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"L. Raymond" |
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14 Aug 2007 10:23:07 PM |
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Baptists ready to train the little woman |
Thankfully, there is opposition to this, but that Patterson is even
accepted as a responsible person and allowed any degree of authority is
a sad and pathetic thing.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/religion/5050028.html
Southwestern Baptist, one of the nation's largest Southern Baptist
seminaries, is introducing a new academic program in homemaking as part
of an effort to establish what its president calls biblical family and
gender roles.
It will offer a bachelor of arts in humanities degree with a 23-hour
concentration in homemaking. The program is only open to women.
Coursework will include seven hours of nutrition and meal preparation,
seven hours of textile design and "clothing construction," three hours
of general homemaking, three hours on "the value of a child," and three
hours on the "biblical model for the home and family."
Seminary officials say the main focus of the courses is on hospitality
in the home ¡X teaching women interior design as well as how to sew and
cook. Women also study children's spiritual, physical and emotional
development.
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"We are moving against the tide in order to establish family and gender
roles as described in God's word for the home and the family," [Seminary
President Paige] Patterson said at the denomination's annual meeting in
June. "If we do not do something to salvage the future of the home, both
our denomination and our nation will be destroyed."
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L. Raymond
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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14 Aug 2007 10:56:01 PM |
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"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Thankfully, there is opposition to this, but that Patterson is even
accepted as a responsible person and allowed any degree of authority is
a sad and pathetic thing.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/religion/5050028.html
Southwestern Baptist, one of the nation's largest Southern Baptist
seminaries, is introducing a new academic program in homemaking as part
of an effort to establish what its president calls biblical family and
gender roles.
It will offer a bachelor of arts in humanities degree with a 23-hour
concentration in homemaking. The program is only open to women.
Coursework will include seven hours of nutrition and meal preparation,
seven hours of textile design and "clothing construction," three hours
of general homemaking, three hours on "the value of a child," and three
hours on the "biblical model for the home and family."
Seminary officials say the main focus of the courses is on hospitality
in the home ¡X teaching women interior design as well as how to sew and
cook. Women also study children's spiritual, physical and emotional
development.
Modern girls don't sew. Never mind this religious nonsense. I have never
been able to get any of my women to repair even simple clothing problems,
like sewing a button on. At least the one I have now can cook, whatever her
other faults, like being a know-it-all.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
15 Aug 2007 11:07:14 AM |
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On Aug 14, 11:56 pm, "ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:1sn6uj5zwj3a1.17oe8okfn3v8o.dlg@40tude.net...
Thankfully, there is opposition to this, but that Patterson is even
accepted as a responsible person and allowed any degree of authority is
a sad and pathetic thing.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/religion/5050028.html
Southwestern Baptist, one of the nation's largest Southern Baptist
seminaries, is introducing a new academic program in homemaking as part
of an effort to establish what its president calls biblical family and
gender roles.
It will offer a bachelor of arts in humanities degree with a 23-hour
concentration in homemaking. The program is only open to women.
Coursework will include seven hours of nutrition and meal preparation,
seven hours of textile design and "clothing construction," three hours
of general homemaking, three hours on "the value of a child," and three
hours on the "biblical model for the home and family."
Seminary officials say the main focus of the courses is on hospitality
in the home X teaching women interior design as well as how to sew and
cook. Women also study children's spiritual, physical and emotional
development.
Modern girls don't sew.
They just claim to.
Never mind this religious nonsense. I have never
been able to get any of my women to repair even simple clothing problems,
like sewing a button on. At least the one I have now can cook, whatever her
other faults, like being a know-it-all.- Hide quoted text -
Yeah the unfortunate position of being male nowadays. You are still
expected to pick up the check,pay the utility bills, take care of auto
and appliance maitenence, pay for the roof over her head, do the
repairs, kill the pests, and take out the trash...yet it is "unfair"
and "sexist" if everything else isn't shared equally
Hatter
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
15 Aug 2007 12:01:22 PM |
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"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yeah the unfortunate position of being male nowadays. You are still
expected to pick up the check,
My husband and I usually split it.
pay the utility bills,
I pay the utilities.
take care of auto
I pay for my own car - Plus I pay for our auto insurance.
and appliance maitenence,
Let's see. Who paid for that new part for the stove. Oh yeah, that was me.
pay for the roof over her head, do the
repairs,
I've done plenty of those.
kill the pests,
I usually just toss them outside - unless the cats eat them.
and take out the trash
I DEFINITELY do this. My husband always "forgot", so I took over the job.
....yet it is "unfair"
and "sexist" if everything else isn't shared equally
Uh huh.
Frankly, I wish my husband would share the laundry, cooking, dishing and
general cleaning equally >:[
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
15 Aug 2007 10:27:01 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:01:22 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yeah the unfortunate position of being male nowadays. You are still
expected to pick up the check,
My husband and I usually split it.
pay the utility bills,
I pay the utilities.
take care of auto
I pay for my own car - Plus I pay for our auto insurance.
and appliance maitenence,
Let's see. Who paid for that new part for the stove. Oh yeah, that was me.
We split our bills but pay most entirely from one check or the other
since that's easier. That includes the home payment, which by the
way, I supplied in the first place. My house - he moved in.
pay for the roof over her head, do the
repairs,
I've done plenty of those.
He only does repairs that he knows how to. Simple woodwork,
complicated car repair - and he enjoys that and fixes up old cars as a
hobby. I pay for anything done on my car in the way of parts or
repair that he doesn't want to, such as the transmission replacement.
I do all fabric repair - upholstery, curtains, clothing.
kill the pests,
I usually just toss them outside - unless the cats eat them.
We both remove pests. He's nicer about it and always carefully
carries them outside. I clean up dog doo, he cleans up cat vomit.
and take out the trash
I DEFINITELY do this. My husband always "forgot", so I took over the job.
He does this. I do other chores such as laundry. He tends to mess
that up.
...yet it is "unfair"
and "sexist" if everything else isn't shared equally
Uh huh.
Frankly, I wish my husband would share the laundry, cooking, dishing and
general cleaning equally >:[
Mine does a pretty good job at doing his share, but he's extremely
rare in that requard and I tell him regularly how happy I am about it.
Interestingly enough, our arguments are never about money or sex,
rarely about chores but mostly about 'what we just said'
(miscommunication). It's amazing how long we can drag on an arguement
about that.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
16 Aug 2007 09:00:08 AM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:46d1c0cd.717065703@news-west.newscene.com...
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:01:22 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
snip
Yeah the unfortunate position of being male nowadays. You are still
expected to pick up the check,
My husband and I usually split it.
pay the utility bills,
I pay the utilities.
take care of auto
I pay for my own car - Plus I pay for our auto insurance.
and appliance maitenence,
Let's see. Who paid for that new part for the stove. Oh yeah, that was
me.
We split our bills but pay most entirely from one check or the other
since that's easier. That includes the home payment, which by the
way, I supplied in the first place. My house - he moved in.
Since my huband makes quite a bit more than I do, his paycheck goes to the
mortgage. I pay for the utilities, house phone, cell phones, aftercare &
summer camp for the kid, cable, Xmas presents for the nieces and nephews,
etc. We bought the house together, but the majority of the down payment
came from my parents and my savings.
pay for the roof over her head, do the
repairs,
I've done plenty of those.
He only does repairs that he knows how to. Simple woodwork,
complicated car repair - and he enjoys that and fixes up old cars as a
hobby. I pay for anything done on my car in the way of parts or
repair that he doesn't want to, such as the transmission replacement.
Exactly, I do the same. My husband has paid for the majority of the
bathroom renovation, which I used to feel bad about, until what should have
taken a couple of weeks has now dragged on for almost 6 months. <Sigh>
I do all fabric repair - upholstery, curtains, clothing.
Yep, me too.
kill the pests,
I usually just toss them outside - unless the cats eat them.
We both remove pests. He's nicer about it and always carefully
carries them outside. I clean up dog doo, he cleans up cat vomit.
I clean up EVERYTHING to do with the cats - poop, puke, whatevah. I also
had to dispose of dead mice my elder feline has left by the back door
(almost dropped that one down the husband's shirt, but in the end, decided
that it just wouldn't be worth it) ;)
and take out the trash
I DEFINITELY do this. My husband always "forgot", so I took over the job.
He does this. I do other chores such as laundry. He tends to mess
that up.
My husband likes to brag that he does a better job - but that's as far as it
goes. He rarely does it.
...yet it is "unfair"
and "sexist" if everything else isn't shared equally
Uh huh.
Frankly, I wish my husband would share the laundry, cooking, dishing and
general cleaning equally >:[
Mine does a pretty good job at doing his share, but he's extremely
rare in that requard and I tell him regularly how happy I am about it.
Interestingly enough, our arguments are never about money or sex,
rarely about chores but mostly about 'what we just said'
(miscommunication). It's amazing how long we can drag on an arguement
about that.
We rarely argue. That last time we have a major fight was almost 12 years
ago. We might get a little snippy with each other now and then, but then
someone says something funny and it's all over ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
16 Aug 2007 01:45:02 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:00:08 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:46d1c0cd.717065703@news-west.newscene.com...
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:01:22 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
snip
Yeah the unfortunate position of being male nowadays. You are still
expected to pick up the check,
My husband and I usually split it.
pay the utility bills,
I pay the utilities.
take care of auto
I pay for my own car - Plus I pay for our auto insurance.
and appliance maitenence,
Let's see. Who paid for that new part for the stove. Oh yeah, that was
me.
We split our bills but pay most entirely from one check or the other
since that's easier. That includes the home payment, which by the
way, I supplied in the first place. My house - he moved in.
Since my huband makes quite a bit more than I do, his paycheck goes to the
mortgage. I pay for the utilities, house phone, cell phones, aftercare &
summer camp for the kid, cable, Xmas presents for the nieces and nephews,
etc. We bought the house together, but the majority of the down payment
came from my parents and my savings.
pay for the roof over her head, do the
repairs,
I've done plenty of those.
He only does repairs that he knows how to. Simple woodwork,
complicated car repair - and he enjoys that and fixes up old cars as a
hobby. I pay for anything done on my car in the way of parts or
repair that he doesn't want to, such as the transmission replacement.
Exactly, I do the same. My husband has paid for the majority of the
bathroom renovation, which I used to feel bad about, until what should have
taken a couple of weeks has now dragged on for almost 6 months. <Sigh>
I do all fabric repair - upholstery, curtains, clothing.
Yep, me too.
kill the pests,
I usually just toss them outside - unless the cats eat them.
We both remove pests. He's nicer about it and always carefully
carries them outside. I clean up dog doo, he cleans up cat vomit.
I clean up EVERYTHING to do with the cats - poop, puke, whatevah. I also
had to dispose of dead mice my elder feline has left by the back door
(almost dropped that one down the husband's shirt, but in the end, decided
that it just wouldn't be worth it) ;)
We get half dead snakes and piles of feathers. Occasionally the 'alf
a mouse'.
and take out the trash
I DEFINITELY do this. My husband always "forgot", so I took over the job.
He does this. I do other chores such as laundry. He tends to mess
that up.
My husband likes to brag that he does a better job - but that's as far as it
goes. He rarely does it.
I used to make my ex do all his own military uniforms. He wanted them
just so, so he had to do that. I had to sew on the damn patches
though and those were a ***** to get 'just right', especially on
flight suits.
...yet it is "unfair"
and "sexist" if everything else isn't shared equally
Uh huh.
Frankly, I wish my husband would share the laundry, cooking, dishing and
general cleaning equally >:[
Mine does a pretty good job at doing his share, but he's extremely
rare in that requard and I tell him regularly how happy I am about it.
Interestingly enough, our arguments are never about money or sex,
rarely about chores but mostly about 'what we just said'
(miscommunication). It's amazing how long we can drag on an arguement
about that.
We rarely argue. That last time we have a major fight was almost 12 years
ago. We might get a little snippy with each other now and then, but then
someone says something funny and it's all over ;)
We have that problem too. Something hits somebody the wrong way and
the next thing you know, we are giggling.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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17 Aug 2007 03:26:37 AM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:46d799cb.772616453@news-west.newscene.com...
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:00:08 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
I clean up EVERYTHING to do with the cats - poop, puke, whatevah. I also
had to dispose of dead mice my elder feline has left by the back door
(almost dropped that one down the husband's shirt, but in the end, decided
that it just wouldn't be worth it) ;)
We get half dead snakes and piles of feathers. Occasionally the 'alf
a mouse'.
Yep, my daughter and I found one of those 'alf a mouse' things recently.
Lovely! :P
and take out the trash
I DEFINITELY do this. My husband always "forgot", so I took over the
job.
He does this. I do other chores such as laundry. He tends to mess
that up.
My husband likes to brag that he does a better job - but that's as far as
it
goes. He rarely does it.
I used to make my ex do all his own military uniforms. He wanted them
just so, so he had to do that.
Absolutely. I wouldn't have wanted to mess with those.
I had to sew on the damn patches
though and those were a ***** to get 'just right', especially on
flight suits.
Heehee - At least I've only had to sew on Brownie badges ;)
snip
We rarely argue. That last time we have a major fight was almost 12 years
ago. We might get a little snippy with each other now and then, but then
someone says something funny and it's all over ;)
We have that problem too. Something hits somebody the wrong way and
the next thing you know, we are giggling.
Exactly - And that's not a bad thing. More than one argument has been
diffused by a well-placed wise crack :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
15 Aug 2007 09:49:08 PM |
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"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187194034.112177.268230@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 14, 11:56 pm, "ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:1sn6uj5zwj3a1.17oe8okfn3v8o.dlg@40tude.net...
Thankfully, there is opposition to this, but that Patterson is even
accepted as a responsible person and allowed any degree of authority is
a sad and pathetic thing.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/religion/5050028.html
Southwestern Baptist, one of the nation's largest Southern Baptist
seminaries, is introducing a new academic program in homemaking as part
of an effort to establish what its president calls biblical family and
gender roles.
It will offer a bachelor of arts in humanities degree with a 23-hour
concentration in homemaking. The program is only open to women.
Coursework will include seven hours of nutrition and meal preparation,
seven hours of textile design and "clothing construction," three hours
of general homemaking, three hours on "the value of a child," and three
hours on the "biblical model for the home and family."
Seminary officials say the main focus of the courses is on hospitality
in the home X teaching women interior design as well as how to sew and
cook. Women also study children's spiritual, physical and emotional
development.
Modern girls don't sew.
They just claim to.
Never mind this religious nonsense. I have never
been able to get any of my women to repair even simple clothing problems,
like sewing a button on. At least the one I have now can cook, whatever
her
other faults, like being a know-it-all.- Hide quoted text -
Yeah the unfortunate position of being male nowadays. You are still
expected to pick up the check,pay the utility bills, take care of auto
and appliance maitenence, pay for the roof over her head, do the
repairs, kill the pests, and take out the trash...yet it is "unfair"
and "sexist" if everything else isn't shared equally
Hatter
Hey! I didn't say that.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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15 Aug 2007 05:40:43 PM |
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Ferrous Patella <mail125797@pop.net>
news:1187194034.112177.268230@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com by Hatter:
Yeah the unfortunate position of being male nowadays. You are still
expected to pick up the check,pay the utility bills,
My wife earns 3 times what I do. She picks up the check, pays the morgage,
etc.. She just bought me a car last week.
take care of auto and appliance maitenence,
Yep, my job
pay for the roof over her head,
see above
do the repairs,
My job
kill the pests,
She can (and does) catch mice with her bare hands. (Actually, she has a
PhD in mice.
and take out the trash...
Kid's job.
yet it is "unfair" and "sexist" if everything else isn't shared equally
She is quite nice about lettimg me go out own my own (usually to coach the
girls' wrestling team at the local high school) while she gets stuck at
home.
To coach the girls' wrestling team?
I'll be in my bunk.
-- cary
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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15 Aug 2007 06:51:06 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
Ferrous Patella wrote:
She is quite nice about lettimg me go out own my own (usually to coach the
girls' wrestling team at the local high school) while she gets stuck at
home.
To coach the girls' wrestling team?
I'll be in my bunk.
The reason this article is ugly is it show how desperate some segments
of the population are to reduce women to birthing machines fit for
nothing else than giving sex, minding the home and acting as a man's
servant. When you reduce the entirety of a women's sport to a purely
sexual thing, you are joining the Baptists in that attitude.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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16 Aug 2007 02:05:31 PM |
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In article <drtt25fv41iu.aeb5fzij1ogt.dlg@40tude.net> "L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Ferrous Patella wrote:
She is quite nice about lettimg me go out own my own (usually to coach the
girls' wrestling team at the local high school) while she gets stuck at
home.
To coach the girls' wrestling team?
I'll be in my bunk.
The reason this article is ugly is it show how desperate some segments
of the population are to reduce women to birthing machines fit for
nothing else than giving sex, minding the home and acting as a man's
servant. When you reduce the entirety of a women's sport to a purely
sexual thing, you are joining the Baptists in that attitude.
Actually, it was a joke. A pop-culture reference, to be specific.
My apologies to anyone taking offense.
-- cary
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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17 Aug 2007 03:33:44 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
"L. Raymond" writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
To coach the girls' wrestling team?
I'll be in my bunk.
The reason this article is ugly is it show how desperate some segments
of the population are to reduce women to birthing machines fit for
nothing else than giving sex, minding the home and acting as a man's
servant. When you reduce the entirety of a women's sport to a purely
sexual thing, you are joining the Baptists in that attitude.
Actually, it was a joke. A pop-culture reference, to be specific.
My apologies to anyone taking offense.
I know, I've watched Firefly, which is the only reason I got the point.
And it's not just this one comment, it's how often and how constantly
such things are flung in our faces, not only by folks passing though
a.a. but by so many of the regulars. Seeing so many people refer to
women in a purely sexual way, or using terms that describe women as the
worst insults they can think of can only be taken for so long.
I wasn't reacting to you personally, just the cumulative effect. Sorry
if it seemed too personal.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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18 Aug 2007 01:42:09 PM |
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Ferrous Patella <mail125797@pop.net>
news:fa275r$ljm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu by Cary Kittrell:
In article <drtt25fv41iu.aeb5fzij1ogt.dlg@40tude.net> "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
To coach the girls' wrestling team?
I'll be in my bunk.
The reason this article is ugly is it show how desperate some
segments of the population are to reduce women to birthing machines
fit for nothing else than giving sex, minding the home and acting as
a man's servant. When you reduce the entirety of a women's sport to
a purely sexual thing, you are joining the Baptists in that attitude.
Actually, it was a joke. A pop-culture reference, to be specific.
My apologies to anyone taking offense.
I don't get the pop reference but I wasn't offended either.
FYI. Women's wrestling is an Olympic sport. Here in Washington state, we
are the third state to sanction the sport for girls (after HI and TX. CA,
MI and OR will probably follow soon.) There are about a dozen colleges
in the USA that offer wrestling as a varsity sport for women.
Oh, and my kid is an All-American.
Cool! Go, Patella's kid!!
-- cary
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17 Aug 2007 01:56:43 PM |
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news:fa275r$ljm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu by Cary Kittrell:
In article <drtt25fv41iu.aeb5fzij1ogt.dlg@40tude.net> "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
To coach the girls' wrestling team?
I'll be in my bunk.
The reason this article is ugly is it show how desperate some
segments of the population are to reduce women to birthing machines
fit for nothing else than giving sex, minding the home and acting as
a man's servant. When you reduce the entirety of a women's sport to
a purely sexual thing, you are joining the Baptists in that attitude.
Actually, it was a joke. A pop-culture reference, to be specific.
My apologies to anyone taking offense.
I don't get the pop reference but I wasn't offended either.
FYI. Women's wrestling is an Olympic sport. Here in Washington state, we
are the third state to sanction the sport for girls (after HI and TX. CA,
MI and OR will probably follow soon.) There are about a dozen colleges
in the USA that offer wrestling as a varsity sport for women.
Oh, and my kid is an All-American.
--
"Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever."
Annual English Teachers' awards for best student
metaphors/analogies found in actual student papers
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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15 Aug 2007 01:35:05 PM |
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Hatter wrote:
On Aug 14, 11:56 pm, "ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:1sn6uj5zwj3a1.17oe8okfn3v8o.dlg@40tude.net...
Thankfully, there is opposition to this, but that Patterson is even
accepted as a responsible person and allowed any degree of authority is
a sad and pathetic thing.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/religion/5050028.html
Southwestern Baptist, one of the nation's largest Southern Baptist
seminaries, is introducing a new academic program in homemaking as part
of an effort to establish what its president calls biblical family and
gender roles.
It will offer a bachelor of arts in humanities degree with a 23-hour
concentration in homemaking. The program is only open to women.
Coursework will include seven hours of nutrition and meal preparation,
seven hours of textile design and "clothing construction," three hours
of general homemaking, three hours on "the value of a child," and three
hours on the "biblical model for the home and family."
Seminary officials say the main focus of the courses is on hospitality
in the home X teaching women interior design as well as how to sew and
cook. Women also study children's spiritual, physical and emotional
development.
Modern girls don't sew.
They just claim to.
Maybe you should associate with grown women. We are more competent
than girls.
Yeah the unfortunate position of being male nowadays. You are still
expected to pick up the check,pay the utility bills, take care of auto
and appliance maitenence, pay for the roof over her head, do the
repairs, kill the pests, and take out the trash...yet it is "unfair"
and "sexist" if everything else isn't shared equally
You never struck me as a jerk, so I assume this is some weird attempt at
being humorous? In the majority of families both parents work, and the
woman most likely earns less despite equal skills, then she has to come
home, do all the housework and cooking; she's the one expected to be
home to receive plumbers, exterminators, roofers, electricians or other
professionals; she's the one who can be fired for taking too many sick
days to have a child; she's the one expected to stay home and take care
of the baby, even if it's been weaned.
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L. Raymond
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
15 Aug 2007 04:21:03 PM |
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On Aug 15, 2:35 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Hatter wrote:
On Aug 14, 11:56 pm, "ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:1sn6uj5zwj3a1.17oe8okfn3v8o.dlg@40tude.net...
Thankfully, there is opposition to this, but that Patterson is even
accepted as a responsible person and allowed any degree of authority is
a sad and pathetic thing.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/religion/5050028.html
Southwestern Baptist, one of the nation's largest Southern Baptist
seminaries, is introducing a new academic program in homemaking as part
of an effort to establish what its president calls biblical family and
gender roles.
It will offer a bachelor of arts in humanities degree with a 23-hour
concentration in homemaking. The program is only open to women.
Coursework will include seven hours of nutrition and meal preparation,
seven hours of textile design and "clothing construction," three hours
of general homemaking, three hours on "the value of a child," and three
hours on the "biblical model for the home and family."
Seminary officials say the main focus of the courses is on hospitality
in the home X teaching women interior design as well as how to sew and
cook. Women also study children's spiritual, physical and emotional
development.
Modern girls don't sew.
They just claim to.
Maybe you should associate with grown women. We are more competent
than girls.
That is, perhaps, a very good point.
Yeah the unfortunate position of being male nowadays. You are still
expected to pick up the check,pay the utility bills, take care of auto
and appliance maitenence, pay for the roof over her head, do the
repairs, kill the pests, and take out the trash...yet it is "unfair"
and "sexist" if everything else isn't shared equally
You never struck me as a jerk, so I assume this is some weird attempt at
being humorous? In the majority of families both parents work, and the
woman most likely earns less despite equal skills, then she has to come
home, do all the housework and cooking; she's the one expected to be
home to receive plumbers, exterminators, roofers, electricians or other
professionals; she's the one who can be fired for taking too many sick
days to have a child; she's the one expected to stay home and take care
of the baby, even if it's been weaned.
--
No its me just being pissy, between my slightly reactionary nature of
what is told to me about gender relations...versus what I oft see, and
what is happening in my own life. I was exagerating out of pissyness.
There are plenty of male jerks whom do assume the women do the
chores(my roomates are good examples, but then again...she leaves more
chores for me...he does nothing), but most of those are over forty, or
culturally hispanic.
BTW the whole women make less than men thing is a myth in two ways,
and true in a third way, because of children.
First of all, if you use all sources of income, investment included;
according to the the Dept of the Treasury, women make $1.05 per capita
for every $1.00 a man makes. That means that average women has more
economic power in the US than the average man. Yes it is slight, but
to say that the opposite reality exists is to accpt rhetoric over
reality.
Second of all: The concept that a women makes less than a man for the
same set of job skills and experience(Sometime the claim is as low as
60%) is mythical because of simple economic reality. If a corporation
could get the same valuable skill set and production from a input 'a'
that costs 60% of a another imput, imput 'b'...the most profitable
thing would be to phase out "b" and only use "a." Scince highly
profitable corporations do not exclusively hire women....this is a
falsehood.
As to the true, sort of, way: Women regularly make considerably more
than men, even from femist sources, below the age of twenty five. The
figure I've seen is $1.14 to $1.24 of wages per capita for every
$1.00 a male makes. This is exctly below standrd "baby" bearing
years. If you look at interviews with top earning female executives,
a rather large percentage never had children, and the remaining ones
had nannies. When a woman takes off for having children the loss of
wages are going to be taken from their top earning years of their
life, because whenever they have them, it will still mean they had
that many less months or years of developing skills and networking for
that point. Remember whether or not you had, or have, a child is not
the concern of the client...only your output...that is what they are
paying you for. In the cold hard light of day, the child is your
choice, and not the responsibility of your client.
I am not advocating anything other than laying aside rhetoric, and
they way you want to see things, to seeing how they are actually
happening now, not in 1985, and the economic and social realities of
the situation. I know, this is an unpopular position.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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15 Aug 2007 09:23:51 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:35:05 -0500, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
In the majority of families both parents work, and the
woman most likely earns less despite equal skills
My wife warns more than I do now, but I didn't take my current job for
the money - I took it to help the guy I work for.
then she has to come home, do all the housework and cooking
She makes her dinner, I make mine. (We have different tastes.)
she's the one expected to be home to receive plumbers, exterminators, roofers, electricians or other
professionals
That's my job.
she's the one who can be fired for taking too many sick
days to have a child
More like written up in the medical and religious journals. :)
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
16 Aug 2007 02:43:21 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
"L. Raymond" wrote:
In the majority of families both parents work, and the
woman most likely earns less despite equal skills
My wife warns more than I do now, but I didn't take my current job for
the money - I took it to help the guy I work for.
then she has to come home, do all the housework and cooking
She makes her dinner, I make mine. (We have different tastes.)
she's the one expected to be home to receive plumbers, exterminators, roofers, electricians or other
professionals
That's my job.
That doesn't matter, really, since I was talking in generalities, as a
counter to Mr. Hatter's sweeping generalizations. Personally, I do
everything, from supplying all money for the household to handling all
household chores, but that doesn't prevent me from being aware that most
households aren't like that.
she's the one who can be fired for taking too many sick
days to have a child
More like written up in the medical and religious journals. :)
That's a cryptic remark; what's it mean?
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
16 Aug 2007 07:54:10 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:43:21 -0500, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
"L. Raymond" wrote:
she's the one who can be fired for taking too many sick
days to have a child
More like written up in the medical and religious journals. :)
That's a cryptic remark; what's it mean?
At 55, it would take medical intervention or a miracle for her to
produce a child.
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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17 Aug 2007 03:30:04 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
"L. Raymond" wrote:
she's the one who can be fired for taking too many sick
days to have a child
More like written up in the medical and religious journals. :)
That's a cryptic remark; what's it mean?
At 55, it would take medical intervention or a miracle for her to
produce a child.
Oh, well, I was writing in generalities. *smile*
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
15 Aug 2007 07:07:20 PM |
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Hatter wrote:
Yeah the unfortunate position of being male nowadays. You are still
expected to pick up the check,pay the utility bills, take care of auto
and appliance maitenence, pay for the roof over her head, do the
repairs, kill the pests, and take out the trash...yet it is "unfair"
and "sexist" if everything else isn't shared equally
Hatter
That's certainly not been my experience.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
15 Aug 2007 03:20:08 PM |
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On Aug 15, 9:07 am, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
<Snip>
Yeah the unfortunate position of being male nowadays. You are still
expected to pick up the check,pay the utility bills, take care of auto
and appliance maitenence, pay for the roof over her head, do the
repairs, kill the pests, and take out the trash...yet it is "unfair"
and "sexist" if everything else isn't shared equally
Good grief, Hatter, what kind of gals are you hanging around with???
I was taught to share the check on dates (or alternate picking up the
tab on successive dates), contribute money from my paycheck towards
the utilities and the mortgage, and generally pull my weight around
the house. (Which I do. Unless a cockroach is involved, in which
case, I call for male intervention. ;-> ) That's how my parents
handled their marriage, and it worked out real well for them for 56
years.
Where are you guys finding these wimmin who get you to do everything/
pay for everything? <G> Man, I need to take some lessons. <G>
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
15 Aug 2007 09:26:33 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:20:08 -0700, skyeyes <skyeyes@dakotacom.net>
wrote:
contribute money from my paycheck towards the utilities and the mortgage
"Contribute"? Ever hear of a joint account? :)
I was always taught that, unless it had use only for a specific
gender, what a married couple owned came under the category of "ours".
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
16 Aug 2007 08:42:41 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:20:08 -0700, skyeyes <skyeyes@dakotacom.net>
wrote:
contribute money from my paycheck towards the utilities and the mortgage
"Contribute"? Ever hear of a joint account? :)
My husband and I have separate accounts. He pays certain things and I pay
certain things. Other than that, what we spend our money on is our
business.
I was always taught that, unless it had use only for a specific
gender, what a married couple owned came under the category of "ours".
Guess it's different for everyone - We don't have a lot of "ours" with the
exception of some furniture ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Ferrous Patella" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
15 Aug 2007 04:14:57 PM |
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news:1187194034.112177.268230@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com by Hatter:
Yeah the unfortunate position of being male nowadays. You are still
expected to pick up the check,pay the utility bills,
My wife earns 3 times what I do. She picks up the check, pays the morgage,
etc.. She just bought me a car last week.
take care of auto and appliance maitenence,
Yep, my job
pay for the roof over her head,
see above
do the repairs,
My job
kill the pests,
She can (and does) catch mice with her bare hands. (Actually, she has a
PhD in mice.
and take out the trash...
Kid's job.
yet it is "unfair" and "sexist" if everything else isn't shared equally
She is quite nice about lettimg me go out own my own (usually to coach the
girls' wrestling team at the local high school) while she gets stuck at
home.
You need to get yourself another universe.
--
"Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever."
Annual English Teachers' awards for best student
metaphors/analogies found in actual student papers
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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15 Aug 2007 03:09:24 PM |
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On Aug 14, 8:56 pm, "ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
<Snippage>
Modern girls don't sew. Never mind this religious nonsense. I have never
been able to get any of my women to repair even simple clothing problems,
like sewing a button on. At least the one I have now can cook, whatever her
other faults, like being a know-it-all.
Er, Ike? It is a scientifically proven fact that your ***** won't fall
off if you pick up a needle and thread. Learn to sew your own damn
buttons on.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
15 Aug 2007 09:54:56 PM |
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"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:1187208564.087879.297250@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 14, 8:56 pm, "ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
<Snippage>
Modern girls don't sew. Never mind this religious nonsense. I have never
been able to get any of my women to repair even simple clothing problems,
like sewing a button on. At least the one I have now can cook, whatever
her
other faults, like being a know-it-all.
Er, Ike? It is a scientifically proven fact that your ***** won't fall
off if you pick up a needle and thread. Learn to sew your own damn
buttons on.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
I do as bad a job as she does.
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| User: "Siobhan Burke" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists ready to train the little woman |
17 Aug 2007 11:59:38 AM |
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In article <1187208564.087879.297250
@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, says...
On Aug 14, 8:56 pm, "ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
<Snippage>
Modern girls don't sew. Never mind this religious nonsense. I have never
been able to get any of my women to repair even simple clothing problems,
like sewing a button on. At least the one I have now can cook, whatever her
other faults, like being a know-it-all.
Er, Ike? It is a scientifically proven fact that your ***** won't fall
off if you pick up a needle and thread. Learn to sew your own damn
buttons on.
I actually even taught a male friend to knit so he could make
his own Dr. Who-type scarf. I assure you, nothing of his fell
off. He never even dropped a stitch.
--
Siobhan - alt.atheism list #2201
hellflower.alMayne@earthlink.net (Now a real address, if you ice
the alMayne.)
Just keep walking, preacher-man. --River Tam
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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17 Aug 2007 06:12:48 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:59:38 GMT there was an Ancient Siobhan Burke
<hellflower.alMayne@earthlink.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
In article <1187208564.087879.297250
@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, says...
On Aug 14, 8:56 pm, "ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
<Snippage>
Modern girls don't sew. Never mind this religious nonsense. I have never
been able to get any of my women to repair even simple clothing problems,
like sewing a button on. At least the one I have now can cook, whatever her
other faults, like being a know-it-all.
Er, Ike? It is a scientifically proven fact that your ***** won't fall
off if you pick up a needle and thread. Learn to sew your own damn
buttons on.
I actually even taught a male friend to knit so he could make
his own Dr. Who-type scarf. I assure you, nothing of his fell
off. He never even dropped a stitch.
How many feet was his scarf? Mine is 23 feet, but I can't claim to
have knitted it myself.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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18 Aug 2007 04:14:05 AM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:cqacc3lnjhsb6d2sea0725av2arl1cofqr@4ax.com...
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:59:38 GMT there was an Ancient Siobhan Burke
<hellflower.alMayne@earthlink.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
In article <1187208564.087879.297250
@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, says...
On Aug 14, 8:56 pm, "ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
<Snippage>
Modern girls don't sew. Never mind this religious nonsense. I have
never
been able to get any of my women to repair even simple clothing
problems,
like sewing a button on. At least the one I have now can cook,
whatever her
other faults, like being a know-it-all.
Er, Ike? It is a scientifically proven fact that your ***** won't fall
off if you pick up a needle and thread. Learn to sew your own damn
buttons on.
I actually even taught a male friend to knit so he could make
his own Dr. Who-type scarf. I assure you, nothing of his fell
off. He never even dropped a stitch.
How many feet was his scarf? Mine is 23 feet, but I can't claim to
have knitted it myself.
Size isn't everything!
Sorry ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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