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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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02 Jul 2004 09:57:58 PM |
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Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors' |
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Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors'
German TV magazine targets missionary work in post-Saddam Iraq
WorldNetDaily.com
Thursday, July 1, 2004
The German TV magazine "Panorama" denounced Southern
Baptist missionaries in Iraq as "America's Holy
Warriors," comparing their spiritual and humanitarian
activities with Islamic terrorist attacks.
The program, shown on a major network June 24,
underscored its assertions by quoting Baptists saying
they are prepared to die for their convictions, reported
the Assist News Service.
Many Christians telephoned the station in protest, and
the German Baptist Union criticized the "one-sided"
portrayal.
German Baptist spokesman Friedrich Schneider points out
not only American, but Arab Baptists have been active in
Iraq for a long time.
Schneider said that while Arabs choose a more "sensitive"
approach than the Americans, it was irresponsible to put
politically and theologically conservative Christians on
the same level with Taliban and al-Qaida terrorists.
The former general secretary of the European Baptist
Federation, Karl Heinz Walter, said Panorama showed
Baptists in a "bad light."
Walter noted the program falsely claimed President Bush
is a Southern Baptist. Bush is a member of the United
Methodist Church, which was highly critical of the
military campaign in Iraq.
Former Democratic President Bill Clinton and his vice
president, Al Gore, both are members of the Southern
Baptist denomination.
Assist said Panorama journalist Volker Steinhoff still
maintained the report contained no factual error, saying
it had focused on the Southern Baptists, not all
Baptists.
"There could be no doubt that their activities had caused
much alarm and even hatred in Iraq," he claimed.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39226
Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors'
German TV magazine targets missionary work in post-Saddam Iraq
WorldNetDaily.com
Thursday, July 1, 2004
The German TV magazine "Panorama" denounced Southern
Baptist missionaries in Iraq as "America's Holy
Warriors," comparing their spiritual and humanitarian
activities with Islamic terrorist attacks.
The program, shown on a major network June 24,
underscored its assertions by quoting Baptists saying
they are prepared to die for their convictions, reported
the Assist News Service.
Many Christians telephoned the station in protest, and
the German Baptist Union criticized the "one-sided"
portrayal.
German Baptist spokesman Friedrich Schneider points out
not only American, but Arab Baptists have been active in
Iraq for a long time.
Schneider said that while Arabs choose a more "sensitive"
approach than the Americans, it was irresponsible to put
politically and theologically conservative Christians on
the same level with Taliban and al-Qaida terrorists.
The former general secretary of the European Baptist
Federation, Karl Heinz Walter, said Panorama showed
Baptists in a "bad light."
Walter noted the program falsely claimed President Bush
is a Southern Baptist. Bush is a member of the United
Methodist Church, which was highly critical of the
military campaign in Iraq.
Former Democratic President Bill Clinton and his vice
president, Al Gore, both are members of the Southern
Baptist denomination.
Assist said Panorama journalist Volker Steinhoff still
maintained the report contained no factual error, saying
it had focused on the Southern Baptists, not all
Baptists.
"There could be no doubt that their activities had caused
much alarm and even hatred in Iraq," he claimed.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39226
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors' |
06 Jul 2004 08:34:22 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
The source is "world net daily" which will print anything it's
paid to regardless of whether it's factual or not.
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Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors'
German TV magazine targets missionary work in post-Saddam Iraq
WorldNetDaily.com
Thursday, July 1, 2004
The German TV magazine "Panorama" denounced Southern
Baptist missionaries in Iraq as "America's Holy
Warriors," comparing their spiritual and humanitarian
activities with Islamic terrorist attacks.
Please note that Southern Baptists (specifically, the churches of the
Southern Baptist Convention) are a very specific subset of Baptists, one that
has embraced the worst of the fundamentalist Christian mindset. Most Baptists
are actually pretty open-minded.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is
tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists
for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering, http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm
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| User: "Brenda Nelson" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors' |
06 Jul 2004 05:26:42 PM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<40EAAA5E.9FC1DC44@serv.net>...
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
The source is "world net daily" which will print anything it's
paid to regardless of whether it's factual or not.
-=-
Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors'
German TV magazine targets missionary work in post-Saddam Iraq
WorldNetDaily.com
Thursday, July 1, 2004
The German TV magazine "Panorama" denounced Southern
Baptist missionaries in Iraq as "America's Holy
Warriors," comparing their spiritual and humanitarian
activities with Islamic terrorist attacks.
Please note that Southern Baptists (specifically, the churches of the
Southern Baptist Convention) are a very specific subset of Baptists, one that
has embraced the worst of the fundamentalist Christian mindset. Most Baptists
are actually pretty open-minded.
Actually, most of them *aren't* open-minded, by any definition of the
phrase, although with individuals, YMMV. Generally speaking,
Conservative Baptists are worse than Southern Baptists; Primitive and
Free-Will Baptists are more rigid than the Conservative Baptists.
The only flavor of Baptists who are even remotely "open-minded" are
the Northern Baptists.
This is not to say that you can't encounter open-minded Baptists of
other stripes - it just means they don't agree with some of the
opinions within their particular Baptist convention. My folks were
open-minded Conservative Baptists (until they became Evangelical
Lutherans, that is). Both I and my brother are now non-believers.
But we're far from the norm.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
Chief Wrangler and Ramrod Emeritus
(and Professor of Feline Thermometrics)
EAC Equine Transportation Command/Carne Seca Division
in the Prefecture of Baja, Arizona
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors' |
07 Jul 2004 08:26:31 AM |
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Brenda Nelson wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<40EAAA5E.9FC1DC44@serv.net>...
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
The source is "world net daily" which will print anything it's
paid to regardless of whether it's factual or not.
-=-
Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors'
German TV magazine targets missionary work in post-Saddam Iraq
WorldNetDaily.com
Thursday, July 1, 2004
The German TV magazine "Panorama" denounced Southern
Baptist missionaries in Iraq as "America's Holy
Warriors," comparing their spiritual and humanitarian
activities with Islamic terrorist attacks.
Please note that Southern Baptists (specifically, the churches of the
Southern Baptist Convention) are a very specific subset of Baptists, one that
has embraced the worst of the fundamentalist Christian mindset. Most Baptists
are actually pretty open-minded.
Actually, most of them *aren't* open-minded, by any definition of the
phrase, although with individuals, YMMV. Generally speaking,
Conservative Baptists are worse than Southern Baptists; Primitive and
Free-Will Baptists are more rigid than the Conservative Baptists.
The only flavor of Baptists who are even remotely "open-minded" are
the Northern Baptists.
This is not to say that you can't encounter open-minded Baptists of
other stripes - it just means they don't agree with some of the
opinions within their particular Baptist convention. My folks were
open-minded Conservative Baptists (until they became Evangelical
Lutherans, that is). Both I and my brother are now non-believers.
But we're far from the norm.
I was under the impression that most Baptist groups were pretty conservative but still
maintained an open attitude and were (relative to the SBA, at least) pretty much "live and
let live." After a bit of research, I see I was under the wrong impression :-/
Mea culpa.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is
tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists
for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering, http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors' |
07 Jul 2004 09:31:06 AM |
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I was under the impression that most Baptist groups were pretty conservative
but still
maintained an open attitude and were (relative to the SBA, at least) pretty
much "live and
let live." After a bit of research, I see I was under the wrong impression
:-/
Also remember how the Baptist schism in the US in 1845 affected the country.
The Southern Baptist Congress split away from their northern brethren because
the Southern Baptists believed that the Bible and the Christian religion
expressly authorized slavery. That religious split was one of the factors that
drove this country into civil war. If you look at the core of the anti-American
white-supremacist, Christian-supremacist and neo-confederate movements today
you will find Southern Baptists at their heart. They are as dangerous to the
American way of life as Al-Qaeda is.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors' |
03 Jul 2004 02:11:42 AM |
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In article <10ec8eqp5qpiaf9@corp.supernews.com>,
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
The source is "world net daily" which will print anything it's
paid to regardless of whether it's factual or not.
-=-
Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors'
German TV magazine targets missionary work in post-Saddam Iraq
WorldNetDaily.com
Thursday, July 1, 2004
The German TV magazine "Panorama" denounced Southern
Baptist missionaries in Iraq as "America's Holy
Warriors," comparing their spiritual and humanitarian
activities with Islamic terrorist attacks.
<snip>
"There could be no doubt that their activities had caused
much alarm and even hatred in Iraq," he claimed.
Well, duh! Why not pour a little more gasoline on the fire.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors' |
03 Jul 2004 10:39:56 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote:
In article <10ec8eqp5qpiaf9@corp.supernews.com>,
REMOVEFRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors'
German TV magazine targets missionary work in post-Saddam Iraq
WorldNetDaily.com
This "world net daily," by the way, is apparently owned by fundy
Christians. They'll print as news anything someone sends to them
with a check in the proper amount.
"There could be no doubt that their activities had caused
much alarm and even hatred in Iraq," he claimed.
Well, duh! Why not pour a little more gasoline on the fire.
Some of the invaders actually throw candy to Iraqi kids. Talk about
irony.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors' |
04 Jul 2004 02:05:27 AM |
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In article <10edl3degq0am9d@corp.supernews.com>,
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote:
In article <10ec8eqp5qpiaf9@corp.supernews.com>,
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
Baptists denounced as 'America's Holy Warriors'
German TV magazine targets missionary work in post-Saddam Iraq
WorldNetDaily.com
This "world net daily," by the way, is apparently owned by fundy
Christians. They'll print as news anything someone sends to them
with a check in the proper amount.
Which is probably why the publication is know in some circles as the
"Wing Nut Daily".
"There could be no doubt that their activities had caused
much alarm and even hatred in Iraq," he claimed.
Well, duh! Why not pour a little more gasoline on the fire.
Some of the invaders actually throw candy to Iraqi kids. Talk about
irony.
Here kid, we just killed your dad, so have a stick of gum.
---
Where to find Fahrenheit 9/11: http://www.f911tix.com/
For activists: Not Ordered Text Server at http://www.notserver.com/
Baby Killer Bush: most unwelcome American ever to set foot on Irish soil:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0624/primetime/primetime56_1c.smil
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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