure to accuse your opponents of using the very tactics the
Leftwing Liberals try to hide, remembering all the while that Lenin
would be proud.
23. No matter how credible a source may be - always do your Leftwing
Liberal duty and rabidly claim it's been debunked and discredited and
call anyone who believes it "mean spirited", crazy, a Nazi or any
other of the monikers from the Leftwing Liberal grab bag of infantile
epithets and sarcastic sobriquets.
24. Whenever demonstrated facts don't agree with your agenda, twist
them and mangle them until you can make them fit into your prejudices,
the media will assist you greatly.
25. Once you've told a lie or slandered someone, be sure to repeat it
as often as possible until it becomes true. "Members and front
organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and degrade our
critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them as
fascist, or Nazi or anti-Semitic .... The association will, after
enough repetition, become "fact" in the public mind." [ ~ Communist
Party, Moscow Central Committee, 1943]
26. You have to believe that all spirituality and all religions except
Islam are bad.
27. You have to use the following buzzwords as often as possible:
"Nazi", "Hitler", "Gestapo", "police state", "totalitarian state",
"imperialism", "imperialist", "greedy corporations", "shrub",
"fascist", "paranoid", "goose-stepping", "ruling-class",
"class-strife", "class warfare", "stolen election", "racist",
"entitlements", "hate", "bourgeois" or better yet, "petty bourgeois",
"counter-revolutionary", "progressive", "red-baiter",
"anti-Communist", "deviationist", "revisionist", "reactionary",
"multiculturalism", "oppressed", "victims of Yankee oppression",
"plight of the [fill in the blank] people", "mean-spirited",
"McCarthyism", "jingoism", "flag-wavers", "neocons" and, of course,
overuse of the indispensable "F"
word.
28. You have to believe that there were never any weapons of mass
destruction in Iraq, even though they were used against Iran, the
Kurds and the the Iraqi people and even though the many Democrats
warned us about WMD before the Iraqi invasion: William Jefferson
Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Sandy Berger, Madeline Albright, Senators
Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, Robert Byrd, Jay Rockefeller, John Kerry, Bob
Graham, Ted Kennedy, Representatives Nancy Pelosi and Henry Waxman and
vice-president Al Gore to name only the most vociferous.
29. You have to be a purveyor of perennial pessimism and a dispatcher
of doomsday gloom and hyperbolic hysteria whenever you can work some
scare tactics into the foreboding warnings of eventual catastrophe at
the hands of your adversaries, i.e. people who disagree with you.
30. Whenever possible, if you hear or read something that seems quite
logical and might influence someone against the Leftwing Liberal
viewpoint, be sure to pounce on the exception or some tiny,
inconsequential irrelevancy, such as the misspelling, poor punctuation
or mispronunciation of a word, unusual facial expression, article of
clothing or some morsel of arcane trivia or irrelevant minutia in an
attempt to derail the conversation into petty bickering replete with
name-calling and personal slurs. [Use of the "F" word
is particularly effective, especially when combined with prepubescent
profanity and puerile posturing.]
31. Always have unkind and accusatory slurs cocked and ready to use
regarding any armed forces personnel, especially military people in
harm's way other than your own candidates, sell-outs, turncoats,
traitors and those who are guilty of or advocate treason.
32. When your adversary presents a particularly damning discovery,
pervert it, twist it around, fabricate something out of thin air and
accuse him of something he didn't say, falsely attribute your
invention to him and then proceed to argue against your own creation
with the hope nobody will notice. This is best done by beginning your
remarks with "in other words" or "so what you are suggesting" or "are
you saying that..." followed by the most implausible, irrelevant non
sequitur you can fantasize.
33. You have to remember that nobody but your adversaries, real or
imagined are ever to blame for anything and no one should ever be
accountable or held responsible for their words or actions - they're
just misunderstood.
34. You have to be a victim of as many forms of melodrama as possible
and be ever vigilant to promote victimization of almost anything and
anyone although that's very difficult to reconcile with the assertion
that nobody's to blame for anything, except the people who don't agree
with you.
35. You must always have Double Standards, a higher standard that you
demand of corporations as well as people you don't like and people who
don't agree with you and another set for yourself and your Leftwing
Liberal confederates which is preferably no standards at all.
36. You must with all your heart and soul hate America and Americans
and bash them at every opportunity, while claiming you love America
though you contend that American patriots are really traitors.
37. You must always remember that you are a member of the grown up 4-H
and it is incumbent on you to always display their watchwords:
hallucinations, hyperbole, hysteria and hate.
38. You have to believe that just because your candidate lost an
election (by all means shriek "election fraud" or "stolen election")
or an unacceptable law was passed there's always the possibility of
going to court to get your way in spite of the electorate and their
congressional delegates.
39. You are always to belittle and deride concepts such as optimism,
patriotism, honor, honesty, faithfulness, fidelity, loyalty, courage,
bravery, principles, trust, trustworthiness, reliability,
responsibility,
respect, common-courtesy, common decency, kindness, Good Samaritanism,
sacrifice, patience, fortitude, values, integrity and character as
being naive and passe. Call anyone who uses those words, "judgmental"
and "intolerant".
40. You are encouraged to lionize, venerate, yea, worship sloth, lust,
self-centeredness, selfishness, instant gratification, slander,
criminal behavior, drug addiction, degenerate behavior, promiscuous
sex, lewd remarks and behavior, rudeness, crudeness, crassness, smutty
language, vulgarity of all kinds, disrespect for authority, laws, law
enforcement and military while showing respect for prostitution, drug
dealing, gang-bangers, organized crime, pornography and generally
everything that would aid in tearing down the social fabric of the
United States of America and all she stands for.
41. Be sure to exhibit incessant anger at America and Americans in
general and rage at conservatives, centrists and anyone who doesn't
agree with your ideas.
42. You must be "politically correct" when it suits your purpose and
point out that political correctness is a form of freedom rather than
more mind-control, but, it's more important to demand that others be
politically correct" than actually follow those demands yourself.
43. You must always offer praise and/or excuses for all of America's
enemies, especially terrorists who aren't really murdering cowards,
but, rather multiculturally misunderstood.
44. Remember to claim that the flag is only a piece of cloth and
stands for nothing while you explain how you love America and that's
why hurl hateful epithets regarding America and Americans, especially
those who disagree with you.
45. Whenever someone says something that rubs your prejudgments the
wrong way, ignore the contents of the remarks and vilify, defame,
malign and slander that person while claiming everything that person
has ever said or will ever utter is wrong. You are encouraged to take
cheap shots and engage in name-calling and ad hominem attacks, but,
above all, if you're a true standard-bearer for the Leftwing Liberals,
avoid discussing issues you can't debate - which are, of course, all
of them.
46. Honor multiculturalism and know it's "truths": "Multiculturalism,
n. The doctrine that persons of European ancestry are morally
inferior to all other human beings." ~ John Derbyshire, inspired by
Ambrose Bierce and his _Devil's Dictionary_
47. When confronted with something that is critical of Leftwing
Liberals, read or listen to one or two lines and jump to conclusions
(it's the best exercise many Leftwing Liberals get) that the beginning
was awful (meaning it might ask a Leftwing Liberal to actually think
or to look at Leftwing Liberals in an uncomplimentary light) - and
claim you didn't bother to read the rest or listen to the remainder
all the while claiming to be open-minded.
48. You must take it as your sworn duty to do your utmost to prevent
people from printing, voicing, writing or otherwise disseminating any
communication which is either unfavorable to or not in agreement with
Leftwing Liberal dogma and you must also strictly enforce Political
Correctness, while at the same time doing your best to muzzle and
silence those who don't agree with you. Tell adversaries to "Do as I
say, and I'll do as I please!" This is not censorship, hypocrisy or
Double Standards, but rather, "Freedom of Speech" an important
Constitutional Amendment written to give Leftwing Liberals their
God-given rights, even if they renounce and don't believe in God.
49. If you don't agree with the points of others, under no
circumstances should you present a rational counter argument or
discuss the issue itself when it is much more effective to call people
liars and cast aspersions on their veracity. This is also effective if
a person makes a mistake, don't overlook or excuse the error or admit
there was a possibility of a mistake - call them liars ferociously,
unless it's a petty sideline mistake that will help you construct
smoke and mirrors, in that case see Article #30 above.
50. Conservatives suggest that people should "hate the sin, love the
sinner". Remember, as a Leftwing Liberal you must always hate the
sinner [person or corporation who doesn't agree with you] and love the
sin as all sins are "relative" and finding anything wrong with them is
"judgmental". This may be difficult to grasp at first glance since
Leftwing Liberals don't believe in "sin" [unless it's being applied
via Double Standard, see Article #35, toward corporations or people
who don't agree with us] except for hypocrisy which is the only sin,
when applied to our opponents and one of the most effective slurs in
our arsenal. See Article #54
51. You must never be willing to take the consequences of your own
actions or words or expect your confederates to do the same as long as
you can unjustly lay the blame on someone else. But, of course, it is
critical that you demand that people who don't agree with your ideas
be held to strict adherence of taking the consequences of their
actions: See Article #35 above regarding nurturing our trademark:
Double Standards.
52. When asked to give citations, sources or support for your
propaganda, you can do one of 4 things: Use secondary sources
[McClatchy] which give "expert" Leftwing Liberal opinion on the
primary sources when they're not ignoring them, taking phrases out of
context, twisting their words or perverting their meaning; make an
official-looking, bogus website with the fake "facts" you've
presented; refer them to a propaganda site that may or may not support
your claims or the third and preferred solution is to give them the
URL of an official or universally accepted website and claim
vehemently that the so-called information you've invented, created or
faked is from that website though anyone who looks won't find it
there.
53. Remember, "A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his
fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money." ~ G.
Gordon Liddy
54. You have to support and promote socialized medicine as "Socialized
medicine is based on the belief that, while individual bankruptcy by
medical bills is tragic and wicked, bankrupting the entire country is
beneficial and noble." ~ Nicolas Martin ["If you think health care is
expensive now, wait 'til you see how much it costs when it's free."] ~
P. J. O'Rourke
55. When your adversaries make statements that ring true, seem logical
or appear to have merit, ask them completely irrelevant non sequitur
questions in an attempt to evade the issue and derail the
conversation. If that doesn't work, announce with all due grandiosity
that your opponents refuse to answer your questions or give cites,
therefore, they cannot support their assertions. This ploy of course
won't work with people who can think, but, it will bring Leftwing
Liberals and the lunatic fringe out of the woodwork to jump on your
bellicose, bungling bandwagon.
56. You must always point out vociferously and incessantly that the
reason any conservative's failing is always major news is that it
allows liberals to engage in their very favorite taunt: "Hypocrisy!"
Hypocrisy is the only sin that really inflames us Leftwing Liberals
and, of course, only applies to others because Liberals can always
invoke the time-honored Double Standard. Inasmuch as Leftwing Liberals
have no moral principles, we can sit back, march, or otherwise create
a ruckus as we criticize other people for failing to meet the
standards that liberals simply renounce. It's an intriguing strategy.
By openly admitting to being philanderers, draft dodgers, liars,
weasels and cowards, liberals avoid ever being hypocrites. Remember,
admission that morals and ethics are passe always gets you off the
hook - but, do not hesitate to point out the immorality or unethical
behavior of people who don't agree with Leftwing Liberals.
57. Remember, as a cheerleader for decadence, when any despot,
criminal or maniac is treated in any way differently from the way he
treated others, it's your sworn duty to shriek to the heavens that he
isn't being treated with dignity and is being embarrassed in spite of
the fact he may have raped, tortured, maimed and slaughtered others;
as a Leftwing Liberal you must remain silent about the victims of
despots, criminals and maniacs. The victims got what they deserved and
despots, criminals and maniacs are to be honored, lionized, venerated
and if they're bad enough, worshipped.
58. As a Leftwing Liberal, you must believe that all America foreign
policy must have the unanimous approval of France, Russia, Syria,
Cuba, Communist China and the United Nations. KM
59. You must learn to be agile at pulling the old Leftwing Liberal
Switcheroo. Naturally in normal discourse, you must incessantly and
nauseatingly bash your country, slur and slander the founding fathers,
calling them terrorists and murderers, disparage all religions except
Islam, denounce all military institutions and personnel, chide all
people who have moral convictions and on and on [See articles 1-58];
but, remember, when trying to win a petty bickering match, employ the
Leftwing Liberal Switcheroo - which means dropping your old mantras
and immediately feigning to embrace your opponents' views momentarily
and don the mask of reverence for those you hate, but know you
adversary admires. If you are successful
enough in public discourse and exhibit it with enough frequency, you
may be eligible to win a toaster from The Leftwing Liberal Liberty
Lobby.
60. You, as a Leftwing Liberal, have to believe that all of the above
is part of a vast right wing conspiracy.
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Things you have to believe to be a Republican today.
o Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a
conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers
for your recovery.
o The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our
highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.
o Government should relax regulation of Big Business and Big Money but
crack down on individuals who use marijuana to relieve the pain of
illness.
o "Standing Tall for America" means firing your workers and moving
their jobs to India.
o A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but
multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind
without regulation.
o Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary
Clinton.
o The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in
speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.
o Group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you someday run
for governor of California as a Republican.
o If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.
o A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies,
then demand their cooperation and money.
o HMOs and insurance companies have the interest of the public at
heart.
o Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing
health care to all Americans is socialism.
o Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but
creationism should be taught in schools.
o Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's
daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him
and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.
o A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable
offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which
thousands die is solid defense policy.
o Government should limit itself to the powers named in the
Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the
Internet.
o The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but
George Bush's driving record is none of our business.
o You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John
Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have a
right to adopt.
o What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest,
but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.
o Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade
with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2003/11/21/57365.php
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