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"Gandalf Grey" |
| Date: |
12 Sep 2006 06:53:15 PM |
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Barwell Called on Another Lie: Lie 1 |
You've been dancing away from quite a few lies for quite a while, Barney.
Since you seem interested in playing the wounded party, it's time to call in
the markers.
When are you going to respond to this one?
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Jordan wrote:
You seem to be a bit deluded as to the activities of US Presidents
regarding the Vietnam War. Large-scale American involvement in the war
began under Kennedy and Johnson. Nixon ran on a platform of getting
America out of the war, a promise he fulfilled in his second term. But
I can understand how you can get this wrong -- the Democrats seem
determined to forget LBJ's foreign policy!
His secret bombings certainly were us being
out of the war.
Basically, it was not the churches that did anything,
You're a liar as history shows.
http://encyclopedia.com/html/p/pacifism.asp
Motivations
One of the strongest motivations in the promotion of peace has been
religion, the objection to war being, in general, based on the belief that
the willful taking of human life is wrong. The Eastern religions, especially
Buddhism, decry war and advocate nonresistance. There has also been a strong
pacifistic element in Judaism and Christianity. The Sermon on the Mount, in
particular, contains a strong exhortation to peace. The church generally
voiced opposition to war as such (with the notable exception of the
Crusades); in the Middle Ages the truce of God was the outcome of
ecclesiastical attempts to halt private warfare. Some later sects-especially
the Anabaptists, Quakers, Moravians, Dukhobors, and Mennonites-have elevated
nonresistance to a doctrinal position.
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Papers Project: Encyclopedia King formally
announced his opposition to the Vietnam War during the Ninth ... Addressing
a crowd of 3000 people in Riverside Church in New York City, ...
www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king/encyclopedia/vietnam.htm - 8k -
Cached - Similar pages
1965-1973: GI opposition the Vietnam War - Howard Zinn | libcom.org
Historian Howard Zinn on the opposition to the Vietnam War by American
soldiers. ... the military authorities by taking "sanctuary" in churches,
where, ...
libcom.org/library/soldiers-opposition-to-vietnam-war-zinn - 24k -
Cached - Similar pages
Left and Vietnam War Accommodating to church and liberal opposition to the
War amongst students and academics, commentary on foreign policy and Vietnam
from late 1965 gave ...
www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/interventions/leftvietnam.htm - 88k -
Cached - Similar pages
Conscientious Objection: Information From Answers.com Members of peace
churches who refused to fight or help build fortifications ... During the
Vietnam War, Selective Service denied exemption to conscientious ...
www.answers.com/topic/conscientious-objection - 43k - Cached - Similar
pages
[ More results from www.answers.com ]
H-Net Editors Directory - Mitchell K. Hall "CALCAV and Religious Opposition
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www.h-net.org/people/editors/show.cgi?ID=124514 - 10k - Cached -
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participated in the ... and corporate actions that awakened Catholic
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That ...
In the twentieth century our church gave formal support to
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the Second World War as ...
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- 42k - Cached - Similar pages
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1 Recently, a "Clergymen's Emergency Committee for Vietnam," representing
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war. ...
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....
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Gandy lies about Vietnam. |
13 Sep 2006 08:28:19 AM |
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
His secret bombings certainly were us being
out of the war.
Basically, it was not the churches that did anything,
You're a liar as history shows.
Nixon - 60% of the vote during his re-election
and the war went on.
Christians voted for war.
later, Reagan would support mass muderers like Riso Montt, Pol Pot,
D'Aubisson of El Slavador, Saddam Hussein and the churches
never bothered to stand up and forcefull draw the line.
35 years of rank Chridstian faiure in America.
You dare not admit that sad, sad truth.
You are a moral failure too, arent you?
--
Where did all these braindead morons come from!
What diseased sewer did they breed in and how did
they manage to find their way out on their own?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: Barwell Continues his lies about Vietnam. |
13 Sep 2006 12:22:54 PM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12gg1sv8kbpoec3@corp.supernews.com...
On the peace movement during the Vietnam War
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12f6pbesv6ltr97@corp.supernews.com...
Basically, it was not the churches that did anything,
You're a liar as history shows.
http://encyclopedia.com/html/p/pacifism.asp
Motivations
One of the strongest motivations in the promotion of peace has been
religion, the objection to war being, in general, based on the belief that
the willful taking of human life is wrong. The Eastern religions, especially
Buddhism, decry war and advocate nonresistance. There has also been a strong
pacifistic element in Judaism and Christianity. The Sermon on the Mount, in
particular, contains a strong exhortation to peace. The church generally
voiced opposition to war as such (with the notable exception of the
Crusades); in the Middle Ages the truce of God was the outcome of
ecclesiastical attempts to halt private warfare. Some later sects-especially
the Anabaptists, Quakers, Moravians, Dukhobors, and Mennonites-have elevated
nonresistance to a doctrinal position.
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Papers Project: Encyclopedia King formally
announced his opposition to the Vietnam War during the Ninth ... Addressing
a crowd of 3000 people in Riverside Church in New York City, ...
www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king/encyclopedia/vietnam.htm - 8k -
Cached - Similar pages
1965-1973: GI opposition the Vietnam War - Howard Zinn | libcom.org
Historian Howard Zinn on the opposition to the Vietnam War by American
soldiers. ... the military authorities by taking "sanctuary" in churches,
where, ...
libcom.org/library/soldiers-opposition-to-vietnam-war-zinn - 24k -
Cached - Similar pages
Left and Vietnam War Accommodating to church and liberal opposition to the
War amongst students and academics, commentary on foreign policy and Vietnam
from late 1965 gave ...
www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/interventions/leftvietnam.htm - 88k -
Cached - Similar pages
Conscientious Objection: Information From Answers.com Members of peace
churches who refused to fight or help build fortifications ... During the
Vietnam War, Selective Service denied exemption to conscientious ...
www.answers.com/topic/conscientious-objection - 43k - Cached - Similar
pages
[ More results from www.answers.com ]
H-Net Editors Directory - Mitchell K. Hall "CALCAV and Religious Opposition
to the Vietnam War," in Melvin Small and ... "A Withdrawal from Peace: The
Historical Response to War of the Church of God ...
www.h-net.org/people/editors/show.cgi?ID=124514 - 10k - Cached -
Similar pages
Legendary liberal WW Finlator fought segregation, poverty, war Finlator,
longtime pastor of Pullen Memorial Baptist Church in Raleigh, ... including
opposition to the Vietnam War, support for women's rights, ...
www.abpnews.com/1307.article - 11k - Cached - Similar pages
Dorothy Day, Peter Maurin and the Catholic Worker Movement ... Dorothy Day,
Prophet of Pacifism for the Catholic Church ... The influence of the
Catholic Worker during the Vietnam War is explored in detail in American ...
www.cjd.org/paper/pacifism.html - 26k - Cached - Similar pages
Roman Catholic Mary Moylan (Vietnam War resister) a nurse who in 1968
participated in the ... and corporate actions that awakened Catholic
opposition to the Vietnam War. ...
www.soulforce.org/article/95 - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
United Church of Christ News - John Thomas: 'A United Church
That ...
In the twentieth century our church gave formal support to
conscientious objectors, not just during the Vietnam conflict, but during
the Second World War as ...
news.ucc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=580&Itemid=56
- 42k - Cached - Similar pages
TIME.com: Speaking Out on Foreign Policy -- Jul 30, 1965 -- Page
1 Recently, a "Clergymen's Emergency Committee for Vietnam," representing
3000 ... A radical minority would commit the churches to total opposition to
war. ...
www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,834069,00.html -
Similar pages
HOLY OBEDIENCE: Corporate Discipline and Individual Leading
Friends were increasingly willing as the Vietnam War progressed to join with
a wide variety of church, pacifist and other antiwar groups in attempting to
....
www.hwcn.org/link/hmm/nl/archive/d1.htm - 27k - Cached -
Similar pages
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Gandy loses again and again. Lies. All lies. Can't shake bad metaphysics claim. |
13 Sep 2006 02:35:39 PM |
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Nixon - 60% of the vote during his re-election
and the war went on.
Christians voted for war.
Later, Reagan would support mass muderers like Riso Montt, Pol Pot,
D'Aubisson of El Slavador, Saddam Hussein and the churches
never bothered to stand up and forcefull draw the line.
35 years of rank Christian failure in America.
You dare not admit that sad, sad truth.
You are a moral failure too, arent you?
---
Gandy challenge - day 01 - Process metaphysics is basis of science?
September 11 - Gandy Grey:
As opposed to someone like you who never worked anything out, Whitehead's
philosophy is now acclaimed as the philosophy behind modern science.
There is not a single well known leading scientist that
can be quoted with a specific quote that says that at all.
Show us a quote from any really famous physicists that
say that; "Whitehead's philosophy is now acclaimed as the
philosophy behind modern science."
Or admit you are wrong and had no idea what you were babbling
about when you posted you foolish and false claim!
SPECIFIC QUOTES! FROM WELL KNOWN WORKING SCIENTISTS!
Put them here.
---------------->
I will post this challenge ever day until you comply, to show you are
a lying, stupid *****. Or until you admit you shot your intellectually
incompetent mouth off with having any reason to have made your foolish
claim and admit this was a gross error on your part.
--
Where did all these braindead morons come from!
What diseased sewer did they breed in and how did
they manage to find their way out on their own?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: Barwell loses again and again. Lies. All lies. |
13 Sep 2006 03:08:37 PM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12gggnsiuima8eb@corp.supernews.com...
In the end, no major religious denominations save the
usual Menonnites and Quakers came out against Vietnam.
That's a blatant lie.
Dorothy Day, Peter Maurin and the Catholic Worker Movement ... Dorothy Day,
Prophet of Pacifism for the Catholic Church ... The influence of the
Catholic Worker during the Vietnam War is explored in detail in American ...
www.cjd.org/paper/pacifism.html - 26k - Cached - Similar pages
Roman Catholic The Roman Catholic Church is the largest religious
institution in the United ... and corporate actions that awakened Catholic
opposition to the Vietnam War. ...
www.soulforce.org/article/95 - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
Research Advisory Service - Doe/Moffitt Libraries ... Catholic Church's
Position on Vietnam War & Daniel Berrigan; Healthcare-Cuba ... African
Americans & Education; Catholic Opposition to Birth Control ...
www.lib.berkeley.edu/doemoff/ras_topics.html - 19k - Cached - Similar
pages
Crisis Magazine A noticeable feature of Catholic opposition to the war was
that, outside America ... The second, more radical view thought that the
Vietnam War had revealed ...
www.crisismagazine.com/october2003/feature2.htm - 32k - Cached -
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were in the Vietnam War. ... of the United States Conference of Catholic
Bishops, hand-delivered a letter of opposition to ...
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Chapter 16 To the Catholic Church, however, Vietnam was more than a mere
stepping stone in ... The Catholic communities reacted in turn. From passive
opposition they ...
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Legendary liberal WW Finlator fought segregation, poverty, war Finlator,
longtime pastor of Pullen Memorial Baptist Church in Raleigh, ... including
opposition to the Vietnam War, support for women's rights, ...
www.abpnews.com/1307.article - 11k - Cached - Similar pages
Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break Silence - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr
Declaration of Independence from the War in Vietnam. Delivered by Dr. Martin
Luther King Jr April 1967 At Manhattan's Riverside Church ...
www.commondreams.org/views04/0115-13.htm - 37k - Cached - Similar
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First Baptist Church - History First Baptist declared its opposition to the
deportation of "refugees as long as persecution, torture and murder of
civilians continued." The church has ...
www.firstbaptistithaca.org/history.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages
Opposition to the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The executive
committee of World Council of Churches, an organization joined by churches
.... Opposition to US foreign policy · Opposition to the Vietnam War ...
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| User: "Emmanual Kann" |
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| Title: Re: Gandy loses again and again. Lies. All lies. Can't shake bad metaphysics claim. |
17 Sep 2006 02:16:56 PM |
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An Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:35:39 -0500, wcb hat geschreibt:
Nixon - 60% of the vote during his re-election
and the war went on.
Nixon ran against the war, but he governed for the war. In his reelection
campaign he had a "secret plan" to end the war. Had Nixon ran for the
war, he wouldn't have been elected. He was a liar, and so are you.
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Gandy loses again and again. Lies. All lies. Can't shake bad metaphysics claim. |
17 Sep 2006 05:34:03 PM |
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Emmanual Kann wrote:
An Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:35:39 -0500, wcb hat geschreibt:
Nixon - 60% of the vote during his re-election
and the war went on.
Nixon ran against the war, but he governed for the war. In his reelection
campaign he had a "secret plan" to end the war. Had Nixon ran for the
war, he wouldn't have been elected. He was a liar, and so are you.
His plan to end the war seemed to involve massive bombing and illegal
bombing of Cambodia.
His plan was to Vietnamize the war since American youth were no longer
going to be passive cannon fodder and people were begining to burn things.
In the end none of this made any difference at all.
His secret plan turned out t be a fraud, and most of us knew it
at the time. He refused to tell us this secret plan. I suspect
most people knew it was scam, a lie.
Something said for sheer politics.
More bombings, more war, more horrors.
Who believed otherwise?
We all knew the war would go on.
And it did until we fled with people hanging
on to helicopter landing skids.
--
You are a fluke of the Universe
You have no right to be here,
and whether you can hear it or not,
the Universe is laughing behind your back.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: Barwell loses again and again. Lies. All lies. Can't shake bad metaphysics claim. |
17 Sep 2006 06:15:03 PM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12grjcfh90nhh90@corp.supernews.com...
Emmanual Kann wrote:
An Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:35:39 -0500, wcb hat geschreibt:
Nixon - 60% of the vote during his re-election
and the war went on.
Nixon ran against the war, but he governed for the war. In his
reelection
campaign he had a "secret plan" to end the war. Had Nixon ran for the
war, he wouldn't have been elected. He was a liar, and so are you.
His plan to end the war seemed to involve massive bombing and illegal
bombing of Cambodia.
And all sorts of people supported him.
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| User: "Emmanual Kann" |
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| Title: Re: Barwell loses again and again. Lies. All lies. Can't shake bad metaphysics claim. |
17 Sep 2006 09:12:17 PM |
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An Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:15:03 +0000, Gandalf Grey hat geschreibt:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12grjcfh90nhh90@corp.supernews.com...
Emmanual Kann wrote:
An Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:35:39 -0500, wcb hat geschreibt:
Nixon - 60% of the vote during his re-election
and the war went on.
Nixon ran against the war, but he governed for the war. In his
reelection
campaign he had a "secret plan" to end the war. Had Nixon ran for the
war, he wouldn't have been elected. He was a liar, and so are you.
His plan to end the war seemed to involve massive bombing and illegal
bombing of Cambodia.
And all sorts of people supported him.
True. He had the anti war sheep who believed his lies and he had the anti
communist vote that he had hard won to his cause in the McCarthy era.
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: Barwell loses again and again. Lies. All lies. Can't shake bad metaphysics claim. |
17 Sep 2006 10:25:35 PM |
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"Emmanual Kann" <kann@keinspam.de> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.09.18.02.13.25.363150@keinspam.de...
An Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:15:03 +0000, Gandalf Grey hat geschreibt:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12grjcfh90nhh90@corp.supernews.com...
Emmanual Kann wrote:
An Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:35:39 -0500, wcb hat geschreibt:
Nixon - 60% of the vote during his re-election
and the war went on.
Nixon ran against the war, but he governed for the war. In his
reelection
campaign he had a "secret plan" to end the war. Had Nixon ran for the
war, he wouldn't have been elected. He was a liar, and so are you.
His plan to end the war seemed to involve massive bombing and illegal
bombing of Cambodia.
And all sorts of people supported him.
True. He had the anti war sheep who believed his lies and he had the anti
communist vote that he had hard won to his cause in the McCarthy era.
Absolutely. Never underestimate the combined power of the bloodthirsty and
the gullible.
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