| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Bill M" |
| Date: |
30 Dec 2006 11:53:10 AM |
| Object: |
BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the tales
of the Bibles.
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in existence
are authentic to the originals.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of totally
unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths, fables,
inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they are FACTUAL
historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and inconsistencies, The
Bibles totally fail this test.
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz and the
Harry Potter stories.
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
30 Dec 2006 12:18:05 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:iOxlh.15750$h_1.12019@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the
tales of the Bibles.
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in
existence are authentic to the originals.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of
totally unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths,
fables, inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they
are FACTUAL historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and inconsistencies,
The Bibles totally fail this test.
well either that, or the christian god is a COMPLETE MORON for writing that
tripe in the first place
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz and
the Harry Potter stories.
and in those other books you mention, I don't believe there are any demands
of people that they kill their only son just to satisfy some sick twisted
need for an ego boost
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| User: "leo" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
30 Dec 2006 01:15:00 PM |
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Bill M ha escrito:
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the tales
of the Bibles.
No, it isn't. They have been tamed into accepting those words,
whatever they are, as the truth. They dont even know well what is said
in the Bible, but have only a faint idea.
But even their shepherds are ignorants about the global sense of the
bible. In a few cases they are quite aware of its general falseness,
so they know is irrelevant the precise content of the bible. The main
purpose of religion is to extract the tithes from the people. To that
aim are indifferent either the tenets, the god or the dogma of any
religion whatever.
So, we are not talking about rational men, but of people tamed to act
like morons, or as soldiers, or suicide terrorists.
Leopoldo
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in existence
are authentic to the originals.
The experts in this field of the Old and New Testament know quite well
the content of these books are concoctions accumulated through the time
by countless authors.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of totally
unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths, fables,
inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they are FACTUAL
historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and inconsistencies, The
Bibles totally fail this test.
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz and the
Harry Potter stories.
.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
31 Dec 2006 05:32:44 AM |
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leo wrote:
Bill M ha escrito:
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the tales
of the Bibles.
No, it isn't. They have been tamed into accepting those words,
whatever they are, as the truth. They dont even know well what is said
in the Bible, but have only a faint idea.
But even their shepherds are ignorants about the global sense of the
bible. In a few cases they are quite aware of its general falseness,
so they know is irrelevant the precise content of the bible. The main
purpose of religion is to extract the tithes from the people. To that
aim are indifferent either the tenets, the god or the dogma of any
religion whatever.
So, we are not talking about rational men, but of people tamed to act
like morons, or as soldiers, or suicide terrorists.
Leopoldo
Christians don't believe there are contradictions in the bible.
Why? Because it's not written in the bible that there are any.
[With acknowledgments to Andrew W.]
"If one were to take the bible seriously one would go mad.
But to take the bible seriously, one must be already mad."
[A. Crowley]
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in existence
are authentic to the originals.
The experts in this field of the Old and New Testament know quite well
the content of these books are concoctions accumulated through the time
by countless authors.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of totally
unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths, fables,
inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they are FACTUAL
historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and inconsistencies, The
Bibles totally fail this test.
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz and the
Harry Potter stories.
.
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
30 Dec 2006 05:42:02 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:53:10 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the tales
of the Bibles.
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in existence
are authentic to the originals.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of totally
unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths, fables,
inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they are FACTUAL
historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and inconsistencies, The
Bibles totally fail this test.
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz and the
Harry Potter stories.
If the Truth can be told in plain language, then God would personally
write the Bible to make sure no one could miss the Truth. Since the
Truth can never be represented or symbolized by anyone or anything,
the Bible is written exactly as it is so that people can realize the
Truth by learning and searching the truth of the Bible. The Bible only
serves as a tool to teach us the truth. It doesn't have to be
flawless. It's the truth hidden in the Bible that is flawless.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
30 Dec 2006 06:14:25 PM |
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"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:aptdp25odhkbqsha0rm0lm8rauo28ej354@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:53:10 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the
tales
of the Bibles.
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in
existence
are authentic to the originals.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of
totally
unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths,
fables,
inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they are
FACTUAL
historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and inconsistencies,
The
Bibles totally fail this test.
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz and
the
Harry Potter stories.
If the Truth can be told in plain language, then God would personally
write the Bible to make sure no one could miss the Truth. Since the
Truth can never be represented or symbolized by anyone or anything,
the Bible is written exactly as it is so that people can realize the
Truth by learning and searching the truth of the Bible. The Bible only
serves as a tool to teach us the truth. It doesn't have to be
flawless. It's the truth hidden in the Bible that is flawless.
If man has no difficulty communicating with the whole world via TV, Cell
Phone,
Radio and the printed word god should have no difficulty in communicating in
at least as effective manner.
If god could create the Universe and everything in it he certainly should be
able to directly
and clearly communicate with his creations. That is of course if he exists!
.
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
30 Dec 2006 07:44:54 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:14:25 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:aptdp25odhkbqsha0rm0lm8rauo28ej354@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:53:10 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the
tales
of the Bibles.
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in
existence
are authentic to the originals.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of
totally
unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths,
fables,
inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they are
FACTUAL
historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and inconsistencies,
The
Bibles totally fail this test.
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz and
the
Harry Potter stories.
If the Truth can be told in plain language, then God would personally
write the Bible to make sure no one could miss the Truth. Since the
Truth can never be represented or symbolized by anyone or anything,
the Bible is written exactly as it is so that people can realize the
Truth by learning and searching the truth of the Bible. The Bible only
serves as a tool to teach us the truth. It doesn't have to be
flawless. It's the truth hidden in the Bible that is flawless.
If man has no difficulty communicating with the whole world via TV, Cell
Phone,
Radio and the printed word god should have no difficulty in communicating in
at least as effective manner.
If god could create the Universe and everything in it he certainly should be
able to directly
and clearly communicate with his creations. That is of course if he exists!
Absolutely! No one needs to communicate with God through the Bible, or
the church, or the priests... We all can communicate with God
intimately and directly in our everyday lives. God is the teacher. The
Bible is the text book. We are the students. We don't have to
communicate with the teacher through the text book. We follow the
teacher and study the text book.
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
30 Dec 2006 10:50:24 PM |
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Eric Brze wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:14:25 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:aptdp25odhkbqsha0rm0lm8rauo28ej354@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:53:10 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the
tales
of the Bibles.
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in
existence
are authentic to the originals.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of
totally
unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths,
fables,
inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they are
FACTUAL
historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and inconsistencies,
The
Bibles totally fail this test.
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz and
the
Harry Potter stories.
If the Truth can be told in plain language, then God would personally
write the Bible to make sure no one could miss the Truth. Since the
Truth can never be represented or symbolized by anyone or anything,
the Bible is written exactly as it is so that people can realize the
Truth by learning and searching the truth of the Bible. The Bible only
serves as a tool to teach us the truth. It doesn't have to be
flawless. It's the truth hidden in the Bible that is flawless.
If man has no difficulty communicating with the whole world via TV, Cell
Phone,
Radio and the printed word god should have no difficulty in communicating in
at least as effective manner.
If god could create the Universe and everything in it he certainly should be
able to directly
and clearly communicate with his creations. That is of course if he exists!
Absolutely! No one needs to communicate with God through the Bible, or
the church, or the priests... We all can communicate with God
intimately and directly in our everyday lives. God is the teacher. The
Bible is the text book. We are the students. We don't have to
communicate with the teacher through the text book. We follow the
teacher and study the text book.
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
31 Dec 2006 04:43:56 AM |
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"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167540624.365656.220660@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Eric Brze wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:14:25 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:aptdp25odhkbqsha0rm0lm8rauo28ej354@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:53:10 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the
tales of the Bibles.
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands
of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in
existence are authentic to the originals.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of
totally unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths,
fables,
inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they are
FACTUAL historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of
an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and
inconsistencies,
The Bibles totally fail this test.
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz
and
the Harry Potter stories.
If the Truth can be told in plain language, then God would personally
write the Bible to make sure no one could miss the Truth. Since the
Truth can never be represented or symbolized by anyone or anything,
the Bible is written exactly as it is so that people can realize the
Truth by learning and searching the truth of the Bible. The Bible only
serves as a tool to teach us the truth. It doesn't have to be
flawless. It's the truth hidden in the Bible that is flawless.
If man has no difficulty communicating with the whole world via TV, Cell
Phone,
Radio and the printed word god should have no difficulty in
communicating in
at least as effective manner.
If god could create the Universe and everything in it he certainly
should be
able to directly
and clearly communicate with his creations. That is of course if he
exists!
Absolutely! No one needs to communicate with God through the Bible, or
the church, or the priests... We all can communicate with God
intimately and directly in our everyday lives. God is the teacher. The
Bible is the text book. We are the students. We don't have to
communicate with the teacher through the text book. We follow the
teacher and study the text book.
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Screeching accusations sans evidence doesn't make you more believable.
In regards to the greatest death-toll, militant atheists hold the record.
See below
Pastor Frank
LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people
in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone? You can find a
most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder
at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.
The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems
throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated
by atheists in a single century.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
31 Dec 2006 11:53:54 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167540624.365656.220660@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Eric Brze wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:14:25 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:aptdp25odhkbqsha0rm0lm8rauo28ej354@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:53:10 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the
tales of the Bibles.
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands
of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in
existence are authentic to the originals.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of
totally unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths,
fables,
inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they are
FACTUAL historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of
an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and
inconsistencies,
The Bibles totally fail this test.
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz
and
the Harry Potter stories.
If the Truth can be told in plain language, then God would personally
write the Bible to make sure no one could miss the Truth. Since the
Truth can never be represented or symbolized by anyone or anything,
the Bible is written exactly as it is so that people can realize the
Truth by learning and searching the truth of the Bible. The Bible only
serves as a tool to teach us the truth. It doesn't have to be
flawless. It's the truth hidden in the Bible that is flawless.
If man has no difficulty communicating with the whole world via TV, Cell
Phone,
Radio and the printed word god should have no difficulty in
communicating in
at least as effective manner.
If god could create the Universe and everything in it he certainly
should be
able to directly
and clearly communicate with his creations. That is of course if he
exists!
Absolutely! No one needs to communicate with God through the Bible, or
the church, or the priests... We all can communicate with God
intimately and directly in our everyday lives. God is the teacher. The
Bible is the text book. We are the students. We don't have to
communicate with the teacher through the text book. We follow the
teacher and study the text book.
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Screeching accusations sans evidence doesn't make you more believable.
You've been on usenet long enough to know the evidence.
In regards to the greatest death-toll, militant atheists hold the record.
That old canard again? Believe in "god" all you want, I don't care. But
at least learn history.
Olrik
See below
Pastor Frank
LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people
in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone? You can find a
most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder
at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.
The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems
throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated
by atheists in a single century.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
05 Jan 2007 11:29:07 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167540624.365656.220660@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Eric Brze wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:14:25 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:aptdp25odhkbqsha0rm0lm8rauo28ej354@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:53:10 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the
tales of the Bibles.
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands
of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in
existence are authentic to the originals.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of
totally unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths,
fables,
inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they are
FACTUAL historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of
an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and
inconsistencies,
The Bibles totally fail this test.
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz
and
the Harry Potter stories.
If the Truth can be told in plain language, then God would personally
write the Bible to make sure no one could miss the Truth. Since the
Truth can never be represented or symbolized by anyone or anything,
the Bible is written exactly as it is so that people can realize the
Truth by learning and searching the truth of the Bible. The Bible only
serves as a tool to teach us the truth. It doesn't have to be
flawless. It's the truth hidden in the Bible that is flawless.
If man has no difficulty communicating with the whole world via TV, Cell
Phone,
Radio and the printed word god should have no difficulty in
communicating in
at least as effective manner.
If god could create the Universe and everything in it he certainly
should be
able to directly
and clearly communicate with his creations. That is of course if he
exists!
Absolutely! No one needs to communicate with God through the Bible, or
the church, or the priests... We all can communicate with God
intimately and directly in our everyday lives. God is the teacher. The
Bible is the text book. We are the students. We don't have to
communicate with the teacher through the text book. We follow the
teacher and study the text book.
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Screeching accusations sans evidence doesn't make you more believable.
In regards to the greatest death-toll, militant atheists hold the record.
See below
Dishonest again !? Is this so necessary to bolster your invisible god [or is
it just your ego?]
Anyone who has studied history knows all about the genocide and wars and who
were behind them.
Pastor Frank
LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people
in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone? You can find a
most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder
at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.
The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems
throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated
by atheists in a single century.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
06 Jan 2007 06:30:18 PM |
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On 5 Jan 2007 23:29:07 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
Screeching accusations sans evidence doesn't make you more believable.
In regards to the greatest death-toll, militant atheists hold the record.
See below
Dishonest again !? Is this so necessary to bolster your invisible god [or is
it just your ego?]
Anyone who has studied history knows all about the genocide and wars and who
were behind them.
Frank has stated, on numerous occasions, that what is most important to you, is
your god.
Frank's ego, does seem to fit the bill rather well, as his god.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
06 Jan 2007 07:19:43 PM |
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:nff0q2t0ar35qjr522kprvo0l4n1ec50b3@4ax.com...
On 5 Jan 2007 23:29:07 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
Screeching accusations sans evidence doesn't make you more
believable.
In regards to the greatest death-toll, militant atheists hold the
record.
See below
Dishonest again !? Is this so necessary to bolster your invisible god [or
is
it just your ego?]
Anyone who has studied history knows all about the genocide and wars and
who
were behind them.
Glad you are not denying it! Again, you cite no evidence for being
"dishonest".
Frank has stated, on numerous occasions, that what is most important to
you, is
your god. Frank's ego, does seem to fit the bill rather well, as his god.
Glossing over the results of atheist hate and intolerance with non
sequitur? The statement concerned appalling death toll left in the wake of
militant atheists. See below
Pastor Frank
LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people
in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone? You can find a
most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder
at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.
The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems
throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated
by atheists in a single century.
--
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07 Jan 2007 10:40:47 AM |
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On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:19:43 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:nff0q2t0ar35qjr522kprvo0l4n1ec50b3@4ax.com...
On 5 Jan 2007 23:29:07 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
Screeching accusations sans evidence doesn't make you more
believable.
In regards to the greatest death-toll, militant atheists hold the
record.
See below
Dishonest again !? Is this so necessary to bolster your invisible god [or
is
it just your ego?]
Anyone who has studied history knows all about the genocide and wars and
who
were behind them.
Glad you are not denying it!
Why would we deny two thousand years of xtian blood letting?
Again, you cite no evidence for being
"dishonest".
Red herring.
Frank has stated, on numerous occasions, that what is most important to
you, is
your god. Frank's ego, does seem to fit the bill rather well, as his god.
Glossing over the results of atheist hate and intolerance with non
sequitur?
It is not a non sequitur, it is an aside, to another person.
You really should try a little harder.
The statement concerned appalling death toll left in the wake of
militant atheists. See below
Yet for all of that, it does not equal the death toll of one xtian, who alone
was responsible for the death of 20% of the world's population.
It is fortunate indeed, that he did not have the tools of death available to
another genocidal xtian, AH.
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31 Dec 2006 05:40:36 AM |
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Olrik wrote:
Eric Brze wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:14:25 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:aptdp25odhkbqsha0rm0lm8rauo28ej354@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:53:10 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the
tales
of the Bibles.
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in
existence
are authentic to the originals.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of
totally
unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths,
fables,
inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they are
FACTUAL
historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and inconsistencies,
The
Bibles totally fail this test.
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz and
the
Harry Potter stories.
If the Truth can be told in plain language, then God would personally
write the Bible to make sure no one could miss the Truth. Since the
Truth can never be represented or symbolized by anyone or anything,
the Bible is written exactly as it is so that people can realize the
Truth by learning and searching the truth of the Bible. The Bible only
serves as a tool to teach us the truth. It doesn't have to be
flawless. It's the truth hidden in the Bible that is flawless.
If man has no difficulty communicating with the whole world via TV, Cell
Phone,
Radio and the printed word god should have no difficulty in communicating in
at least as effective manner.
If god could create the Universe and everything in it he certainly should be
able to directly
and clearly communicate with his creations. That is of course if he exists!
Absolutely! No one needs to communicate with God through the Bible, or
the church, or the priests... We all can communicate with God
intimately and directly in our everyday lives. God is the teacher. The
Bible is the text book. We are the students. We don't have to
communicate with the teacher through the text book. We follow the
teacher and study the text book.
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Yes amazing isn't it, when 'His' priests were burning heretics alive during the
theree hundred year period of The Inquisition 'He' didn't chose to appear - reckon
that would have been the perfect excuse for making a showing.
He didn't of course since 'He' is a myth like all of these:
Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Abalim[Judaic] Abba
Amona[Judaic] Abraxis[Judaic]
Adam Beliyya'al'[Judaic] Adam Kadmon[Judaic]
Adonai[Judaic] Adonaiel[Judaic]
Akatriel-Yah[Judaic] Alitha[Judaic]
Alukah(Arpad Yiddish: Estrie)[Judaic] Anafiel[Judaic]
Angels[Judaic] Archons[Judaic] Asherah(Asherah)[Judaic]
Asmodeus(Asmodaios)[Judaic]
Babaluaye, Bacchus, Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Baal[Judaic]
Baal-Karmelos[Judaic]
Bat Kol[Judaic] Beelzebub(Beelzebul Baalzebub)[Judaic]
Belial(Beliar)[Judaic]iBethel[ Syrian]
Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen, Cthulhu Chashmal[Judaic]
Chayyot[Judaic Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Dagon[Judaic] Demiurge(Demiourgos
Demogorgon)[Judaic]
Demons[Judaic] Devekut[Judaic] Dever[Judaic] Dumiel[Judaic]
Dybbuk[Judaic] Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim Eshu, Ereshkigal, El(El
'Elyon)[Judaic] Elim[Judaic]
Elohim[Judaic] Elom[Judaic Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe,
Hera, Helios, Hel, Hephaestus, Golem[Judaic] Ha-Shem[Judaic Hermes, Hestia, Horus,
Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar, ] Ibbur Elim[Judaic]
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
Kefitzat ha-Derekh[Judaic]
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Lilith[Judaic]
Lotan[Judaic] Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius.....etc., etc., etc.,
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31 Dec 2006 11:37:12 PM |
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bob young wrote:
Olrik wrote:
Eric Brze wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:14:25 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:aptdp25odhkbqsha0rm0lm8rauo28ej354@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:53:10 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the
tales
of the Bibles.
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in
existence
are authentic to the originals.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of
totally
unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths,
fables,
inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they are
FACTUAL
historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and inconsistencies,
The
Bibles totally fail this test.
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz and
the
Harry Potter stories.
If the Truth can be told in plain language, then God would personally
write the Bible to make sure no one could miss the Truth. Since the
Truth can never be represented or symbolized by anyone or anything,
the Bible is written exactly as it is so that people can realize the
Truth by learning and searching the truth of the Bible. The Bible only
serves as a tool to teach us the truth. It doesn't have to be
flawless. It's the truth hidden in the Bible that is flawless.
If man has no difficulty communicating with the whole world via TV, Cell
Phone,
Radio and the printed word god should have no difficulty in communicating in
at least as effective manner.
If god could create the Universe and everything in it he certainly should be
able to directly
and clearly communicate with his creations. That is of course if he exists!
Absolutely! No one needs to communicate with God through the Bible, or
the church, or the priests... We all can communicate with God
intimately and directly in our everyday lives. God is the teacher. The
Bible is the text book. We are the students. We don't have to
communicate with the teacher through the text book. We follow the
teacher and study the text book.
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Yes amazing isn't it, when 'His' priests were burning heretics alive during the
theree hundred year period of The Inquisition 'He' didn't chose to appear - reckon
that would have been the perfect excuse for making a showing.
He didn't of course since 'He' is a myth like all of these:
Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Abalim[Judaic] Abba
Amona[Judaic] Abraxis[Judaic]
Adam Beliyya'al'[Judaic] Adam Kadmon[Judaic]
Adonai[Judaic] Adonaiel[Judaic]
Akatriel-Yah[Judaic] Alitha[Judaic]
Alukah(Arpad Yiddish: Estrie)[Judaic] Anafiel[Judaic]
Angels[Judaic] Archons[Judaic] Asherah(Asherah)[Judaic]
Asmodeus(Asmodaios)[Judaic]
Babaluaye, Bacchus, Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Baal[Judaic]
Baal-Karmelos[Judaic]
Bat Kol[Judaic] Beelzebub(Beelzebul Baalzebub)[Judaic]
Belial(Beliar)[Judaic]iBethel[ Syrian]
Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen, Cthulhu Chashmal[Judaic]
Chayyot[Judaic Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Dagon[Judaic] Demiurge(Demiourgos
Demogorgon)[Judaic]
Demons[Judaic] Devekut[Judaic] Dever[Judaic] Dumiel[Judaic]
Dybbuk[Judaic] Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim Eshu, Ereshkigal, El(El
'Elyon)[Judaic] Elim[Judaic]
Elohim[Judaic] Elom[Judaic Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe,
Hera, Helios, Hel, Hephaestus, Golem[Judaic] Ha-Shem[Judaic Hermes, Hestia, Horus,
Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar, ] Ibbur Elim[Judaic]
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
Kefitzat ha-Derekh[Judaic]
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Lilith[Judaic]
Lotan[Judaic] Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius.....etc., etc., etc.,
Reckon that one deserved a bit of name calling and insulting Frannk !! but nothing
!!
Or is it just your New Year resolution to be 'kind' like the originators of your
belief frank?.
hope so
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31 Dec 2006 03:33:57 AM |
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On 30 Dec 2006 20:50:24 -0800, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Eric Brze wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:14:25 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:aptdp25odhkbqsha0rm0lm8rauo28ej354@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:53:10 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
It is incomprehensible that people base their lives and futures on the
tales
of the Bibles.
The Christian religions very foundation is the Bibles.
No originals are in existence. They rotted and disappeared thousands of
years ago, and there is NO authentification that the Bibles now in
existence
are authentic to the originals.
The Bibles were written thousands of years ago by over 50 authors of
totally
unknown
veracity. The Bibles are no more than a collection of ancient myths,
fables,
inconsistencies and implausible tales. There is no evidence they are
FACTUAL
historic documents.
It seems reasonable to claim that if any book or books are the word of an
almighty god,
creator of the Universe, it would be free of errors and inconsistencies,
The
Bibles totally fail this test.
They have no more authenticity than Aesop's Fables, the Wizard of Oz and
the
Harry Potter stories.
If the Truth can be told in plain language, then God would personally
write the Bible to make sure no one could miss the Truth. Since the
Truth can never be represented or symbolized by anyone or anything,
the Bible is written exactly as it is so that people can realize the
Truth by learning and searching the truth of the Bible. The Bible only
serves as a tool to teach us the truth. It doesn't have to be
flawless. It's the truth hidden in the Bible that is flawless.
If man has no difficulty communicating with the whole world via TV, Cell
Phone,
Radio and the printed word god should have no difficulty in communicating in
at least as effective manner.
If god could create the Universe and everything in it he certainly should be
able to directly
and clearly communicate with his creations. That is of course if he exists!
Absolutely! No one needs to communicate with God through the Bible, or
the church, or the priests... We all can communicate with God
intimately and directly in our everyday lives. God is the teacher. The
Bible is the text book. We are the students. We don't have to
communicate with the teacher through the text book. We follow the
teacher and study the text book.
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Actually, if there are enough people who can follow Jesus by studying
the Bible instead of following the Bible blindly without even knowing
Jesus, the world would be a peaceful paradise already.
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| User: "Kilmir" |
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31 Dec 2006 10:57:51 AM |
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Eric Brze schreef:
On 30 Dec 2006 20:50:24 -0800, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Actually, if there are enough people who can follow Jesus by studying
the Bible instead of following the Bible blindly without even knowing
Jesus, the world would be a peaceful paradise already.
Not really. The bible is contradictionary on several places, as are
most if not all "holy" books. Trying to "follow jesus" is still very
very open to personal interpretation because the guidebook isn't
self-consistent, so everyone who reads it will have to choose which
parts are supposed to be followed, which parts were parables and which
should be ignored. That personal interpretation is what causes quite a
lot of grief in the world, and causes all those fringe groups and cults
with hatefull agenda's.
Kilmir
#1944
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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31 Dec 2006 08:22:50 PM |
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Kilmir wrote:
Eric Brze schreef:
On 30 Dec 2006 20:50:24 -0800, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Actually, if there are enough people who can follow Jesus by studying
the Bible instead of following the Bible blindly without even knowing
Jesus, the world would be a peaceful paradise already.
Not really. The bible is contradictionary on several places, as are
most if not all "holy" books. Trying to "follow jesus" is still very
very open to personal interpretation because the guidebook isn't
self-consistent, so everyone who reads it will have to choose which
parts are supposed to be followed, which parts were parables and which
should be ignored. That personal interpretation is what causes quite a
lot of grief in the world, and causes all those fringe groups and cults
with hatefull agenda's.
Give me one example of an inconsistency that can not be logically
resolved.
Michael
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31 Dec 2006 11:44:21 PM |
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
Kilmir wrote:
Eric Brze schreef:
On 30 Dec 2006 20:50:24 -0800, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Actually, if there are enough people who can follow Jesus by studying
the Bible instead of following the Bible blindly without even knowing
Jesus, the world would be a peaceful paradise already.
Not really. The bible is contradictionary on several places, as are
most if not all "holy" books. Trying to "follow jesus" is still very
very open to personal interpretation because the guidebook isn't
self-consistent, so everyone who reads it will have to choose which
parts are supposed to be followed, which parts were parables and which
should be ignored. That personal interpretation is what causes quite a
lot of grief in the world, and causes all those fringe groups and cults
with hatefull agenda's.
Give me one example of an inconsistency that can not be logically
resolved.
Pretty much everything can be "logically resolved", including fiction
like the bible, Harry Potter, etc. If the bible was consistant, you
would not need hermeneutics.
Olrik
Michael
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| User: "bob young" |
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31 Dec 2006 11:27:14 PM |
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Kilmir wrote:
Eric Brze schreef:
On 30 Dec 2006 20:50:24 -0800, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Actually, if there are enough people who can follow Jesus by studying
the Bible instead of following the Bible blindly without even knowing
Jesus, the world would be a peaceful paradise already.
Not really. The bible is contradictionary on several places, as are
most if not all "holy" books. Trying to "follow jesus" is still very
very open to personal interpretation because the guidebook isn't
self-consistent, so everyone who reads it will have to choose which
parts are supposed to be followed, which parts were parables and which
should be ignored. That personal interpretation is what causes quite a
lot of grief in the world, and causes all those fringe groups and cults
with hatefull agenda's.
Hey that's 10 out of 10
Bob
Kilmir
#1944
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31 Dec 2006 02:58:56 PM |
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On 31 Dec 2006 08:57:51 -0800, "Kilmir" <Kilmir@gmail.com> wrote:
Eric Brze schreef:
On 30 Dec 2006 20:50:24 -0800, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Actually, if there are enough people who can follow Jesus by studying
the Bible instead of following the Bible blindly without even knowing
Jesus, the world would be a peaceful paradise already.
Not really. The bible is contradictionary on several places, as are
most if not all "holy" books. Trying to "follow jesus" is still very
very open to personal interpretation because the guidebook isn't
self-consistent, so everyone who reads it will have to choose which
parts are supposed to be followed, which parts were parables and which
should be ignored.
The teaching of Jesus is quite clear and consistant in my opinion.
It's other people's interpretation of Jesus' teaching that is often
confusing. We should follow Jesus, not the interpretation of Jesus by
others.
That personal interpretation is what causes quite a
lot of grief in the world, and causes all those fringe groups and cults
with hatefull agenda's.
Kilmir
#1944
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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31 Dec 2006 04:41:19 PM |
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Eric Brze wrote:
On 31 Dec 2006 08:57:51 -0800, "Kilmir" <Kilmir@gmail.com> wrote:
Eric Brze schreef:
On 30 Dec 2006 20:50:24 -0800, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Actually, if there are enough people who can follow Jesus by studying
the Bible instead of following the Bible blindly without even knowing
Jesus, the world would be a peaceful paradise already.
Not really. The bible is contradictionary on several places, as are
most if not all "holy" books. Trying to "follow jesus" is still very
very open to personal interpretation because the guidebook isn't
self-consistent, so everyone who reads it will have to choose which
parts are supposed to be followed, which parts were parables and which
should be ignored.
The teaching of Jesus is quite clear and consistant in my opinion.
It's other people's interpretation of Jesus' teaching that is often
confusing. We should follow Jesus, not the interpretation of Jesus by
others.
===>The entire New Testament consists of "inetrpretations"
of what a number of early Christ-worshiping writers THOUGHT
their god-man MIGHT have or SHOULD have said. -- L.
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
31 Dec 2006 06:28:45 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:41:19 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Eric Brze wrote:
On 31 Dec 2006 08:57:51 -0800, "Kilmir" <Kilmir@gmail.com> wrote:
Eric Brze schreef:
On 30 Dec 2006 20:50:24 -0800, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Actually, if there are enough people who can follow Jesus by studying
the Bible instead of following the Bible blindly without even knowing
Jesus, the world would be a peaceful paradise already.
Not really. The bible is contradictionary on several places, as are
most if not all "holy" books. Trying to "follow jesus" is still very
very open to personal interpretation because the guidebook isn't
self-consistent, so everyone who reads it will have to choose which
parts are supposed to be followed, which parts were parables and which
should be ignored.
The teaching of Jesus is quite clear and consistant in my opinion.
It's other people's interpretation of Jesus' teaching that is often
confusing. We should follow Jesus, not the interpretation of Jesus by
others.
===>The entire New Testament consists of "inetrpretations"
of what a number of early Christ-worshiping writers THOUGHT
their god-man MIGHT have or SHOULD have said. -- L.
Thanks to Jesus, everything he said is simple enough for anybody to
understand. That leaves little chance for his followers to
misinterpret his words.
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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31 Dec 2006 06:54:21 PM |
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Thanks to Jesus, everything he said is simple enough for anybody to
understand. That leaves little chance for his followers to
misinterpret his words.
so, do the teachings of jesus indicate that an all-powerful omni-potent
being should sit on his FAT, LAZY ***** and do nothing to help a child that is
being raped and murdered?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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31 Dec 2006 07:49:07 PM |
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Eric Brze wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:41:19 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Eric Brze wrote:
On 31 Dec 2006 08:57:51 -0800, "Kilmir" <Kilmir@gmail.com> wrote:
Eric Brze schreef:
On 30 Dec 2006 20:50:24 -0800, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Actually, if there are enough people who can follow Jesus by studying
the Bible instead of following the Bible blindly without even knowing
Jesus, the world would be a peaceful paradise already.
Not really. The bible is contradictionary on several places, as are
most if not all "holy" books. Trying to "follow jesus" is still very
very open to personal interpretation because the guidebook isn't
self-consistent, so everyone who reads it will have to choose which
parts are supposed to be followed, which parts were parables and which
should be ignored.
The teaching of Jesus is quite clear and consistant in my opinion.
It's other people's interpretation of Jesus' teaching that is often
confusing. We should follow Jesus, not the interpretation of Jesus by
others.
===>The entire New Testament consists of "inetrpretations"
of what a number of early Christ-worshiping writers THOUGHT
their god-man MIGHT have or SHOULD have said. -- L.
Thanks to Jesus, everything he said is simple enough for anybody to
understand.
===>There is no real evidence of any "Jesus", let alone
anything such a person may have said.
It is all fiction, Eric.
Like Star Trek or the Bhagavad Gita. -- L.
That leaves little chance for his followers to
misinterpret his words.
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
02 Jan 2007 12:17:36 AM |
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On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:49:07 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Eric Brze wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:41:19 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Eric Brze wrote:
On 31 Dec 2006 08:57:51 -0800, "Kilmir" <Kilmir@gmail.com> wrote:
Eric Brze schreef:
On 30 Dec 2006 20:50:24 -0800, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Actually, if there are enough people who can follow Jesus by studying
the Bible instead of following the Bible blindly without even knowing
Jesus, the world would be a peaceful paradise already.
Not really. The bible is contradictionary on several places, as are
most if not all "holy" books. Trying to "follow jesus" is still very
very open to personal interpretation because the guidebook isn't
self-consistent, so everyone who reads it will have to choose which
parts are supposed to be followed, which parts were parables and which
should be ignored.
The teaching of Jesus is quite clear and consistant in my opinion.
It's other people's interpretation of Jesus' teaching that is often
confusing. We should follow Jesus, not the interpretation of Jesus by
others.
===>The entire New Testament consists of "inetrpretations"
of what a number of early Christ-worshiping writers THOUGHT
their god-man MIGHT have or SHOULD have said. -- L.
Thanks to Jesus, everything he said is simple enough for anybody to
understand.
===>There is no real evidence of any "Jesus",
The evidence is the spiritual truth taught by the Jesus. If you follow
Jesus, you will learn and understand the truth. That is the evidence.
let alone
anything such a person may have said.
It is all fiction, Eric.
Like Star Trek or the Bhagavad Gita. -- L.
That leaves little chance for his followers to
misinterpret his words.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
02 Jan 2007 10:47:17 PM |
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"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:49:07 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Eric Brze wrote:
Thanks to Jesus, everything he said is simple enough for anybody to
understand.
===>There is no real evidence of any "Jesus",
You need to learn to finish your sentences Libertine. What you wanted to
say is: "There is no evidence of any Jesus" ..and therefore whatever he said
is of no value, truth, veracity nor credibility whatever, but what I say is,
for I exist. LOL
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
31 Dec 2006 11:34:11 PM |
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Eric Brze wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:41:19 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Eric Brze wrote:
On 31 Dec 2006 08:57:51 -0800, "Kilmir" <Kilmir@gmail.com> wrote:
Eric Brze schreef:
On 30 Dec 2006 20:50:24 -0800, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Actually, if there are enough people who can follow Jesus by studying
the Bible instead of following the Bible blindly without even knowing
Jesus, the world would be a peaceful paradise already.
Not really. The bible is contradictionary on several places, as are
most if not all "holy" books. Trying to "follow jesus" is still very
very open to personal interpretation because the guidebook isn't
self-consistent, so everyone who reads it will have to choose which
parts are supposed to be followed, which parts were parables and which
should be ignored.
The teaching of Jesus is quite clear and consistant in my opinion.
It's other people's interpretation of Jesus' teaching that is often
confusing. We should follow Jesus, not the interpretation of Jesus by
others.
===>The entire New Testament consists of "inetrpretations"
of what a number of early Christ-worshiping writers THOUGHT
their god-man MIGHT have or SHOULD have said. -- L.
Thanks to Jesus, everything he said is simple enough for anybody to
understand. That leaves little chance for his followers to
misinterpret his words.
There are only the writings of primitives that 'claim' what their man Jesus
was supposed to have said over two thousand years ago. These have been
translated and altered at the whims of the translators time and time again.
Never mond going back two thousand or more years, show me a book, [on
anything] that we have dating back one thousand two hundred years ago? [that's
about a thousand years shorter than the claimed origins of your myth]
You have no more idea than the man on the moon what Jesus said. [are you
really THIS brainwashed?]
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
02 Jan 2007 12:24:26 AM |
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On 31 Dec 2006 23:34:11 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Eric Brze wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:41:19 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Eric Brze wrote:
On 31 Dec 2006 08:57:51 -0800, "Kilmir" <Kilmir@gmail.com> wrote:
Eric Brze schreef:
On 30 Dec 2006 20:50:24 -0800, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
And that's the problem. Too many people did exactly that, resulting in
centuries upon centuries of death, genocide, hatred, wars, intolerance
and ignorance. We indeed created "gods" in our own image. Give peace a
chance, scrap "god".
Olrik
Actually, if there are enough people who can follow Jesus by studying
the Bible instead of following the Bible blindly without even knowing
Jesus, the world would be a peaceful paradise already.
Not really. The bible is contradictionary on several places, as are
most if not all "holy" books. Trying to "follow jesus" is still very
very open to personal interpretation because the guidebook isn't
self-consistent, so everyone who reads it will have to choose which
parts are supposed to be followed, which parts were parables and which
should be ignored.
The teaching of Jesus is quite clear and consistant in my opinion.
It's other people's interpretation of Jesus' teaching that is often
confusing. We should follow Jesus, not the interpretation of Jesus by
others.
===>The entire New Testament consists of "inetrpretations"
of what a number of early Christ-worshiping writers THOUGHT
their god-man MIGHT have or SHOULD have said. -- L.
Thanks to Jesus, everything he said is simple enough for anybody to
understand. That leaves little chance for his followers to
misinterpret his words.
There are only the writings of primitives that 'claim' what their man Jesus
was supposed to have said over two thousand years ago. These have been
translated and altered at the whims of the translators time and time again.
Never mond going back two thousand or more years, show me a book, [on
anything] that we have dating back one thousand two hundred years ago? [that's
about a thousand years shorter than the claimed origins of your myth]
You have no more idea than the man on the moon what Jesus said. [are you
really THIS brainwashed?]
On the contrary, by learning his truth, anyone can be sure about what
Jesus said and why he said it. The human errors in translating or
recording the Bible will become quite obvious and insignificant.
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| User: "Iasion" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE AUTHENTICTY |
01 Jan 2007 02:32:21 AM |
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Eric Brze wrote:
Thanks to Jesus, everything he said is simple enough for anybody to
understand. That leaves little chance for his followers to
misinterpret his words.
Really?
Paul didn't know the Lord's Prayer.
Nor did James, John or Peter's epistles.
It only turns up in later MSS of the Gospels -
in various slightly DIFFERENT versions.
The various MSS and Gospels also have slightly DIFFERENT lists of
apostles names.
Indeed -
the alleged words of God himself at the river Jordan were changed
from the early version :
".. this day have I begotten thee"
to the church approved :
"...in thee I am well pleased".
The resurrection stories in the Gospels are totally contradictory -
they cannot be reconciled into one coherent and complete narrative
including all parts of all Gospels in sequence.
Same with the birth stories - totally different.
Because the original Gospel - G.Mark - had no birth stories and no
resurrection story origianlly either (G.Mark originally ended at 16:8.)
Later Gospel writers copied from G.Mark so had to follow the bulk of
the story closely, only changing minor details or addign episodes. But
G.Mark had no birth or resurrection stories so they made up their own
versions. (Eventually G.Mark had an ending added to match the other
Gospels.)
This is not the signs of history - it's myth which grew and changed
over time.
Q.
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