Religions > Atheism > BBC Radio 4 - Today Programme. Should Intelligent Design Be Taught In Schools?
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"Therion Ware" |
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17 Dec 2004 03:45:40 AM |
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BBC Radio 4 - Today Programme. Should Intelligent Design Be Taught In Schools? |
Should Intelligent Design be taught in schools? Michael Buchanan
visits an American school where it is being taught and Professor
Antony Flew, Emeritus Professor of Philosophy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today3_id_20041217.ram
(Realplayer required).
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| User: "bloodyvikings" |
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| Title: Re: BBC Radio 4 - Today Programme. Should Intelligent Design Be TaughtIn Schools? |
17 Dec 2004 03:57:28 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
Should Intelligent Design be taught in schools? Michael Buchanan
visits an American school where it is being taught and Professor
Antony Flew, Emeritus Professor of Philosophy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today3_id_20041217.ram
(Realplayer required).
Prof Flew needs to have a chat with Dr. Stanley Miller.
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: BBC Radio 4 - Today Programme. Should Intelligent Design Be TaughtInSchools? |
17 Dec 2004 04:33:22 PM |
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bloodyvikings wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Should Intelligent Design be taught in schools? Michael Buchanan
visits an American school where it is being taught and Professor
Antony Flew, Emeritus Professor of Philosophy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today3_id_20041217.ram
(Realplayer required).
Prof Flew needs to have a chat with Dr. Stanley Miller.
Absolutely.
Horgan, John. February 1991. "In the Beginning..."
_Scientific American_, 117-125. The last two paragraphs of
the article:
Miller, who after almost four decades is still in hard
pursuit of life's biggest secret, agrees that the field needs
a dramatic finding to constrain the rampant speculation.
But he thinks such a discovery is more likely to emerge
from earthbound laboratories. What the field needs
now, Miller comments, is not more theories or far-flung
searches for alien life but more experiments. "I come up
with a dozen ideas a day, and I usually discard"-- he
reflects for a moment-- "the whole dozen."
Does he ever entertain the possibility that genesis was a
miracle not reproducible by mere humans? Not at all,
Miller replies. "I think we just haven't learned the right
tricks yet," he says. "When we find the answer, it will
probably be so damned simple that we'll all say, 'Why
didn't I think of that before?'"
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BBC Radio 4 - Today Programme. Should Intelligent Design Be TaughtIn Schools? |
17 Dec 2004 04:59:45 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
Should Intelligent Design be taught in schools? Michael Buchanan
visits an American school where it is being taught and Professor
Antony Flew, Emeritus Professor of Philosophy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today3_id_20041217.ram
(Realplayer required).
The school board is that of Dover PA of course; what the program, and,
apparently, debaters in this NG do not mention is that the population of
Dover is 1,878, which I make a whopping 0.00067% of the US population.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Dover-Pennsylvania.html
Of course the Dover school board looks silly, but so do those who
elaborate this tiny victory for Creationism into a national crisis.
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: BBC Radio 4 - Today Programme. Should Intelligent Design Be TaughtIn Schools? |
17 Dec 2004 09:27:14 PM |
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Of course the Dover school board looks silly, but so do those who
elaborate this tiny victory for Creationism into a national crisis.
The school board which was fought in the Barnette case looked pretty silly but
that case still went to the Supreme Court. There is a particular quote from the
ruling in that decision which should be mentioned here:
"Such [school] Boards are numerous and their territorial jurisdiction often
small. But small and local authority may feel less sense of responsibility to
the Constitution, and agencies of publicity may be less vigilant in calling it
to account. ...There are village tyrants as well as village Hampdens, but none
who acts under color of law is beyond reach of the Constitution." - US Supreme
Court, West Virginia v. Barnette (1943)
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Those who have loved God most have loved men least." -- Colonel Robert Green
Ingersoll, 1881
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: BBC Radio 4 - Today Programme. Should Intelligent Design Be TaughtIn Schools? |
19 Dec 2004 08:10:38 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:59:45 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Should Intelligent Design be taught in schools? Michael Buchanan
visits an American school where it is being taught and Professor
Antony Flew, Emeritus Professor of Philosophy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today3_id_20041217.ram
(Realplayer required).
The school board is that of Dover PA of course; what the program, and,
apparently, debaters in this NG do not mention is that the population of
Dover is 1,878, which I make a whopping 0.00067% of the US population.
But it is from insignificant sections of society that such test cases spring.
If the case goes against them, it doesn't matter, it is a back woods
community(not necessarily literally), so those who could be embarrassed by such
an outcome, can have "Plausible Deniability", and the case will soon be
forgotten.
But if they win, they set a president to the whole country.
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| User: "EKurtz99" |
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| Title: Re: BBC Radio 4 - Today Programme. Should Intelligent Design Be TaughtIn Schools? |
19 Dec 2004 10:01:08 AM |
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wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today3_id_20041217.ram
(Realplayer required).
The school board is that of Dover PA of course; what the program, and,
apparently, debaters in this NG do not mention is that the population of
Dover is 1,878, which I make a whopping 0.00067% of the US population.
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote
But it is from insignificant sections of society that such test cases
spring.
If the case goes against them, it doesn't matter, it is a back woods
community(not necessarily literally), so those who could be embarrassed by
such
an outcome, can have "Plausible Deniability", and the case will soon be
forgotten.
But if they win, they set a president to the whole country.
The belief that the "whole country" is simply waiting to follow such a
precedent (note spelling) is part of the talk.origins paranoia I was
refering to when I wrote:
Of course the Dover school board looks silly, but so do those who
elaborate this tiny victory for Creationism into a national crisis.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: BBC Radio 4 - Today Programme. Should Intelligent Design Be TaughtIn Schools? |
19 Dec 2004 08:24:37 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:01:08 +0000 (UTC), "EKurtz99" <EKurtz99@TwilightZone.com>
wrote:
The belief that the "whole country" is simply waiting to follow such a
precedent (note spelling)
Argumentum ad typo.
I am defeated.
is part of the talk.origins paranoia I was
refering to when I wrote:
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BBC Radio 4 - Today Programme. Should Intelligent Design Be TaughtInSchools? |
20 Dec 2004 08:35:37 AM |
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Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:01:08 +0000 (UTC), "EKurtz99" <EKurtz99@TwilightZone.com>
wrote:
The belief that the "whole country" is simply waiting to follow such a
precedent (note spelling)
Argumentum ad typo.
I am defeated.
You may be defeated, but not by Argumentum ad typo, which requires that
the refutation *depend* upon the incompetency demonstrated by the typo,
ie "you can't type, therefore you are dumb, therefore you are wrong and
I am right". I merely mentioned the typo in passing, out of the kindness
of my heart, and this is the thanks I get.
is part of the talk.origins paranoia I was
refering to when I wrote:
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: BBC Radio 4 - Today Programme. Should Intelligent Design Be TaughtInSchools? |
20 Dec 2004 04:41:53 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:35:37 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:01:08 +0000 (UTC), "EKurtz99" <EKurtz99@TwilightZone.com>
wrote:
The belief that the "whole country" is simply waiting to follow such a
precedent (note spelling)
Argumentum ad typo.
I am defeated.
You may be defeated, but not by Argumentum ad typo, which requires that
the refutation *depend* upon the incompetency demonstrated by the typo,
ie "you can't type, therefore you are dumb, therefore you are wrong and
I am right". I merely mentioned the typo in passing, out of the kindness
of my heart, and this is the thanks I get.
<G>. I type with two fingers, and one of those, is only part time.
In reply to your comment.
If we are to believe the honest xtians, in usenet, then if it is not the whole
country, is a dangerously significant fraction of it.
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| User: "EKurtz99" |
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| Title: Re: BBC Radio 4 - Today Programme. Should Intelligent Design Be TaughtInSchools? |
20 Dec 2004 05:31:51 PM |
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:k3mes0pvj1l8bld9urp8n55jrdooqdb06m@4ax.com...
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:35:37 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:01:08 +0000 (UTC), "EKurtz99"
<EKurtz99@TwilightZone.com>
wrote:
The belief that the "whole country" is simply waiting to follow such a
precedent (note spelling)
Argumentum ad typo.
I am defeated.
You may be defeated, but not by Argumentum ad typo, which requires that
the refutation *depend* upon the incompetency demonstrated by the typo,
ie "you can't type, therefore you are dumb, therefore you are wrong and
I am right". I merely mentioned the typo in passing, out of the kindness
of my heart, and this is the thanks I get.
<G>. I type with two fingers, and one of those, is only part time.
In reply to your comment.
If we are to believe the honest xtians, in usenet, then if it is not the
whole
country, is a dangerously significant fraction of it.
Which honest usenet Christians are these?
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