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"ArWeGod" |
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21 Aug 2003 05:09:01 AM |
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Believers want to at least appear rational |
"Believers want to at least appear rational."
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
..etc...
Quotemeister since March 2002
Those without Belief:
I think we can all go home now. I understand the Theist:
"They WANT to appear rational." And I Believe them!
I have found something to Believe in.
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ArWeGod@sbc_global.net
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Believers want to at least appear rational |
21 Aug 2003 09:50:47 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:09:01 GMT, "ArWeGod"
<ArWeGod@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Believers want to at least appear rational."
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
..etc...
Quotemeister since March 2002
Those without Belief:
I think we can all go home now. I understand the Theist:
"They WANT to appear rational." And I Believe them!
I have found something to Believe in.
In similar vein: Everyone wants to appear to be good.
Even the worst criminals believe they are justified. Sometimes
they find it hard work, but they do it.
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Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "metahuman" |
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| Title: Re: Believers want to at least appear rational |
21 Aug 2003 05:18:47 AM |
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Yet all belief is essentially irrational. I don't see how you can appear rational if you promote
your irrational beliefs.
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1T01b.3723$GF.715@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...
"Believers want to at least appear rational."
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
..etc...
Quotemeister since March 2002
Those without Belief:
I think we can all go home now. I understand the Theist:
"They WANT to appear rational." And I Believe them!
I have found something to Believe in.
--
ArWeGod@sbc_global.net
Remove underscore to email.
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| User: "peter" |
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| Title: Re: Believers want to at least appear rational |
21 Aug 2003 07:41:08 AM |
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metahuman wrote:
Yet all belief is essentially irrational. I don't see how you can appear
rational if you promote your irrational beliefs.
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1T01b.3723$GF.715@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...
"Believers want to at least appear rational."
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
..etc...
Quotemeister since March 2002
Those without Belief:
I think we can all go home now. I understand the Theist:
"They WANT to appear rational." And I Believe them!
I have found something to Believe in.
--
ArWeGod@sbc_global.net
Remove underscore to email.
I'd say illogical more than irrational (for the generalisation on belief).
For example, it is not logical to be sure that, say, the sun will rise in
the morning. Considering the odds of it not happening though, it is quite
rational.
peter
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He who chose his belief system because of the unsurpassed opportunities for
pedantry.
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| User: "metahuman" |
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| Title: Re: Believers want to at least appear rational |
21 Aug 2003 07:21:21 PM |
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"peter" <z@b.com> wrote in message news:bi2ejq$seo$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au...
I'd say illogical more than irrational (for the generalisation on belief).
For example, it is not logical to be sure that, say, the sun will rise in
the morning. Considering the odds of it not happening though, it is quite
rational.
peter
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He who chose his belief system because of the unsurpassed opportunities for
pedantry.
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All belief is essentially irrational, as belief can only occur where acceptance is not compelled,
for if acceptance is compelled, then belief is not required to accept that thing. Belief is thus the
acceptance of some thing as being provisionally true where: contradictory evidence exists which
throws doubt upon or compels the rejection of the thing being accepted as truth; or where
insufficient evidence exists to compel or suggest acceptance of the thing as truth.
Like Mr. Lee said, part of the problem is vocabulary usage. We accept, not believe, that the sun
will rise in the morning given the evidence (events, etc.) we had acknowledged in the past.
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| User: "J.R." |
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| Title: Re: Believers want to at least appear rational |
22 Aug 2003 12:28:04 AM |
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"metahuman" <@metavirus.net> wrote in message news:<6md1b.6479$Qy4.4389@fed1read05>...
"peter" <z@b.com> wrote in message news:bi2ejq$seo$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au...
I'd say illogical more than irrational (for the generalisation on belief).
For example, it is not logical to be sure that, say, the sun will rise in
the morning. Considering the odds of it not happening though, it is quite
rational.
peter
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He who chose his belief system because of the unsurpassed opportunities for
pedantry.
----
All belief is essentially irrational, as belief can only occur where acceptance is not compelled,
for if acceptance is compelled, then belief is not required to accept that thing. Belief is thus the
acceptance of some thing as being provisionally true where: contradictory evidence exists which
throws doubt upon or compels the rejection of the thing being accepted as truth; or where
insufficient evidence exists to compel or suggest acceptance of the thing as truth.
Like Mr. Lee said, part of the problem is vocabulary usage. We accept, not believe, that the sun
will rise in the morning given the evidence (events, etc.) we had acknowledged in the past.
I believe that what I used to believe is no the same as what I still
believe. What I still believe now is more believeable than what I
used to believe which is less believeable than what I believe now.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Believers want to at least appear rational |
21 Aug 2003 11:07:02 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:41:08 +1000, peter <z@b.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
I'd say illogical more than irrational (for the generalisation on belief).
For example, it is not logical to be sure that, say, the sun will rise in
the morning. Considering the odds of it not happening though, it is quite
rational.
It's very logical, if one knows what causes it to appear to rise.
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"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Believers want to at least appear rational |
21 Aug 2003 07:56:02 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:41:08 +1000, peter <z@b.com> wrote:
metahuman wrote:
Yet all belief is essentially irrational. I don't see how you can appear
rational if you promote your irrational beliefs.
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1T01b.3723$GF.715@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...
"Believers want to at least appear rational."
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
..etc...
Quotemeister since March 2002
Those without Belief:
I think we can all go home now. I understand the Theist:
"They WANT to appear rational." And I Believe them!
I have found something to Believe in.
--
ArWeGod@sbc_global.net
Remove underscore to email.
I'd say illogical more than irrational (for the generalisation on belief).
For example, it is not logical to be sure that, say, the sun will rise in
the morning. Considering the odds of it not happening though, it is quite
rational.
That is an example of the problem - a lot of things are occasionally
described as beliefs. Believers (and a few others) like to replace
whatever better word we normally use, with "belief" in an effort to
equate it with their kind of belief.
peter
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He who chose his belief system because of the unsurpassed opportunities for
pedantry.
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