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Religions > Atheism |
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"Steve" |
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20 Sep 2004 12:36:07 AM |
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BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco questioning the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
It may come as a shock the the ever evading Duke that they arrived at the
conclusion that the story is just that...a story.
As already covered in this NG the ark could not be the size described and
actually float - the animals would have to be boarded at the rate of 50 per
second (to get on in seven days) etc etc etc.
In the end they concluded it was a nice tale based on the epic of Gilgamesh.
Ah well.
And our "Duke" has evaded the question in the flood thread quite
shamelessly. it seems pretty simple so i will ask the following question in
the hope that he can provide a straight answer.
Do you beleive that the bible is the inerrant word of your god and if so
doesnt that mean that you must accept the noah story as described in your
book?
Steve
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| User: "Iain" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
20 Sep 2004 09:36:09 AM |
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"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2r78m2F15laasU1@uni-berlin.de>...
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco questioning the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
I've seen it here in Britain. It proves worldwide flood impossible,
but suggests an earlier origin of the legend.
~Iain
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
20 Sep 2004 09:18:20 PM |
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On 20 Sep 2004 07:36:09 -0700, (Iain) wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2r78m2F15laasU1@uni-berlin.de>...
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco questioning the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
I've seen it here in Britain. It proves worldwide flood impossible,
but suggests an earlier origin of the legend.
A modicum of thought shows such a flood to be fiction.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
21 Sep 2004 01:45:35 AM |
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In article <jq3vk057l51e0tqocbrvs9312ni12ft3l3@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On 20 Sep 2004 07:36:09 -0700, (Iain) wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<2r78m2F15laasU1@uni-berlin.de>...
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly
concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco questioning the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
I've seen it here in Britain. It proves worldwide flood impossible,
but suggests an earlier origin of the legend.
A modicum of thought shows such a flood to be fiction.
True, but most fundies lack even half a modicum.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
22 Sep 2004 12:05:23 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:45:35 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jq3vk057l51e0tqocbrvs9312ni12ft3l3@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On 20 Sep 2004 07:36:09 -0700, (Iain) wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<2r78m2F15laasU1@uni-berlin.de>...
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly
concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco questioning the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
I've seen it here in Britain. It proves worldwide flood impossible,
but suggests an earlier origin of the legend.
A modicum of thought shows such a flood to be fiction.
True, but most fundies lack even half a modicum.
And they're running the country.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
22 Sep 2004 12:46:13 AM |
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In article <6022l09kpn58dqcof839rg7ipu0m6flajp@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:45:35 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jq3vk057l51e0tqocbrvs9312ni12ft3l3@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On 20 Sep 2004 07:36:09 -0700, (Iain) wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<2r78m2F15laasU1@uni-berlin.de>...
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly
concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco questioning the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
I've seen it here in Britain. It proves worldwide flood impossible,
but suggests an earlier origin of the legend.
A modicum of thought shows such a flood to be fiction.
True, but most fundies lack even half a modicum.
And they're running the country.
If it gets much worst we'd better start running for the border.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "" |
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22 Sep 2004 05:35:17 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:46:13 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <6022l09kpn58dqcof839rg7ipu0m6flajp@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:45:35 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jq3vk057l51e0tqocbrvs9312ni12ft3l3@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On 20 Sep 2004 07:36:09 -0700, (Iain) wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<2r78m2F15laasU1@uni-berlin.de>...
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly
concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco questioning the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
I've seen it here in Britain. It proves worldwide flood impossible,
but suggests an earlier origin of the legend.
A modicum of thought shows such a flood to be fiction.
True, but most fundies lack even half a modicum.
And they're running the country.
If it gets much worst we'd better start running for the border.
I can't.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
24 Sep 2004 01:08:19 AM |
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In article <ngv3l0peafiohgncbpgfk9lc8qv0jjmntj@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:46:13 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <6022l09kpn58dqcof839rg7ipu0m6flajp@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:45:35 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jq3vk057l51e0tqocbrvs9312ni12ft3l3@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On 20 Sep 2004 07:36:09 -0700, (Iain) wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<2r78m2F15laasU1@uni-berlin.de>...
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly
concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco questioning
the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
I've seen it here in Britain. It proves worldwide flood impossible,
but suggests an earlier origin of the legend.
A modicum of thought shows such a flood to be fiction.
True, but most fundies lack even half a modicum.
And they're running the country.
If it gets much worst we'd better start running for the border.
I can't.
I wouldn't really. I'll just join the 'resistance'.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
24 Sep 2004 06:51:24 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:08:19 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <ngv3l0peafiohgncbpgfk9lc8qv0jjmntj@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:46:13 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <6022l09kpn58dqcof839rg7ipu0m6flajp@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:45:35 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jq3vk057l51e0tqocbrvs9312ni12ft3l3@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On 20 Sep 2004 07:36:09 -0700, (Iain) wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<2r78m2F15laasU1@uni-berlin.de>...
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly
concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco questioning
the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
I've seen it here in Britain. It proves worldwide flood impossible,
but suggests an earlier origin of the legend.
A modicum of thought shows such a flood to be fiction.
True, but most fundies lack even half a modicum.
And they're running the country.
If it gets much worst we'd better start running for the border.
I can't.
I wouldn't really. I'll just join the 'resistance'.
I can't do that either.
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| User: "Iain" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
25 Sep 2004 08:54:24 AM |
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wrote in message news:<vmc9l0t78n2t80g48oh5pr4tefjksgkitc@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:08:19 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <ngv3l0peafiohgncbpgfk9lc8qv0jjmntj@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:46:13 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <6022l09kpn58dqcof839rg7ipu0m6flajp@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:45:35 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jq3vk057l51e0tqocbrvs9312ni12ft3l3@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On 20 Sep 2004 07:36:09 -0700, (Iain) wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<2r78m2F15laasU1@uni-berlin.de>...
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly
concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco questioning
the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
I've seen it here in Britain. It proves worldwide flood impossible,
but suggests an earlier origin of the legend.
A modicum of thought shows such a flood to be fiction.
True, but most fundies lack even half a modicum.
And they're running the country.
If it gets much worst we'd better start running for the border.
I can't.
I wouldn't really. I'll just join the 'resistance'.
I can't do that either.
I can't whistle inwards.
~Iain
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
25 Sep 2004 01:51:03 AM |
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In article <vmc9l0t78n2t80g48oh5pr4tefjksgkitc@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:08:19 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <ngv3l0peafiohgncbpgfk9lc8qv0jjmntj@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:46:13 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <6022l09kpn58dqcof839rg7ipu0m6flajp@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:45:35 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jq3vk057l51e0tqocbrvs9312ni12ft3l3@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On 20 Sep 2004 07:36:09 -0700, (Iain)
wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<2r78m2F15laasU1@uni-berlin.de>...
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly
concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco
questioning
the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
I've seen it here in Britain. It proves worldwide flood impossible,
but suggests an earlier origin of the legend.
A modicum of thought shows such a flood to be fiction.
True, but most fundies lack even half a modicum.
And they're running the country.
If it gets much worst we'd better start running for the border.
I can't.
I wouldn't really. I'll just join the 'resistance'.
I can't do that either.
eh?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
25 Sep 2004 04:05:11 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:51:03 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <vmc9l0t78n2t80g48oh5pr4tefjksgkitc@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:08:19 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <ngv3l0peafiohgncbpgfk9lc8qv0jjmntj@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:46:13 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <6022l09kpn58dqcof839rg7ipu0m6flajp@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:45:35 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jq3vk057l51e0tqocbrvs9312ni12ft3l3@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On 20 Sep 2004 07:36:09 -0700, (Iain)
wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<2r78m2F15laasU1@uni-berlin.de>...
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly
concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco
questioning
the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
I've seen it here in Britain. It proves worldwide flood impossible,
but suggests an earlier origin of the legend.
A modicum of thought shows such a flood to be fiction.
True, but most fundies lack even half a modicum.
And they're running the country.
If it gets much worst we'd better start running for the border.
I can't.
I wouldn't really. I'll just join the 'resistance'.
I can't do that either.
eh?
I'm 100% disabled.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
26 Sep 2004 01:52:09 AM |
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In article <ibnbl05ap4vr85knqskkbrfpkjpqdqp95m@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:51:03 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <vmc9l0t78n2t80g48oh5pr4tefjksgkitc@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:08:19 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <ngv3l0peafiohgncbpgfk9lc8qv0jjmntj@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:46:13 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <6022l09kpn58dqcof839rg7ipu0m6flajp@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:45:35 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jq3vk057l51e0tqocbrvs9312ni12ft3l3@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On 20 Sep 2004 07:36:09 -0700, (Iain)
wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<2r78m2F15laasU1@uni-berlin.de>...
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is
mainly
concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco
questioning
the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
I've seen it here in Britain. It proves worldwide flood
impossible,
but suggests an earlier origin of the legend.
A modicum of thought shows such a flood to be fiction.
True, but most fundies lack even half a modicum.
And they're running the country.
If it gets much worst we'd better start running for the border.
I can't.
I wouldn't really. I'll just join the 'resistance'.
I can't do that either.
eh?
I'm 100% disabled.
I'm so sorry to hear that, man. I guess I'm not up on the latest.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "" |
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26 Sep 2004 07:27:24 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:52:09 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <ibnbl05ap4vr85knqskkbrfpkjpqdqp95m@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:51:03 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <vmc9l0t78n2t80g48oh5pr4tefjksgkitc@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:08:19 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <ngv3l0peafiohgncbpgfk9lc8qv0jjmntj@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:46:13 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <6022l09kpn58dqcof839rg7ipu0m6flajp@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:45:35 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <jq3vk057l51e0tqocbrvs9312ni12ft3l3@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On 20 Sep 2004 07:36:09 -0700, (Iain)
wrote:
"Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<2r78m2F15laasU1@uni-berlin.de>...
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is
mainly
concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco
questioning
the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
I've seen it here in Britain. It proves worldwide flood
impossible,
but suggests an earlier origin of the legend.
A modicum of thought shows such a flood to be fiction.
True, but most fundies lack even half a modicum.
And they're running the country.
If it gets much worst we'd better start running for the border.
I can't.
I wouldn't really. I'll just join the 'resistance'.
I can't do that either.
eh?
I'm 100% disabled.
I'm so sorry to hear that, man. I guess I'm not up on the latest.
Old news circa 1994 era. No worries.
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Sep 2004 04:48:34 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:36:07 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote:
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco questioning the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
It may come as a shock the the ever evading Duke that they arrived at the
conclusion that the story is just that...a story.
Why ever-evading? I'm the one that said there is no proof either way.
As already covered in this NG the ark could not be the size described and
actually float - the animals would have to be boarded at the rate of 50 per
second (to get on in seven days) etc etc etc.
And I clearly said that no one knows, for sure, if the biblical flood is a literal truth
or not. There is no time frame for such a flood. So the loading time is a no-show.
In the end they concluded it was a nice tale based on the epic of Gilgamesh.
Ah well.
And our "Duke" has evaded the question in the flood thread quite
shamelessly. it seems pretty simple so i will ask the following question in
the hope that he can provide a straight answer.
Evaded where? I'm still right here trying to discuss with bud, but all she wants to do is
fire questions and contribute nothing.
Do you beleive that the bible is the inerrant word of your god
Yes.
and if so
doesnt that mean that you must accept the noah story as described in your
book?
Nope.
Only a very, very small group of Christians, and 100% of atheists, think that each and
every word in the bible is the inerrant word of God. Not true, as we Christians
understand.
Better luck next time, steve.
For your information, bud won't discuss, so I appreciate your discussion item here for all
to consider. So please don't stop now.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Steve" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
20 Sep 2004 05:12:30 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:v99tk01cjas5sblnd400472ihfjknnmp9j@4ax.com...
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:36:07 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote:
the ABC here in Oz has a program called "Compass" which is mainly
concerned
with religous issues and this week has shown a BBC doco questioning the
claims of the flood story and Noah.
It may come as a shock the the ever evading Duke that they arrived at the
conclusion that the story is just that...a story.
Why ever-evading? I'm the one that said there is no proof either way.
As already covered in this NG the ark could not be the size described and
actually float - the animals would have to be boarded at the rate of 50
per
second (to get on in seven days) etc etc etc.
And I clearly said that no one knows, for sure, if the biblical flood is a
literal truth
or not. There is no time frame for such a flood. So the loading time is
a no-show.
In the end they concluded it was a nice tale based on the epic of
Gilgamesh.
Ah well.
And our "Duke" has evaded the question in the flood thread quite
shamelessly. it seems pretty simple so i will ask the following question
in
the hope that he can provide a straight answer.
Evaded where? I'm still right here trying to discuss with bud, but all
she wants to do is
fire questions and contribute nothing.
Do you beleive that the bible is the inerrant word of your god
Yes.
and if so
doesnt that mean that you must accept the noah story as described in your
book?
Nope.
Only a very, very small group of Christians, and 100% of atheists, think
that each and
every word in the bible is the inerrant word of God. Not true, as we
Christians
understand.
Better luck next time, steve.
For your information, bud won't discuss, so I appreciate your discussion
item here for all
to consider. So please don't stop now.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
Please explain how the bible is the inerrant (*without* error) word of your
god *and* that the story of noah may not be true i.e possibly false. If it
is possible for the bible to contain things which may or may not be true -
how do you tell the difference ?
Steve
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Sep 2004 04:54:18 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:12:30 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote:
Please explain how the bible is the inerrant (*without* error) word of your
god *and* that the story of noah may not be true i.e possibly false. If it
is possible for the bible to contain things which may or may not be true -
how do you tell the difference ?
Answer: The mustard seed is, without question, not even close to being the smallest seed
as the bible says. The mustard seed, however, may very well literally be the smallest
seed that the people of the biblical lands know of.
The inerrant part of the biblical statement has to do with the manner in which the
smallest seed of faith and truth can grow into the largest bush. This continues to happen
today. 2000 years ago, one seed named Jesus came into existence, and now there are 2
billion seeds in the world today, and growing.
Only a very small percentage of Christians in the world believe in the literal truth of
each and every word of the bible, and of course 100% (close enough) of atheists believe
every Christian believes the literal truth.
duke
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Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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20 Sep 2004 06:52:15 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:48:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:36:07 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote:
Do you beleive that the bible is the inerrant word of your god
Yes.
and if so
doesnt that mean that you must accept the noah story as described in your
book?
Nope.
Only a very, very small group of Christians, and 100% of atheists, think that each and
every word in the bible is the inerrant word of God.
So then you *don't* believe that the bible is the inerrant word of
your god... "Inerrant" means "without error" that's an absolute -
100%. If there is 1% error, then that's not inerrant is it?
--
Alex
atheist #2007
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| User: "kathryn" |
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20 Sep 2004 09:17:59 AM |
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"Alex" <a@b.c> wrote in message
news:11htk0tju6foqdv59l0nia202sd22ostbl@4ax.com...
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:48:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:36:07 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote:
Do you beleive that the bible is the inerrant word of your god
Yes.
and if so
doesnt that mean that you must accept the noah story as described in
your
book?
Nope.
Only a very, very small group of Christians, and 100% of atheists, think
that each and
every word in the bible is the inerrant word of God.
So then you *don't* believe that the bible is the inerrant word of
your god... "Inerrant" means "without error" that's an absolute -
100%. If there is 1% error, then that's not inerrant is it?
--
Alex
atheist #2007
and wouldnt100% of atheists think that it's totally errant since god doesnt
exist?
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| User: "" |
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20 Sep 2004 09:17:43 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:17:59 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
"Alex" <a@b.c> wrote in message
news:11htk0tju6foqdv59l0nia202sd22ostbl@4ax.com...
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:48:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:36:07 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote:
Do you beleive that the bible is the inerrant word of your god
Yes.
and if so
doesnt that mean that you must accept the noah story as described in
your
book?
Nope.
Only a very, very small group of Christians, and 100% of atheists, think
that each and
every word in the bible is the inerrant word of God.
So then you *don't* believe that the bible is the inerrant word of
your god... "Inerrant" means "without error" that's an absolute -
100%. If there is 1% error, then that's not inerrant is it?
and wouldnt100% of atheists think that it's totally errant since god doesnt
exist?
I'd call it totally irrelevant. Such is no different than all the
other superstitions.
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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20 Sep 2004 01:42:29 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:17:59 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
So then you *don't* believe that the bible is the inerrant word of
your god... "Inerrant" means "without error" that's an absolute -
100%. If there is 1% error, then that's not inerrant is it?
--
Alex
atheist #2007
and wouldnt100% of atheists think that it's totally errant since god doesnt
exist?
No. Many would argue that it is fiction, in which case, errancy is
applicable only within the individual story line.
--
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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20 Sep 2004 12:19:53 PM |
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kathryn wrote:
and wouldnt100% of atheists think that it's totally errant since god doesnt
exist?
Er, don't agree with this either, quite. If the bible said that
water was wet because god said so, that would still be at least
partially true.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "kathryn" |
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21 Sep 2004 06:59:35 AM |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
news:1095700863.7583.2@eunomia.uk.clara.net...
kathryn wrote:
and wouldnt100% of atheists think that it's totally errant since god
doesnt
exist?
Er, don't agree with this either, quite. If the bible said that
water was wet because god said so, that would still be at least
partially true.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
That's a good point actually
Kathryn
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Sep 2004 05:21:48 PM |
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and if so
doesnt that mean that you must accept the noah story as described in your
book?
Nope.
Only a very, very small group of Christians, and 100% of atheists, think that each and
every word in the bible is the inerrant word of God.
So then you *don't* believe that the bible is the inerrant word of
your god... "Inerrant" means "without error" that's an absolute -
100%. If there is 1% error, then that's not inerrant is it?
But everything in the bible is not the literal true word of God.
Just a simple notation - the mustard seed is absolutely not the smallest seed, but it very
likely is the smallest seed that anyone in the area might see. Therefore this is not a
literal truth.
It's real reference is to how a small seed of faith can grow into a huge bush of God's
will in action. Now that part is the true word of God.
So it's the meaning of the words that is without error, and not the literal definition.
..
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Alex" |
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21 Sep 2004 05:15:13 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:21:48 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
But everything in the bible is not the literal true word of God.
OK.
Just a simple notation - the mustard seed is absolutely not the smallest seed, but it very
likely is the smallest seed that anyone in the area might see. Therefore this is not a
literal truth.
It's real reference is to how a small seed of faith can grow into a huge bush of God's
will in action. Now that part is the true word of God.
So it's the meaning of the words that is without error, and not the literal definition.
So how do you know that any part of the bible that you think is
literal truth (I imagine that the rules against homosexuality are
accurate in your view, if not substitute it for a rule that you *do*
think is accurate) is not trying to convey some other "truth" that
isn't literal?
--
Alex
atheist #2007
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| User: "duke" |
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21 Sep 2004 05:51:16 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:15:13 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
So it's the meaning of the words that is without error, and not the literal definition.
So how do you know that any part of the bible that you think is
literal truth (I imagine that the rules against homosexuality are
accurate in your view, if not substitute it for a rule that you *do*
think is accurate) is not trying to convey some other "truth" that
isn't literal?
If it doesn't address God's plan for mankind, our redemption from sin, and the salvation
of our souls, then one can wonder if it is literally true.
The mustard seed is NOT the smallest seed, but the bible says it is. It takes a bit of
knowledge of God to glean out God's message.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Alex" |
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22 Sep 2004 06:58:56 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:51:16 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:15:13 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
So how do you know that any part of the bible that you think is
literal truth (I imagine that the rules against homosexuality are
accurate in your view, if not substitute it for a rule that you *do*
think is accurate) is not trying to convey some other "truth" that
isn't literal?
If it doesn't address God's plan for mankind, our redemption from sin, and the salvation
of our souls, then one can wonder if it is literally true.
I see. So how do you know that only passages that concern "God's plan
for mankind, our redemption from sin, and the salvation of our souls"
are literally true?
--
Alex
atheist #2007
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
23 Sep 2004 05:29:29 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:58:56 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
If it doesn't address God's plan for mankind, our redemption from sin, and the salvation
of our souls, then one can wonder if it is literally true.
I see. So how do you know that only passages that concern "God's plan
for mankind, our redemption from sin, and the salvation of our souls"
are literally true?
Reflected throughout the bible and in non-biblical writings thru history.
These thoughts are accepted as the revelation of God.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Alex" |
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23 Sep 2004 06:41:50 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 05:29:29 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:58:56 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
If it doesn't address God's plan for mankind, our redemption from sin, and the salvation
of our souls, then one can wonder if it is literally true.
I see. So how do you know that only passages that concern "God's plan
for mankind, our redemption from sin, and the salvation of our souls"
are literally true?
Reflected throughout the bible and in non-biblical writings thru history.
These thoughts are accepted as the revelation of God.
You didn't answer my question: *How* do you know that that passages
concerning God's plan, our redemption from sin, and the salvation of
souls are literally true?
--
Alex
atheist #2007
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
23 Sep 2004 11:39:02 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:58:56 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
If it doesn't address God's plan for mankind, our redemption from
sin, and the salvation of our souls, then one can wonder if it is
literally true.
I see. So how do you know that only passages that concern "God's plan
for mankind, our redemption from sin, and the salvation of our souls"
are literally true?
Reflected throughout the bible and in non-biblical writings thru
history.
These thoughts are accepted as the revelation of God.
Earl actually said something correct.
People accept some of these words as the revelation of (a) god.
Some accept these, some accept those and some use other books and other
revelations.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BBC doco on "the flood" Attn Duke !!! |
24 Sep 2004 06:50:44 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:39:02 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:58:56 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
If it doesn't address God's plan for mankind, our redemption from
sin, and the salvation of our souls, then one can wonder if it is
literally true.
I see. So how do you know that only passages that concern "God's plan
for mankind, our redemption from sin, and the salvation of our souls"
are literally true?
Reflected throughout the bible and in non-biblical writings thru
history.
These thoughts are accepted as the revelation of God.
Earl actually said something correct.
Purely by accident.
People accept some of these words as the revelation of (a) god.
Some accept these, some accept those and some use other books and other
revelations.
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