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Object: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ
"The Passion" and the furor
Jews behaving badly
By ANDY NOWICKI
Actor, director, and former "Sexiest Man in the World" Mel Gibson
recently gave an interview to Diane Sawyer on ABC to defend his
upcoming movie, "The Passion of the Christ," which has been accused of
fomenting anti-Semitism, essentially because it portrays the scourging
and crucifixion of Christ as depicted in the Christian Gospels, which
undeniably means that the audience is exposed to some striking
examples of Jews behaving badly.
Of course, there are good Jews in the Christian account as well,
including but not limited to Jesus Himself. Still, as Gibson pointed
out in the interview, those who are against his movie really have a
problem with the four Gospels, and, thus, with Christianity itself.
After all, to be a Christian means to believe that Jesus is the Son of
God, and to believe that Jesus is the Son of God means that you think
the Jews, who reject the notion of Jesus as the Son of God, are (gasp)
wrong. Ergo, to be a Christian is to be "anti-Semitic," or at least
anti-Judaic, since if you take your religion seriously, you hold it to
be the truth and those who disagree with it (in this case, Jews) to be
in error. And that, of course, shows ? let's all say it together ?
"bigotry," "intolerance," and, worst of all, "HATE."
Yet some of Gibson's critics are more subtle with their allegations ?
as an example, there's Abe Foxman, president of the Anti-Defamation
League. Perhaps sensing that the all-out assault method might have
backfired, creating resentment from devout Christians who can smell an
overt double standard (when was the last time a director came under
such fire for portraying Christians negatively in a movie?), Foxman
has taken a more clever tack. No, he says, of course Gibson is no
anti-Semite, and by no means is his movie anti-Semitic in content.
But, Foxman adds, "The Passion" could spark anti-Semitic violence from
those who might wrongly interpret its subject matter and themes.
Well, it's a nice try on Foxman's part, but the problem of double
standards still applies. Gibson, who was less combative in the Sawyer
interview than on earlier occasions, still found a memorable way to
make that point, although in an effort to keep his rhetoric civil, he
made sure not to belabor it. In answer to the charge that "The
Passion" could cause people to hate Jews in spite of Gibson's best
intentions, Gibson offhandedly replied that watching "Schindler's
List" hadn't inspired people to hate Germans.
Of course, it cannot be said that "Schindler's List" did much to cause
people to like Germans. Nor can it be said that "Mississippi Burning"
made anyone like Southern whites, or that any of the movies directed
by Spike Lee or John Singleton have caused anyone to like whites in
general. But, strangely, at no point during the making of any of those
movies did any "concerned" group abscond with an early version of the
script and then issue news releases expressing their fears that some
might interpret the content of such films as advocating anti-German,
anti-Southern, or anti-white mayhem. If any group had done any such
thing, we all know that they would be crossly dismissed by the
"respectable" media as would-be censors with a probable racist and
Nazi agenda.
After all, as we have been well-trained to believe, groups such as
Germans and Southerners and (more broadly) whites, especially those of
Christian heritage, have no right to complain about being treated
unfairly. People such as those ought to just shut up and take their
medicine, whatever medicine the powers-that-be may prescribe. For
Reginald Denney, the white truck driver beaten by a black mob in the
aftermath of the Rodney King trial in 1991, the medicine was
particularly strong, consisting of repeated blows to the face with a
brick. For people of German descent living in post World War II
Yugoslavia, it was genocidal ethnic cleansing at the hands of the
Communist Tito regime, which could not have gone down well. For
thousands of German women and girls near the end of that same war, the
medicine, stiff indeed, involved getting gang-raped by soldiers of
Stalin's advancing Red Army. For thousands of Russian Christians with
the misfortune to live in the 20th century after 1917, the medicine
was martyrdom at the hands of a repressive Soviet regime that at the
same time ? mark well! ? stigmatized anti-Semitism as an unforgivable,
"counter-revolutionary" transgression.
For most of us, to be sure, the medicine is not quite so bitter. It
consists more in such commonplace but still aggravating occurrences as
being turned down for a job or for admission to a university because
of the (white) color of our skin. Or being hit with a "hate speech"
charge for expressing an opinion that violates the sensitivity of a
particular, protected (that is, nonwhite) group. Or being relentlessly
mocked as "lily-white" or "white-bread," in other words as having no
true soul, spirit, or culture because we are white.
Gibson is the latest in a long line of public figures who have caught
flak for the crime of Thinking Wrongly. John Rocker was perhaps the
last such high-profile case, and the popular backlash against his
persecution took the form of standing ovations from hometown fans and
a proliferation of "John Rocker for President" T-shirts. Similarly,
the backlash against those who are attacking "The Passion" is likely
to trigger a hugely successful run for the movie.
Such are the unintentional side-effects of the medicine our masters
make us swallow. I guess they'll have to work on all that. One of
these days, maybe they'll perfect the formula, and everyone will
finally fall into step. May the God who died on the cross for our
redemption keep us from that day!
.

User: "Joebruno"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 28 Feb 2004 09:59:03 AM
(PALIJinean Liberation Organization) wrote in message news:<22c560e8.0402261037.6bc599dc@posting.google.com>...

"The Passion" and the furor

Jews behaving badly


By ANDY NOWICKI


Actor, director, and former "Sexiest Man in the World" Mel Gibson
recently gave an interview to Diane Sawyer on ABC to defend his
upcoming movie, "The Passion of the Christ," which has been accused of
fomenting anti-Semitism, essentially because it portrays the scourging
and crucifixion of Christ as depicted in the Christian Gospels, which
undeniably means that the audience is exposed to some striking
examples of Jews behaving badly.

Of course, there are good Jews in the Christian account as well,
including but not limited to Jesus Himself. Still, as Gibson pointed
out in the interview, those who are against his movie really have a
problem with the four Gospels, and, thus, with Christianity itself.
After all, to be a Christian means to believe that Jesus is the Son of
God, and to believe that Jesus is the Son of God means that you think
the Jews, who reject the notion of Jesus as the Son of God, are (gasp)
wrong. Ergo, to be a Christian is to be "anti-Semitic," or at least
anti-Judaic, since if you take your religion seriously, you hold it to
be the truth and those who disagree with it (in this case, Jews) to be
in error. And that, of course, shows ? let's all say it together ?
"bigotry," "intolerance," and, worst of all, "HATE."

Yet some of Gibson's critics are more subtle with their allegations ?
as an example, there's Abe Foxman, president of the Anti-Defamation
League. Perhaps sensing that the all-out assault method might have
backfired, creating resentment from devout Christians who can smell an
overt double standard (when was the last time a director came under
such fire for portraying Christians negatively in a movie?), Foxman
has taken a more clever tack. No, he says, of course Gibson is no
anti-Semite, and by no means is his movie anti-Semitic in content.
But, Foxman adds, "The Passion" could spark anti-Semitic violence from
those who might wrongly interpret its subject matter and themes.

Well, it's a nice try on Foxman's part, but the problem of double
standards still applies. Gibson, who was less combative in the Sawyer
interview than on earlier occasions, still found a memorable way to
make that point, although in an effort to keep his rhetoric civil, he
made sure not to belabor it. In answer to the charge that "The
Passion" could cause people to hate Jews in spite of Gibson's best
intentions, Gibson offhandedly replied that watching "Schindler's
List" hadn't inspired people to hate Germans.

Of course, it cannot be said that "Schindler's List" did much to cause
people to like Germans. Nor can it be said that "Mississippi Burning"
made anyone like Southern whites, or that any of the movies directed
by Spike Lee or John Singleton have caused anyone to like whites in
general. But, strangely, at no point during the making of any of those
movies did any "concerned" group abscond with an early version of the
script and then issue news releases expressing their fears that some
might interpret the content of such films as advocating anti-German,
anti-Southern, or anti-white mayhem. If any group had done any such
thing, we all know that they would be crossly dismissed by the
"respectable" media as would-be censors with a probable racist and
Nazi agenda.

After all, as we have been well-trained to believe, groups such as
Germans and Southerners and (more broadly) whites, especially those of
Christian heritage, have no right to complain about being treated
unfairly. People such as those ought to just shut up and take their
medicine, whatever medicine the powers-that-be may prescribe. For
Reginald Denney, the white truck driver beaten by a black mob in the
aftermath of the Rodney King trial in 1991, the medicine was
particularly strong, consisting of repeated blows to the face with a
brick. For people of German descent living in post World War II
Yugoslavia, it was genocidal ethnic cleansing at the hands of the
Communist Tito regime, which could not have gone down well. For
thousands of German women and girls near the end of that same war, the
medicine, stiff indeed, involved getting gang-raped by soldiers of
Stalin's advancing Red Army. For thousands of Russian Christians with
the misfortune to live in the 20th century after 1917, the medicine
was martyrdom at the hands of a repressive Soviet regime that at the
same time ? mark well! ? stigmatized anti-Semitism as an unforgivable,
"counter-revolutionary" transgression.

For most of us, to be sure, the medicine is not quite so bitter. It
consists more in such commonplace but still aggravating occurrences as
being turned down for a job or for admission to a university because
of the (white) color of our skin. Or being hit with a "hate speech"
charge for expressing an opinion that violates the sensitivity of a
particular, protected (that is, nonwhite) group. Or being relentlessly
mocked as "lily-white" or "white-bread," in other words as having no
true soul, spirit, or culture because we are white.

Gibson is the latest in a long line of public figures who have caught
flak for the crime of Thinking Wrongly. John Rocker was perhaps the
last such high-profile case, and the popular backlash against his
persecution took the form of standing ovations from hometown fans and
a proliferation of "John Rocker for President" T-shirts. Similarly,
the backlash against those who are attacking "The Passion" is likely
to trigger a hugely successful run for the movie.

Such are the unintentional side-effects of the medicine our masters
make us swallow. I guess they'll have to work on all that. One of
these days, maybe they'll perfect the formula, and everyone will
finally fall into step. May the God who died on the cross for our
redemption keep us from that day!

Gibson based much of the film on the visions of a bedridden nun who
lived in the 18th century, not on the New Testament. He carries a
piece of her habit with him. This is where Gibson does his "research".
He's something of a nut.
.

User: "Adam H."

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 26 Feb 2004 12:48:15 PM
On 26 Feb 2004 10:37:55 -0800,
(PALIJinean
Liberation Organization) wrote:

"The Passion" and the furor

Jews behaving badly


And how, exactly, is this a movie review? It's Nowicki using a movie
as an excuse to tell everybody how persecuted Xtians are, poor boy.

By ANDY NOWICKI


Actor, director, and former "Sexiest Man in the World" Mel Gibson
recently gave an interview to Diane Sawyer on ABC to defend his
upcoming movie, "The Passion of the Christ," which has been accused of
fomenting anti-Semitism, essentially because it portrays the scourging
and crucifixion of Christ as depicted in the Christian Gospels, which
undeniably means that the audience is exposed to some striking
examples of Jews behaving badly.

Of course, there are good Jews in the Christian account as well,
including but not limited to Jesus Himself. Still, as Gibson pointed
out in the interview, those who are against his movie really have a
problem with the four Gospels, and, thus, with Christianity itself.
After all, to be a Christian means to believe that Jesus is the Son of
God, and to believe that Jesus is the Son of God means that you think
the Jews, who reject the notion of Jesus as the Son of God, are (gasp)
wrong. Ergo, to be a Christian is to be "anti-Semitic," or at least
anti-Judaic, since if you take your religion seriously, you hold it to
be the truth and those who disagree with it (in this case, Jews) to be
in error. And that, of course, shows ? let's all say it together ?
"bigotry," "intolerance," and, worst of all, "HATE."

Yet some of Gibson's critics are more subtle with their allegations ?
as an example, there's Abe Foxman, president of the Anti-Defamation
League. Perhaps sensing that the all-out assault method might have
backfired, creating resentment from devout Christians who can smell an
overt double standard (when was the last time a director came under
such fire for portraying Christians negatively in a movie?), Foxman
has taken a more clever tack. No, he says, of course Gibson is no
anti-Semite, and by no means is his movie anti-Semitic in content.
But, Foxman adds, "The Passion" could spark anti-Semitic violence from
those who might wrongly interpret its subject matter and themes.

Well, it's a nice try on Foxman's part, but the problem of double
standards still applies. Gibson, who was less combative in the Sawyer
interview than on earlier occasions, still found a memorable way to
make that point, although in an effort to keep his rhetoric civil, he
made sure not to belabor it. In answer to the charge that "The
Passion" could cause people to hate Jews in spite of Gibson's best
intentions, Gibson offhandedly replied that watching "Schindler's
List" hadn't inspired people to hate Germans.

Of course, it cannot be said that "Schindler's List" did much to cause
people to like Germans. Nor can it be said that "Mississippi Burning"
made anyone like Southern whites, or that any of the movies directed
by Spike Lee or John Singleton have caused anyone to like whites in
general. But, strangely, at no point during the making of any of those
movies did any "concerned" group abscond with an early version of the
script and then issue news releases expressing their fears that some
might interpret the content of such films as advocating anti-German,
anti-Southern, or anti-white mayhem. If any group had done any such
thing, we all know that they would be crossly dismissed by the
"respectable" media as would-be censors with a probable racist and
Nazi agenda.

After all, as we have been well-trained to believe, groups such as
Germans and Southerners and (more broadly) whites, especially those of
Christian heritage, have no right to complain about being treated
unfairly. People such as those ought to just shut up and take their
medicine, whatever medicine the powers-that-be may prescribe. For
Reginald Denney, the white truck driver beaten by a black mob in the
aftermath of the Rodney King trial in 1991, the medicine was
particularly strong, consisting of repeated blows to the face with a
brick. For people of German descent living in post World War II
Yugoslavia, it was genocidal ethnic cleansing at the hands of the
Communist Tito regime, which could not have gone down well. For
thousands of German women and girls near the end of that same war, the
medicine, stiff indeed, involved getting gang-raped by soldiers of
Stalin's advancing Red Army. For thousands of Russian Christians with
the misfortune to live in the 20th century after 1917, the medicine
was martyrdom at the hands of a repressive Soviet regime that at the
same time ? mark well! ? stigmatized anti-Semitism as an unforgivable,
"counter-revolutionary" transgression.

For most of us, to be sure, the medicine is not quite so bitter. It
consists more in such commonplace but still aggravating occurrences as
being turned down for a job or for admission to a university because
of the (white) color of our skin. Or being hit with a "hate speech"
charge for expressing an opinion that violates the sensitivity of a
particular, protected (that is, nonwhite) group. Or being relentlessly
mocked as "lily-white" or "white-bread," in other words as having no
true soul, spirit, or culture because we are white.

Gibson is the latest in a long line of public figures who have caught
flak for the crime of Thinking Wrongly. John Rocker was perhaps the
last such high-profile case, and the popular backlash against his
persecution took the form of standing ovations from hometown fans and
a proliferation of "John Rocker for President" T-shirts. Similarly,
the backlash against those who are attacking "The Passion" is likely
to trigger a hugely successful run for the movie.

Such are the unintentional side-effects of the medicine our masters
make us swallow. I guess they'll have to work on all that. One of
these days, maybe they'll perfect the formula, and everyone will
finally fall into step. May the God who died on the cross for our
redemption keep us from that day!

.

User: "Adam Marczyk"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 28 Feb 2004 12:40:19 PM
PALIJinean Liberation Organization <palijinean@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:22c560e8.0402261037.6bc599dc@posting.google.com...

"The Passion" and the furor

Jews behaving badly


By ANDY NOWICKI


Actor, director, and former "Sexiest Man in the World" Mel Gibson
recently gave an interview to Diane Sawyer on ABC to defend his
upcoming movie, "The Passion of the Christ," which has been accused of
fomenting anti-Semitism, essentially because it portrays the scourging
and crucifixion of Christ as depicted in the Christian Gospels, which
undeniably means that the audience is exposed to some striking
examples of Jews behaving badly.

Of course, there are good Jews in the Christian account as well,
including but not limited to Jesus Himself. Still, as Gibson pointed
out in the interview, those who are against his movie really have a
problem with the four Gospels, and, thus, with Christianity itself.
After all, to be a Christian means to believe that Jesus is the Son of
God, and to believe that Jesus is the Son of God means that you think
the Jews, who reject the notion of Jesus as the Son of God, are (gasp)
wrong. Ergo, to be a Christian is to be "anti-Semitic," or at least
anti-Judaic, since if you take your religion seriously, you hold it to
be the truth and those who disagree with it (in this case, Jews) to be
in error. And that, of course, shows ? let's all say it together ?
"bigotry," "intolerance," and, worst of all, "HATE."

Yet some of Gibson's critics are more subtle with their allegations ?
as an example, there's Abe Foxman, president of the Anti-Defamation
League. Perhaps sensing that the all-out assault method might have
backfired, creating resentment from devout Christians who can smell an
overt double standard (when was the last time a director came under
such fire for portraying Christians negatively in a movie?), Foxman
has taken a more clever tack. No, he says, of course Gibson is no
anti-Semite, and by no means is his movie anti-Semitic in content.
But, Foxman adds, "The Passion" could spark anti-Semitic violence from
those who might wrongly interpret its subject matter and themes.

Well, it's a nice try on Foxman's part, but the problem of double
standards still applies. Gibson, who was less combative in the Sawyer
interview than on earlier occasions, still found a memorable way to
make that point, although in an effort to keep his rhetoric civil, he
made sure not to belabor it. In answer to the charge that "The
Passion" could cause people to hate Jews in spite of Gibson's best
intentions, Gibson offhandedly replied that watching "Schindler's
List" hadn't inspired people to hate Germans.

The problem with this is that no one is claiming that Germans should still
be punished for the acts of their ancestors, nor did Schindler's List
inspire anyone to do so. However, anti-Semitism (unfortunately) is still
alive and well in our society, and there *are* those who will be encouraged
to commit acts in that direction by this film. Witness the thread on a.a.
about the Christian pastor who, inspired by this movie, put up a large sign
outside his church reading "Jews Killed the Lord Jesus".
[...]
--
"I'm materialist | a.a. #2001
Call me a humanist | http://www.ebonmusings.org
I guess I'm full of doubt | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
So I'll gladly have it out with you..." | ICQ: 8777843
--Bad Religion, "Materialist" | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
----------------------------------------------------------------------
.
User: "Kurt Knoll"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 28 Feb 2004 02:39:54 PM
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ng50c.5054$bk5.1198@news02.roc.ny...

PALIJinean Liberation Organization <palijinean@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:22c560e8.0402261037.6bc599dc@posting.google.com...

"The Passion" and the furor

Jews behaving badly


By ANDY NOWICKI


Actor, director, and former "Sexiest Man in the World" Mel Gibson
recently gave an interview to Diane Sawyer on ABC to defend his
upcoming movie, "The Passion of the Christ," which has been accused

of

fomenting anti-Semitism, essentially because it portrays the

scourging

and crucifixion of Christ as depicted in the Christian Gospels,

which

undeniably means that the audience is exposed to some striking
examples of Jews behaving badly.

Of course, there are good Jews in the Christian account as well,
including but not limited to Jesus Himself. Still, as Gibson pointed
out in the interview, those who are against his movie really have a
problem with the four Gospels, and, thus, with Christianity itself.
After all, to be a Christian means to believe that Jesus is the Son

of

God, and to believe that Jesus is the Son of God means that you

think

the Jews, who reject the notion of Jesus as the Son of God, are

(gasp)

wrong. Ergo, to be a Christian is to be "anti-Semitic," or at least
anti-Judaic, since if you take your religion seriously, you hold it

to

be the truth and those who disagree with it (in this case, Jews) to

be

in error. And that, of course, shows ? let's all say it together ?
"bigotry," "intolerance," and, worst of all, "HATE."

Yet some of Gibson's critics are more subtle with their allegations

?

as an example, there's Abe Foxman, president of the Anti-Defamation
League. Perhaps sensing that the all-out assault method might have
backfired, creating resentment from devout Christians who can smell

an

overt double standard (when was the last time a director came under
such fire for portraying Christians negatively in a movie?), Foxman
has taken a more clever tack. No, he says, of course Gibson is no
anti-Semite, and by no means is his movie anti-Semitic in content.
But, Foxman adds, "The Passion" could spark anti-Semitic violence

from

those who might wrongly interpret its subject matter and themes.

Well, it's a nice try on Foxman's part, but the problem of double
standards still applies. Gibson, who was less combative in the

Sawyer

interview than on earlier occasions, still found a memorable way to
make that point, although in an effort to keep his rhetoric civil,

he

made sure not to belabor it. In answer to the charge that "The
Passion" could cause people to hate Jews in spite of Gibson's best
intentions, Gibson offhandedly replied that watching "Schindler's
List" hadn't inspired people to hate Germans.


The problem with this is that no one is claiming that Germans should

still

be punished for the acts of their ancestors, nor did Schindler's List
inspire anyone to do so. However, anti-Semitism (unfortunately) is

still

alive and well in our society, and there *are* those who will be

encouraged

to commit acts in that direction by this film. Witness the thread on

a.a.

about the Christian pastor who, inspired by this movie, put up a large

sign

outside his church reading "Jews Killed the Lord Jesus".

[...]

--
"I'm materialist | a.a. #2001
Call me a humanist | http://www.ebonmusings.org
I guess I'm full of doubt | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
So I'll gladly have it out with you..." | ICQ: 8777843
--Bad Religion, "Materialist" | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I see nothing wrong with the Film. The Jews are Demonizing all Germans
since 1945 and are getting away with it.
Kurt Knoll.
=
.

User: "Iarwain"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 29 Feb 2004 12:32:07 AM

Witness the thread on a.a.
about the Christian pastor who, inspired by this movie, put up a large sign
outside his church reading "Jews Killed the Lord Jesus".

Charles Manson thought the song Helter Skelter was telling him he
should go out and murder people. Were the Beatles responsible for his
lunacy?
I haven't seen the movie and I don't intend to but I don't get the
whole anti-semitism knock. Yeah, some bad guys were Jews (religious
leaders and a mob). So was Jesus Himself, His mother, His Apostles,
and all His disciples. The story was set in Israel, what do you
expect? What's the beef?
Yeah, you have a few narrow minded people who are prejudiced, what
else is new? The vast majority of Christians respect the Jews as
God's Chosen people, through whom God sent the Messiah. As the term
Judeo-Christian would sugget, the two religions have a lot in common.
.
User: "Adam Marczyk"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 29 Feb 2004 10:05:19 AM
Iarwain <iarwain_8@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Witness the thread on a.a.
about the Christian pastor who, inspired by this movie, put up a large
sign outside his church reading "Jews Killed the Lord Jesus".


Charles Manson thought the song Helter Skelter was telling him he
should go out and murder people. Were the Beatles responsible for his
lunacy?

I wouldn't say so, no, but on the other hand if that song had been
inspiring people to commit murder for several dozen centuries then we might
have cause to question.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/jud_pers.htm

I haven't seen the movie and I don't intend to but I don't get the
whole anti-semitism knock. Yeah, some bad guys were Jews (religious
leaders and a mob). So was Jesus Himself, His mother, His Apostles,
and all His disciples. The story was set in Israel, what do you
expect? What's the beef?

Most attention in this regard has focused on the Gospel of Matthew, which
puts into the mouths of the Jewish crowd at Jesus' trial the line "Crucify
him! His blood be upon us and upon our children!" (27:25).

Yeah, you have a few narrow minded people who are prejudiced, what
else is new? The vast majority of Christians respect the Jews as
God's Chosen people, through whom God sent the Messiah. As the term
Judeo-Christian would sugget, the two religions have a lot in common.

According to the Christian Bible, Jewish people who do not convert and
recognize Jesus Christ as their messiah are destined for an eternity of
suffering in Hell. I think that difference makes most of their minor
similarities fairly insignificant.
--
"I'm materialist | a.a. #2001
Call me a humanist | http://www.ebonmusings.org
I guess I'm full of doubt | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
So I'll gladly have it out with you..." | ICQ: 8777843
--Bad Religion, "Materialist" | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
----------------------------------------------------------------------
.


User: "Perfesser White"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 28 Feb 2004 12:56:33 PM
In article <ng50c.5054$bk5.1198@news02.roc.ny>,
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote:

PALIJinean Liberation Organization <palijinean@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:22c560e8.0402261037.6bc599dc@posting.google.com...

"The Passion" and the furor

Jews behaving badly


By ANDY NOWICKI


Actor, director, and former "Sexiest Man in the World" Mel Gibson
recently gave an interview to Diane Sawyer on ABC to defend his
upcoming movie, "The Passion of the Christ," which has been accused of
fomenting anti-Semitism, essentially because it portrays the scourging
and crucifixion of Christ as depicted in the Christian Gospels, which
undeniably means that the audience is exposed to some striking
examples of Jews behaving badly.

Of course, there are good Jews in the Christian account as well,
including but not limited to Jesus Himself. Still, as Gibson pointed
out in the interview, those who are against his movie really have a
problem with the four Gospels, and, thus, with Christianity itself.
After all, to be a Christian means to believe that Jesus is the Son of
God, and to believe that Jesus is the Son of God means that you think
the Jews, who reject the notion of Jesus as the Son of God, are (gasp)
wrong. Ergo, to be a Christian is to be "anti-Semitic," or at least
anti-Judaic, since if you take your religion seriously, you hold it to
be the truth and those who disagree with it (in this case, Jews) to be
in error. And that, of course, shows ? let's all say it together ?
"bigotry," "intolerance," and, worst of all, "HATE."

Yet some of Gibson's critics are more subtle with their allegations ?
as an example, there's Abe Foxman, president of the Anti-Defamation
League. Perhaps sensing that the all-out assault method might have
backfired, creating resentment from devout Christians who can smell an
overt double standard (when was the last time a director came under
such fire for portraying Christians negatively in a movie?), Foxman
has taken a more clever tack. No, he says, of course Gibson is no
anti-Semite, and by no means is his movie anti-Semitic in content.
But, Foxman adds, "The Passion" could spark anti-Semitic violence from
those who might wrongly interpret its subject matter and themes.

Well, it's a nice try on Foxman's part, but the problem of double
standards still applies. Gibson, who was less combative in the Sawyer
interview than on earlier occasions, still found a memorable way to
make that point, although in an effort to keep his rhetoric civil, he
made sure not to belabor it. In answer to the charge that "The
Passion" could cause people to hate Jews in spite of Gibson's best
intentions, Gibson offhandedly replied that watching "Schindler's
List" hadn't inspired people to hate Germans.


The problem with this is that no one is claiming that Germans should still
be punished for the acts of their ancestors,

Germans are still being punished for the acts of their ancestors. Even
today they must fund holocaust memorials with tax dollars, and certain
political thought is outlawed, for example.

nor did Schindler's List
inspire anyone to do so.

In what way does this movie "inspire" anyone to act in any way? Aren't
you projecting here, or assuming the thoughts of others?

However, anti-Semitism (unfortunately) is still
alive and well in our society,

Perhaps any hostility towards the Jews is brought about by their current
politics and actions.

and there *are* those who will be encouraged
to commit acts in that direction by this film.

Even if true, how do you expect to control the fringe element in any
society?
Perfesser White

Witness the thread on a.a.
about the Christian pastor who, inspired by this movie, put up a large sign
outside his church reading "Jews Killed the Lord Jesus".

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User: "Perfesser White"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 28 Feb 2004 12:50:36 PM
In article <ng50c.5054$bk5.1198@news02.roc.ny>,
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote:

PALIJinean Liberation Organization <palijinean@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:22c560e8.0402261037.6bc599dc@posting.google.com...

"The Passion" and the furor

Jews behaving badly


By ANDY NOWICKI


Actor, director, and former "Sexiest Man in the World" Mel Gibson
recently gave an interview to Diane Sawyer on ABC to defend his
upcoming movie, "The Passion of the Christ," which has been accused of
fomenting anti-Semitism, essentially because it portrays the scourging
and crucifixion of Christ as depicted in the Christian Gospels, which
undeniably means that the audience is exposed to some striking
examples of Jews behaving badly.

Of course, there are good Jews in the Christian account as well,
including but not limited to Jesus Himself. Still, as Gibson pointed
out in the interview, those who are against his movie really have a
problem with the four Gospels, and, thus, with Christianity itself.
After all, to be a Christian means to believe that Jesus is the Son of
God, and to believe that Jesus is the Son of God means that you think
the Jews, who reject the notion of Jesus as the Son of God, are (gasp)
wrong. Ergo, to be a Christian is to be "anti-Semitic," or at least
anti-Judaic, since if you take your religion seriously, you hold it to
be the truth and those who disagree with it (in this case, Jews) to be
in error. And that, of course, shows ? let's all say it together ?
"bigotry," "intolerance," and, worst of all, "HATE."

Yet some of Gibson's critics are more subtle with their allegations ?
as an example, there's Abe Foxman, president of the Anti-Defamation
League. Perhaps sensing that the all-out assault method might have
backfired, creating resentment from devout Christians who can smell an
overt double standard (when was the last time a director came under
such fire for portraying Christians negatively in a movie?), Foxman
has taken a more clever tack. No, he says, of course Gibson is no
anti-Semite, and by no means is his movie anti-Semitic in content.
But, Foxman adds, "The Passion" could spark anti-Semitic violence from
those who might wrongly interpret its subject matter and themes.

Well, it's a nice try on Foxman's part, but the problem of double
standards still applies. Gibson, who was less combative in the Sawyer
interview than on earlier occasions, still found a memorable way to
make that point, although in an effort to keep his rhetoric civil, he
made sure not to belabor it. In answer to the charge that "The
Passion" could cause people to hate Jews in spite of Gibson's best
intentions, Gibson offhandedly replied that watching "Schindler's
List" hadn't inspired people to hate Germans.


The problem with this is that no one is claiming that Germans should still
be punished for the acts of their ancestors, nor did Schindler's List
inspire anyone to do so. However, anti-Semitism (unfortunately) is still
alive and well in our society, and there *are* those who will be encouraged
to commit acts in that direction by this film. Witness the thread on a.a.
about the Christian pastor who, inspired by this movie, put up a large sign
outside his church reading "Jews Killed the Lord Jesus".

[...]

Perhaps the pastor did that because of Jewish attempts to deny
culpability in the execution of Jesus.
The thing that amazes me is that this is such as issue. The Jews *of
that day* wanted rid of Jesus, no doubt about it. However, is anyone
today guilty for the sins of their fathers 2K years ago? All this
bruhaha has reached insanity proportion.
Perfesser White
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User: "Richard Smol"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 26 Feb 2004 02:22:15 PM
PALIJinean Liberation Organization wrote:

"The Passion" and the furor

I am growing a bit weary of all the talk about this film.
It's a lousy movie by a totlaly untalented director/actor
who thinks his beliefs are somehow more crdible than someone
else's.
RS
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User: "creosote"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 26 Feb 2004 10:44:32 PM
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat_nospam_@dds.nl> wrote in message news:<403e5577$1_1@127.0.0.1>...

PALIJinean Liberation Organization wrote:

"The Passion" and the furor


I am growing a bit weary of all the talk about this film.
It's a lousy movie by a totlaly untalented director/actor
who thinks his beliefs are somehow more crdible than someone
else's.

RS

So you actually SAW the movie? Tell us about your experience, which
scenes you thought were particularly bad, and other things about your
experience of actually SEEING THE MOVIE.
.
User: "Richard Smol"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 27 Feb 2004 03:26:03 PM
(creosote) wrote in message news:<e9d4fd66.0402262044.a2616f9@posting.google.com>...

"Richard Smol" <jazzcat_nospam_@dds.nl> wrote in message news:<403e5577$1_1@127.0.0.1>...

PALIJinean Liberation Organization wrote:

"The Passion" and the furor


I am growing a bit weary of all the talk about this film.
It's a lousy movie by a totlaly untalented director/actor
who thinks his beliefs are somehow more crdible than someone
else's.


So you actually SAW the movie? Tell us about your experience, which
scenes you thought were particularly bad, and other things about your
experience of actually SEEING THE MOVIE.

I said I am weary about all the *talk* about this movie. And
it has been directed buy Mel "Tapioca-Brain" Gibson, so it's
bad by definition. I am not gonna spend my hard earned cash
on that.
RS
.
User: "whizbang"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 03 Mar 2004 04:32:43 AM
(Richard Smol) wrote in message news:<2767b33a.0402271326.19b195a@posting.google.com>...

Jaggedridge@aol.com (creosote) wrote in message news:<e9d4fd66.0402262044.a2616f9@posting.google.com>...

"Richard Smol" <jazzcat_nospam_@dds.nl> wrote in message news:<403e5577$1_1@127.0.0.1>...

PALIJinean Liberation Organization wrote:

"The Passion" and the furor


I am growing a bit weary of all the talk about this film.
It's a lousy movie by a totlaly untalented director/actor
who thinks his beliefs are somehow more crdible than someone
else's.


So you actually SAW the movie? Tell us about your experience, which
scenes you thought were particularly bad, and other things about your
experience of actually SEEING THE MOVIE.


I said I am weary about all the *talk* about this movie. And
it has been directed buy Mel "Tapioca-Brain" Gibson, so it's
bad by definition. I am not gonna spend my hard earned cash
on that.

RS

If you haven't seen the movie, you have no basis upon which to judge
it. Just because you don't like Gibson doesn't mean he is incapable
of making a good movie. Frankly, I don't care for most of his stuff
either, but this movie wasn't one simply to be dismissed.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 27 Feb 2004 03:52:33 PM
On 27 Feb 2004 13:26:03 -0800,
(Richard Smol) wrote:

Jaggedridge@aol.com (creosote) wrote in message news:<e9d4fd66.0402262044.a2616f9@posting.google.com>...

"Richard Smol" <jazzcat_nospam_@dds.nl> wrote in message news:<403e5577$1_1@127.0.0.1>...

PALIJinean Liberation Organization wrote:

"The Passion" and the furor


I am growing a bit weary of all the talk about this film.
It's a lousy movie by a totlaly untalented director/actor
who thinks his beliefs are somehow more crdible than someone
else's.


So you actually SAW the movie? Tell us about your experience, which
scenes you thought were particularly bad, and other things about your
experience of actually SEEING THE MOVIE.


I said I am weary about all the *talk* about this movie. And
it has been directed buy Mel "Tapioca-Brain" Gibson, so it's
bad by definition.

You will never be 1/1,000th of the man Gibson is.
No, make that: 1/1,000,000th.
So who's the "Tapioca-Brain" here?

I am not gonna spend my hard earned cash
on that.

RS

You are in the minority. go flip a burger.
.
User: "Richard Smol"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 28 Feb 2004 04:36:05 AM
wrote in message news:<mmev30hq7ju7o144bglunju4b0ksucl7ce@4ax.com>...

On 27 Feb 2004 13:26:03 -0800,

(Richard Smol) wrote:

I said I am weary about all the *talk* about this movie. And
it has been directed buy Mel "Tapioca-Brain" Gibson, so it's
bad by definition.


You will never be 1/1,000th of the man Gibson is.
No, make that: 1/1,000,000th.

I am at least 10 times the man he is, simply by
not believing the idiocy he does... and by not
spreading hatred towards others because of it.

So who's the "Tapioca-Brain" here?

Obviously I just got a response by another one.

I am not gonna spend my hard earned cash
on that.


You are in the minority.

It indeed looks like only a minority of people actually
use their brains.

go flip a burger.

I do when I am barbecueing.
RS
.
User: "whizbang"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 03 Mar 2004 04:34:37 AM
(Richard Smol) wrote in message news:<2767b33a.0402280236.7b4fd9a4@posting.google.com>...

make@peace.com wrote in message news:<mmev30hq7ju7o144bglunju4b0ksucl7ce@4ax.com>...

On 27 Feb 2004 13:26:03 -0800,

(Richard Smol) wrote:

I said I am weary about all the *talk* about this movie. And
it has been directed buy Mel "Tapioca-Brain" Gibson, so it's
bad by definition.


You will never be 1/1,000th of the man Gibson is.
No, make that: 1/1,000,000th.


I am at least 10 times the man he is, simply by
not believing the idiocy he does... and by not
spreading hatred towards others because of it.

So who's the "Tapioca-Brain" here?


Obviously I just got a response by another one.

I am not gonna spend my hard earned cash
on that.


You are in the minority.


It indeed looks like only a minority of people actually
use their brains.

go flip a burger.


I do when I am barbecueing.

RS

Watch out for that mad cow.
.


User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 27 Feb 2004 04:25:59 PM
wrote in news:mmev30hq7ju7o144bglunju4b0ksucl7ce@4ax.com:

On 27 Feb 2004 13:26:03 -0800,

(Richard Smol) wrote:

Jaggedridge@aol.com (creosote) wrote in message
news:<e9d4fd66.0402262044.a2616f9@posting.google.com>...

"Richard Smol" <jazzcat_nospam_@dds.nl> wrote in message
news:<403e5577$1_1@127.0.0.1>...

PALIJinean Liberation Organization wrote:

"The Passion" and the furor


I am growing a bit weary of all the talk about this film.
It's a lousy movie by a totlaly untalented director/actor
who thinks his beliefs are somehow more crdible than someone
else's.


So you actually SAW the movie? Tell us about your experience, which
scenes you thought were particularly bad, and other things about
your experience of actually SEEING THE MOVIE.


I said I am weary about all the *talk* about this movie. And
it has been directed buy Mel "Tapioca-Brain" Gibson, so it's
bad by definition.


You will never be 1/1,000th of the man Gibson is.
No, make that: 1/1,000,000th.

Ooooh. Argument from fractions. Very convincing.

So who's the "Tapioca-Brain" here?

Could be YOU.

I am not gonna spend my hard earned cash
on that.

You are in the minority.

We'll see.

go flip a burger.

Sit and spin.
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"You should realize Usenet is a strange reality where you see people
beating up a patch of grass where nine years ago there used to be a
horse. " 01 July 2003, talk.origins
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 27 Feb 2004 05:20:33 PM
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:25:59 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:

make@peace.com wrote in news:mmev30hq7ju7o144bglunju4b0ksucl7ce@4ax.com:

On 27 Feb 2004 13:26:03 -0800,

(Richard Smol) wrote:

Jaggedridge@aol.com (creosote) wrote in message
news:<e9d4fd66.0402262044.a2616f9@posting.google.com>...

"Richard Smol" <jazzcat_nospam_@dds.nl> wrote in message
news:<403e5577$1_1@127.0.0.1>...

PALIJinean Liberation Organization wrote:

"The Passion" and the furor


I am growing a bit weary of all the talk about this film.
It's a lousy movie by a totlaly untalented director/actor
who thinks his beliefs are somehow more crdible than someone
else's.


So you actually SAW the movie? Tell us about your experience, which
scenes you thought were particularly bad, and other things about
your experience of actually SEEING THE MOVIE.


I said I am weary about all the *talk* about this movie. And
it has been directed buy Mel "Tapioca-Brain" Gibson, so it's
bad by definition.


You will never be 1/1,000th of the man Gibson is.
No, make that: 1/1,000,000th.


Ooooh. Argument from fractions. Very convincing.

Would you prefer decimals?

So who's the "Tapioca-Brain" here?


Could be YOU.

Could be, could be you too.

I am not gonna spend my hard earned cash
on that.

You are in the minority.


We'll see.

We do see. You are in the minority.

go flip a burger.


Sit and spin.

Ah, a man of few words.
.


User: "Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 28 Feb 2004 04:10:32 PM
Andy Rooney said Thursday that Mel Gibson's movie depicting the
crucifixion of Jesus Christ was good "for a few laughs," but not much
else.
Saying he had no intention of seeing "The Passion of the Christ,"
Rooney told radio host Don Imus, "I mean, I don't want to pay $9 just
for a few laughs."
God was speaking through him _ calling Mel Gibson and the Rev. Pat
Robertson "wackos."
They're crazy as bedbugs, another earthly expression," Rooney said,
quoting God. "I created bedbugs. I tell you, they're no crazier than
people."
Rooney showed clips of Gibson talking to ABC's Diane Sawyer about
Gibson's film "The Passion of the Christ."
The Reverend Doctor Leland Milton Goldblatt, Founder and President of
the Georgian Trinity Southwestern Coalition, is one of America's
foremost civil rights, religious and political figures. Over the past
fifity years he has played a pivotal role in virtually every movement
for empowerment, peace, civil rights, gender equality, and economic
and social justice.
Reverend Milton Goldblatt has been called the "Conscience of the
Nation" and "the Great Unifier," challenging America to be inclusive
and to establish just and human priorities for the benefit of all. He
is known for bringing people together in common ground across lines of
race, culture, class, gender and belief pontificates:
Shalom,
---Prof. Leland Milton Goldblatt, Ph.D. ®
Reverend Chancellor Leland Milton Goldblatt Ph.D. ED.D. M.F.A, D.Div.
M.Theo .
Copyright © 2004
http://www.prof.faithweb.com
http://drgoldblatt.blogspot.com/
http://www.voxfux.com
http://www.bushflash.com/nazi.html
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/
(773) 731-1100
.
User: "whizbang"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 03 Mar 2004 04:43:21 AM
(Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD) wrote in message news:<e87f6743.0402281410.5a77d0f3@posting.google.com>...

Andy Rooney said Thursday that Mel Gibson's movie depicting the
crucifixion of Jesus Christ was good "for a few laughs," but not much
else.

Saying he had no intention of seeing "The Passion of the Christ,"
Rooney told radio host Don Imus, "I mean, I don't want to pay $9 just
for a few laughs."

Rooney is a perfect example of an intellectual lightweight popping off
to the entire nation. Whoever said that turkey knows anything? That
reminds me -- the worst thing about the current state of affairs in
publishing are all these morons from the electronic media who have
coopted the book game. As if we don't hear enough from Tom Brokaw on
the Nightly News, now we have to watch him push talented writers and
philosophers aside so we can be treated to a bunch more of the
wonderful twists and turns of his "special mind." It's not just the
liberals, mind you. I mean, who really gives a ***** what Sean
Hannity thinks? The guy is a twirp who never had anything in his life
go wrong. I heard him say something once that practically floored me.
It was something akin to no one in the United States lives without
air conditioning or a telephone or something of that nature. It was
like, Jesus, you bourgeois dope, haven't you been around at all? But
this clown writes books, gets them published, and stupid Americans
think he's got something to say. It simply boggles the mind. Anyone
who would do or not do something based on what that old fool, Andy
Rooney, thinks, deserves the wasted life they have.
.




User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 27 Feb 2004 11:45:08 AM
Lo, many moons past, on 26 Feb 2004 20:44:32 -0800, a stranger called
by some
(creosote) came forth and told this tale
in alt.atheism

"Richard Smol" <jazzcat_nospam_@dds.nl> wrote in message news:<403e5577$1_1@127.0.0.1>...

PALIJinean Liberation Organization wrote:

"The Passion" and the furor


I am growing a bit weary of all the talk about this film.
It's a lousy movie by a totlaly untalented director/actor
who thinks his beliefs are somehow more crdible than someone
else's.


So you actually SAW the movie? Tell us about your experience, which
scenes you thought were particularly bad, and other things about your
experience of actually SEEING THE MOVIE.

It was a disgusting gore-fest, devoid of any context. And I was
highly amused at the Romans speaking Latin, instead of Greek, as they
did in the eastern empire.
Really, just a sick, sick movie.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
.


User: "Kal Alexander"

Title: Re: Best review, bar none, of Mel's Movie The Passion Of The Christ 26 Feb 2004 05:18:01 PM
Richard Smol wrote:

PALIJinean Liberation Organization wrote:

"The Passion" and the furor


I am growing a bit weary of all the talk about this film.
It's a lousy movie by a totlaly untalented director/actor
who thinks his beliefs are somehow more crdible than someone
else's.

RS

You know, this is probably the most objective review I have read
yet.
But he's not totally untalented as an actor. Just a bit
one dimensional, is all.
--
Later
Kal
--
What if Judas had said "Actually, I'm kinda hungry. I think I'll
stay for dinner."?
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