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Religions > Atheism |
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"Gandalf Grey" |
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29 May 2006 03:37:59 PM |
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Barwell's Ignorance of the World's Religions |
Over the course of the last three weeks, William Barwell has advanced what
he has called a universal disproof of the existence of god, which he
pretends to be derived from the 'necessary' characteristics of a class of
gods common to the worlds religions, but which, in fact, has nothing to do
[when in fact it is accidentally accurate] with the dogma of anything other
than a historical subspecies of Roman Catholicism prevalent in the dark ages
and represented in the works of Augustine, Thomas Aquinas and other medieval
theologians. This subspecies of theology was and is the combined result of
poor biblical scholarship due to a lack of accurate translations of the
original Hebrew texts, and the influence of Hellenistic philosophy as it was
understood at the time, and which is now commonly repudiated by all but the
most wild-eyed of modern protestant denominations.
Although Barwell pretends that his argument has nothing to do with numbers,
he has consistently appealed to numbers and popularity in an attempt to
legitimize his claims.
I thought it might be interesting to reveal the numbers not covered by
Barwell's argument. Since his argument is intended to be global and
logically universal, the value of such a survey should be self-evident.
Valid as of 2005, http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html, this
is a rough sampling of those religions containing assertions of god's
existence to which Barwell's arguments cannot even begin to apply. [my
apologies to those whose specific belief is not listed]
Islam 1.3 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Buddhism 708 million
Primal Indigenous 300 million
African Traditional 100 million
Shintoism 90 million
Sikhism 23 million
Spiritism 15 million
Judaism 15 million
Falun-Gong 10-100 million
Bahai 7 million
Jainism 4.2 million
Cao Dai 4 million
Zoroastrianism 2.6 million
Tenrikyo 2 million
Neo-paganism 1 million
Unitarian Universalist 800,000
Rasta 600,000
Some form of christianity weighs in at 2.1 billion with some form of
catholicism being in the majority by numbers alone.
As can be seen from this list, medieval scholastic catholicism's assertions
on the existence of God do not begin to represent the majority of the
world's assertions concerning the existence of god. Seen in this light, no
argument concerning popularity, tradition or numbers saves Barwell's
so-called universal disproof of the existence of god from the dustbin of
botched arguments.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Barwell's Ignorance of the World's Religions |
30 May 2006 01:21:20 AM |
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
Over the course of the last three weeks, William Barwell has advanced what
he has called a universal disproof of the existence of god, which he
pretends to be derived from the 'necessary' characteristics of a class of
gods common to the worlds religions, but which, in fact, has nothing to do
[when in fact it is accidentally accurate] with the dogma of anything
[other
than a historical subspecies of Roman Catholicism prevalent in the dark
ages and represented in the works of Augustine, Thomas Aquinas and other
medieval
theologians.
Luther presented us with the bible stripped of Cathoic "tradition"
and omnipotence, omniscience and omnibenevolence
are if anything, held to more strongly henceforth.
Luther was a biblical literalist.
The fundamental truth, for Luther, was the omnipotence of God, and its
corollary, predestination. Luther embraced absolute predestination,
claiming, as he did, that anything else was an illogical, almost
blasphemous limitation on the sovereign will of God. In this sense Luther
forsake the faculty on man's free will. Man has no control over his
personal salvation. Man is always under the control of God or the Devil.
However, God controls everything. He chooses who he wants to save, and
turns he rest over to the Devil. Therefore, in this scheme of total
predestination Christ did not die for all men, but just for those who God
determined would be saved. In making such a declaration Luther was aware
that he had eliminated the necessity of the sacraments, sermons, and even
incarnation itself. He attempted resolving these difficulties but was never
successful in doing so because he would never submit to any limitation upon
the will of God in his teachings. Luther's declaration that that God
determined whom he would save made little difference among his followers
because they, like Luther, knew God had chosen to save them.
Calvanism followed, and nowhere was omnipotence, omniscience and
omnipotence abandoned until 18th century modernist, liberal religion
started questioning biblical claims. Today, few denomibnations hold to
liberalism of this sort.
You are as usual, deeply ignorant.
This subspecies of theology was and is the combined result
of poor biblical scholarship due to a lack of accurate translations of the
original Hebrew texts, and the influence of Hellenistic philosophy as it
was understood at the time, and which is now commonly repudiated by all
but the most wild-eyed of modern protestant denominations.
Although Barwell pretends that his argument has nothing to do with
numbers, he has consistently appealed to numbers and popularity in an
attempt to legitimize his claims.
I thought it might be interesting to reveal the numbers not covered by
Barwell's argument. Since his argument is intended to be global and
logically universal, the value of such a survey should be self-evident.
Valid as of 2005, http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html,
this is a rough sampling of those religions containing assertions of god's
existence to which Barwell's arguments cannot even begin to apply. [my
apologies to those whose specific belief is not listed]
Islam 1.3 billion
Islam dogmatically hold god is omniscient, omnipotent,
and omnibenevolent.
Islam is dogmatically predestinarian (qadar).
Gandy's geat ignorance and 3rd grade lever incompetence is noted.
Islam holds to the omni-everything, creator god.
Hinduism: 900 million
Brahman is all, he sends us avatars who themselves send sub
avatars to guide man. Vishnu, Siva, Krshna. Not unlike sending
Jesus.cJesus is god, the avatars are Brahman, god.
Brahamn created all, he is good, he is omnibenevolent,
he is omniscient. This is a basic style Hinduism
with many variations such as Christianity has Catholics,
Eastern Orthodox, Protestants, with variations on a theme.
Some are sophisticated, some the equivalent of low
grade fundies. Some sects hold some avatars more central
than others.
Again, Gandy is ignorant.
Buddhism 708 million
Atheistic except where corrupted by Hindu
ideas.
Again, ignoance.
Primal Indigenous 300 million
India, China, South America
Most nature gods and the like.
African Traditional 100 million
African traditional religions plus
Voodoo, Macumba, similar
derived religions.
Again, nature gods, debunkable
Shintoism 90 million
Hardly. Japan is mainly secular, 12% say religion
is important in their lives. Shintoism is almost
exclusively Japanese. Many Japanese are Shintoists
only in culture and not religiously.
Shinto is a special case due to shrine-reporting versus self-reporting.
Since the 17th century, there have been laws in Japan requiring
registration with Shinto shrines. Because of this, 75-90% of all Japanese
are listed on shrine rolls, greatly inflating the apparent number of
adherents. When asked in polls, only about 3.3% of Japanese people identify
themselves as "Shinto."[5] However, many who do not consider themselves
"Shintoists" still practice Shinto rituals.
Sikhism 23 million
Spiritism 15 million
Judaism 15 million
Falun-Gong 10-100 million
Hardly religion if you consider god.
Like Mormonism, FG hints we can all become gods,
but it never really defines that idea clearly.
Its an outgrowth of the concept of spiritism,
we are spirits, after death we can become ghosts,
some powerful ghosts. Gods if you will.
Bahai 7 million
Jainism 4.2 million
Cao Dai 4 million
Zoroastrianism 2.6 million
Tenrikyo 2 million
Neo-paganism 1 million
Most neo-pagans take their paganism as very allegorical,
its really patheism with a veneer of rebellion against
Christian, Muslim style patriarchies.
Unitarian Universalist 800,000
Rasta 600,000
Such ignorance and irrelevancy.
Most of these lessor religions have nothingto do with
the Grand God I debunk, and belong to other classes,
that are themselves, debunkable.
Nature gods have no room left for them
because of science. Some African tribal rain god
is very irrelevant to anything, science explains rain.
--
"Its the hit dog what yelps."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: Barwell's Ignorance of the World's Religions |
30 May 2006 11:16:00 AM |
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"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
Over the course of the last three weeks, William Barwell has advanced
what
he has called a universal disproof of the existence of god, which he
pretends to be derived from the 'necessary' characteristics of a class of
gods common to the worlds religions, but which, in fact, has nothing to
do
[when in fact it is accidentally accurate] with the dogma of anything
[other
than a historical subspecies of Roman Catholicism prevalent in the dark
ages and represented in the works of Augustine, Thomas Aquinas and other
medieval
theologians.
Luther presented us with the bible stripped of Cathoic "tradition"
and omnipotence, omniscience and omnibenevolence
are if anything, held to more strongly henceforth.
Luther was a biblical literalist.
Luther completely rejected Free Will, Barwell, as did Calvin.
Free will is one of your 8 points.
Luther also implicitely denied that God is Omnibenevolent, as did Calvin.
Both of these theologians specified that it was not man's business to ask
questions about the higher justice of god that would allow evil in the
world.
Hence your 8 point class fails again, even for Christianity. And what are
we going to do about the rest of the world's religions?
You are as usual, deeply ignorant.
An odd statement for a guy who seems to have missed the repudiation of both
free will and omnibenevolence by two of the reformation's most powerful
representatives.
Do I have to post direct quotes, Barwell?
Be careful now.
This subspecies of theology was and is the combined result
of poor biblical scholarship due to a lack of accurate translations of
the
original Hebrew texts, and the influence of Hellenistic philosophy as it
was understood at the time, and which is now commonly repudiated by all
but the most wild-eyed of modern protestant denominations.
Although Barwell pretends that his argument has nothing to do with
numbers, he has consistently appealed to numbers and popularity in an
attempt to legitimize his claims.
I thought it might be interesting to reveal the numbers not covered by
Barwell's argument. Since his argument is intended to be global and
logically universal, the value of such a survey should be self-evident.
Valid as of 2005, http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html,
this is a rough sampling of those religions containing assertions of
god's
existence to which Barwell's arguments cannot even begin to apply. [my
apologies to those whose specific belief is not listed]
Islam 1.3 billion
Islam dogmatically hold god is omniscient, omnipotent,
and omnibenevolent.
Not in the hellenistic sense that your class argument presumes. It also
says little to nothing about your other points.
Hinduism: 900 million
Brahman is all
Barwell completely ignores the fact that there are three completely
different species of Hinduism and that they disagree ON NEARLY ALL POINTS.
Both Free will and Omniscience are explicitly denied in the Vedas, as is any
human conception of omnibenevolence.
Again, Gandy is ignorant.
Funny that Barwell wouldn't know about the deep divisions of Hinduism.
Buddhism 708 million
Atheistic except where corrupted by Hindu
ideas.
Obviously, Barwell has never heard of Pureland Buddhism practiced by a
growing number of Buddhists, which treats Buddha as god.
Again, ignoance.
Irony.
Primal Indigenous 300 million
India, China, South America
Most nature gods and the like.
None of which necessarily hold to Barwell's 8 points.
African Traditional 100 million
African traditional religions plus
Voodoo, Macumba, similar
derived religions.
Again, nature gods, debunkable
Not by your argument, Barwell. You're not going to dismiss the world's
religions by continuing to repeat the word "debunkable." You have to
actually debunk them.
Shintoism 90 million
Hardly.
Cite your proof.
Here's mine: http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html,
Japan is mainly secular
And all Japanese live in Japan?
, 12% say religion
is important in their lives. Shintoism is almost
exclusively Japanese. Many Japanese are Shintoists
only in culture and not religiously.
Proof? Cite?
Sikhism 23 million
Spiritism 15 million
Judaism 15 million
Falun-Gong 10-100 million
Hardly religion if you consider god.
What the hell does that even mean, Barwell?
This is an excellent example of why Barwell's arguments cannot be taken
seriously. He has in a single stroke written off the beliefs of up to 150
million human beings with the sentence fragment "if you consider god."
If you consider WHAT god?
Isn't the existence of god what you were to disprove, Barwell?
So now we see that anything that falls outside of your medieval scholastic
strawman argument can't be taken seriously ".....if you consider god....."
but that's exactly what you were to prove, Barwell.
Hence, you have NO DEFENCE AGAINST THE BALANCE OF THE WORLD'S RELIGIONS.
The only answer you have to up to 150 million possible assertions concerning
god is that they're "hardly religions if you consider god"
Do you have the slightest idea how idiotic you look right now?
Bahai 7 million
Jainism 4.2 million
Cao Dai 4 million
Zoroastrianism 2.6 million
Tenrikyo 2 million
Neo-paganism 1 million
Most neo-pagans take their paganism as very allegorical,
Yet, you can't fit them into your 8 point class and so cannot dismiss their
assertions. Further, Bahai is hardly an allegory based religion, nor is
Zoroastrianism, nor is Tenrikyo.
What is your answer to the fact that these millions of people have nothing
to do with your 8 point medieval god?
its really patheism with a veneer of rebellion against
Christian, Muslim style patriarchies.
Unitarian Universalist 800,000
Rasta 600,000
Such ignorance and irrelevancy.
Your ignorance is indeed astounding.
Most of these lessor religions have nothingto do with
the Grand God I debunk, and belong to other classes,
that are themselves, debunkable.
But your argument was to be a simple proof that NO GOD can exist, Barwell.
You said it yourself several times.
Now we find that no only does your argument not even refer to most of the
world's religions, it doesn't even refer to the religions you say it refers
to because most of the 8 points you define were rejected by the reformation.
So once again, we end up with an argument that applies only to the beliefs
of dead medieval catholic clerics.
Nature gods have no room left for them
Where have you proved that?
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Barwell's Ignorance of the World's Religions |
31 May 2006 01:41:33 AM |
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
Over the course of the last three weeks, William Barwell has advanced
what
he has called a universal disproof of the existence of god, which he
pretends to be derived from the 'necessary' characteristics of a class
of gods common to the worlds religions, but which, in fact, has nothing
to do
[when in fact it is accidentally accurate] with the dogma of anything
[other
than a historical subspecies of Roman Catholicism prevalent in the dark
ages and represented in the works of Augustine, Thomas Aquinas and other
medieval
theologians.
Luther presented us with the bible stripped of Cathoic "tradition"
and omnipotence, omniscience and omnibenevolence
are if anything, held to more strongly henceforth.
Luther was a biblical literalist.
Luther completely rejected Free Will, Barwell, as did Calvin.
No ***** Sherlock. As did Augustine in his last years and as does Islam.
Free will is one of your 8 points.
_God's_ free will you dumb *****!
Damn, yiou are one STUPID sunuvabitch, aren't you?
Now go back again and READ MY ESSAY!? What does it say!
"PART 1"
Now, go back and read the part how omniscience and
creatorship of all combine to deny OUR free will, and how that makes
all other claims about god incoherent and incomprehensible.
It whacks out mercy, love, sin, hell, heaven, salvation, damnation and much,
much more.
That dooms that god too, doesn't it?
Really, you are not thinking are you?
Paul, Luther and Calvin destroyed god's viability with predestination.
I will be going a MUCH fuller look at that problem in another essay.
Augustine's free will defense, still popular does not work.
Did you not grasp that?
Lack of free will and a god that creates everything destroys all else.
Your utter dullwittedness and inability to organize you thinking is so
distressing. And you keep screwing up, getting corrected and can't learn
from your pitiful experiences.
--
"Its the hit dog what yelps."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: Barwell's Ignorance of the World's Religions |
31 May 2006 06:19:39 AM |
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"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:127noocbsvs0u2d@corp.supernews.com...
Gandalf Grey wrote:
Over the course of the last three weeks, William Barwell has advanced
what
he has called a universal disproof of the existence of god, which he
pretends to be derived from the 'necessary' characteristics of a class
of gods common to the worlds religions, but which, in fact, has nothing
to do
[when in fact it is accidentally accurate] with the dogma of anything
[other
than a historical subspecies of Roman Catholicism prevalent in the dark
ages and represented in the works of Augustine, Thomas Aquinas and
other
medieval
theologians.
Luther presented us with the bible stripped of Cathoic "tradition"
and omnipotence, omniscience and omnibenevolence
are if anything, held to more strongly henceforth.
Luther was a biblical literalist.
Luther completely rejected Free Will, Barwell, as did Calvin.
No ***** Sherlock. As did Augustine in his last years and as does Islam.
Free will is one of your 8 points.
_God's_ free will you dumb *****!
It's god's free will I'm talking about, Barwell.
Damn, yiou are one STUPID sunuvabitch, aren't you?
And next to you, I look like a genius. That's the problem.
Now go back again and READ MY ESSAY!? What does it say!
"PART 1"
We note how you never seem to get past that point.
Now, go back and read the part how omniscience and
creatorship of all combine to deny OUR free will
and god's viz Liebniz.
, and how that makes
all other claims about god incoherent and incomprehensible.
Not all other claims, Barwell. Just claims related to those attributes that
are self-contradictory. That's what you never seem to be able to squeeze
into that horribly swollen mellon of yous.
It whacks out mercy, love, sin, hell, heaven, salvation, damnation and
much,
much more.
It doesn't whack out anything other than the contradictory terms.
That dooms that god too, doesn't it?
What god is that?
Really, you are not thinking are you?
Paul, Luther and Calvin destroyed god's viability with predestination.
Um, no. They just destroyed the medieval catholic scholastic god, Barwell
and only insofar as the contradictions go.
You seem once again to be confusing confusions in how god is described with
the possibility of god.
Why do you keep doing that?
Do you suppose it's because you never got beyond the scholastic god?
I will be going a MUCH fuller look at that problem in another essay.
Why bother. You've done a great job of debunking your entire argument right
at this level.
Augustine's free will defense, still popular does not work.
Did you not grasp that?
Pretty much every thinking person who's looked at it has grasped it,
Barwell. So what?
Lack of free will and a god that creates everything destroys all else.
What "all else" are you referring to, Barwell. The scholastic vision of god
is self-contradictory. That's just ONE VIEW OF GOD.
Your utter dullwittedness and inability to organize you thinking is so
distressing.
Back to the ad homs, I see.
You'd do better to reply to the rest of the criticisms that have already
debunked your argument.
Here they are again.
Hop to it.
This subspecies of theology was and is the combined result
of poor biblical scholarship due to a lack of accurate translations of
the
original Hebrew texts, and the influence of Hellenistic philosophy as it
was understood at the time, and which is now commonly repudiated by all
but the most wild-eyed of modern protestant denominations.
Although Barwell pretends that his argument has nothing to do with
numbers, he has consistently appealed to numbers and popularity in an
attempt to legitimize his claims.
I thought it might be interesting to reveal the numbers not covered by
Barwell's argument. Since his argument is intended to be global and
logically universal, the value of such a survey should be self-evident.
Valid as of 2005, http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html,
this is a rough sampling of those religions containing assertions of
god's
existence to which Barwell's arguments cannot even begin to apply. [my
apologies to those whose specific belief is not listed]
Islam 1.3 billion
Islam dogmatically hold god is omniscient, omnipotent,
and omnibenevolent.
Not in the hellenistic sense that your class argument presumes. It also
says little to nothing about your other points.
Hinduism: 900 million
Brahman is all
Barwell completely ignores the fact that there are three completely
different species of Hinduism and that they disagree ON NEARLY ALL POINTS.
Both Free will and Omniscience are explicitly denied in the Vedas, as is any
human conception of omnibenevolence.
Again, Gandy is ignorant.
Funny that Barwell wouldn't know about the deep divisions of Hinduism.
Buddhism 708 million
Atheistic except where corrupted by Hindu
ideas.
Obviously, Barwell has never heard of Pureland Buddhism practiced by a
growing number of Buddhists, which treats Buddha as god.
Again, ignoance.
Irony.
Primal Indigenous 300 million
India, China, South America
Most nature gods and the like.
None of which necessarily hold to Barwell's 8 points.
African Traditional 100 million
African traditional religions plus
Voodoo, Macumba, similar
derived religions.
Again, nature gods, debunkable
Not by your argument, Barwell. You're not going to dismiss the world's
religions by continuing to repeat the word "debunkable." You have to
actually debunk them.
Shintoism 90 million
Hardly.
Cite your proof.
Here's mine: http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html,
Japan is mainly secular
And all Japanese live in Japan?
, 12% say religion
is important in their lives. Shintoism is almost
exclusively Japanese. Many Japanese are Shintoists
only in culture and not religiously.
Proof? Cite?
Sikhism 23 million
Spiritism 15 million
Judaism 15 million
Falun-Gong 10-100 million
Hardly religion if you consider god.
What the hell does that even mean, Barwell?
This is an excellent example of why Barwell's arguments cannot be taken
seriously. He has in a single stroke written off the beliefs of up to 150
million human beings with the sentence fragment "if you consider god."
If you consider WHAT god?
Isn't the existence of god what you were to disprove, Barwell?
So now we see that anything that falls outside of your medieval scholastic
strawman argument can't be taken seriously ".....if you consider god....."
but that's exactly what you were to prove, Barwell.
Hence, you have NO DEFENCE AGAINST THE BALANCE OF THE WORLD'S RELIGIONS.
The only answer you have to up to 150 million possible assertions concerning
god is that they're "hardly religions if you consider god"
Do you have the slightest idea how idiotic you look right now?
Bahai 7 million
Jainism 4.2 million
Cao Dai 4 million
Zoroastrianism 2.6 million
Tenrikyo 2 million
Neo-paganism 1 million
Most neo-pagans take their paganism as very allegorical,
Yet, you can't fit them into your 8 point class and so cannot dismiss their
assertions. Further, Bahai is hardly an allegory based religion, nor is
Zoroastrianism, nor is Tenrikyo.
What is your answer to the fact that these millions of people have nothing
to do with your 8 point medieval god?
its really patheism with a veneer of rebellion against
Christian, Muslim style patriarchies.
Unitarian Universalist 800,000
Rasta 600,000
Such ignorance and irrelevancy.
Your ignorance is indeed astounding.
Most of these lessor religions have nothingto do with
the Grand God I debunk, and belong to other classes,
that are themselves, debunkable.
But your argument was to be a simple proof that NO GOD can exist, Barwell.
You said it yourself several times.
Now we find that no only does your argument not even refer to most of the
world's religions, it doesn't even refer to the religions you say it refers
to because most of the 8 points you define were rejected by the reformation.
So once again, we end up with an argument that applies only to the beliefs
of dead medieval catholic clerics.
Nature gods have no room left for them
Where have you proved that?
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: Barwell's Ignorance of the World's Religions |
31 May 2006 05:39:30 AM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Gandalf Grey wrote:
"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:127noocbsvs0u2d@corp.supernews.com...
Gandalf Grey wrote:
Over the course of the last three weeks, William Barwell has advanced
what
he has called a universal disproof of the existence of god, which he
pretends to be derived from the 'necessary' characteristics of a class
of gods common to the worlds religions, but which, in fact, has nothing
to do
[when in fact it is accidentally accurate] with the dogma of anything
[other
than a historical subspecies of Roman Catholicism prevalent in the dark
ages and represented in the works of Augustine, Thomas Aquinas and other
medieval
theologians.
Luther presented us with the bible stripped of Cathoic "tradition"
and omnipotence, omniscience and omnibenevolence
are if anything, held to more strongly henceforth.
Luther was a biblical literalist.
Luther completely rejected Free Will, Barwell, as did Calvin.
Your utter dullwittedness and inability to organize you thinking is so
distressing. And you keep screwing up, getting corrected and can't learn
from your pitiful experiences.
{crackpot nonsense snipped}
--
"Its the hit dog what yelps."
- Mark Twain
Heck, Charles, you even have to make up quotes and attribute them
falsely.
You're pathetic.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Barwell's Ignorance of the World's Religions |
30 May 2006 02:19:36 AM |
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"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
Over the course of the last three weeks, William Barwell has advanced
what
<snip>
Luther presented us with the bible stripped of Cathoic "tradition"
There's no need to respond to a ***** troll.
--
rb
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: Barwell's Ignorance of the World's Religions |
30 May 2006 06:23:08 AM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Gandalf Grey wrote:
Over the course of the last three weeks, William Barwell has advanced what
he has called a universal disproof of the existence of god, which he
pretends to be derived from the 'necessary' characteristics of a class of
gods common to the worlds religions, but which, in fact, has nothing to do
[when in fact it is accidentally accurate] with the dogma of anything
[other
than a historical subspecies of Roman Catholicism prevalent in the dark
ages and represented in the works of Augustine, Thomas Aquinas and other
medieval
theologians.
Again, Gandy is ignorant.
Two crackpots "debunking" each others crackpottery.
Can't beat it for entertainment!
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