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"Diederik" |
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15 Nov 2003 08:55:44 PM |
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Belonging |
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
Diederik
Rational Hedonist #1
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
16 Nov 2003 09:10:24 PM |
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"Diederik" <diederik_b@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a012326d.0311151855.41c64983@posting.google.com...
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
I feel like a part of this group.
I feel like a part of the company I work for.
I feel like a part of the industry I work for.
I feel like a part of my household.
I feel like a part of humanity.
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Dick C" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
15 Nov 2003 11:00:16 PM |
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Diederik wrote in alt.atheism
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
What group do you want to belong to? I am not someone who goes around
joining groups, so I don't belong to any. :-)
Actually, I do know how you feel. I think many people go to church simply
to belong, not to worship. Unfortunately, those same people are probably
the most virulent of the religious, because they need to hide behind the
religion.
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***** #1349
"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."
Andre Gide, French author and critic (1869-1951).
Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email:
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| User: "Diederik" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
16 Nov 2003 12:04:09 PM |
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***** C <dickcr@localnet.boo.com> wrote in message news:<Xns9434D5996D689dickcrlocalnet@216.168.3.50>...
Diederik wrote in alt.atheism
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
What group do you want to belong to? I am not someone who goes around
joining groups, so I don't belong to any. :-)
Actually, I do know how you feel. I think many people go to church simply
to belong, not to worship. Unfortunately, those same people are probably
the most virulent of the religious, because they need to hide behind the
religion.
I don't want to belong to any particular group. I was thinking that
maybe the church going, in general, feel a stronger need to belong to
a group than atheists.
Diederik
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| User: "Dick C" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
16 Nov 2003 10:32:37 PM |
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Diederik wrote in alt.atheism
***** C <dickcr@localnet.boo.com> wrote in message news:
<Xns9434D5996D689dickcrlocalnet@216.168.3.50>...
Diederik wrote in alt.atheism
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
What group do you want to belong to? I am not someone who goes around
joining groups, so I don't belong to any. :-)
Actually, I do know how you feel. I think many people go to church
simply
to belong, not to worship. Unfortunately, those same people are probably
the most virulent of the religious, because they need to hide behind the
religion.
I don't want to belong to any particular group. I was thinking that
maybe the church going, in general, feel a stronger need to belong to
a group than atheists.
I can certainly agree with that. I have read about, and listened to, church
going people feeling the need to belong. If you read about many christians
it won't be long before you start running across mentions about going to
church in order to belong.
I used to work for a company that was owned by a fundie, and many of the
people that worked there all went to the same church. It was, believe it
or not, a great place to work. But, many of the people there talked about
how they attended the church because they wanted to belong to the group.
One person changed churches to get the kids into a church school, and the
family had a difficult time leaving, even though the message of the new
church was essentially the same, and the benefits they saw were better
with the new church.
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***** #1349
"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."
Andre Gide, French author and critic (1869-1951).
Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email:
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| User: "Tink" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
16 Nov 2003 06:19:11 AM |
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Diederik wrote:
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
Diederik
Rational Hedonist #1
I belong to several groups through mutual participation. Examples are:
skydivers, firefighters and graduate students. I feel as though I
definitely belong to those groups, but only as long as my participation
is current.
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It seems odd that those who scoff at sun worshippers are apt to worship
a vacuum.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
16 Nov 2003 09:36:36 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 16 Nov 2003 07:19:11 -0500, Tink
<kjgrish@comcast.net> wrote:
<snip>
I belong to several groups through mutual participation. Examples are:
skydivers, firefighters and graduate students. I feel as though I
definitely belong to those groups, but only as long as my participation
is current.
So you're striving to be a life-long graduate student? :-?
;-)
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L8r,
Bill, the Avender
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"I'm not an actor, but I play one on T.V...."
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
16 Nov 2003 09:35:32 AM |
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In alt.atheism on 15 Nov 2003 18:55:44 -0800,
(Diederik) wrote:
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
I've never really fit in anywhere. Virtually all social groups are
held together by their collection of myths. The rumors we whisper and
the stories we share, they are the glue that holds our social bonds
together. This is as true among two "bestest of friends" as it is
among an entire religion. We rely heavily on some sort of "mythos"
(not necessarily religious) to form our social bonds. Even something
as simple as automatically asking "How are you"? and answering "Fine"
in the morning is a form of mythos. Those unlikely to adhere to
religion are less likely to adhere to other social moores (i.e.,
believing a man should always hold the door for a lady but never vice
versa) or to believe other socially-oriented myths (i.e., stories of
some old lady in the town who is rumored to hate all children even
though no one who's told you about it has ever seen it for
themselves). So I'd be rather surprised if more atheists weren't
outsiders of some significant degree or another.
--
L8r,
Bill, the Avender
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"I'm not an actor, but I play one on T.V...."
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
15 Nov 2003 09:49:04 PM |
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On 15 Nov 2003 18:55:44 -0800, (Diederik)
wrote:
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
Diederik
Rational Hedonist #1
I belong to a local Hermits' collective.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
16 Nov 2003 12:38:46 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:jssdrvsh1tldt8r0lbfl30mmbpn1ke0fsc@4ax.com...
On 15 Nov 2003 18:55:44 -0800, (Diederik)
wrote:
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
Diederik
Rational Hedonist #1
I belong to a local Hermits' collective.
Three hermits in a cave.
A horse walks by.
A year later the fist hermit says. "Was that horse brown?"
A year after that the third hermit says, "No, it was black."
Another year goes by and hermit two gets up and say" I'm leaving, I can't
stand the arguing."
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
16 Nov 2003 11:48:46 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:01:04 +1100, Michael Gray wrote
(in message <jssdrvsh1tldt8r0lbfl30mmbpn1ke0fsc@4ax.com>):
On 15 Nov 2003 18:55:44 -0800, (Diederik)
wrote:
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
Diederik
Rational Hedonist #1
I belong to a local Hermits' collective.
The correct* collective noun for hermits is 'observance',
apparently.
*according to a crossword 'dictionary', which I don't have to
hand, but the entry stuck in what passes for my mind.
Have Fun
Martin
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aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
17 Nov 2003 08:34:35 AM |
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Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message news:<0001HW.BBDEAC6E092EE2DCF0284600@news.ozemail.com.au>...
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:01:04 +1100, Michael Gray wrote
(in message <jssdrvsh1tldt8r0lbfl30mmbpn1ke0fsc@4ax.com>):
On 15 Nov 2003 18:55:44 -0800, (Diederik)
wrote:
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
Diederik
Rational Hedonist #1
I belong to a local Hermits' collective.
The correct* collective noun for hermits is 'observance',
apparently.
Odd. I figured that once you had a collective they weren't hermits any longer.
:)
jwk
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
17 Nov 2003 03:21:16 PM |
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On 17 Nov 2003 06:34:35 -0800, (jwk) wrote:
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message news:<0001HW.BBDEAC6E092EE2DCF0284600@news.ozemail.com.au>...
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:01:04 +1100, Michael Gray wrote
(in message <jssdrvsh1tldt8r0lbfl30mmbpn1ke0fsc@4ax.com>):
On 15 Nov 2003 18:55:44 -0800, (Diederik)
wrote:
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
Diederik
Rational Hedonist #1
I belong to a local Hermits' collective.
The correct* collective noun for hermits is 'observance',
apparently.
Odd. I figured that once you had a collective they weren't hermits any longer.
:)
jwk
Yeah, that was the entire point of the 'joke'...
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
17 Nov 2003 05:05:02 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 1:34:35 +1100, jwk wrote
(in message <c6f5ba32.0311170634.3a39ba47@posting.google.com>):
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
news:<0001HW.BBDEAC6E092EE2DCF0284600@news.ozemail.com.au>...
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:01:04 +1100, Michael Gray wrote
(in message <jssdrvsh1tldt8r0lbfl30mmbpn1ke0fsc@4ax.com>):
On 15 Nov 2003 18:55:44 -0800, (Diederik)
wrote:
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
Diederik
Rational Hedonist #1
I belong to a local Hermits' collective.
The correct* collective noun for hermits is 'observance',
apparently.
Odd. I figured that once you had a collective they weren't hermits any
longer.
:)
jwk
Indeed, which is what makes having a collective noun for them
bizarre. [though apparently the Carmelites started as a group of
hermits...]
Have Fun
Martin
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aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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17 Nov 2003 12:20:41 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:48:46 +1100, Martin Crisp
<Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
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I belong to a local Hermits' collective.
The correct* collective noun for hermits is 'observance',
apparently.
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Oh dear, that means another bloody meeting to vote in a name change...
Come on fellas, stop collecting berries, and Hieronomous, yes I'm
talking to you, stop chastising yourself for a minute and get into the
board-room.
"The Royal Observance of Hermits"
Doesn't quite sound right, does it?
A bit like Train Spotting, or bird watching.
I think I will become a computer programmer instead, so I don't need
to interact with anyone real.
And thereby 'belong' to Madame Palm's group of five members.
(If would, look up your dictionary and see what the collective noun is
for a group of programmers? A 'Wank' perhaps?)
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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17 Nov 2003 03:35:42 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:32:41 +1100, Michael Gray wrote
(in message <q0qgrvgecckci1v05o01ciblregnhidiv9@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:48:46 +1100, Martin Crisp
<Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
I belong to a local Hermits' collective.
The correct* collective noun for hermits is 'observance',
apparently.
Oh dear, that means another bloody meeting to vote in a name change...
Come on fellas, stop collecting berries, and Hieronomous, yes I'm
talking to you, stop chastising yourself for a minute and get into the
board-room.
"The Royal Observance of Hermits"
Doesn't quite sound right, does it?
A bit like Train Spotting, or bird watching.
I think I will become a computer programmer instead, so I don't need
to interact with anyone real.
I wondered what I'd been doing wrong.
And thereby 'belong' to Madame Palm's group of five members.
(If would, look up your dictionary and see what the collective noun is
for a group of programmers? A 'Wank' perhaps?)
An 'archive' suggests one page:
http://www.ojohaven.com/collectives/index.html
Have Fun
Martin
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aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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| User: "Levy Oates" |
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| Title: Re: Belonging |
15 Nov 2003 10:23:36 PM |
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On 15 Nov 2003 18:55:44 -0800, (Diederik) wrote:
Does anyone here feel like they really belong to any group? A friend
of mine and I were discussing this yesterday and neither of us felt
like we really belonged to any group. We both felt like outsiders for
the most part. What I am wondering is if this is a trait common to
atheists or not.
Diederik
Rational Hedonist #1
I feel quite at home here. It's fun. (But then I don't go out much).
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Archdeacom Levy Oates
On behalf of the Prophet Eric Peabody (pbuh)
Basingstoke, England
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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