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"J Young" |
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28 Nov 2005 04:13:25 AM |
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Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary |
Many people may poke fun at the beliefs of the faithful, but the truth is
that there would be many converts to Catholicism if many who don't beleive
came to witness one of these miracles in progress. Don't let fear keep you
away.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_us/statue_s_tears;_ylt=AialXjnJFJk36o7KmnDGE4Os0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary
Carrying rosary beads and cameras, the faithful have been coming in a steady
stream to a church on the outskirts of Sacramento for a glimpse of what some
are calling a miracle: A statue of the Virgin Mary they say has begun crying
a substance that looks like blood.
It was first noticed more than a week ago, when a priest at the Vietnamese
Catholic Martyrs Church spotted a stain on the statue's face and wiped it
away. Before Mass on Nov. 20, people again noticed a reddish substance near
the eyes of the white concrete statue outside the small church, said Ky
Truong, 56, a parishioner.
Since then, Truong said he has been at the church day and night, so
emotional he can't even work. He believes the tears are a sign.
"There's a big event in the future - earthquake, flood, a disease," Truong
said. "We're very sad."
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| User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu" |
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| Title: Re: Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary |
28 Nov 2005 10:03:32 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> suddenly spluttered:
Many people may poke fun at the beliefs of the faithful, but
there would be many converts to Catholicism if many who don't beleive
came to misinterpret one of these 'unexplained' natural processes. Don't let the truth keep you
away.
There! I fixed it for you, and you know what? You don't even have to
thank me.
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "RS" |
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| Title: Re: Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary |
28 Nov 2005 05:08:46 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:t5qdnem5MsDKGRfenZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@giganews.com...
Many people may poke fun at the beliefs of the faithful, but the truth is
that there would be many converts to Catholicism if many who don't
beleive
came to witness one of these miracles in progress. Don't let fear keep you
away.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_us/statue_s_tears;_ylt=AialXjnJFJk36o7KmnDGE4Os0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary
Carrying rosary beads and cameras, the faithful have been coming in a
steady
stream to a church on the outskirts of Sacramento for a glimpse of what
some
are calling a miracle: A statue of the Virgin Mary they say has begun
crying
a substance that looks like blood.
It was first noticed more than a week ago, when a priest at the Vietnamese
Catholic Martyrs Church spotted a stain on the statue's face and wiped it
away. Before Mass on Nov. 20, people again noticed a reddish substance
near
the eyes of the white concrete statue outside the small church, said Ky
Truong, 56, a parishioner.
Since then, Truong said he has been at the church day and night, so
emotional he can't even work. He believes the tears are a sign.
"There's a big event in the future - earthquake, flood, a disease," Truong
said. "We're very sad."
J Young, don't be discouraged by those who ridicule this discovery. They
criticize an event which causes hundreds to grow more balanced in faith, to
grow closer to Christ through His blessed Mother. Let it be known that they
are demons meant to call us away from the gospel that Christ has given us
through His Church and that God has given us through Mary.
In Peace,
-RS
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| User: "LC" |
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28 Nov 2005 09:25:20 PM |
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:dmfdjt$3om$1@news3.bu.edu...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:t5qdnem5MsDKGRfenZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@giganews.com...
J Young, don't be discouraged by those who ridicule this discovery.
Errr, speaking of ridicule:
"The catholic church is, for the most part, totally corrupt. The
perfect prototype of what a religion looks like when man is the
one who creates it. Not to say that people can't find God even
there... People find Him in many evil places. But for the most part,
the catholic church is the great mother ***** of religion on planet
earth. On that, we can agree. But the catholic faith is not the only
branch of the tree. Just one of the dead ones."
From: (IBen Getiner AKA ":Jon Young")
Message-ID: <6ba61564.0403060100.23b22815@posting.google.com>
"More evidence of catholic hypocrisy. Any religion that the main-stream
media embraces should be looked at very closely."
From: (IBen Getiner AKA ":Jon Young")
Newsgroups: alt.support.foster-parents
Subject: Re: Vatican remains detached in pedophilia crisis (Why short fat
fa...
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:02:24 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
"No Catholic has ever wronged me in any way. I just know hypocrisy and
corruption smells like when I get close to it.
You represent the great mother ***** of religion on planet earth. You
control the thoughts, minds, hearts and purse-strings of millions who
do not have the strength to do these things for themselves."
From: (IBen Getiner AKA ":Jon Young")
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian.catholic,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,han.soc.religion.christianity.catholic
Subject: Re: Beginning of the End for catholic Church
Date: 23 Dec 2002 04:00:30 -0800
Message-ID:
"Ever notice that the mass media generally embraces Catholicism? This
should signal a red flag to any thinking soul in and of itself. I say
watch out for any religion that worships sinful mortals like the pope
or Mary."
From: (IBen Getiner AKA ":Jon Young")
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian.catholic,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,han.soc.religion.christianity.catholic
Subject: Re: Beginning of the End for catholic Church
Date: 14 Dec 2002 01:02:58 -0800
Message-ID:
criticize an event which causes hundreds to grow more balanced in faith,
to grow closer to Christ through His blessed Mother. Let it be known that
they are demons meant to call us away from the gospel that Christ has
given us through His Church and that God has given us through Mary.
Well, speaking of "demons", "J Young" really loves the babies:
"Why is it okay to kill a baby ,but not okay to f*ck him or her?"
From: (Jon Young)
Message-ID: <25e1e54f.0404252034.356729e@posting.google.com>
LC~ That's our house troll "J", admitted member of NAMBLA and the Klan.
"I take my hat off to the Nazis. What we need now is .... a solution. It can
be seen as a final one, if you like..." ~ J "IBen" Young.
Message-ID: <1129611930.510748.91890@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary |
28 Nov 2005 06:10:46 PM |
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All of these paranormal events finally turn out to be fakes or normal
physical reactions to unusual circumstances.
Non of turn out to be Proven miracles
Why would "Mary" pick only this statue and her "tears" to just excite
people. No message, no communication, no Mary, no nothing but hysteria.
"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:dmfdjt$3om$1@news3.bu.edu...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:t5qdnem5MsDKGRfenZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@giganews.com...
Many people may poke fun at the beliefs of the faithful, but the truth is
that there would be many converts to Catholicism if many who don't
beleive
came to witness one of these miracles in progress. Don't let fear keep
you
away.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_us/statue_s_tears;_ylt=AialXjnJFJk36o7KmnDGE4Os0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary
Carrying rosary beads and cameras, the faithful have been coming in a
steady
stream to a church on the outskirts of Sacramento for a glimpse of what
some
are calling a miracle: A statue of the Virgin Mary they say has begun
crying
a substance that looks like blood.
It was first noticed more than a week ago, when a priest at the
Vietnamese
Catholic Martyrs Church spotted a stain on the statue's face and wiped it
away. Before Mass on Nov. 20, people again noticed a reddish substance
near
the eyes of the white concrete statue outside the small church, said Ky
Truong, 56, a parishioner.
Since then, Truong said he has been at the church day and night, so
emotional he can't even work. He believes the tears are a sign.
"There's a big event in the future - earthquake, flood, a disease,"
Truong
said. "We're very sad."
J Young, don't be discouraged by those who ridicule this discovery. They
criticize an event which causes hundreds to grow more balanced in faith,
to grow closer to Christ through His blessed Mother. Let it be known that
they are demons meant to call us away from the gospel that Christ has
given us through His Church and that God has given us through Mary.
In Peace,
-RS
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| User: "Mordecai! mldavisplease dont" |
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28 Nov 2005 10:20:37 PM |
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Bill wrote:
All of these paranormal events finally turn out to be fakes or normal
physical reactions to unusual circumstances.
Non of turn out to be Proven miracles
Why would "Mary" pick only this statue and her "tears" to just excite
people. No message, no communication, no Mary, no nothing but hysteria.
Sigh - I spotted an anomily in the behaviour of a star. Therefore it is logical for you to worship my latest deity "agga bagga."
Trust me - if you cannot trust me, trust my sign.
When science explains away my anomily - then science is wrong ... just trust me.
There is a nice hat rack at the door for parking your brains ... right beside a donations for the poor bin ... I am poor after all.
Just trust me.
"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:dmfdjt$3om$1@news3.bu.edu...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:t5qdnem5MsDKGRfenZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@giganews.com...
Many people may poke fun at the beliefs of the faithful, but the truth is
that there would be many converts to Catholicism if many who don't
beleive
came to witness one of these miracles in progress. Don't let fear keep
you
away.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_us/statue_s_tears;_ylt=AialXjnJFJk36o7KmnDGE4Os0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary
Carrying rosary beads and cameras, the faithful have been coming in a
steady
stream to a church on the outskirts of Sacramento for a glimpse of what
some
are calling a miracle: A statue of the Virgin Mary they say has begun
crying
a substance that looks like blood.
It was first noticed more than a week ago, when a priest at the
Vietnamese
Catholic Martyrs Church spotted a stain on the statue's face and wiped it
away. Before Mass on Nov. 20, people again noticed a reddish substance
near
the eyes of the white concrete statue outside the small church, said Ky
Truong, 56, a parishioner.
Since then, Truong said he has been at the church day and night, so
emotional he can't even work. He believes the tears are a sign.
"There's a big event in the future - earthquake, flood, a disease,"
Truong
said. "We're very sad."
J Young, don't be discouraged by those who ridicule this discovery. They
criticize an event which causes hundreds to grow more balanced in faith,
to grow closer to Christ through His blessed Mother. Let it be known that
they are demons meant to call us away from the gospel that Christ has
given us through His Church and that God has given us through Mary.
In Peace,
-RS
--
Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
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| User: "Olrik" |
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29 Nov 2005 06:16:44 AM |
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RS wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:t5qdnem5MsDKGRfenZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@giganews.com...
Many people may poke fun at the beliefs of the faithful, but the truth is
that there would be many converts to Catholicism if many who don't
beleive
came to witness one of these miracles in progress. Don't let fear keep you
away.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_us/statue_s_tears;_ylt=AialXjnJFJk36o7KmnDGE4Os0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary
Carrying rosary beads and cameras, the faithful have been coming in a
steady
stream to a church on the outskirts of Sacramento for a glimpse of what
some
are calling a miracle: A statue of the Virgin Mary they say has begun
crying
a substance that looks like blood.
It was first noticed more than a week ago, when a priest at the Vietnamese
Catholic Martyrs Church spotted a stain on the statue's face and wiped it
away. Before Mass on Nov. 20, people again noticed a reddish substance
near
the eyes of the white concrete statue outside the small church, said Ky
Truong, 56, a parishioner.
Since then, Truong said he has been at the church day and night, so
emotional he can't even work. He believes the tears are a sign.
"There's a big event in the future - earthquake, flood, a disease," Truong
said. "We're very sad."
J Young, don't be discouraged by those who ridicule this discovery.
It's not a "discovery", it's a scam.
They
criticize an event which causes hundreds to grow more balanced in faith, to
grow closer to Christ through His blessed Mother.
So, it's "god" through "Christ" through "His blessed Mother". Next thing
you know, it will be through some sort of holy spirit!
Oh wait...
Let it be known that they
are demons meant to call us away from the gospel that Christ has given us
through His Church and that God has given us through Mary.
"through His Church"? Well, make up your !&/"%* mind!
In Peace,
And war. Don't forget the Crusades!
-RS
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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29 Nov 2005 08:28:12 AM |
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RS wrote:
J Young, don't be discouraged by those who ridicule this discovery. They
criticize an event which causes hundreds to grow more balanced in faith, to
grow closer to Christ through His blessed Mother. Let it be known that they
are demons meant to call us away from the gospel that Christ has given us
through His Church and that God has given us through Mary.
I wonder what's so special about this Mary anyway. Jesus didn't even
want to see her:
"Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand
without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and
who are my brethren?"
- Matthew 12:47-48
RS
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29 Nov 2005 09:58:04 AM |
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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29 Nov 2005 03:13:42 PM |
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In article <1133258284.706435.223030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
totoole67@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
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It ain't PP, its olive oil with a bit of food coloring in it.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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29 Nov 2005 01:08:12 AM |
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RS wrote:
J Young, don't be discouraged by those who ridicule this discovery. They
criticize an event which causes hundreds to grow more balanced
in faith, to grow closer to Christ through His blessed Mother. Let
it be known that they are demons meant to call us away from the
gospel that Christ has given us through His Church and that God has
given us through Mary.
In Peace,
Yes, it's far more important for this insane god to make statues bleed then
do something that might help people and have a much stronger impact on
faith.
One magic message on a wall "No malaria after 12/31/2005 2359 hrs" and then
have it stop killing several million a year.
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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28 Nov 2005 10:23:03 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Many people may poke fun at the beliefs of the faithful, but the truth is
that there would be many converts to Catholicism if many who don't beleive
came to witness one of these miracles in progress. Don't let fear keep you
away.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_us/statue_s_tears;_ylt=AialXjnJFJk36o7KmnDGE4Os0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary
Carrying rosary beads and cameras, the faithful have been coming in a steady
stream to a church on the outskirts of Sacramento for a glimpse of what some
are calling a miracle: A statue of the Virgin Mary they say has begun crying
a substance that looks like blood.
Someone should bitchslap some sense into them.
RS
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| User: "Richo" |
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28 Nov 2005 05:48:33 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Many people may poke fun at the beliefs of the faithful, but the truth is
that there would be many converts to Catholicism if many who don't beleive
came to witness one of these miracles in progress. Don't let fear keep you
away.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_us/statue_s_tears;_ylt=AialXjnJFJk36o7KmnDGE4Os0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary
I have heard about these crying statues before. One way they can work
is that they have a hollow space inside filled with scented oil.
The material they are made from is porous - enough for the oil sealed
inside to slowly make its way out to the eyes where the impermiable
glaze/paint is weakened - perhaps in a spot the size of a pinhead..
It's a cheap trick - but it works!
An even easier trick is that the statues owner pours a little oil on
the statue when no one is looking.
From the references I have see the tears are usually olive oil or
vagatable oil of some sort.
The superstitious and gullible lap this up. ( the con - not the oil!)
Mark.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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29 Nov 2005 02:31:09 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:13:25 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Many people may poke fun at the beliefs of the faithful, but the truth is
that there would be many converts to Catholicism if many who don't beleive
came to witness one of these miracles in progress. Don't let fear keep you
away.
Holy *****!
A stain on the ground is 'reason' for belief!
Oh man! Thank GOD I drink!
As Donnie Baker would say, 'You're crazy, man! I swear to god,
you're crazy! And I'll tell it to your face!'
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "MarkA" |
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28 Nov 2005 05:45:29 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:13:25 -0500, J Young wrote:
Many people may poke fun at the beliefs of the faithful, but the truth is
that there would be many converts to Catholicism if many who don't beleive
came to witness one of these miracles in progress. Don't let fear keep you
away.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_us/statue_s_tears;_ylt=AialXjnJFJk36o7KmnDGE4Os0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary
Carrying rosary beads and cameras, the faithful have been coming in a steady
stream to a church on the outskirts of Sacramento for a glimpse of what some
are calling a miracle: A statue of the Virgin Mary they say has begun crying
a substance that looks like blood.
It was first noticed more than a week ago, when a priest at the Vietnamese
Catholic Martyrs Church spotted a stain on the statue's face and wiped it
away. Before Mass on Nov. 20, people again noticed a reddish substance near
the eyes of the white concrete statue outside the small church, said Ky
Truong, 56, a parishioner.
Since then, Truong said he has been at the church day and night, so
emotional he can't even work. He believes the tears are a sign.
"There's a big event in the future - earthquake, flood, a disease," Truong
said. "We're very sad."
A crying statue? That's a pretty lame miracle, if you ask me. And as for
earthquake, flood, disease in the future.....well, DUH! You can flock to
my house, and I'll tell you that!
I can understand people wanting to believe, but don't be a fucking idiot
about it.
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "Daniel Jackson" |
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28 Nov 2005 05:56:30 AM |
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Ok.Could you produce the numbers of people that statues bleeding or crying,
stigmata, or Jesus face in cheerios converted?
And if so, you have a conundrum.
I thought it was about all about faith.
And I am a christian.
Please, produce the numbers.
"MarkA" <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.11.28.05.45.22.73328@nowhere.com...
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:13:25 -0500, J Young wrote:
Many people may poke fun at the beliefs of the faithful, but the truth is
that there would be many converts to Catholicism if many who don't
beleive
came to witness one of these miracles in progress. Don't let fear keep
you
away.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_us/statue_s_tears;_ylt=AialXjnJFJk36o7KmnDGE4Os0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary
Carrying rosary beads and cameras, the faithful have been coming in a
steady
stream to a church on the outskirts of Sacramento for a glimpse of what
some
are calling a miracle: A statue of the Virgin Mary they say has begun
crying
a substance that looks like blood.
It was first noticed more than a week ago, when a priest at the
Vietnamese
Catholic Martyrs Church spotted a stain on the statue's face and wiped it
away. Before Mass on Nov. 20, people again noticed a reddish substance
near
the eyes of the white concrete statue outside the small church, said Ky
Truong, 56, a parishioner.
Since then, Truong said he has been at the church day and night, so
emotional he can't even work. He believes the tears are a sign.
"There's a big event in the future - earthquake, flood, a disease,"
Truong
said. "We're very sad."
A crying statue? That's a pretty lame miracle, if you ask me. And as for
earthquake, flood, disease in the future.....well, DUH! You can flock to
my house, and I'll tell you that!
I can understand people wanting to believe, but don't be a fucking idiot
about it.
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "Stephen Korsman" |
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30 Nov 2005 04:06:52 PM |
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"Daniel Jackson" <Jackson_SG-1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:s76dnYVKjKOTARfeRVn-rQ@giganews.com...
Ok.Could you produce the numbers of people that statues bleeding or
crying,
stigmata, or Jesus face in cheerios converted?
And if so, you have a conundrum.
I thought it was about all about faith.
And I am a christian.
Please, produce the numbers.
It's like speaking in tongues - a witness to those who need it. In my
experience, more people have increased their faith due to seeing or hearing
of such miracles than hearing or seeing or speaking in tongues. I don't
have figures, though, and my experience is more within the Catholic world,
but either way, neither is essential, but both do good.
God bless,
Stephen
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Stephen Korsman
website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
blog: http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/
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| User: "MarkA" |
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30 Nov 2005 10:21:30 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:06:52 +0200, Stephen Korsman wrote:
"Daniel Jackson" <Jackson_SG-1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:s76dnYVKjKOTARfeRVn-rQ@giganews.com...
Ok.Could you produce the numbers of people that statues bleeding or
crying,
stigmata, or Jesus face in cheerios converted?
And if so, you have a conundrum.
I thought it was about all about faith.
And I am a christian.
Please, produce the numbers.
It's like speaking in tongues - a witness to those who need it. In my
experience, more people have increased their faith due to seeing or hearing
of such miracles than hearing or seeing or speaking in tongues. I don't
have figures, though, and my experience is more within the Catholic world,
but either way, neither is essential, but both do good.
God bless,
Stephen
I'm not sure that that encouraging people to accept the authenticity of
so-called 'miracles', none of which have ever been confirmed, would
qualify as 'doing good' in my book. But then, I have never been able to
figure out what was so bad about Thomas wanting to see for himself.
Considering all the frauds and scams that are known to exist, I don't see
how a little skepticism could be considered bad.
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "Daniel Jackson" |
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| Title: Re: Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary |
28 Nov 2005 04:21:55 AM |
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What exactly would be the purpose of making a statue cry, considering that
you are ALREADY a believer?
Encouragement?Crying for our sins?
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:t5qdnem5MsDKGRfenZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@giganews.com...
Many people may poke fun at the beliefs of the faithful, but the truth is
that there would be many converts to Catholicism if many who don't
beleive
came to witness one of these miracles in progress. Don't let fear keep you
away.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_us/statue_s_tears;_ylt=AialXjnJFJk36o7KmnDGE4Os0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary
Carrying rosary beads and cameras, the faithful have been coming in a
steady
stream to a church on the outskirts of Sacramento for a glimpse of what
some
are calling a miracle: A statue of the Virgin Mary they say has begun
crying
a substance that looks like blood.
It was first noticed more than a week ago, when a priest at the Vietnamese
Catholic Martyrs Church spotted a stain on the statue's face and wiped it
away. Before Mass on Nov. 20, people again noticed a reddish substance
near
the eyes of the white concrete statue outside the small church, said Ky
Truong, 56, a parishioner.
Since then, Truong said he has been at the church day and night, so
emotional he can't even work. He believes the tears are a sign.
"There's a big event in the future - earthquake, flood, a disease," Truong
said. "We're very sad."
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Believers Flock to 'Crying' Virgin Mary |
29 Nov 2005 05:58:52 AM |
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in article t5qdnem5MsDKGRfenZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 11/27/05 11:13 PM:
Many people may poke fun at the beliefs of the faithful, but the truth is
that there would be many converts to Catholicism if many who don't beleive
came to witness one of these miracles in progress. Don't let fear keep you
away.
No...the idea of spending eternity as a servant to J Young in
Catholic Heaven is what keeps me away.
Paul
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