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"Bill" |
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08 Feb 2006 12:27:16 PM |
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BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
Posted 02-08-06
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation, for
the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God. There is no objective verifiable evidence that the stories
in the Bibles are historical fact. In fact THE Bibles are mostly myths,
fables and impossible stories like Noah's Ark and other nonsense.
There is NO objective evidence that the Bibles are the word of ANY God and
if they are he was truly a confused, erratic, dishonest and irrational story
teller.
There are no originals in existence. They are all hand copies and
modifications of copies of copies etc. with alterations, additions and
deletions to suite the transcribers motives. The printing press was not even
invented until the 16Th. Century and the latest Bible copies date back 1,400
years and more before the invention of the printing press. The present book
of Bibles were assembled from numerous documents chosen by self interested
church leaders. The kept what they liked and discarded, and sometimes
destroyed, what they did not like. They are not all or even most of the
ancient religious documents.
Here is a list of just the ENGLISH translations of these old and
unauthenticated Bibles. Which are the correct ones? And were the copies they
translated from accurate translations of the originals? NO originals exist.
NO ONE knows.
There are eighteen different English translations alone:
New American Standard
New International Version
Amplified Bible
New Living Translation
King James Version
Contemporary English Version
New King James Version
21 St. Century King James Version
New International Version
American Standard Version
Holman Christian Version
New Life Version
Darby Translation
Young's Literal Translation
New International Readers Version
World English Bible
New Revised Standard Version
The Jerusalem Bible
The evidence is that these Bibles, written and copied by over 150 men over a
period of over 2500 years are nothing but a combination of faulty history,
myths, folklore and legends.
It is very likely that these ancient documents were doctored and altered to
enhance the power of the clerics of the time. Many of these writings come
from fraud, interpolations, myths and hearsay.
There is NO objective evidence that they are accurate history or the words
of any God.
Religion built on the stories in the Bibles is a religion built on myths and
quick sand.
There are a plentitude of different religious documents that proclaim the
validity of various Gods. Which, if any, are correct?
Major sacred texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further copied,
over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and selfish
motivations. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy. The
objective evidence is that they are a mixture of faulty history, myth,
folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate essentially with the whole world via TV, the
Internet, Mobile Phone and Radio. If there is a REAL God, why does he not
announce to the whole world, from his heaven, that he is the real God and
all the others are fakes. And tell us clearly and directly what he expects
from us instead of using hundreds of vague, ancient and contradictory
documents compiled by dozens of different religions.
The objective evidence is that God did not create man but that man created
Gods (and the Bibles).
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| User: "Darrell Stec" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
10 Feb 2006 10:12:42 AM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 10 February 2006 8:51 am
jambok perhaps from wrote:
Only one religion Christianity claims the God becam man and died for
our sins and AROSE FROM THE DEAD.
Christianity does not claim the god "AROSE FROM THE DEAD." Perhaps some
ignorant practitioners of Christianity do. Please check your bible.
The oily one was raised from the dead. He didn't do it of his own
volition and power. Big daddy in the sky had to raise him. It helps if
you understand your own religion.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
10 Feb 2006 08:15:44 AM |
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jambok wrote:
Only one religion Christianity claims the God becam man and died for
our sins and AROSE FROM THE DEAD.
Not so. Arising god-men are parts of many religions. And even if it
would be the case: so what?
RS
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| User: "Josh" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
09 Feb 2006 07:35:21 AM |
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Though the Bible may offer useful advice on living on some of its pages
which anyone would accept, other parts are simply nonsense: Noah and the
Ark is an obvious example. It is just a nice story. As a contributor wrote
recently, how did Noah get the kangaroos back to Australia?
So what do Bible believers do? They pick the bits that suit and ignore the
rest. Here's a perfect example: Thou shalt not kill.
If that commandment is taken at its face value, as I always thought it
should be, not one Christian - or Jew or Muslim - should have killed a
single other human being since that commandment was issued, yet the Old
Testament alone chronicles wars between different tribes.
Now reflect on all the religious persecution of history, and the hostility
still splattered on our newspapers today. The religious are still busy
selecting the bits of religion that suit their earthly needs, and
conveniently ignoring the rest. What hypocricy!
Regards, Josh
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:AHqGf.735$pM6.411@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Posted 02-08-06
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation,
for
the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God. There is no objective verifiable evidence that the
stories
in the Bibles are historical fact. In fact THE Bibles are mostly myths,
fables and impossible stories like Noah's Ark and other nonsense.
There is NO objective evidence that the Bibles are the word of ANY God and
if they are he was truly a confused, erratic, dishonest and irrational
story
teller.
There are no originals in existence. They are all hand copies and
modifications of copies of copies etc. with alterations, additions and
deletions to suite the transcribers motives. The printing press was not
even
invented until the 16Th. Century and the latest Bible copies date back
1,400
years and more before the invention of the printing press. The present
book
of Bibles were assembled from numerous documents chosen by self interested
church leaders. The kept what they liked and discarded, and sometimes
destroyed, what they did not like. They are not all or even most of the
ancient religious documents.
Here is a list of just the ENGLISH translations of these old and
unauthenticated Bibles. Which are the correct ones? And were the copies
they
translated from accurate translations of the originals? NO originals
exist.
NO ONE knows.
There are eighteen different English translations alone:
New American Standard
New International Version
Amplified Bible
New Living Translation
King James Version
Contemporary English Version
New King James Version
21 St. Century King James Version
New International Version
American Standard Version
Holman Christian Version
New Life Version
Darby Translation
Young's Literal Translation
New International Readers Version
World English Bible
New Revised Standard Version
The Jerusalem Bible
The evidence is that these Bibles, written and copied by over 150 men over
a
period of over 2500 years are nothing but a combination of faulty history,
myths, folklore and legends.
It is very likely that these ancient documents were doctored and altered
to
enhance the power of the clerics of the time. Many of these writings come
from fraud, interpolations, myths and hearsay.
There is NO objective evidence that they are accurate history or the words
of any God.
Religion built on the stories in the Bibles is a religion built on myths
and
quick sand.
There are a plentitude of different religious documents that proclaim the
validity of various Gods. Which, if any, are correct?
Major sacred texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further copied,
over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and selfish
motivations. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy. The
objective evidence is that they are a mixture of faulty history, myth,
folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate essentially with the whole world via TV, the
Internet, Mobile Phone and Radio. If there is a REAL God, why does he not
announce to the whole world, from his heaven, that he is the real God and
all the others are fakes. And tell us clearly and directly what he expects
from us instead of using hundreds of vague, ancient and contradictory
documents compiled by dozens of different religions.
The objective evidence is that God did not create man but that man created
Gods (and the Bibles).
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
09 Feb 2006 04:25:26 PM |
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"Josh" <jh@jillywoods.ABCkaroo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:-9mdnaEO7rWX2HbeSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk...
Though the Bible may offer useful advice on living on some of its pages
which anyone would accept, other parts are simply nonsense: Noah and the
Ark is an obvious example. It is just a nice story. As a contributor
wrote
recently, how did Noah get the kangaroos back to Australia?
So what do Bible believers do? They pick the bits that suit and ignore
the
rest. Here's a perfect example: Thou shalt not kill.
If that commandment is taken at its face value, as I always thought it
should be, not one Christian - or Jew or Muslim - should have killed a
single other human being since that commandment was issued, yet the Old
Testament alone chronicles wars between different tribes.
Right you are!!! At least you realize that if Christians were to
actually follow Christ and listen to what He had to say, war, if not all of
man's inhumanity to man, would be not only be extinct, but totally
unthinkable. See below
Pastor Frank
The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ, which would
make war, if not ALL of man's inhumanity to man extinct, nay totally
unthinkable:
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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| User: "Rockett Crawford" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
09 Feb 2006 09:22:31 AM |
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"Josh" <jh@jillywoods.ABCkaroo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:-9mdnaEO7rWX2HbeSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk...
Though the Bible may offer useful advice on living on some of its pages
which anyone would accept, other parts are simply nonsense: Noah and the
Ark is an obvious example. It is just a nice story. As a contributor
wrote
recently, how did Noah get the kangaroos back to Australia?
So what do Bible believers do? They pick the bits that suit and ignore
the
rest. Here's a perfect example: Thou shalt not kill.
If that commandment is taken at its face value, as I always thought it
should be, not one Christian - or Jew or Muslim - should have killed a
single other human being since that commandment was issued, yet the Old
Testament alone chronicles wars between different tribes.
Now reflect on all the religious persecution of history, and the hostility
still splattered on our newspapers today. The religious are still busy
selecting the bits of religion that suit their earthly needs, and
conveniently ignoring the rest. What hypocricy!
Regards, Josh
Excellent points. When I was a Christian back in the 70s, I eventually
noticed this and it was very troubling to me. My church preached a loving
God, but I eventually read through the Bible and discovered the depiction of
God in Deut. and Joshua commanding the complete extermination of men, women,
children, and even babies in city after city in Canaan.
Our music minister used to often sing a song about Jericho, acapella where
he was clapping his hands next to his face. Cute little song about the walls
coming down. Everyone in my church loved the song. Later I found out that
the story in the bible of Jericho was about the Children of Israel murdering
everyone in Jericho except for a prositute.
Capella a.a #5
Does God believe in Athiests? Capella interviews Jehovah
http://www.goatstar.org/does-god-believe-in-atheists/
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
08 Feb 2006 02:03:09 PM |
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You have set up a "straw-man" argument against a document that you have
generalized and presented subjectively. If you expect to make a valid
point in the debate of biblical authenticity, you have failed because
you have only performed the very mistakes that you have accused
fundamentalists of. The closest you came to a rational, founded
argument was in your case regarding the lack of original texts. This,
however, could easily be argued against by a fundamentalist since the
majority of human history is also derived from texts that are copied
and that originated before the invention of the printing press. After
all, Homer wrote before the press, Shakespear was hand-copied as well,
and do you doubt their existence? The claims that you make are strong
and pointed, but you lack evidence. For instance, you claim that the
biblical text is wrought with contradictions, yet you did not make any
attempt to prove this. You state that the "myth" of "Noah's ark" is
scientifically impossible, but you do not share why you believe it to
be scientifically impossible. You also conclude with a statement
suggesting that God cannot exist because He does not proclaim Himself
in the manner that you would prefer, and this is ridiculous because if
there is a greater being capable of creating you, why would he do
things your way? You are certainly entitled to argue in either
direction, but if you are going to present yourself as a valid debator,
then you must present your case in a manner worth responding to and be
willing to listen to a counter.
It is my observation that the majority of people who irrationally argue
against something do so because they do not desire it to be true. This
is espescially the case with the biblical text because it makes bold
statements that, if not obeyed, contain consequences for the reader.
And who likes consequences?
Just some thoughts.
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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08 Feb 2006 03:09:50 PM |
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<mm42883@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139428989.223026.321250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
It is my observation that the majority of people who irrationally argue
against something do so because they do not desire it to be true. This
is espescially the case with the biblical text because it makes bold
statements that, if not obeyed, contain consequences for the reader.
And who likes consequences?
Other than the Bible characters, do you know of any documented cases where
anyone has experienced these consequences?
How do you know that the Bible isn't made up of straw-men itself?
We know that people loved telling stories back then since they didn't have
movie theatres.
--
Andrew W.
Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into a life of worship and
sacrifice.
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the form of death and
suffering.
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness a crime.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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08 Feb 2006 08:15:42 PM |
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Andrew W wrote:
<mm42883@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139428989.223026.321250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
It is my observation that the majority of people who irrationally
argue
against something do so because they do not desire it to be true.
This is espescially the case with the biblical text because it makes
bold statements that, if not obeyed, contain consequences for the
reader. And who likes consequences?
Other than the Bible characters, do you know of any documented cases
where anyone has experienced these consequences?
How do you know that the Bible isn't made up of straw-men itself?
We know that people loved telling stories back then since they didn't
have movie theatres.
If disobeying the bible hs consequences, why do Christians
ignore many of te commands of Jesus and his warnings that
they must obey or be denied by Jesus. Not all that say
"Lord, Lord" go to heaven.
The xians desire these "saying" of Jesus not to be true
and just ignore them. Sell all you have and give to the poor.
If they refuse to act on the commands of Jesus, they should
not be peddle this crap here on the net.
--
To delight in war is a merit in the soldier, a dangerous
quality in the captain and a positive crime in a statesman.
- George Santayana
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
09 Feb 2006 04:17:03 PM |
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<mm42883@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139428989.223026.321250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You have set up a "straw-man" argument against a document that you have
generalized and presented subjectively. If you expect to make a valid
point in the debate of biblical authenticity, you have failed because
you have only performed the very mistakes that you have accused
fundamentalists of. The closest you came to a rational, founded
argument was in your case regarding the lack of original texts. This,
however, could easily be argued against by a fundamentalist since the
majority of human history is also derived from texts that are copied
and that originated before the invention of the printing press. After
all, Homer wrote before the press, Shakespear was hand-copied as well,
and do you doubt their existence? The claims that you make are strong
and pointed, but you lack evidence. For instance, you claim that the
biblical text is wrought with contradictions, yet you did not make any
attempt to prove this. You state that the "myth" of "Noah's ark" is
scientifically impossible, but you do not share why you believe it to
be scientifically impossible. You also conclude with a statement
suggesting that God cannot exist because He does not proclaim Himself
in the manner that you would prefer, and this is ridiculous because if
there is a greater being capable of creating you, why would he do
things your way? You are certainly entitled to argue in either
direction, but if you are going to present yourself as a valid debator,
then you must present your case in a manner worth responding to and be
willing to listen to a counter.
It is my observation that the majority of people who irrationally argue
against something do so because they do not desire it to be true. This
is espescially the case with the biblical text because it makes bold
statements that, if not obeyed, contain consequences for the reader.
And who likes consequences?
Just some thoughts.
Bill is a fundamentalist atheist chanting atheist mantras, and nothing
you say will stop him from chanting the same mantra ad nauseam and ad
infinitum. Now you know why both heaven and hell are eternal. Christ came to
open the prison doors, but He didn't come to eject forcibly those inmates
who elect to stay in their cell.
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
09 Feb 2006 07:05:32 PM |
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<mm42883@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139428989.223026.321250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You have set up a "straw-man" argument against a document that you have
generalized and presented subjectively. If you expect to make a valid
point in the debate of biblical authenticity, you have failed because
you have only performed the very mistakes that you have accused
fundamentalists of.
Like what?
The closest you came to a rational, founded
argument was in your case regarding the lack of original texts. This,
however, could easily be argued against by a fundamentalist since the
majority of human history is also derived from texts that are copied
and that originated before the invention of the printing press. After
all, Homer wrote before the press, Shakespear was hand-copied as well,
and do you doubt their existence?
No, but they are offered and accepted as 'fiction' NOT the word of some god!
The claims that you make are strong
and pointed, but you lack evidence.
Apparently you can't read perceptively!
For instance, you claim that the
biblical text is wrought with contradictions, yet you did not make any
attempt to prove this. You state that the "myth" of "Noah's ark" is
scientifically impossible, but you do not share why you believe it to
be scientifically impossible.
The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built could not even come close to housing
Noah, his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth. And this was
a boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There are 1.7 million
KNOWN species of animals on this planet. This is patently impossible, using
only materials and tools available to Noah, to build an arch large enough to
hold all these creatures, together with suitable environments for each of
them to live in, keeping them all separated so they don't eat or kill each
other.
And then provide room and an environments for many hundreds of millions of
known species of insects, plants, molds etc. on this planet?
2. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
3. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of
food and fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to
survive. What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would
have gone extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces?
It must have been one stinking ship!
4. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months.
This would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
5. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
6. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as greater tale than Santa
Claus, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Genesis 6:6
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was
filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face
of the earth-men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and
birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."
9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he
walked with God.
Genesis 7
1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family,
because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven
[a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every
kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind
of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the
earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days
and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living
creature I have made."
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7
And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of
birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female,
came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after
the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the
second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and
the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth
forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with
his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had with
them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to
their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its
kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15 Pairs
of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and
entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every
living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters
increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and
increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the
water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under
the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the
mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [b] , [c] 21 Every living
thing that moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals, all
the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on
dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living
thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the
creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped
from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.
Genesis 7:6 (New International Version)
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood
Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that
were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters
receded.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and
fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on
the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day
of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible
Genesis 9 God's Covenant With Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and
increase in number and fill the earth.
2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and
all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground,
and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you
the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand
an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an
accounting for the life of his fellow man.
Before man learned how to create a fire, he had no choice but to eat raw
meat.
You also conclude with a statement
suggesting that God cannot exist because He does not proclaim Himself
in the manner that you would prefer, and this is ridiculous because if
there is a greater being capable of creating you, why would he do
things your way? You are certainly entitled to argue in either
direction, but if you are going to present yourself as a valid debator,
then you must present your case in a manner worth responding to and be
willing to listen to a counter.
Then why have you responded?
Where is your objective verifiable evidence that my claims are false?
Or is this just your illogical and unsubstantiated opinion like most of your
post?
It is my observation that the majority of people who irrationally argue
against something do so because they do not desire it to be true. This
is espescially the case with the biblical text because it makes bold
statements that, if not obeyed, contain consequences for the reader.
And who likes consequences?
Just some thoughts.
"It is my observation that the majority of people who irrationally argue
against something do so because they do not desire it to be true."
This statement 'by you' fits you perfectly. When are you going to supply
some
objective verifiable evidence to support you silly claims?
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
11 Feb 2006 03:51:51 AM |
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On 8 Feb 2006 12:03:09 -0800, wrote:
You have set up a "straw-man" argument against a document that you have
generalized and presented subjectively. If you expect to make a valid
point in the debate of biblical authenticity, you have failed because
you have only performed the very mistakes that you have accused
fundamentalists of. The closest you came to a rational, founded
argument was in your case regarding the lack of original texts. This,
however, could easily be argued against by a fundamentalist since the
majority of human history is also derived from texts that are copied
and that originated before the invention of the printing press. After
all, Homer wrote before the press, Shakespear was hand-copied as well,
and do you doubt their existence?
Do you doubt the existence of the gods mentioned by Homer?
The claims that you make are strong
and pointed, but you lack evidence. For instance, you claim that the
biblical text is wrought with contradictions, yet you did not make any
attempt to prove this. You state that the "myth" of "Noah's ark" is
scientifically impossible, but you do not share why you believe it to
be scientifically impossible.
Probably because the intention was not to write a book. Furthermore,
if one said that Aladdin's lamp was impossible, nobody would ask for a
scientific explanation demonstrating its impossibility. The
knowledge gained in a junior high school science class should be
sufficient.
You also conclude with a statement
suggesting that God cannot exist because He does not proclaim Himself
in the manner that you would prefer, and this is ridiculous because if
there is a greater being capable of creating you, why would he do
things your way?
In this particular case it would be because of the way this being is
described by those who believe in it. It wants us to believe in him;
it wants us to behave in certain ways and to believe certain things.
You are certainly entitled to argue in either
direction, but if you are going to present yourself as a valid debator,
then you must present your case in a manner worth responding to and be
willing to listen to a counter.
Was it hard obtaining your positon as universal judge?
It is my observation that the majority of people who irrationally argue
against something do so because they do not desire it to be true. This
is espescially the case with the biblical text because it makes bold
statements that, if not obeyed, contain consequences for the reader.
And who likes consequences?
If you do not pray to me 5 times a day and send me money you will
suffer a horrible fate. No doubt you will argue against me, because
you don't like the consequences.
Just some thoughts.
They very much resembled an attempt to shift the burden of proof and
an ad hominem argument.
Just some thoughts.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Kadaitcha Man" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
11 Feb 2006 04:00:27 AM |
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thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk>, the elderly gypsy and tinkling
ring-snatcher who likes animalistic kojak choking with bulls, and whose
partner is a street-girl with a hulking dna dumpster, wrote in
<be9ru1l4hshpr02ft7spmvpp8jmg01k8at@4ax.com>:
You have set up a "straw-man"
Do you doubt the existence of the gods mentioned by Homer?
Translation: "Ok, here is another straw man. Let's attack this one instead."
You fucking idiot. Atheism makes you stupid.
--
Cooking tonight: Foul chef's pubic hairs with impaired tumor aside
marred leech eye accompanied with parched sperm whale lung accentuated
with dissipated droppings inside trashed aborted feotus, dished up in a
wriggling skillet containing medium to well done green pepper,
flavourless morsels of heart and ligament with oddments of vaginal
yeast, dressing, a side of gold fish uterus carcinoma and a shot glass
of pus.
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