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27 Apr 2005 12:50:45 PM |
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Better than in Science Class? |
Bible class...
http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/04/27/bible.class.ap/index.html
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Better than in Science Class? |
28 Apr 2005 02:57:23 AM |
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"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bible class...
http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/04/27/bible.class.ap/index.html
I don't see how they could teach it has history cept in the sense of
religious history, there's no evidence for events in the bible other than
the bible itself.
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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| Title: Re: Better than in Science Class? |
27 Apr 2005 01:30:21 PM |
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From the article: "ODESSA, Texas (AP) -- The school board in the West
Texas town of Odessa voted unanimously to add a Bible class to its high
school curriculum."
Dumb - just freakin' dumb. They should have offered a course in "The
History of Roman Era Middle-East Influences to Western Culture."
I had a literature class in HS where one of the required books was the
Bible. As I remember, it was studied purely as literature.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Better than in Science Class? |
27 Apr 2005 01:35:50 PM |
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"VoiceOfReason" <papa_fox@cybertown.com> wrote in message
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From the article: "ODESSA, Texas (AP) -- The school board in the West
Texas town of Odessa voted unanimously to add a Bible class to its high
school curriculum."
Dumb - just freakin' dumb. They should have offered a course in "The
History of Roman Era Middle-East Influences to Western Culture."
I had a literature class in HS where one of the required books was the
Bible. As I remember, it was studied purely as literature.
I read an article on this and first of all, the course is an elective, not a
requirement. Secondly, it's going to be taught as literature, not "truth",
though I'm sure some teachers will use the course to forward their own
religious agenda :P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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27 Apr 2005 01:56:10 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> said:
"VoiceOfReason" <papa_fox@cybertown.com> wrote in message
news:1114626621.787174.237030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
From the article: "ODESSA, Texas (AP) -- The school board in the West
Texas town of Odessa voted unanimously to add a Bible class to its high
school curriculum."
Dumb - just freakin' dumb. They should have offered a course in "The
History of Roman Era Middle-East Influences to Western Culture."
I had a literature class in HS where one of the required books was the
Bible. As I remember, it was studied purely as literature.
I read an article on this and first of all, the course is an elective, not a
requirement. Secondly, it's going to be taught as literature, not "truth",
though I'm sure some teachers will use the course to forward their own
religious agenda :P
When I was in High School the state of Florida instituted a
half-semester course called "Americanism versus Communism". The course
title was a little self-serving -- it should have been "Capitalism
versus Communism" -- but is was remarkable in that we actually read
the words of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, etc. -- atheists all. For the
student who had been taught to be a bit of a freethinker, it was a bit
subversive, unintentionally, because some of what they said made a lot
of sense, in their criticisms of the excesses of capitalism. I wonder
if such a course would be allowed today in these red states.
Jim07D5
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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27 Apr 2005 03:28:10 PM |
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In article <3da4bnF6ptj8vU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff said...
I read an article on this and first of all, the course is an elective, not a
requirement. Secondly, it's going to be taught as literature, not "truth",
Uh huh, and I promise I'll still respect you in the morning.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Fuquier" |
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27 Apr 2005 03:35:47 PM |
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It should be used as a case study in Creative Writing.
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| User: "Lt. Kizhe Catson" |
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27 Apr 2005 01:42:55 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"VoiceOfReason" <papa_fox@cybertown.com> wrote in message
news:1114626621.787174.237030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
From the article: "ODESSA, Texas (AP) -- The school board in the West
Texas town of Odessa voted unanimously to add a Bible class to its high
school curriculum."
Dumb - just freakin' dumb. They should have offered a course in "The
History of Roman Era Middle-East Influences to Western Culture."
I had a literature class in HS where one of the required books was the
Bible. As I remember, it was studied purely as literature.
I read an article on this and first of all, the course is an elective, not a
requirement. Secondly, it's going to be taught as literature, not "truth",
though I'm sure some teachers will use the course to forward their own
religious agenda :P
That's the kicker, isn't it? Granted, the Bible is well worth studying
for its influence on Western culture (and ironically, the KJV might be
the preferred version for literary studies). But somehow I smell a
stealth Sunday School behind this proposal.
-- Kizhe
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Better than in Science Class? |
27 Apr 2005 01:49:28 PM |
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"Lt. Kizhe Catson" <lt.kizhe@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"VoiceOfReason" <papa_fox@cybertown.com> wrote in message
news:1114626621.787174.237030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
From the article: "ODESSA, Texas (AP) -- The school board in the West
Texas town of Odessa voted unanimously to add a Bible class to its high
school curriculum."
Dumb - just freakin' dumb. They should have offered a course in "The
History of Roman Era Middle-East Influences to Western Culture."
I had a literature class in HS where one of the required books was the
Bible. As I remember, it was studied purely as literature.
I read an article on this and first of all, the course is an elective,
not a
requirement. Secondly, it's going to be taught as literature, not
"truth",
though I'm sure some teachers will use the course to forward their own
religious agenda :P
That's the kicker, isn't it? Granted, the Bible is well worth studying
for its influence on Western culture (and ironically, the KJV might be
the preferred version for literary studies). But somehow I smell a
stealth Sunday School behind this proposal.
Exactly! ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "JS2" |
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27 Apr 2005 05:55:11 PM |
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"VoiceOfReason" <papa_fox@cybertown.com> wrote in message
news:1114626621.787174.237030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
From the article: "ODESSA, Texas (AP) -- The school board in the West
Texas town of Odessa voted unanimously to add a Bible class to its high
school curriculum."
Dumb - just freakin' dumb. They should have offered a course in "The
History of Roman Era Middle-East Influences to Western Culture."
Actually, the bible is one of the most influencial books in history,
and religion has always been a driving force behind humanity. Comparative
religion (even if just limited to the major religions ... say Buddhism,
Hinduim, Judahism, Christianity and Islam) should be taught in high
school. In fact, its almost insane that it isn't...
-JS2
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| User: "AC" |
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27 Apr 2005 02:21:39 PM |
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On 27 Apr 2005 11:30:21 -0700,
VoiceOfReason <papa_fox@cybertown.com> wrote:
From the article: "ODESSA, Texas (AP) -- The school board in the West
Texas town of Odessa voted unanimously to add a Bible class to its high
school curriculum."
Dumb - just freakin' dumb. They should have offered a course in "The
History of Roman Era Middle-East Influences to Western Culture."
If it's going to be a study of the Bible, that's fine, less also include the
influences of surrounding religions and philosophies on Biblical writers,
who elements of Sumerian and Akkadian mythology made its way in. The
various theories on who wrote which portions and when, and some discussion
of books left out would make for a very interesting course.
Of course, this is going to be nothing but an hour-long sermon class.
I had a literature class in HS where one of the required books was the
Bible. As I remember, it was studied purely as literature.
And as literature goes, it's pretty damn poor. There are some good bits,
some of the Psalms are pretty pleasant, and the delightfully pornographic
Songs of Solomon is always a crowd-pleaser. I'll admit the cosmological
myth in Genesis is a pretty stirring narrative, but fanciful nonsense about
Jeremiah in the belly of a whale is just a little too goofy and childish
even for my (admittedly) infantile tastes.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "Abner Mintz" |
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27 Apr 2005 06:19:07 PM |
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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'll admit the cosmological
myth in Genesis is a pretty stirring narrative, but fanciful nonsense about
Jeremiah in the belly of a whale is just a little too goofy and childish
even for my (admittedly) infantile tastes.
Jonah, not Jeremiah. Maybe you need to take a Bible class ... ;)
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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27 Apr 2005 07:35:33 PM |
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Abner Mintz wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'll admit the cosmological
myth in Genesis is a pretty stirring narrative, but fanciful nonsense about
Jeremiah in the belly of a whale is just a little too goofy and childish
even for my (admittedly) infantile tastes.
Jonah, not Jeremiah. Maybe you need to take a Bible class ... ;)
Of course, Jeremiah in the belly of the whale would be forecasting all
kinds of doom.
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John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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27 Apr 2005 01:50:06 PM |
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Couple of questions...
1) Is the class required?
2) Is the bible being taught as literal truth, or are they simply
teaching about the effects of the bible on various cultures?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Better than in Science Class? |
27 Apr 2005 01:57:54 PM |
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"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Couple of questions...
1) Is the class required?
2) Is the bible being taught as literal truth, or are they simply
teaching about the effects of the bible on various cultures?
From the article on Yahoo:
ODESSA, Texas - The school board in this West Texas town voted unanimously
to add a Bible class to its high school curriculum.
Hundreds of people, most of them supporters of the proposal, packed the
board meeting Tuesday night. More than 6,000 Odessa residents had signed a
petition supporting the class.
Some residents, however, said the school board acted too quickly. Others
said they feared a national constitutional fight.
Barring any hurdles, the class should be added to the curriculum in fall
2006 and taught as a history or literature course. The school board still
must develop a curriculum, which board member Floy Hinson said should be
open for public review.
The board had heard a presentation in March from Mike Johnson, a
representative of the Greensboro, N.C.-based National Council on Bible
Curriculum in Public Schools, who said that coursework designed by that
organization is not about proselytizing or preaching.
But People for the American Way and the American Civil Liberties Union have
criticized the council, saying its materials promote religion.
Johnson said students in the elective class would learn such things as the
geography of the Middle East and the influence of the Bible on history and
culture.
"How can students understand Leonardo da Vinci's 'Last Supper' or Handel's
'Messiah' if they don't understand the reference from which they came?"
Johnson said. The group's Web site says its curriculum has received backing
in 292 school districts in 35 states.
In Frankenmuth, Mich., a similar proposal led to a yearlong controversy
before the school board voted in January not to offer such a course.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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27 Apr 2005 02:19:32 PM |
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on 27 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Conspiracy of Doves dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
Couple of questions...
1) Is the class required?
2) Is the bible being taught as literal truth, or are they simply
teaching about the effects of the bible on various cultures?
Either way, knowledge is power. Anything they say can be used against them
when scrutiny and skepticism is properly applied.
Odessa, TX? My guess is that 99% of the population is buried in godfog
anyway.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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27 Apr 2005 03:40:05 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
Odessa, TX? My guess is that 99% of the population is buried in
godfog anyway.
Oh, hell yes. Odessa has got to rank as one of the holes in the Bible
Belt, at the very least.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| User: "Scooter the Mighty" |
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27 Apr 2005 06:58:28 PM |
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I'm actually kind of glad about this, as long as the class is elective.
It's probably not constitutional, but if no one is forced to take it
then I don't see it doing any great harm, and it weakens the whackjob
right's persecution complex.
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