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26 Sep 2003 10:12:45 PM |
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Believing |
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
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| User: "Woden" |
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26 Sep 2003 10:32:59 PM |
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"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net:
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
Only to those who don't believe in the same god.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Chocoholic" |
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| Title: Re: Believing |
28 Sep 2003 10:26:05 PM |
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9403755E37AEwodennet@216.168.3.44...
"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net:
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
Only to those who don't believe in the same god.
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Woden
My favorite bumper sticker of all time: You go YAHWEH and I'll go mine!
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
BTW, excellent summation, but where does this come from?
Sigs without cites are frustrating.
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| User: "Woden" |
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28 Sep 2003 11:13:22 PM |
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"Chocoholic" <Chocoholic@Cocoa.org> wrote in
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9403755E37AEwodennet@216.168.3.44...
"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net:
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
Only to those who don't believe in the same god.
--
Woden
My favorite bumper sticker of all time: You go YAHWEH and I'll go mine!
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
BTW, excellent summation, but where does this come from?
Sigs without cites are frustrating.
Me. ;)
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Ryft Braeloch" |
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| Title: Re: Believing |
26 Sep 2003 10:53:40 PM |
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"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net...
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
I guess that would depend on what is meant by "believing in God" -- what is
involved, what is the extent, etc. To merely believe that God exists? No,
that does not hurt, nor can I imagine how it ever could. To believe in God
in the same way that I believe in, say, my sister? By that I suppose I mean
to say believing in their potential, their worth, their word. Believing in
God in that context does not hurt either.
Things can begin to hurt, however, when we believe things about God. It's
not necessarily true, but certainly possible. For instance, if we believe
things about God (theology) that lead us into an all-consuming guilt complex
about our worthlessness as a person, then yeah that's going to hurt -- not
only emotionally but also mentally. Or if we believe God has commanded
certain things, like the eradication of a particular nation or race of
people because they have been "cursed by God" or they are heretics in need
of the cleansing purification of fire... etc.
Really depends on what you mean by "believing in God."
---
David G. Nesbitt
Kelowna, BC
"Faith does not prove all claims equally. If faith does
anything at all equally, it fails to prove any claim at all."
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| User: "Take Clayton Only As Directed" |
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| Title: Re: Believing |
27 Sep 2003 02:30:50 AM |
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"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net...
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
Sure as hell hurt the people in the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon and
those four planes! Certainly hurt all the victims of the Crusades, the
Inquisition and the witch hunts. Really, really hurt all the Branch
Dividians and Jim Jones Jonestown followers. In fact believing in God has
hurt more people than can actually be counted...so the answer to your mushy
question is....YES!!
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| User: "Appelonius" |
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27 Sep 2003 12:10:52 AM |
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"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net...
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
That depends. Apparently, if you believe wrong things about him, he might
smite you!
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Believing |
01 Oct 2003 09:05:34 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:10:52 -0400, "Appelonius"
<noneofyourbuseness@myemail.com>, Message ID:
<vna6v2i4tlt85f@corp.supernews.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net...
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
That depends. Apparently, if you believe wrong things about him, he might
smite you!
Or even if you believe the right things. Such is by definition 'good.'
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Believing |
29 Sep 2003 11:57:54 PM |
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"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net...
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
Yes, to logical minds.
--
Chris
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| User: "jwk" |
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30 Sep 2003 10:41:49 AM |
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"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net>...
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
Ask the people who get drowned being fully immersed for baptism. Ask
the kids who are killed having demons exercised. Ask the witches who
were burned. Ask the women who are stoned to death. Ask the children
who were *****-fucked. Do I need to go on?
jwk
BAAWA
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Oct 2003 09:07:13 PM |
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On 30 Sep 2003 08:41:49 -0700, (jwk), Message ID:
<c6f5ba32.0309300741.7624f679@posting.google.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net>...
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
Ask the people who get drowned being fully immersed for baptism. Ask
the kids who are killed having demons exercised. Ask the witches who
were burned. Ask the women who are stoned to death. Ask the children
who were *****-fucked. Do I need to go on?
Ah, but they were "god swill" and for a 'greater good.'
(insert other xtian mindless prattling here)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Expert Astronomer" |
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| Title: Re: Believing |
26 Sep 2003 11:25:12 PM |
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Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Believing |
28 Sep 2003 11:21:40 PM |
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In article <CVQEH51P37891.2675@anonymous.poster>,
Expert Astronomer <min.ph.d@dept.astro.physics.cornell.edv> wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, "mush97" wrote:
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
Like Hell! Get it?
________________________________________________
LINKS TO FINE ON-LINE BOOKS BY DANIEL JOSEPH MIN
________________________________________________
Now stay plonked!
<PLONK!>
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Believing |
27 Sep 2003 07:16:04 PM |
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On 27 Sep 2003 04:25:12 -0000, Expert Astronomer
<min.ph.d@dept.astro.physics.cornell.edv> posted in alt.atheism:
________________________________________________
LINKS TO FINE ON-LINE BOOKS BY DANIEL JOSEPH MIN
________________________________________________
http://www.your.local.garbage.dump
http://the.nearest.swamp
http://the.sewer.system
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus (2nd century C.E.)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Believing |
28 Sep 2003 09:16:49 AM |
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 00:16:04 +0000, Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Sep 2003 04:25:12 -0000, Expert Astronomer
<min.ph.d@dept.astro.physics.cornell.edv> posted in alt.atheism:
________________________________________________
LINKS TO FINE ON-LINE BOOKS BY DANIEL JOSEPH MIN
________________________________________________
http://www.your.local.garbage.dump
http://the.nearest.swamp
http://the.sewer.system
Not to forget:
http://www.waste.of/bandwidth
http://www.trollcentral.info/min
http://www.crazypeople.org/min
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Believing |
02 Oct 2003 05:23:44 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:16:49 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 00:16:04 +0000, Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Sep 2003 04:25:12 -0000, Expert Astronomer
<min.ph.d@dept.astro.physics.cornell.edv> posted in alt.atheism:
________________________________________________
LINKS TO FINE ON-LINE BOOKS BY DANIEL JOSEPH MIN
________________________________________________
http://www.your.local.garbage.dump
http://the.nearest.swamp
http://the.sewer.system
Not to forget:
http://www.waste.of/bandwidth
http://www.trollcentral.info/min
http://www.crazypeople.org/min
I just tried all 6 web addresses ...
and the last is a recently registered domain name!
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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02 Oct 2003 06:03:33 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:23:44 +0100, Martin Thomas wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:16:49 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 00:16:04 +0000, Al Klein wrote:
On 27 Sep 2003 04:25:12 -0000, Expert Astronomer
<min.ph.d@dept.astro.physics.cornell.edv> posted in alt.atheism:
________________________________________________
LINKS TO FINE ON-LINE BOOKS BY DANIEL JOSEPH MIN
________________________________________________
http://www.your.local.garbage.dump
http://the.nearest.swamp
http://the.sewer.system
Not to forget:
http://www.waste.of/bandwidth
http://www.trollcentral.info/min
http://www.crazypeople.org/min
I just tried all 6 web addresses ...
and the last is a recently registered domain name!
Really?
Has Min finally found a home?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Sep 2003 09:14:59 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:25:12 +0000, Expert Astronomer wrote:
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--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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| User: "*Nemo*" |
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28 Sep 2003 06:22:54 PM |
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In article <bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net>,
"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote:
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
Sometimes.
Does it help? Not the way I see it.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "LP" |
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27 Sep 2003 03:23:24 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:12:45 +0500, "mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
Yes, it does.
One cannot simple choose to believe in a god.
If someone asked you to believe that the earth was flat, and that
it was covered with a dome sprinkled with tiny pinpoint lights, you
would be unable to believe it merely by just choosing to do so. The
reason you could not simple choose to believe the earth is flat is
because their is ample data to suggest otherwise. You would be unable
to just ignore this data. The whole idea is irrational. The only way
you could accept a flat earth as being valid would be to suspend the
use of your rational mind when thinking about this particular subject,
just as you have done with regard to the existence of gods.
I am incapable of willingly suspending the use of my rational mind,
even if I believed that I would get an imaginary magical invisible
protector as a reward.
Each time that you suspend the use of your rational mind in order to
add artificial glitter to your view of reality, there is a cost. The
cost may seem insignificant at the individual level, but when the
numbers are great, the cost to society is enormous.
Does it hurt?
Not only does it hurt, it is quit often deadly.
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Oct 2003 09:03:49 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:12:45 +0500, "mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com>,
Message ID: <bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
It should.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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01 Oct 2003 08:11:09 PM |
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<piggybacking>
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:12:45 +0500, "mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com>,
Message ID: <bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
It not only hurts, it kills.
--
L8r,
Avender
- -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - --
Common is the man who can be fashioned into a
reflection of the era in which he lives.
Rare is the man who can take the era in which
he lives, and fashion it into a reflection
of himself.
- -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - --
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Oct 2003 12:45:55 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 01:11:09 GMT, (Bill, The
Avender), Message ID: <3f877b2c.4925143@newsgroups.bellsouth.net> wrote
in alt.atheism;
<piggybacking>
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:12:45 +0500, "mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com>,
Message ID: <bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
It not only hurts, it kills.
And keeps on doing both.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "MarkA" |
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27 Sep 2003 06:55:09 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:12:45 +0500, mush97 wrote:
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
YES. I already believe in the Easter Bunny, and HE is a very jealous
Bunny. HE will not toleate me having another GOD before HIM.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Appelonius" |
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27 Sep 2003 07:03:24 PM |
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"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.09.27.23.54.58.127793@stopspam.net...
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:12:45 +0500, mush97 wrote:
YES. I already believe in the Easter Bunny, and HE is a very jealous
Bunny. HE will not toleate me having another GOD before HIM.
What about having gods *after* him?
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| User: "MarkA" |
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29 Sep 2003 06:34:38 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:03:24 +0000, Appelonius wrote:
"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.09.27.23.54.58.127793@stopspam.net...
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:12:45 +0500, mush97 wrote:
YES. I already believe in the Easter Bunny, and HE is a very jealous
Bunny. HE will not toleate me having another GOD before HIM.
What about having gods *after* him?
That HE doesn't mind. Just watch out for the little Divine Bunny Turds,
aka "Holy *****."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "mush97" |
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28 Sep 2003 02:21:48 AM |
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Good answer.
"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.09.27.23.54.58.127793@stopspam.net...
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:12:45 +0500, mush97 wrote:
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
YES. I already believe in the Easter Bunny, and HE is a very jealous
Bunny. HE will not toleate me having another GOD before HIM.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Sep 2003 09:08:30 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:12:45 +0500, mush97 wrote:
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
Yes.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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| User: "Joe" |
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27 Sep 2003 01:09:42 AM |
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Possibly if your a catholic altar boy.
"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bl2v9p$jnc@library2.airnews.net...
Believing in God.
Does it hurt???
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