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14 May 2004 10:39:19 AM |
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Believing On The Lord Jesus Christ |
Believing On The Lord Jesus Christ
Many people do not understand why the Bible talks about
believing(trusting) ON the Lord Jesus Christ. There are several reason
for the use of the preposition ON:
1. When Jesus was crucified he had two men on either side of Him. Isaiah
53:6 says:
"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own
way; and the Lord hath laid ON Him the iniquity of us all."
So where is that iniquity now? It is ON Him for the penitent.
The man on the left of Jesus was the impentitent thief: His sin was IN
him and ON him.
The man or the right of Jesus was the penitent thief: his sin was IN him
but not ON him because his ON sin was placed ON the Lord. Luke 23:39-43
The Lord, in the middle had no sin IN Him or ON Him but all our sin was
laid ON Him.
So where do we place our trust(belief)? We place it ON Him.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on
Him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into
condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." John 5:24
If you do not know the Lord Jesus Christ through faith(trust) you have not
placed your sin ON Him and it is still IN you and ON you. Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
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15 May 2004 10:47:14 AM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
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Believing On The Lord Jesus Christ
Many people do not understand why the Bible talks about
believing(trusting) ON the Lord Jesus Christ.
Years ago, I did that . . . one day, though, he hollered at me, "Jesus
Christ, goet off my friggin' back, will ya?"
So I did, and that's that . . . got me a unicycle instead.
-Tock
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| User: "IKnowHimDoYou" |
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15 May 2004 12:09:21 PM |
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In article <6Yqpc.383$mj2.330@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>,
<tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-1405040839190001@pm10-39.kalama.com...
Believing On The Lord Jesus Christ
Many people do not understand why the Bible talks about
believing(trusting) ON the Lord Jesus Christ.
Years ago, I did that . . . one day, though, he hollered at me, "Jesus
Christ, goet off my friggin' back, will ya?"
So I did, and that's that . . . got me a unicycle instead.
-Tock
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So now you ride around in little circles like a clown?
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| User: "LP" |
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15 May 2004 05:49:13 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 10:09:21 -0700,
(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
In article <6Yqpc.383$mj2.330@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>,
<tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"IKnowHimDoYou" < > wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-1405040839190001@pm10-39.kalama.com...
Believing On The Lord Jesus Christ
Many people do not understand why the Bible talks about
believing(trusting) ON the Lord Jesus Christ.
Years ago, I did that . . . one day, though, he hollered at me, "Jesus
Christ, goet off my friggin' back, will ya?"
So I did, and that's that . . . got me a unicycle instead.
-Tock
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So now you ride around in little circles like a clown?
Why do you ask, are you looking for company?
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: Believing On The Lord Jesus Christ |
14 May 2004 03:44:47 PM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-1405040839190001@pm10-39.kalama.com...
Believing On The Lord Jesus Christ
Many people do not understand why the Bible talks about
believing(trusting) ON the Lord Jesus Christ. There are several reason
for the use of the preposition ON:
1. When Jesus was crucified he had two men on either side of Him. Isaiah
53:6 says:
"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own
way; and the Lord hath laid ON Him the iniquity of us all."
So where is that iniquity now? It is ON Him for the penitent.
The man on the left of Jesus was the impentitent thief: His sin was IN
him and ON him.
The man or the right of Jesus was the penitent thief: his sin was IN him
but not ON him because his ON sin was placed ON the Lord. Luke 23:39-43
The Lord, in the middle had no sin IN Him or ON Him but all our sin was
laid ON Him.
So where do we place our trust(belief)? We place it ON Him.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on
Him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into
condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." John 5:24
If you do not know the Lord Jesus Christ through faith(trust) you have not
placed your sin ON Him and it is still IN you and ON you. Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
*****!!
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| User: "jw" |
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14 May 2004 10:32:31 PM |
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 16:44:47 -0400, "Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote:
john w replied
"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-1405040839190001@pm10-39.kalama.com...
Believing On The Lord Jesus Christ
Many people do not understand why the Bible talks about
believing(trusting) ON the Lord Jesus Christ. There are several reason
for the use of the preposition ON:
1. When Jesus was crucified he had two men on either side of Him. Isaiah
53:6 says:
"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own
way; and the Lord hath laid ON Him the iniquity of us all."
So where is that iniquity now? It is ON Him for the penitent.
The man on the left of Jesus was the impentitent thief: His sin was IN
him and ON him.
The man or the right of Jesus was the penitent thief: his sin was IN him
but not ON him because his ON sin was placed ON the Lord. Luke 23:39-43
The Lord, in the middle had no sin IN Him or ON Him but all our sin was
laid ON Him.
So where do we place our trust(belief)? We place it ON Him.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on
Him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into
condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." John 5:24
If you do not know the Lord Jesus Christ through faith(trust) you have not
placed your sin ON Him and it is still IN you and ON you. Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
*****!!
Yes, that's what your one-word comment is.
jw
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| User: "John Baker" |
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16 May 2004 11:28:44 PM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
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Believing On The Lord Jesus Christ
<sigh> We really don't care what you believe. If it makes you feel good to
believe a dead carpenter is your personal savior, more power to you. But
please, get it through that pointy little head of yours that not everyone
believes it, and nothing you can say will change that.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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14 May 2004 08:52:11 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
Believing On The Lord Jesus Christ
Many people do not understand why the Bible talks about
believing(trusting) ON the Lord Jesus Christ.
Amongst other things.
There are several reason
for the use of the preposition ON:
[ snip some word games ]
Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
Actually, creationist arguments hold that distinction.
Regards,
Josef
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are
so unlike your Christ.
-- Mahatma Gandhi
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| User: "jw" |
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14 May 2004 10:44:51 PM |
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:11 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
john w replied
In a message sent 'round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
Believing On The Lord Jesus Christ
Many people do not understand why the Bible talks about
believing(trusting) ON the Lord Jesus Christ.
Amongst other things.
There are several reason
for the use of the preposition ON:
[ snip some word games ]
Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
Actually, creationist arguments hold that distinction.
Actually, those who make such statements are the foolish. Who are you
to question God?
If you don't believe in creation, that only means that your mind is
too small to believe in the God who is capable of creating all that is
in 6 literal days.
And since there is more science in the Bible, (meteorology and
astronomy for two) I'll go with the Bible's version.
jw
Regards,
Josef
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are
so unlike your Christ.
-- Mahatma Gandhi
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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15 May 2004 07:52:10 AM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:11 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
john w replied
In a message sent 'round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
....
Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
Actually, creationist arguments hold that distinction.
Actually, those who make such statements are the foolish.
The Christian creation myth is a fallacy.
http://tinyurl.com/qg1e
Who are you
to question God?
You cannot demonstrate that this deity exists.
If you don't believe in creation, that only means that your mind is
too small to believe in the God who is capable of creating all that is
in 6 literal days.
If you believe this creation myth then your mind is too small for
logical argumentation.
And since there is more science in the Bible, (meteorology and
astronomy for two) I'll go with the Bible's version.
Your mind is also too small for understanding proper sentence structure.
Regards,
Josef
For as it is the chief concern of wise men to retrench the evils of life
by the reasonings of philosophy, it is the employment of fools to
multiply them by the sentiments of superstition.
-- Joseph Addison
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23 May 2004 12:23:27 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 08:52:10 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
jw replied
In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:11 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
john w replied
In a message sent 'round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
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Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
Actually, creationist arguments hold that distinction.
Actually, those who make such statements are the foolish.
The Christian creation myth is a fallacy.
There are the foolish few who believe that; then there are the
Creationist scientists, professionals in every discipline including
astronautics, who are creationist scientists.
http://tinyurl.com/qg1e
Who are you
to question God?
You cannot demonstrate that this deity exists.
Sure I can. I do it every day. For those who are openminded enough to
look outside their need to worship self.
If you don't believe in creation, that only means that your mind is
too small to believe in the God who is capable of creating all that is
in 6 literal days.
If you believe this creation myth then your mind is too small for
logical argumentation.
LOL!!! Sheer arrogance!
And you do not represent all scientists. You merely represent the
arrogant ones who choose to worship only themselves.
And since there is more science in the Bible, (meteorology and
astronomy for two) I'll go with the Bible's version.
Your mind is also too small for understanding proper sentence structure.
As I've said in here MANY MANY times, since I am a professional
writer, I have reason to not post polished prose.
The fact that one psychotic atheist in here has decided to devote his
entire life to archiving my every word is part of why I don't polish
what I post.
jw
Regards,
Josef
For as it is the chief concern of wise men to retrench the evils of life
by the reasonings of philosophy, it is the employment of fools to
multiply them by the sentiments of superstition.
-- Joseph Addison
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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23 May 2004 12:37:25 PM |
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In alt.talk.creationism, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
<09n1b09c7cacl0lp1avmuq6gkev38fgonv@4ax.com>:
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 08:52:10 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
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The Christian creation myth is a fallacy.
There are the foolish few who believe that; then there are the
Creationist scientists, professionals in every discipline including
astronautics, who are creationist scientists.
You keep repeating that, even though a number of people have
demonstrated that your claim is false.
http://tinyurl.com/qg1e
Who are you
to question God?
You cannot demonstrate that this deity exists.
Sure I can. I do it every day. For those who are openminded enough to
look outside their need to worship self.
Show us.
If you don't believe in creation, that only means that your mind is
too small to believe in the God who is capable of creating all that is
in 6 literal days.
If you believe this creation myth then your mind is too small for
logical argumentation.
LOL!!! Sheer arrogance!
And you do not represent all scientists. You merely represent the
arrogant ones who choose to worship only themselves.
Nonsense. You have never pointed to any scientific evidence to support
your claims about creation.
And since there is more science in the Bible, (meteorology and
astronomy for two) I'll go with the Bible's version.
Your mind is also too small for understanding proper sentence structure.
As I've said in here MANY MANY times, since I am a professional
writer, I have reason to not post polished prose.
The fact that one psychotic atheist in here has decided to devote his
entire life to archiving my every word is part of why I don't polish
what I post.
Your postings are full of errors that you refuse to correct even when
you have had the opportunity to correct them.
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23 May 2004 08:14:07 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 10:23:27 -0700, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
There are the foolish few who believe that; then there are the
Creationist scientists, professionals in every discipline including
astronautics, who are creationist scientists.
I grant everybody the freedom to believe whatever he or she likes. But
a fundie becoming astronaut ... that is taking it a bit it too far.
I once shared a flight with a fundie, who was pilot for that airline.
I was profoundly glad he was not flying.
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23 May 2004 02:51:29 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 10:23:27 -0700, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 08:52:10 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
jw replied
In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:11 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
john w replied
In a message sent 'round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
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Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
Actually, creationist arguments hold that distinction.
Actually, those who make such statements are the foolish.
The Christian creation myth is a fallacy.
There are the foolish few who believe that; then there are the
Creationist scientists,
Creation scientist? There is no such thing.
professionals in every discipline including
astronautics, who are creationist scientists.
Nobody is doing any scientific work in the non-existent field of
creation science.
Who are you
to question God?
You cannot demonstrate that this deity exists.
Sure I can. I do it every day. For those who are openminded enough to
look outside their need to worship self.
Go ahead and demonstrate it.
snip
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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23 May 2004 12:25:26 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 10:23:27 -0700, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Christian creation myth is a fallacy.
There are the foolish few who believe that; then there are the
Creationist scientists, professionals in every discipline including
astronautics, who are creationist scientists.
Creationists are either liars or idiots. Very often both. You have to
be, to deny reality they way you do.
Of course if you kept your stupidity and lies to yourselves nobody
would have realised this.
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ARCB.
From: John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 08:52:10 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
jw replied
In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:11 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
john w replied
In a message sent 'round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
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Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
Actually, creationist arguments hold that distinction.
Actually, those who make such statements are the foolish.
The Christian creation myth is a fallacy.
There are the foolish few who believe that; then there are the
Creationist scientists, professionals in every discipline including
astronautics, who are creationist scientists.
http://tinyurl.com/qg1e
Who are you
to question God?
You cannot demonstrate that this deity exists.
Sure I can. I do it every day. For those who are openminded enough to
No, that you can not do for several reasons.
A: Most people would not put up with you in real life if your manners are
anywhere near as odious as they are on the net.
B: You are to ignorant of your myth & its formulation & s conception, from
failed Jewish mythology to failed xian mythology.
You have demonstrated this in several ways, by your clams for knowledge you
can not display, & the knowledge you should have, given your claims for the
40-50 yeas of study of your grimorie plus your *seminary training*.
look outside their need to worship self.
Anther false assumption, not all feel th compulsion to worship something.
The majority of humanity seems to feel no need to worship your fractured
fairy tales's pimp on a stick.
If you don't believe in creation, that only means that your mind is
too small to believe in the God who is capable of creating all that is
in 6 literal days.
If you believe this creation myth then your mind is too small for
logical argumentation.
LOL!!! Sheer arrogance!
Yes, you are, as your false claim to people not believing in special
creation as being less than intelligent, by implication. Not everyone is as
arrogant as you.
Hint, you can not even show creation ex nilho, or when it arrived using the
Torah. It is not a Torah concept. It is however, Jewish.
And you do not represent all scientists. You merely represent the
Your tail chasing noted, never saw Joseph claim to represent anyone, but
then you are so arrogant you can not comprehend how anyone else can not be
as hosed as you are, in the brain department especially.
Hint,you speak for one person only, & that one is a liar according to
usenet posting you have done.
It is also ignorant of its mythology & science in general.
arrogant ones who choose to worship only themselves.
That would be fools like you that think they are so special their gods
can't see through why they play at being xians act like bully's & assholes
with regularity.
And since there is more science in the Bible, (meteorology and
astronomy for two) I'll go with the Bible's version.
Your mind is also too small for understanding proper sentence structure.
As I've said in here MANY MANY times, since I am a professional
writer, I have reason to not post polished prose.
You may be published, but library's can't find your works. Of course, they
don't carry authors whose claim to fame are either school newspapers or
Jack Chick level publications.
The fact that one psychotic atheist in here has decided to devote his
entire life to archiving my every word is part of why I don't polish
what I post.
The fact is that you are unable of maintain the facade of intelligence for
any extended period of time. Your posting history establishes that.
BTW, you are not worth over 30 minutes a day, which is what it takes to
remove the yellow ensign from your posts, which I indeed do, in case I
elect to respond to them later.
Given your willingness to try t delete the posts of others, as you admitted
some time back, & given that embarrassing posts tend to disappear at the
authors request, which is the only way google will drop the message
content, it seems prudent. Especially given your penchant for threats.
jw
Josef
For as it is the chief concern of wise men to retrench the evils of life
by the reasonings of philosophy, it is the employment of fools to
multiply them by the sentiments of superstition.
-- Joseph Addison
walksalone who has th patience to point out the garbage, just prior to
sending it to the dump.
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18 May 2004 07:28:40 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 08:52:10 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
john w replied under copyright
In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:11 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
john w replied
In a message sent 'round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
...
Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
Actually, creationist arguments hold that distinction.
Actually, those who make such statements are the foolish.
The Christian creation myth is a fallacy.
LOL!!
I know enough scientists who are creationist Christians to know that
you don't know what you are talking about.
jw
http://tinyurl.com/qg1e
Who are you
to question God?
You cannot demonstrate that this deity exists.
If you don't believe in creation, that only means that your mind is
too small to believe in the God who is capable of creating all that is
in 6 literal days.
If you believe this creation myth then your mind is too small for
logical argumentation.
And since there is more science in the Bible, (meteorology and
astronomy for two) I'll go with the Bible's version.
Your mind is also too small for understanding proper sentence structure.
Regards,
Josef
For as it is the chief concern of wise men to retrench the evils of life
by the reasonings of philosophy, it is the employment of fools to
multiply them by the sentiments of superstition.
-- Joseph Addison
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18 May 2004 08:02:04 PM |
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"jw @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 08:52:10 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
john w replied under copyright
In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:11 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
john w replied
In a message sent 'round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
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Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by
yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
Actually, creationist arguments hold that distinction.
Actually, those who make such statements are the foolish.
The Christian creation myth is a fallacy.
LOL!!
I know enough scientists who are creationist Christians to know that
you don't know what you are talking about.
So you say. What about these scientists, Liar John?:
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/3697_the_list_2_16_2003.asp
The creation myth is just that, a myth. Scientists don't prove it right or
wrong, the evidence does and your side has no scientific evidence.
Say John, one of your scientist friends wouldn't happen to be the guy who
was building an a-bomb in his garage, would it?
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23 May 2004 12:26:10 PM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:02:04 -0400, "Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote:
jw replied
"jw @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 08:52:10 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
john w replied under copyright
In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:11 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
john w replied
In a message sent 'round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
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Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by
yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
Actually, creationist arguments hold that distinction.
Actually, those who make such statements are the foolish.
The Christian creation myth is a fallacy.
LOL!!
I know enough scientists who are creationist Christians to know that
you don't know what you are talking about.
So you say. What about these scientists, Liar John?:
As I've said repeatedly, Libeler Tom, I don't respond well to libel or
slander or name-calling.
Come back with respect and some basic manners and perhaps we'll
continue.
In the meantime, kindly stop CROSSPOSTING!!!
jw
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/3697_the_list_2_16_2003.asp
The creation myth is just that, a myth. Scientists don't prove it right or
wrong, the evidence does and your side has no scientific evidence.
Say John, one of your scientist friends wouldn't happen to be the guy who
was building an a-bomb in his garage, would it?
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23 May 2004 12:39:13 PM |
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In alt.talk.creationism, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:02:04 -0400, "Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote:
jw replied
"jw @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 08:52:10 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
john w replied under copyright
In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:11 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
john w replied
In a message sent 'round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
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Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by
yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
Actually, creationist arguments hold that distinction.
Actually, those who make such statements are the foolish.
The Christian creation myth is a fallacy.
LOL!!
I know enough scientists who are creationist Christians to know that
you don't know what you are talking about.
So you say. What about these scientists, Liar John?:
As I've said repeatedly, Libeler Tom, I don't respond well to libel or
slander or name-calling.
Why do you insist on engaging in libel then?
Come back with respect and some basic manners and perhaps we'll
continue.
Everything you do shows that you have no respect for those who disagree
with your every statement, no matter how erroneous.
In the meantime, kindly stop CROSSPOSTING!!!
Why are you crossposting?
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23 May 2004 12:29:14 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 10:26:10 -0700, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
As I've said repeatedly, Libeler Tom, I don't respond well to libel or
slander or name-calling.
Which he is not doing - and you know that, so stop lying yet again,
hypocrite.
Come back with respect and some basic manners and perhaps we'll
continue.
Hypocrite.
In the meantime, kindly stop CROSSPOSTING!!!
Hypocrite.
jw
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23 May 2004 08:14:12 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 10:26:10 -0700, John W <crosspostking@yahoo.com>
wrote:
As I've said repeatedly, Libeler Tom, I don't respond well to libel or
slander or name-calling.
Actually, you bite every time like a salmon bites a fly bait.
Come back with respect and some basic manners and perhaps we'll
continue.
I respect most people, even bap-pissed circle jerkers. But you? Kind
of difficult.
In the meantime, kindly stop CROSSPOSTING!!!
Why don't you take your own words to your heart, sweetie?
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19 May 2004 08:28:54 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
[ snip weatherly's babble ]
Science deals in observation. Logical argumentation and refutation is
the domain of philosophy. The philosophical argument I directed you to
shows that the Christian creation myth is a fallacy. If you or your
creationist scientists want to have a go at philosophy and logical
argumentation then post a sound refutation of my argument. Failing that,
then be silent.
Regards,
Josef
All Christian religion seems to have a kind of alliance with folly and
in no respect to have any accord with wisdom.
-- Erasmus
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23 May 2004 12:31:34 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:28:54 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
jw replied
In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
[ snip weatherly's babble ]
Science deals in observation. Logical argumentation and refutation is
the domain of philosophy. The philosophical argument I directed you to
shows that the Christian creation myth is a fallacy. If you or your
creationist scientists want to have a go at philosophy and logical
argumentation then post a sound refutation of my argument. Failing that,
then be silent.
You do not command me to be silent. And you do not improve your
"argument" by deleting my entire post.
The foolish says in his heart "There is no God," even as the proofs
of God SHRIEK His name from creation.
And before the brain dead like you insist that no scientists are
Christians or creationists, I point out the drs who have built
hospitals, the drs who serve as missionary doctors in 3rd world
countries, the drs and nurses who served as missionaries in Iraq, who
died in the early days of bombing.
I can point out MANY hospitals around the world built by Christians in
virtually every discipline of science.
Until you can answer for all the hospitals Christians have built, be
silent.
jw
Regards,
Josef
All Christian religion seems to have a kind of alliance with folly and
in no respect to have any accord with wisdom.
-- Erasmus
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23 May 2004 04:18:20 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, John W poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
....
You do not command me to be silent.
Then feel free to babble on, proving to the world just what a fool you
are.
And you do not improve your
"argument" by deleting my entire post.
Only the inferior requires improvement.
The foolish says in his heart "There is no God," even as the proofs
of God SHRIEK His name from creation.
Naturalistic Fallacy.
http://tinyurl.com/4gbs
And before the brain dead like you insist that no scientists are
Christians or creationists, I point out the drs who have built
hospitals, the drs who serve as missionary doctors in 3rd world
countries, the drs and nurses who served as missionaries in Iraq, who
died in the early days of bombing.
I can point out MANY hospitals around the world built by Christians in
virtually every discipline of science.
Until you can answer for all the hospitals Christians have built, be
silent.
Quite irrelevant. This does not establish the existence of your deity.
Your inability to produce a sound refutation of my argument says it all.
Regards,
Josef
Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for the
lost faith in ourselves.
-- Eric Hoffer
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23 May 2004 04:19:29 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 23 May 2004 10:31:34 -0700, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:28:54 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
jw replied
In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
[ snip weatherly's babble ]
Science deals in observation. Logical argumentation and refutation is
the domain of philosophy. The philosophical argument I directed you to
shows that the Christian creation myth is a fallacy. If you or your
creationist scientists want to have a go at philosophy and logical
argumentation then post a sound refutation of my argument. Failing that,
then be silent.
You do not command me to be silent. And you do not improve your
"argument" by deleting my entire post.
The foolish says in his heart "There is no God,"
Anyone who calls another "you fool" shall be liable to burn in
hellfire. Matt 5:22.
even as the proofs
of God SHRIEK His name from creation.
Actually, they don't.
And before the brain dead like you insist that no scientists are
Christians or creationists, I point out the drs who have built
hospitals, the drs who serve as missionary doctors in 3rd world
countries, the drs and nurses who served as missionaries in Iraq, who
died in the early days of bombing.
I can point out MANY hospitals around the world built by Christians in
virtually every discipline of science.
Until you can answer for all the hospitals Christians have built, be
silent.
I find that to be irrelevant.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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23 May 2004 12:41:35 PM |
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In alt.talk.creationism, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
<jpn1b0lpch6dmqbn9m7a5krc1082i5uo8j@4ax.com>:
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:28:54 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
jw replied
In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
[ snip weatherly's babble ]
Science deals in observation. Logical argumentation and refutation is
the domain of philosophy. The philosophical argument I directed you to
shows that the Christian creation myth is a fallacy. If you or your
creationist scientists want to have a go at philosophy and logical
argumentation then post a sound refutation of my argument. Failing that,
then be silent.
You do not command me to be silent. And you do not improve your
"argument" by deleting my entire post.
We read your post. There was nothing worth repeating.
The foolish says in his heart "There is no God," even as the proofs
of God SHRIEK His name from creation.
False.
And before the brain dead like you insist that no scientists are
Christians or creationists, I point out the drs who have built
hospitals, the drs who serve as missionary doctors in 3rd world
countries, the drs and nurses who served as missionaries in Iraq, who
died in the early days of bombing.
You misuse words to your convenience and misquote people to make them
look bad. You are an enemy of the teachings of Jesus.
I can point out MANY hospitals around the world built by Christians in
virtually every discipline of science.
Until you can answer for all the hospitals Christians have built, be
silent.
Most Christians accept evolution because it is true.
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23 May 2004 08:14:16 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 10:31:34 -0700, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
You do not command me to be silent. And you do not improve your
"argument" by deleting my entire post.
It would improve the argument. You normally don't do much else than
place your own foot in your mouth.
The foolish says in his heart "There is no God," even as the proofs
of God SHRIEK His name from creation.
Which proof?
And before the brain dead like you insist that no scientists are
Christians or creationists, I point out the drs who have built
hospitals, the drs who serve as missionary doctors in 3rd world
countries, the drs and nurses who served as missionaries in Iraq, who
died in the early days of bombing.
What is that supposed to proof? Stupidity?
I just wonder what you would have said if Muslim missionaries, nurses
and doctors immediately after 9-11 arrived in NY doing the same thing
as those xtian missionaries do right now in Iraq. You would probably
not like it very much.
Any reason why Iraqis need to feel different?
I can point out MANY hospitals around the world built by Christians in
virtually every discipline of science.
Which proves what? That xtians build hospitals? And Hindus? And
Buddhists? And Shintoists? I guess it does.
Until you can answer for all the hospitals Christians have built, be
silent.
See? Once again you firmly placed your foot in your mouth.
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23 May 2004 12:33:17 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 10:31:34 -0700, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:28:54 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
jw replied
In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
[ snip weatherly's babble ]
Science deals in observation. Logical argumentation and refutation is
the domain of philosophy. The philosophical argument I directed you to
shows that the Christian creation myth is a fallacy. If you or your
creationist scientists want to have a go at philosophy and logical
argumentation then post a sound refutation of my argument. Failing that,
then be silent.
You do not command me to be silent. And you do not improve your
"argument" by deleting my entire post.
The foolish says in his heart "There is no God," even as the proofs
of God SHRIEK His name from creation.
And the dishonest, stupid liars like you repeat this slanderous
nastiness.
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:28:54 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
jw replied
In a message sent 'round the world, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
poured fuel on the fire with the following:
[ snip weatherly's babble ]
Science deals in observation. Logical argumentation and refutation is
the domain of philosophy. The philosophical argument I directed you to
shows that the Christian creation myth is a fallacy. If you or your
creationist scientists want to have a go at philosophy and logical
argumentation then post a sound refutation of my argument. Failing that,
then be silent.
You do not command me to be silent. And you do not improve your
"argument" by deleting my entire post.
For a wise man, a word is sufficient, it is the slave & stupid that need be
commanded, as in your case. & you are stupid enough not to understand why
people tell you to learn or be quiet. You are an embarrassment to xians, &
intelligent people everywhere,
The foolish says in his heart "There is no God," even as the proofs
& the wise man proclaims it to th world. But that does not stop you from
pretending you have said something with a meaningless quote from your
grimorie.
Is that all you have in your Cliff notes, cliche's & platitudes? Or is that
all you can learn?
of God SHRIEK His name from creation.
No, they do not do that or everyone would have to recognise the claim as
fact. They don't.
And before the brain dead like you insist that no scientists are
Christians or creationists, I point out the drs who have built
They don't, we leave that up to idiots like you to assume, after all, its
all you have, assumptions. [A heartfelt condolence & apology to the idiots
in the human gene pool that are there due t no fault of their own]
hospitals, the drs who serve as missionary doctors in 3rd world
countries, the drs and nurses who served as missionaries in Iraq, who
They, unlike you, were actually doing something. All you do is try to bask
in their reflected glory, which really is not glory.
After all, Doctors & nurses are inclined to ease suffering whenever
possible, whether they are xian or not. With claims like you make above,
you denigrate he efforts of other Doctors & Nurses who are not xian. It is
not just your fractured fairy tale that produces some good people.
died in the early days of bombing.
I can point out MANY hospitals around the world built by Christians in
virtually every discipline of science.
& none that came into being due t your efforts, yet you can claim they
point out that xians are so special, & by reflection & implication, so are
you. Well, you are not. & when those hospitals & schools go public & free,
you might have a point other than the one you should hide under a hat, a
tall conical one.
Until you can answer for all the hospitals Christians have built, be
silent.
Until you can answer what that has to do with the price of hookers on
Jefferson Ave., you ca follow your own advice for the claims forwarded by
you are non sequiturs, which, were you an author would have to know.
But you won't, just as you won't quit crossposting for you fuse to take
responsibility for your actions.
jw
The continuing whiny soiled small child I see.
walksalone who does understand jw has to pretend it knows what it is taking
about, googol says otherwise.
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16 May 2004 08:52:15 PM |
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In article <1d4ba01justcm59nb26ch8ruigr3m8ndvp@4ax.com>, jw
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
And since there is more science in the Bible, (meteorology and
astronomy for two) I'll go with the Bible's version.
jw
Mate there isn't enough science in the Bible to fix a puncture
Get real and try not to be stupid ALL your life!!!
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16 May 2004 09:09:12 PM |
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:19 -0700,
(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
The Lord, in the middle had no sin IN Him or ON Him but all our sin was
laid ON Him.
So where do we place our trust(belief)? We place it ON Him.
You know, I feel so much better now! What a relief this information
is! The Lord is now the Scapegoat! And, it's eternal and
everlasting?! Since all my sin is ON Him, I'll blissfully carry on,
knowing and trusting that my personal scapegoat will forever sacrifice
itself for all of my sins.
Thank you for this urgent enlightenment!
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14 May 2004 02:06:09 PM |
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:19 -0700,
(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
Believing On The Lord Jesus Christ
Many people do not understand why the Bible talks about
believing(trusting) ON the Lord Jesus Christ. There are several reason
for the use of the preposition ON:
1. When Jesus was crucified he had two men on either side of Him. Isaiah
53:6 says:
"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own
way; and the Lord hath laid ON Him the iniquity of us all."
So where is that iniquity now? It is ON Him for the penitent.
The man on the left of Jesus was the impentitent thief: His sin was IN
him and ON him.
The man or the right of Jesus was the penitent thief: his sin was IN him
but not ON him because his ON sin was placed ON the Lord. Luke 23:39-43
The Lord, in the middle had no sin IN Him or ON Him but all our sin was
laid ON Him.
So where do we place our trust(belief)? We place it ON Him.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on
Him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into
condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." John 5:24
If you do not know the Lord Jesus Christ through faith(trust) you have not
placed your sin ON Him and it is still IN you and ON you. Before it is to
late, cast your sin ON Him now...don't try to work it off by yourself
through a religion. That would be foolishness of the highest order.
On a related note:
this is from an article found at:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/2850/ChristEthics.html
The matter of "Christian Ethics" is very important in the debate about
the truth or validity of Christianity. Christians will often refer to
the "high ethical standards" of Jesus in an effort to buttress their
contention that they have the True Religion. Even nominal Christians
and many non-Christians have considered Jesus to be one of history's
great "moral teachers." But are such claims true, and do they stand up
under scrutiny? I intend to explore that issue and hope to shed some
light on a matter not often discussed.
1. What did Jesus Teach? That isn't such an easy question to actually
answer, believe it or not. It isn't entirely certain what exactly he
taught. The earliest Christian writers, Paul included, have little or
nothing to say about his ethical teachings, even when it would be to
their obvious advantage to do so. Such seeming ignorance on the part
of the early writers raises the legitimate question of whether or not
Jesus really did teach what the later writers say. An obvious
explanation of this discrepancy would be that the alleged teachings
are later additions, but since Christians either ignore this problem
or do not accept this solution and follow what is laid down in the
Gospels, that is what further critiques will have to deal with.
2. Is there an ethical system? "Great ethical teachers" commonly
develop full and coherent ethical systems which provide a
comprehensive basis for teaching proper behavior and attitudes.
Unfortunately, no such system is to be found. Instead we find a
patchwork homilies and pronouncements, some of which are unclear and
others of which are contradictory.
3. If he didn't have a system, what about his main principle?
4. Shouldn't we have faith in Jesus?
5. Wasn't Jesus' behavior exemplary? Unfortunately, no. His actual
behavior does not live up to the idealized image often imagined of
him. For example,......(visit the link)
6. Aren't Jesus' teachings what we need to help us cope with problems
today? In short: no.
To see why, visit the link for the complete article
The complete article found here:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/2850/ChristEthics.html
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