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05 Sep 2007 08:48:57 PM |
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Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War |
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
The British are acknowledging this fact by pulling out their troops from
Basra, Iraq's second largest city, handing over the city to the control of
Shia militias. For all intents and purposes, the "Coalition of the Willing"
is now dead. America is now going it alone.
Bush is not acknowledging defeat, but has indirectly admitted it by saying
that some troops can start being brought home soon, even though clearly
nothing has been accomplished with the addition of 30,000 troops for the
last 6 months.
He acknowledged defeat too, by flying into Iraq stealthily in the dead of
night this week, landing at a remote desert outpost in western Iraq, instead
of going to Baghdad, and meeting with American military officials, instead
of meeting with the Iraqi government. (So much for Iraq being a "sovereign
nation"! Can you imaging a head of state of some foreign government,
together with his war secretary and his secretary of state, flying in
unannounced to some remote American state, and not even meeting with
American government officials?) Clearly the U.S. military could not
guarantee the president's safety in Baghdad and the Green Zone, so he had to
go to a remote outpost where he was safe behind razor wire, mines, and an
obscene arsenal of soldiers, tanks, and gunships.
With the British giving up on their quadrant of Iraq -- a strategically
crucial location at the northern tip of the Persian Gulf, where the bulk of
supplies for the U.S. military in Iraq are offloaded, and from which the
vast majority of Iraq's dismal oil output is exported -- American troops are
stranded, and dependent upon air drops for their secure delivery of
supplies.
Reports say the real reason Bush is talking about troops coming home is
because the military in Iraq is broken, and can no longer sustain a
commitment of 160,000 soldiers and marines in the country.
There is no choice; they have to start coming home.
As in Vietnam, where open mutiny and sullen disobedience became the norm
after 1968, in Iraq, the military is finally cracking. Seven enlisted
soldiers even dared to write an open and scathing critique of the war in an
opinion piece in The New York Times, saying the U.S. was widely viewed as an
occupation force in Iraq, and that Iraqis wanted us out -- the sooner the
better. The organization Iraq Veterans Against the War is growing rapidly in
membership. The military has resorted to offering potential enlistees a
whopping $20,000 bonus to go to boot camp immediately, because recruitment
and reenlistment numbers for this year are so dismally low. Junior officer
resignations are at a record high.
As military family members are pointing out, the American military is no
longer a volunteer force. In name it may appear to be, but once stop-loss
orders start routinely preventing troops from quitting the service, it is no
longer volunteer, whatever it may be called. People are being coerced into
fighting. Once you have a coerced army, loyalty goes out the window.
While there is nothing to be done about the disaster in Iraq, which will go
down in military history as one of the great defeats of all time -- the most
powerful military the world has ever known beaten by a disorganized
assortment of ill-trained and ill-equipped guerrilla fighters -- this is
nonetheless a dangerous moment.
Wounded animals are dangerous animals, and President Bush and his gang of
Neo-con wackos, badly wounded by defeat in Iraq, are not anxious to slither
off the political stage as losers. Hence the plans in the works to go double
or nothing with an all-out aerial assault on Iran.
Numerous reports, including most credibly, one in The Times in London (owned
by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp.), suggest a plan has already been laid out
for a 3-day massive bombardment on over 1,200 targets in Iran, which would
attempt to destroy not just that country's nascent nuclear processing
capability, but also its government, communications, and military
facilities, essentially leaving the country of 70 million a smoking ruin.
Such an attack, with no international support, no UN sanction, no threat,
imminent or otherwise, and no provocation, would be, pure and simple, a war
crime of the first order. It would also put the U.S. at war, not just with
Iran, but also with virtually the entire Islamic world.
The Neo-con fantasy is that after such a blitzkrieg, Iranians would rise up
and overthrow their leaders -- those leaders who survived -- but history has
shown that in such times of national disaster, people don't turn on their
leaders, but rather rally to them, however unpopular they may have been.
This is likely to be all the more true in the case of Iran, a country with a
history going back as long as China's with a strong sense of national
identity, and a long recent history of feeling put upon by the U.S.
(America, after all, overthrew Iran's first democratic government in 1950 in
a CIA-inspired coup that set up the regime of the hated Shah Reza Palevi).
Iran at war would be free to set its agents loose to attack American targets
around the world, and inside the U.S., and under the doctrine of
reciprocity, would be justified in attacking anything in America that came
under attack in Iran. If we attacked Iranian nuclear facilities, they could
attack American nuclear facilities, with all the concomitant resulting
spread of radioactive materials. If we attacked power plants or oil
refineries, they would be free to do the same. If we attacked radio and
television stations, so could they. To be sure, Iran would have to use
guerrilla tactics in its attacks, where America would be using B-1 and B-2
bombers and ship-launched cruise missiles, but as has been observed, a
terrorist or guerrilla is just a bomber without a fancy plane.
As I've noted before, war with Iran would mean oil prices zooming to levels
never before seen -- perhaps as high as $200/barrel or 150% above the all
time record of $80/barrel set a year ago. Such prices would bring America's
and the world's economies to a screeching halt. Islamic governments allied
with the U.S., most notably the one in Pakistan, already shaky, could fall
to radical backers of Iran (and Pakistan has the Bomb).
The shocking thing is that even though all the signs of a Bush attack on
Iran are there, including the buildup of an unprecedented Naval armada,
armed to the teeth in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea, nobody in
Congress or the American media is talking about this looming crime and
imminent disaster. Most Americans are blissfully unaware, even though people
in the military are watching it all unfold in horror.
In 2002, Bush illegally diverted billions of dollars Congress appropriated
for the war in Afghanistan to a covert buildup of troops and weapons in the
Middle East for an attack on Iraq. Now the president is asking Congress for
another $50 billion for the War in Iraq, which he will almost certainly be
diverting to the attack on Iran.
The pathetic Democrats in Congress, who already handed Bush $120 billion a
few months ago for continuing and escalating his epic disaster in Iraq, are
likely to grant him this new king's ransom to finance an even worse disaster
in Iran. If they do, the blood of Iranians and Americans will be equally on
all their hands.
The clock is ticking. The only thing that could prevent this Crime Against
Peace by the president would be for Congress, as one, to vote to rescind the
2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force, which Bush has claimed
authorized an unending "war on terror," and which will be his justification
for attacking Iran, and to begin impeachment proceedings against the
president and vice president for conspiring to violate the Nuremberg Charter
by attacking a nation that poses no immediate threat.
Every American should contact their representatives to demand action (to
reach your Congressional delegation, call the Capitol switchboard at
202/225-3121).
Dave LINDORFF is a Philadelphia-based investigative reporter and columnist.
His latest book, "The Case for Impeachment," co-authored by Barbara
Olshansky (St. Martin's Press, 2006) was just released this summer in a
paperback edition. His work is available at www.thiscantbehappening.net.
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| Title: Re: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War |
06 Sep 2007 12:41:52 AM |
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In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War |
06 Sep 2007 04:34:42 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-338B6E.22415205092007@news.giganews.com...
In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
Lindorff was being polite. ;-)
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When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War |
07 Sep 2007 12:00:53 AM |
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In article <deydnao4QMg1VELbnZ2dnUVZ_tGonZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-338B6E.22415205092007@news.giganews.com...
In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
Lindorff was being polite. ;-)
Lindorff was polite and so was I. :-)
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "stoney" |
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20 Sep 2007 10:58:02 AM |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:41:52 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
Beasts and Rats have ethics.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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06 Sep 2007 04:00:59 AM |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:41:52 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
Both?
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| User: "johac" |
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07 Sep 2007 12:04:42 AM |
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In article <5egvd39onao65di0lkc9q42eop273asqsk@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:41:52 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
Both?
Sure. He wounded himself with his lies and now he's backed himself into
a corner. Even his fellow rats can't stand him anymore and are running
away from him in droves.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Sep 2007 09:31:42 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:04:42 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5egvd39onao65di0lkc9q42eop273asqsk@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:41:52 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
Both?
Sure. He wounded himself with his lies and now he's backed himself into
a corner. Even his fellow rats can't stand him anymore and are running
away from him in droves.
The only ones left are Earl and Phred types.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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07 Sep 2007 10:27:18 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:rb24e31cb02fovh0jl4vmsanf5ubj6h83u@4ax.com...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:04:42 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5egvd39onao65di0lkc9q42eop273asqsk@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:41:52 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
Both?
Sure. He wounded himself with his lies and now he's backed himself into
a corner. Even his fellow rats can't stand him anymore and are running
away from him in droves.
The only ones left are Earl and Phred types.
Delusional types are unable to admit when they are wrong.
Fred is definitely delusional. I still think that Earl is a troll
and a phony.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Sep 2007 10:42:18 PM |
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 23:27:18 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:rb24e31cb02fovh0jl4vmsanf5ubj6h83u@4ax.com...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:04:42 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5egvd39onao65di0lkc9q42eop273asqsk@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:41:52 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
Both?
Sure. He wounded himself with his lies and now he's backed himself into
a corner. Even his fellow rats can't stand him anymore and are running
away from him in droves.
The only ones left are Earl and Phred types.
Delusional types are unable to admit when they are wrong.
Fred is definitely delusional. I still think that Earl is a troll
and a phony.
I think Earl's a Fundamentalist Catholic and really believes the
nonsense.
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| User: "johac" |
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08 Sep 2007 01:10:34 AM |
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In article <rb24e31cb02fovh0jl4vmsanf5ubj6h83u@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:04:42 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5egvd39onao65di0lkc9q42eop273asqsk@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:41:52 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
Both?
Sure. He wounded himself with his lies and now he's backed himself into
a corner. Even his fellow rats can't stand him anymore and are running
away from him in droves.
The only ones left are Earl and Phred types.
Birds of a feather.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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06 Sep 2007 10:03:42 AM |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:41:52 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
Tame rats, when cornered, bite.
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| User: "johac" |
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06 Sep 2007 11:59:25 PM |
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In article <ol50e35s6r22n91qeprchn3skfc8qd4dla@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:41:52 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
Tame rats, when cornered, bite.
This rat put itself in a corner with its lies.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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07 Sep 2007 05:34:33 AM |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:03:42 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:41:52 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
Tame rats, when cornered, bite.
An another graduate of Room 101, I see...
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Sep 2007 09:09:34 AM |
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:04:33 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:03:42 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:41:52 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <GLGdnbjvhrLiwULbnZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Lindorff: Beware the Wounded Beast: Bush Has Lost the Iraq War
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:15am. Dave Lindorff
The Iraq War has been lost.
Wounded beast or cornered rat?
Tame rats, when cornered, bite.
An another graduate of Room 101, I see...
Chimpy only qualifies for room -101.
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