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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Bill" |
| Date: |
08 Feb 2006 12:27:16 PM |
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BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
Posted 02-08-06
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation, for
the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God. There is no objective verifiable evidence that the stories
in the Bibles are historical fact. In fact THE Bibles are mostly myths,
fables and impossible stories like Noah's Ark and other nonsense.
There is NO objective evidence that the Bibles are the word of ANY God and
if they are he was truly a confused, erratic, dishonest and irrational story
teller.
There are no originals in existence. They are all hand copies and
modifications of copies of copies etc. with alterations, additions and
deletions to suite the transcribers motives. The printing press was not even
invented until the 16Th. Century and the latest Bible copies date back 1,400
years and more before the invention of the printing press. The present book
of Bibles were assembled from numerous documents chosen by self interested
church leaders. The kept what they liked and discarded, and sometimes
destroyed, what they did not like. They are not all or even most of the
ancient religious documents.
Here is a list of just the ENGLISH translations of these old and
unauthenticated Bibles. Which are the correct ones? And were the copies they
translated from accurate translations of the originals? NO originals exist.
NO ONE knows.
There are eighteen different English translations alone:
New American Standard
New International Version
Amplified Bible
New Living Translation
King James Version
Contemporary English Version
New King James Version
21 St. Century King James Version
New International Version
American Standard Version
Holman Christian Version
New Life Version
Darby Translation
Young's Literal Translation
New International Readers Version
World English Bible
New Revised Standard Version
The Jerusalem Bible
The evidence is that these Bibles, written and copied by over 150 men over a
period of over 2500 years are nothing but a combination of faulty history,
myths, folklore and legends.
It is very likely that these ancient documents were doctored and altered to
enhance the power of the clerics of the time. Many of these writings come
from fraud, interpolations, myths and hearsay.
There is NO objective evidence that they are accurate history or the words
of any God.
Religion built on the stories in the Bibles is a religion built on myths and
quick sand.
There are a plentitude of different religious documents that proclaim the
validity of various Gods. Which, if any, are correct?
Major sacred texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further copied,
over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and selfish
motivations. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy. The
objective evidence is that they are a mixture of faulty history, myth,
folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate essentially with the whole world via TV, the
Internet, Mobile Phone and Radio. If there is a REAL God, why does he not
announce to the whole world, from his heaven, that he is the real God and
all the others are fakes. And tell us clearly and directly what he expects
from us instead of using hundreds of vague, ancient and contradictory
documents compiled by dozens of different religions.
The objective evidence is that God did not create man but that man created
Gods (and the Bibles).
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
09 Feb 2006 07:16:14 PM |
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Bill wrote:
Posted 02-08-06
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation, for
the Christian religion.
That's a very Protestant view.
The Catholics and Orthodox put much more emphasis on tradition and the
church itself rather than scripture.
A catholic would say the Church and its teachings and traditions are of
equal value to the scriptures - a southern baptist would say that the
Bible is the final authority on any question.
It's a (the?) major differnce between Catholics/Orthodox and the
protestants.
Cheers, Mark.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
13 Feb 2006 06:37:04 AM |
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Bill wrote:
Posted 02-08-06
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation, for
the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
An 'eye opener' Bill.
Thanks
Bob
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God. There is no objective verifiable evidence that the stories
in the Bibles are historical fact. In fact THE Bibles are mostly myths,
fables and impossible stories like Noah's Ark and other nonsense.
There is NO objective evidence that the Bibles are the word of ANY God and
if they are he was truly a confused, erratic, dishonest and irrational story
teller.
There are no originals in existence. They are all hand copies and
modifications of copies of copies etc. with alterations, additions and
deletions to suite the transcribers motives. The printing press was not even
invented until the 16Th. Century and the latest Bible copies date back 1,400
years and more before the invention of the printing press. The present book
of Bibles were assembled from numerous documents chosen by self interested
church leaders. The kept what they liked and discarded, and sometimes
destroyed, what they did not like. They are not all or even most of the
ancient religious documents.
Here is a list of just the ENGLISH translations of these old and
unauthenticated Bibles. Which are the correct ones? And were the copies they
translated from accurate translations of the originals? NO originals exist.
NO ONE knows.
There are eighteen different English translations alone:
New American Standard
New International Version
Amplified Bible
New Living Translation
King James Version
Contemporary English Version
New King James Version
21 St. Century King James Version
New International Version
American Standard Version
Holman Christian Version
New Life Version
Darby Translation
Young's Literal Translation
New International Readers Version
World English Bible
New Revised Standard Version
The Jerusalem Bible
The evidence is that these Bibles, written and copied by over 150 men over a
period of over 2500 years are nothing but a combination of faulty history,
myths, folklore and legends.
It is very likely that these ancient documents were doctored and altered to
enhance the power of the clerics of the time. Many of these writings come
from fraud, interpolations, myths and hearsay.
There is NO objective evidence that they are accurate history or the words
of any God.
Religion built on the stories in the Bibles is a religion built on myths and
quick sand.
There are a plentitude of different religious documents that proclaim the
validity of various Gods. Which, if any, are correct?
Major sacred texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further copied,
over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and selfish
motivations. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy. The
objective evidence is that they are a mixture of faulty history, myth,
folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate essentially with the whole world via TV, the
Internet, Mobile Phone and Radio. If there is a REAL God, why does he not
announce to the whole world, from his heaven, that he is the real God and
all the others are fakes. And tell us clearly and directly what he expects
from us instead of using hundreds of vague, ancient and contradictory
documents compiled by dozens of different religions.
The objective evidence is that God did not create man but that man created
Gods (and the Bibles).
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| User: "Mick" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
08 Feb 2006 09:46:01 PM |
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Hi Bill ,
You can not prove the Bible false either , it is taken on faith .
The translations are so many because the original texts were in
languages that in some cases do not have words in our language . In
fact if you take books just 400 years ago , like Shakespear you will
find the wors are changed in different translations . It does not mean
Shakespear is irrelevant . People in our cuntry can not even come
together what the Constitution means , and it was written in English
originally just a couple hundred years ago . Why do people who have
faith in God bother you ? I don't get the hostility from the folks here
who are Christian and non . God in my life has made me a better person
, I would think even a non believer would not have a problem with that
, unless I used that faith to hurt you . Then I would see your point
....
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
09 Feb 2006 06:09:22 PM |
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"Mick" <littleroundtop@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1139456761.185568.289730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hi Bill ,
You can not prove the Bible false either , it is taken on faith .
The translations are so many because the original texts were in
languages that in some cases do not have words in our language . In
fact if you take books just 400 years ago , like Shakespear you will
find the wors are changed in different translations . It does not mean
Shakespear is irrelevant .
No, but Shakespeare is accepted as 'fiction' NOT the word of some god!
People in our cuntry can not even come
together what the Constitution means , and it was written in English
originally just a couple hundred years ago .
Yes, but it is not 'claimed to be' the word of some god!
If you stated that the Bibles were books of fiction I would agree with you.
Why do people who have faith in God bother you ? I don't get the hostility
from the folks here
who are Christian and non . God in my life has made me a better person
, I would think even a non believer would not have a problem with that
, unless I used that faith to hurt you . Then I would see your point.
Why do you object to people publishing the truth substantiated by scientific
objective verifaible
evidence instead of myths, fables and legends?
Religious fanatics are constantly trying to force their regilious beliefs on
others. They are constantly
trying to revise and pass laws that represent their religous beliefs. Even
our president is trying to
force feed his religious beliefs on the nation.
...
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
10 Feb 2006 10:20:00 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:lOQGf.2325$pM6.2267@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
"Mick" <littleroundtop@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1139456761.185568.289730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hi Bill ,
You can not prove the Bible false either , it is taken on faith .
The translations are so many because the original texts were in
languages that in some cases do not have words in our language . In
fact if you take books just 400 years ago , like Shakespear you will
find the wors are changed in different translations . It does not mean
Shakespear is irrelevant .
No, but Shakespeare is accepted as 'fiction' NOT the word of some god!
People in our cuntry can not even come
together what the Constitution means , and it was written in English
originally just a couple hundred years ago .
Yes, but it is not 'claimed to be' the word of some god!
If you stated that the Bibles were books of fiction I would agree with
you.
Why do people who have faith in God bother you ? I don't get the hostility
from the folks here
who are Christian and non . God in my life has made me a better person
, I would think even a non believer would not have a problem with that
, unless I used that faith to hurt you . Then I would see your point.
Why do you object to people publishing the truth substantiated by
scientific objective verifaible evidence instead of myths, fables and
legends?
Religious fanatics are constantly trying to force their regilious beliefs
on others. They are constantly
trying to revise and pass laws that represent their religous beliefs. Even
our president is trying to
force feed his religious beliefs on the nation.
You are making a lot of unsubstantiated accusations here. Please tell us
what "laws" you refer to that forces religion on you. All we see is religion
being advertised, and like the adverting of merchants or political party, it
doesn't "force" you to buy any product or into any belief, nor does it force
you to believe any claims. Let's see you enumerate.
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
09 Feb 2006 02:34:45 AM |
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"Mick" <littleroundtop@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1139456761.185568.289730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hi Bill ,
You can not prove the Bible false either , it is taken on faith .
Faith can lead you up a thousand different roads.
Faith has no internal guidance system. You just choose your belief and you
start walking in one direction until the end, or until a better belief comes
along.
Christians put faith in nothing but what you call 'God' and 'His word'.
All that you believe comes from the Christian Bible. Why do you believe the
Bible was inspired by a single supreme and altruistic being?
Answer: Because *it* says so.
Do you believe everything you read?
Also its because it sounds so high and mighty, as if no human could ever
write such a thing.
The translations are so many because the original texts were in
languages that in some cases do not have words in our language .
Then how can you be so sure about the original meaning of the verses?
In
fact if you take books just 400 years ago , like Shakespear you will
find the wors are changed in different translations . It does not mean
Shakespear is irrelevant .
Shakespeare was a real person and his time wasn't so long ago.
If Shakespeare was misconstrued then how much more would 2000 year old texts
be misconstrued?
The ancient languages had nuances and contexts which have been long lost.
People in our cuntry can not even come
together what the Constitution means , and it was written in English
originally just a couple hundred years ago .
Precisely. Its therefore best to stick with contemporary values.
Why do people who have
faith in God bother you ? I don't get the hostility from the folks here
who are Christian and non . God in my life has made me a better person
, I would think even a non believer would not have a problem with that
, unless I used that faith to hurt you . Then I would see your point
Christians and their God totally ignore the corporations like the oil
companies that are destroying our world by damaging the planet's eco system.
In fact they support the planet's destruction because they believe that
Jesus is going to come and renew it all for us.
If the world dies we die.
They are also supporting human overpopulation with their belief that God
wants us to multiply uncontrolled and their crusades against the natural
desire of abortion of unwanted offspring. The planet can no longer sustain
the current insane human population rate.
The human race has become a disease over the planet earth, destroying every
patch of land that it finds. The earth can not take any more. Does the Bible
god care? Apparently not. We never hear a peep from him any more. Its
doubtful that anyone ever did.
--
Andrew W.
Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into a life of worship and
sacrifice.
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the form of death and
suffering.
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness a crime.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Steve O" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
09 Feb 2006 09:44:26 PM |
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"Mick" <littleroundtop@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1139456761.185568.289730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hi Bill ,
You can not prove the Bible false either , it is taken on faith .
You cannot prove Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire false, either.
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| User: "Mick" |
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08 Feb 2006 09:46:04 PM |
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Hi Bill ,
You can not prove the Bible false either , it is taken on faith .
The translations are so many because the original texts were in
languages that in some cases do not have words in our language . In
fact if you take books just 400 years ago , like Shakespear you will
find the wors are changed in different translations . It does not mean
Shakespear is irrelevant . People in our cuntry can not even come
together what the Constitution means , and it was written in English
originally just a couple hundred years ago . Why do people who have
faith in God bother you ? I don't get the hostility from the folks here
who are Christian and non . God in my life has made me a better person
, I would think even a non believer would not have a problem with that
, unless I used that faith to hurt you . Then I would see your point
....
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
09 Feb 2006 06:17:45 PM |
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"Mick" <littleroundtop@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1139456764.812557.124040@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hi Bill ,
You can not prove the Bible false either , it is taken on faith .
The translations are so many because the original texts were in
languages that in some cases do not have words in our language . In
fact if you take books just 400 years ago , like Shakespear you will
find the wors are changed in different translations . It does not mean
Shakespear is irrelevant . People in our cuntry can not even come
together what the Constitution means .
Shakespeare is 'accepted' as fiction and the Constitution is 'accepted' as a
document written by humans with human flaws. No one has claimed these are
sacred documents and the word of god.
The Bibles are the literature of faith, not of scientific observation,
evidence or historical fact or demonstration.
The Bibles are a foundation of quicksand. There are NO ORIGINALS in
existence. Why would God not protect the originals? What are available are
copies of copies by unknown men of questionable veracity biased by, and
dependent on, their membership in the clergy. The originals rotted and
disappeared thousands of years ago. The Bibles were hand written and
recopied more than a thousand years before the invention of the printing
press. And of course we not only do not know what was in the originals but
they were also written and altered by errant biased men motivated to impress
their flock.
If Jesus was God, why did he not leave behind his recorded record of his
rules and commands? Why are there NO Biblical documents written during his
time on earth? The Old Testaments were written before his birth. The New
Testaments were written 60 and more years after his death by men that could
never have known Jesus personally.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence as to their authenticity and
veracity. The Bibles contain both historical and scientific errors. They
contain manifest absurdities, unfulfilled prophesies, immoralities,
indecencies, obscenities, atrocities, barbarities, myths, folklore and
legends. They are nothing more than hearsay, myths, contradictions and
implausible tales.
Here is just a small sampling of implausible Bible stories.
The story of creation
A totally illogical Biblical story is the story of creation. It is obviously
pure fiction
Biblically, god created the world about six thousand years ago. Scientific
evidence indicates the Universe, as we now know it, began more than 13
BILLION years ago or more.
In the Bible, the Universe is a firmament and the Earth is a fixed (not to
mention flat) Planet and the Son, Moon and other planets revolve around the
earth. We now KNOW the Earth revolves around the Son and the Universe is
over 20 BILLION light years in diameter and is made up of trillions of Stars
and Planets of which our planetary system is a very miniscule and
unimportant part. There was no concept of a Universe in Biblical times.
Everything beyond our immediate Son and planets was considered Heaven.
In the Bible the earth is created in the first day, before the Son, Moon and
Stars. Objective scientific evidence is that the Earth did not form until
approximately 10 BILLION YEARS after the beginning of the present Universe
and after the formation of the Son, and many other stars.
The Creation of the World
Genesis
In the beginning of creation, when God made heaven and earth, the earth was
without form and void, with darkness over the face of the abyss, and a
mighty wind that swept over the surface of the waters. God said, Let there
be light, and there was light; and God saw that the light was good, and he
separated light from darkness. He called the light day, and the darkness
night. So evening came, and morning came, the first day. God created light
before he created the Sun and the Moon!
Astronomical evidence indicates shows the Son existed long before the Earth;
therefore the earth was not created before the Son. It is equally obvious
that the writers of that time thought the World was the center the firmament
and that they had no conception of the size and nature of the Universe.
Everything beyond the Sun and Moon was considered to be gods Heaven
God said, Let there be a vault between the waters, to separate water from
water. So God made the vault, and separated the water under the vault from
the water above it, and so it was; and God called the vault heaven. Evening
came, and morning came, a second day.
God said; Let the waters under heaven be gathered into one place, so that
dry land may appear; and so it was. God called the dry land earth, and the
gathering of the waters he called seas; and God saw that it was good. Then
God said, Let the earth produce fresh growth, let there be on the earth
plants bearing seed, fruit-trees bearing fruit each with seed according to
its kind. So it was; the earth yielded fresh growth, plants bearing seed
according to their kind and trees bearing fruit each with seed according to
its king; and God saw that it was good. Evening came, and morning came, a
third day.
And this good and loving God created animals that eat other animals (and
man) and poisonous plants and snakes that kill!
God said, Let there be lights in the vault of heaven to separate day from
night, and let them serve as signs both for festivals and for seasons and
years. Let them also shine in the vault of heaven to give light on earth. So
it was; God made the two great lights, the greater to govern the day and the
lesser to govern the night; and with them he made the stars. God put these
lights in the vault of heaven to give light on earth, to govern day and
night, and to separate light from darkness; and God saw that it was good.
Evening came, and morning came, a fourth day.
Ancient man erroneously thought the stars beyond the Sun and Moon to be
Heaven. The Moon was NOT considered a reflection from the light of the Sun
but a lesser light.
God, said, Let the waters teem with countless living creatures, and let
birds fly above the earth across the vault of heaven. God then created the
great sea-monsters and all living creatures that move and swarm in the
waters, according to their kind, and every kind of bird; and God saw that it
was good. So he blessed them and said, be fruitful and increase, fill the
waters of the seas; and let the birds increase on land. Evening came, and
morning came, a fifth day.
And this all loving God created creatures of that kill and eat other
creatures including man.
Archaeological evidence shows that animals evolved from primitive cells over
a period of about four billion years - not in one day!
God said, let the earth bring forth living creatures, according to their
kind: cattle, reptiles, and wild animals, all according to their kind. So it
was; God made wild animals, cattle, and all reptiles, each according to its
kind; and he saw that it was good. Then God said, Let us make man it our
image and likeness to rule the fish in the sea , the birds of heaven, the
cattle, all wild animals on earth, and all reptiles that crawl upon the
earth. So God created man in his own image; in the image of God he created
him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, be
fruitful and increase, fill the earth and subdue it, rule over the fish in
the sea, the birds of heaven, and every living thing that moves upon the
earth. God also said, I give you all plants that bear seed everywhere on
earth, and every tree bearing fruit which yields seed: they shall be yours
for food. All green plants I give for food to the wild animals, to all the
birds of heaven, and to all reptiles on earth, every living creature. So it
was; and God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. Evening came,
and morning came, a sixth day.
And God created animals that need to kill and eat other animals including
man in order to survive. This is a loving and caring God?
Thus heaven and earth were completed with all their mighty throng. On the
sixth day God completed all the work he had been doing, and on the seventh
day he ceased from all his work. God blessed the seventh day and made it
holy, because on that day he ceased from all the work he had set himself to
do and rested.
Why would a God that is not physical but spiritual, get tired and need rest?
If this creator is such a loving and caring guy, why does he permit totally
innocent children to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a
fully developed brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.?
Why are some born idiots and others with super intelligence?
Why does this loving and caring god create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes,
Volcanic Eruptions, Wars, cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions that effect people indiscriminately regardless of
their conduct or religious beliefs? Why does he permit millions of both
young and old to starve to death?
These afflict humans indiscriminately - young and old, atheists and members
of all religious beliefs.
Why did he design humans to suffer the decrepitude and malignancies of old
age? Even those that devote their lives to religious leadership suffer these
punishments of old age.
Why did this caring benevolent god create animals that need to eat other
animals to survive?
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. The objective evidence is that, if there is a
god creator, he has no concern about the welfare of the creatures on Earth.
Adam and Eve
In the Bible, there are two different accounts of Adam and Eve's creation.
According to the Priestly (P) history of the 5th or 6th century BC (Genesis
1:1-2:4), God on the sixth day of Creation created all the living creatures
and, "in his own image," man both "male and female." God then blessed the
couple, told them to be "fruitful and multiply," and gave them dominion over
all other living things.
According to the lengthier Yahwist (J) narrative of the 10th century BC
(Genesis 2:5-7, 2:15-4:1, 4:25), God, or Yahweh, created Adam at a time when
the earth was still void, forming him from the earth's dust and breathing
"into his nostrils the breath of life." God then gave Adam the primeval
Garden of Eden to tend but, on penalty of death, commanded him not to eat of
the fruit of the "tree of knowledge of good and evil." Subsequently, so that
Adam would not be alone, God created other animals but, finding these
insufficient, put Adam to sleep, took from him a rib, and created a new
companion, Eve. The two were persons of innocence until Eve yielded to the
temptations of the evil serpent and Adam joined her in eating the forbidden
fruit, whereupon they both recognized their nakedness and donned fig leaves
as garments. Immediately, God recognized their transgression and proclaimed
their punishments-for the woman, pain in childbirth and subordination to
man, and, for the man, relegation to an accursed ground with which he must
toil and sweat for his subsistence. Adam died at the age of 930!
In later Christian theology, the concept of original sin (q.v.) took hold-a
sin in which human kind has been held captive since the fall of Adam and
Eve. The doctrine was based on Pauline Scripture but has not been accepted
by a number of Christian sects and interpreters. Why should BILLIONS of
innocent people be punished over thousands of years for this original sin
that they had no part in?
This is both sadistic and ridiculous!
Jonah
As the story is related in the Book of Jonah, the prophet Jonah is called by
God to go to Nineveh (a great Assyrian city) and prophesy disaster because
of the city's wickedness. Jonah, in the story, feels about Nineveh as does
the author of the Book of Nahum-that the city must inevitably be destroyed
because of God's judgment against it. Thus Jonah does not want to prophesy,
because Nineveh might repent and thereby be saved. So he rushes down to
Joppa and takes passage in a ship that will carry him in the opposite
direction, thinking to escape God.
A storm of unprecedented severity strikes the ship, and it shows signs of
breaking up and foundering. Jonah confesses that it is his presence on board
that is causing the storm. At his request, he is thrown overboard, and the
storm subsides.
A "great fish," appointed by God, swallows Jonah, and he stays within the
fish's maw for three days and nights. He prays for deliverance and is
"vomited out" on dry land (ch. 2).
Totally implausible. He would have been digested by the fish in those three
days!
Sodom and Gomorrah
According to the Bible these cities and everyone in them, except Lot and his
family, were destroyed by fire and brimstone for their sinfulness. Lot's
wife was turned into a pillar of salt for disobeying God's command to not
look back at her city of birth being destroyed.
There is no way that EVERYONE in two cities could be so sinful, especially
innocent children, to deserve destruction by fire and brimstone.
Sodom and Gomorrah constituted, along with the cities of Admah, Zeboiim, and
Zoar (Bela), the five biblical "cities of the plain." Destroyed by"brimstone
and fire" because of their wickedness (Genesis 19:24).
Sodom and Gomorrah probably were devastated about 1900 BC by an earthquake
in the Dead Sea area of the Great Rift Valley, an extensive rift extending
from the Jordan River valley in Israel to the Zambezi River system in East
Africa. When the catastrophic destruction occurred, the petroleum and gases
existing in the area probably contributed to the imagery of "brimstone and
fire"
Cruel, inhumane and pure nonsense!
The Tower of Babel
Genesis 11.1 - 11.9
God became concerned that the Tower being built would reach his heaven.
He confounded the builders by giving them different languages so they could
no longer communicate with each other to continue the construction.
Why would this be of any concern to an all powerful God creator and wouldn't
this God creator realize that no tower could possibly reach his spiritual
heaven?
Noah and the Ark
The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built to this day could not even come CLOSE to
housing Noah, his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth. And
this was a boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There are 1.7
million KNOWN species of animals on this planet. This story is patently
impossible, using only materials and tools available to Noah, to build an
arch large enough to hold all these creatures, together with suitable
environments for each of them to live in, keeping them all separated so they
don't kill and eat each other. And then provide room and an environment for
many hundreds of millions of known species of insects, plants, molds etc. on
this planet?
2. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
3. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of food
and fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to survive.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It must
have been one stinking ship!
4. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months. This
would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
5. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
6. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as a greater tale than Santa
Claus, The Wizard of Oz, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Genesis 6:6
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was
filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face
of the earth: men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and
birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."
9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he
walked with God.
Genesis 7
1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family,
because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven
[a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every
kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind
of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the
earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days
and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living
creature I have made."
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7
And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of
birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female,
came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after
the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
This is patently ridiculous and impossible. How could they capture and load
over three million animals in a period of seven days???
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the
second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and
the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth
forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with
his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had with
them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to
their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its
kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15 Pairs
of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and
entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every
living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters
increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and
increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the
water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under
the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the
mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [, 21 Every living thing that
moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals, all the
creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry
land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing
on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures
that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the
earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.
This of course would have also killed all the vegetation on Earth!
Genesis 7:6 (New International Version)
6 Noah was "six hundred" years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood
Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that
were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters
receded.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and
fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on
the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day
of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible
And what did they eat until all the vegetation recovered from the flood???
Genesis 9 God's Covenant with Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and
increase in number and fill the earth.
2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and
all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground,
and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you
the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand
an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an
accounting for the life of his fellow man.
Before man learned how to create a fire, he had no choice but to eat raw
meat!
Samson
Hebrew Shimshon, Israelite hero portrayed in an epic narrative in the Old
Testament (Judg. 13-16). He was a Nazirite (q.v.) and a legendary warrior
whose incredible exploits hint at the weight of Philistine pressure on
Israel during much of the early, tribal period of Israel in Canaan
(1200-1000).
Samson was claimed to possess extraordinary physical strength, and the moral
of his saga relates the disastrous loss of his power to the violation of his
Nazirite vow. Credited with remarkable exploits-e.g., the slaying of a lion
and moving the gates of Gaza-he first broke his religious promises by
feasting with a woman from the neighboring town of Timnah, who was also a
Philistine, one of Israel's mortal enemies. Other remarkable deeds follow;
e.g., his decimating the Philistines in a private war. On another occasion
he repulsed their assault on him at Gaza, where he had gone to visit a
harlot. He finally fell victim to his foes through love of Delilah, a woman
of the valley of Sorek, who beguiled him into revealing the secret of his
strength: his long Nazirite hair. As he slept, Delilah had his hair cut and
betrayed him. He was captured, blinded, and enslaved by the Philistines, but
in the end he was granted his revenge; through the return of his old
strength, he supposedly demolished the great Philistine temple of the god
Dagon, at Gaza, destroying his captors and himself (Judg.16:4-30).
A truly implausible tale!
God created a three level Universe - Heaven above, a flat World resting on
water. Genesis 1:6-10; 7:11; 8:2; 11:11-9; 19:24; 28:12-13; Exodus 20:4;
Numbers 16:30-33; Deuteronomy 33:17.
God created the Sun and the Moon on the fourth day but created light on the
first day! Genesis1:1-9; 14-19
It is claimed that the Eve, first woman, was created from one of Adam's
ribs.
Genesis 3:1-5 Men and women have the same number of ribs on each side of
their body? And in any case why would a god that has created the Universe
and everything in it need to tale rib from Adam to create Eve???
The Bibles claim that a talking snake talked Eve into eating the forbidden
fruit.
The Bibles claim that Adam lived 930 years, Seth 912 years, Enosh 905 years,
Kenan910 years, Mahalael 895 years, Jared 962 years, Methuselah 969 years;
Lamech 777 years, and Noah 950 years. Genesis 5:-31; 9:29
God commanded that every baby boy at age of eight days be circumcised.
At that time sterilization (of knives) was unknown and many died of
infection for which they new no cure. Why did this almighty and all caring
God create baby boys with foreskins on their penis that he then required to
be painfully and dangerously removed?
This all caring and loving God sent ten horrible plagues upon the Egyptians
Exodus 7:14-12:32 and in his loving generosity gave Israel the land of the
Canaanites and the Israelites slaughtered every person of seven nations.
Twenty one million, men women and innocent children, were slaughtered
according to the Bible. Exodus 12:1-2
This is a loving god???
According to the verse, Jesus was being tempted by Satan, for forty
days. Assuming that Jesus is God, we are required to believe that God
was tempted by Satan, who was created by God in the first place.
[NIV, Mark 1:12-13]
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all
the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give
you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." Jesus said to
him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your
God, and serve him only.' " [NIV, Matthew 4:8-10] If Jesus is God,
would the Devil promise him that he will give him the kingdoms of the
world when all the all kingdoms of the world were created by and already
belong to God??
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God in the Bibles classifies bats as birds when anyone with an elementary
knowledge of biology knows that bats are flying MAMMALS!
Letiviticus11:13, 19
This God can't control his temper resulting in killing thousands of people.
Numbers 11:31-35; 25:1-9
He and Moses ordered the Israelites to kill all the male and Female
Medianites who had ever had sex but to spare the young women who were
virgins and keep them for themselves to enjoy. Numbers 31:14-1
Jeremiah:16:1: The word of the LORD came also unto me, saying,
2: Thou shall not take thee a wife, neither shall thou have sons or
daughters in this place.
3: For thus saith the LORD concerning the sons and concerning the daughters
that are born in this place, and concerning their mothers that bare them,
and concerning their fathers that begat them in this land;
4: They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither
shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth:
and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcasses
shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.
5: For thus saith the LORD, Enter not into the house of mourning, neither go
to lament nor bemoan them: for I have taken away my peace from this people,
saith the LORD, even loving kindness and mercies.
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According to the unerring Bible, the earth is the oldest object in the
Universe. (Genesis 1:1), snakes can talk (Genesis 3:1-5), and Man had
dominion over the dinosaurs (Genesis 1:26, 28)."
Really??? The Earth did not come into existence until 10 BILLION years after
the Universe. Man came into existence MILLIONS of years AFTER the extinction
of the Dinosaurs.
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God is satisfied with his works
[Gen 1:31]
God is dissatisfied with his works.
[Gen 6:6]
God dwells in chosen temples
[2 Chron 7:12,16]
God dwells not in temples
[Acts 7:48]
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Jesus' claimed last words on the cross, 'My God, my God, why hast thou
forsaken me?' Hardly seems like the words of a god that created and
controlled the whole world and who planned his entry and exit on earth.
More obvious nonsense!
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Additional Bible nonsense too voluminous to quote fully;
Mt.4:8: Gen. 1:6; Deut. 30.4; Job. 9:6,22:13, 26:11; PSA 75.3, 103.12;
1 Sam 2.8; Isa. 13.5, 40.21-22; Dan 4.10-11; Re. 7.1, 20.8; Psa 93:1, 96:10,
105.5Job. 22.14; Rev. 6.14; Acts 10:11; Rev. 6:13, 8:14; Mat. 2:9; Gen 1:16;
Lev.19.27, 11.7,10-12: Mat. 5:17-19; Luke 16:17; Lev. 19.19; Luke 16:1-9;
Amos 3:6; Isa. 45:7; Lev, 18.22, 20.13; Deut. 13.6; Judges 14.20; 1 Sam
16:21-23, 18.1-3; Sam 1:26, 13:3, 15:37, 16:16-17: Mat. 2:13-15; Luke 2:1-7,
21; Gen. 11.6, 18:21, 27:33; Exod. 9:14, 12:12; Num 33.4; Deut. 3.23; Exod.
18:11; Eccl. 9.5-6, 9:10; Job 7.9-10, 13:28, 14:1-2, 14:1-2, 10-12, 21; Prov
2:18-19; Eccl. 10:17, 17:27, 28, 30, 19.3, 44:9; wisdom 2:1-5
This is just a sampling of ridiculous Bible tales. The Bibles are obviously
a mixture of fiction, fables, folklore and pure nonsense.
And these Bibles were dictated by God??? Then this God must be a demented
idiot.
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It's true basis is the teachings of the Persian prophet ZARATHUSTRA (Zoroaster),
imported into Judaism, having re-emerged in another form as Mithraism, and
having
been hybridized into the worship of a rebel from Galilee, identified as an
incarnate
savior god named CHRISTOS.
Read up on Zoroastrianism, Mithraism and Judaism and you will see what I mean.
Hope this helps. -- L.
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09 Feb 2006 05:32:11 PM |
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:27:16 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Posted 02-08-06
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation, for
the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
Just like a history book.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God.
What does "objective, verifiable" evidence have to do with it?
duke
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09 Feb 2006 07:07:49 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:27:16 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Posted 02-08-06
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation,
for
the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
Just like a history book.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God.
What does "objective, verifiable" evidence have to do with it?
Because rational people do not want to live their lives based on myths,
fables and legends.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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14 Feb 2006 05:34:56 AM |
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:07:49 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God.
What does "objective, verifiable" evidence have to do with it?
Because rational people do not want to live their lives based on myths,
fables and legends.
Well, that's EXACTLY what you're doing when you deny the existence of God.
duke
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15 Feb 2006 05:24:15 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:07:49 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God.
What does "objective, verifiable" evidence have to do with it?
Because rational people do not want to live their lives based on myths,
fables and legends.
Well, that's EXACTLY what you're doing when you deny the existence of God.
Bill prefers to believe whatever he prefers to be true. To make his
assertions concerning God true, Bill only needs to define the word god as he
prefers, ...as ludicrously as possible. I.e. Sky pixy or sky daddy,
invisible old warrior on mountains like Zeus or Odin, etc. etc.
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09 Feb 2006 09:47:46 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:27:16 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Posted 02-08-06
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation,
for
the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
Just like a history book.
History books don't have talking donkeys, walking on water, the dead rising
or any other silly ideas.
History books try to restrict themselves to actual events, not fantasy.
To refer to the bible as a history book is laughable and naive.
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14 Feb 2006 05:36:41 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:47:46 -0000, "Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote:
History books don't have talking donkeys, walking on water, the dead rising
or any other silly ideas.
God doesn't speak in these other books
History books try to restrict themselves to actual events, not fantasy.
To refer to the bible as a history book is laughable and naive.
Yeah, right. Not one contemporary statement earlier than 1890AD.
duke
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16 Feb 2006 10:18:12 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
History books don't have talking donkeys, walking on water,
the dead rising or any other silly ideas.
God doesn't speak in these other books
God only "speaks" in works of fiction. Don't you know that?
duke
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:27:16 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Posted 02-08-06
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation,
for
the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
Just like a history book.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God.
What does "objective, verifiable" evidence have to do with it?
"Just like a history book"? History books are not "facts" but opinion,
most often the opinion of the victor. Our Christian "God is love" (1 John
4:8,16) and whoever loves is in God and God is in him. That means that a
loving and caring person displays God. Hence Christ saying: Having seen me
you have seen the Father. (John 14:6-10)
Therefore, the love displayed is "objective, verifiable evidence" of God
to those who care to look, but not to Bill who apparently wants to keep his
eyes firmly shut.
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:06:04 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:27:16 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Posted 02-08-06
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation,
for
the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
Just like a history book.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God.
What does "objective, verifiable" evidence have to do with it?
"Just like a history book"? History books are not "facts" but opinion,
most often the opinion of the victor. Our Christian "God is love" (1 John
4:8,16) and whoever loves is in God and God is in him. That means that a
loving and caring person displays God. Hence Christ saying: Having seen me
you have seen the Father. (John 14:6-10)
Therefore, the love displayed is "objective, verifiable evidence" of God
to those who care to look, but not to Bill who apparently wants to keep his
eyes firmly shut.
Yeah, I'm with you.
duke
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14 Feb 2006 09:02:37 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:06:04 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Therefore, the love displayed is "objective, verifiable evidence" of
God to those who care to look, but not to Bill who apparently wants to
keep his eyes firmly shut.
Yeah, I'm with you.
You two morons remind me of the idiot who claimed clouds were evidence
of God...
duke
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15 Feb 2006 06:16:15 PM |
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"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:06:04 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
Therefore, the love displayed is "objective, verifiable evidence" of
God to those who care to look, but not to Bill who apparently wants to
keep his eyes firmly shut.
Yeah, I'm with you.
You two morons remind me of the idiot who claimed clouds were evidence
of God...
Why only "clouds"? Everything is "evidence of God". You live your life
as if everything is a miracle, or nothing is. You obviously prefer nothing,
and because you expect nothing, you get nothing.
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16 Feb 2006 10:18:11 AM |
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Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Therefore, the love displayed is "objective, verifiable evidence" of
God to those who care to look, but not to Bill who apparently wants
to keep his eyes firmly shut.
Yeah, I'm with you.
You two morons remind me of the idiot who claimed clouds were
evidence of God...
Why only "clouds"? Everything is "evidence of God".
Then apparently your definition of "objective, verifiable evidence" is
meaningless. To those who believe words have actual meaning, your
statements are nonsensical and childish.
You live your life as if everything is a miracle, or nothing is.
It's easier to view the world as black or white, I suppose. That's a
common trait among religious extremists, by the way.
You obviously prefer nothing, and because you expect nothing,
you get nothing.
You obviously prefer to believe your superstitions makes you better than
other people. To me, it just says you are ignorant and delusional.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
16 Feb 2006 06:03:22 PM |
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"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1hatqz2.6dtdgkv38wd8N%scottrichter422@yahoo.com...
Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Therefore, the love displayed is "objective, verifiable evidence" of
God to those who care to look, but not to Bill who apparently wants
to keep his eyes firmly shut.
Yeah, I'm with you.
You two morons remind me of the idiot who claimed clouds were
evidence of God...
Why only "clouds"? Everything is "evidence of God".
Then apparently your definition of "objective, verifiable evidence" is
meaningless. To those who believe words have actual meaning, your
statements are nonsensical and childish.
You live your life as if everything is a miracle, or nothing is.
It's easier to view the world as black or white, I suppose. That's a
common trait among religious extremists, by the way.
You obviously prefer nothing, and because you expect nothing,
you get nothing.
You obviously prefer to believe your superstitions makes you better than
other people. To me, it just says you are ignorant and delusional.
Yes. that's typical of atheists, to always end up with a downer of
sorts. Your logic has it, that by believing nothing you escape being
"ignorant and delusional"? But then atheist self-esteem needs constant
feeding, and the more "ignorant and delusional" people you find, the more
reasons you think you have of being convinced of your own superiority.
Give it up already!!!! It's the road to hell you are on. Trust your
Father which is in heaven to evaluate you, for your own evaluation of
yourself is always debased by self-interest, whereas He sees you through the
loving eyes of a Father.
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
16 Feb 2006 10:50:15 PM |
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Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Give it up already!!!! It's the road to hell you are on. Trust your
Father which is in heaven to evaluate you, for your own evaluation of
yourself is always debased by self-interest, whereas He sees you through the
loving eyes of a Father.
Thanks for the bedtime story, grandpa, but we've all heard it a million
times before. It's just ancient superstitions repeated by those who
cling to imaginary father figures. Give it up already...
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
18 Feb 2006 02:25:17 AM |
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"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1havdnl.1orlrfw1ej7lrwN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com...
Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Give it up already!!!! It's the road to hell you are on. Trust your
Father which is in heaven to evaluate you, for your own evaluation of
yourself is always debased by self-interest, whereas He sees you through
the
loving eyes of a Father.
Thanks for the bedtime story, grandpa, but we've all heard it a million
times before. It's just ancient superstitions repeated by those who
cling to imaginary father figures. Give it up already...
"Ancient superstitions"? .... which you apparently are unable to
interpret constructively. Keep trying and the light will come on eventually.
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
18 Feb 2006 09:51:15 PM |
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Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Give it up already!!!! It's the road to hell you are on. Trust your
Father which is in heaven to evaluate you, for your own evaluation of
yourself is always debased by self-interest, whereas He sees you
through the loving eyes of a Father.
Thanks for the bedtime story, grandpa, but we've all heard it a million
times before. It's just ancient superstitions repeated by those who
cling to imaginary father figures. Give it up already...
"Ancient superstitions"? .... which you apparently are unable to
interpret constructively. Keep trying and the light will come on eventually.
Which part of "heaven", "hell", and "ancient superstitions" don't you
understand?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
18 Feb 2006 10:21:02 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1havdnl.1orlrfw1ej7lrwN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com...
Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Give it up already!!!! It's the road to hell you are on. Trust your
Father which is in heaven to evaluate you, for your own evaluation of
yourself is always debased by self-interest, whereas He sees you through
the
loving eyes of a Father.
Thanks for the bedtime story, grandpa, but we've all heard it a million
times before. It's just ancient superstitions repeated by those who
cling to imaginary father figures. Give it up already...
"Ancient superstitions"? .... which you apparently are unable to
interpret constructively. Keep trying and the light will come on eventually.
===>You can "interpret constructively" anything ever written.
That does not make it true. -- L.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
19 Feb 2006 07:24:36 AM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:43F7496E.54B7A3B3@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1havdnl.1orlrfw1ej7lrwN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com...
Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Give it up already!!!! It's the road to hell you are on. Trust your
Father which is in heaven to evaluate you, for your own evaluation of
yourself is always debased by self-interest, whereas He sees you
through
the
loving eyes of a Father.
Thanks for the bedtime story, grandpa, but we've all heard it a million
times before. It's just ancient superstitions repeated by those who
cling to imaginary father figures. Give it up already...
"Ancient superstitions"? .... which you apparently are unable to
interpret constructively. Keep trying and the light will come on
eventually.
===>You can "interpret constructively" anything ever written.
That does not make it true. -- L.
It doesn't make it a lie also, Libertine. Why do you interpret
everything negatively without a shred of evidence, reason nor citation of
authoritative sources, trying to make us believe there is more truth in
that?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
20 Feb 2006 10:50:20 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:43F7496E.54B7A3B3@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1havdnl.1orlrfw1ej7lrwN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com...
Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Give it up already!!!! It's the road to hell you are on. Trust your
Father which is in heaven to evaluate you, for your own evaluation of
yourself is always debased by self-interest, whereas He sees you
through
the
loving eyes of a Father.
Thanks for the bedtime story, grandpa, but we've all heard it a million
times before. It's just ancient superstitions repeated by those who
cling to imaginary father figures. Give it up already...
"Ancient superstitions"? .... which you apparently are unable to
interpret constructively. Keep trying and the light will come on
eventually.
===>You can "interpret constructively" anything ever written.
That does not make it true. -- L.
It doesn't make it a lie also, Libertine. Why do you interpret
everything negatively without a shred of evidence, reason nor citation of
authoritative sources, trying to make us believe there is more truth in
that?
===>There you go with your idiotic comments.
You try to make "ancient superstitions" true by
"interpreting constructively"?!
And, of course, being a proven liar,
you always have to add some falsehoods
by claiming I interpret "everything negatively",
when all I stated was the plain truth, that putting
a "constructive" twist on an "ancient superstition"
in do way makes it anything more than an
"ancient superstition". i.e. does not transform it into
truth.
And your frequently repeated cliche, i.e. your
dumb request for "citation of authoritative
sources" is even more ridiculous.
Sheepherder, your intellectual capacities are
fast deteriorating
You're not even very funny any more. -- L.
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| User: "jambok" |
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| Title: Re: BASIS OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION |
10 Feb 2006 07:51:15 AM |
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Only one religion Christianity claims the God becam man and died for
our sins and AROSE FROM THE DEAD.
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