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"Elroy Willis" |
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30 Dec 2005 08:32:10 AM |
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Bible Codes |
I watched 10 minutes of a show about the Bible Codes this week, and my
jaw dropped open at one point because I couldn't believe what I was
hearing.
Up to that point, people on the show had been saying how the codes
predicted things such as Hitler, assassinations, wars, etc. They were
claiming outright that the codes predicted those events thousands of
years ago when they were first written down.
Then, strangely, when asked how we can use the codes to predict our
own future, one of the code-believers said it probably couldn't be
done or is too unreliable.
This is a perfect example of how the code-believers backdate fulfilled
prophecies. They're perfectly willing to go back and look at some
prophecy, or even hidden codes in the texts, and say "ahah, look at
that, it was predicted way back then."
But when you ask them for future prophecies from the same book,
they clam up, and say it's unreliable. In another few years, however,
some crackpot will come along and claim that some current disaster was
actually predicted at the time you asked the first crackpot for a
prediction...
What causes the obsession many people have about wanting to see the
future so bad? Isn't surprise and the unknown a reason to get up in
the morning? To see what might happen next, for yourself?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Codes |
30 Dec 2005 09:52:30 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:32:10 GMT in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis (Elroy
Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
I watched 10 minutes of a show about the Bible Codes this week, and my
jaw dropped open at one point because I couldn't believe what I was
hearing.
Up to that point, people on the show had been saying how the codes
predicted things such as Hitler, assassinations, wars, etc. They were
claiming outright that the codes predicted those events thousands of
years ago when they were first written down.
Then, strangely, when asked how we can use the codes to predict our
own future, one of the code-believers said it probably couldn't be
done or is too unreliable.
This is a perfect example of how the code-believers backdate fulfilled
prophecies. They're perfectly willing to go back and look at some
prophecy, or even hidden codes in the texts, and say "ahah, look at
that, it was predicted way back then."
But when you ask them for future prophecies from the same book,
they clam up, and say it's unreliable. In another few years, however,
some crackpot will come along and claim that some current disaster was
actually predicted at the time you asked the first crackpot for a
prediction...
Absolutely, and you see exactly the same kind of thing when believers
point out alleged scientific fact in the Bible: it's always ex-post
facto, which is to say that the "science" in the Bible can only be
recognised for what it (allegedly) is *after* science has made the
discovery.
What causes the obsession many people have about wanting to see the
future so bad? Isn't surprise and the unknown a reason to get up in
the morning? To see what might happen next, for yourself?
Power and control, I presume If you know the future, then you have a
measure of control over your own fate, and more rarely that of those
daft enough to believe you. And one imagines that those much given to
taking prophecy seriously lack the usual means of tacking against the
winds of fate.
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"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. www.video2cd.co.uk. Your 8mm films on DVD.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Codes |
31 Dec 2005 08:07:44 AM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
What causes the obsession many people have about wanting to see the
future so bad? Isn't surprise and the unknown a reason to get up in
the morning? To see what might happen next, for yourself?
Power and control, I presume If you know the future, then you have a
measure of control over your own fate, and more rarely that of those
daft enough to believe you.
I'd like to know the future of certain things like the winning lottery
number or winning horse, etc, to make money, but it's not about power
or control, imo. I just want to win enough so I can retire, not run
the world. :)
And one imagines that those much given to taking prophecy seriously
lack the usual means of tacking against the winds of fate.
What are the usual means?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Hagar" |
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30 Dec 2005 12:56:39 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:b3gar158ig6r6glmdacblnegofnvs5qm2d@4ax.com...
I watched 10 minutes of a show about the Bible Codes this week, and my
jaw dropped open at one point because I couldn't believe what I was
hearing.
Watched an entire hour of this unbelievable, wishful thinking garbage. What
really struck me was the gazillion-to-one odds which these bible thumpers
quoted on coming across some of these far-fetched matrixes, as if that
qualifies their authenticity. However, when it was pointed out that similar
results can be obtained in any published book (Moby ***** was one of the
examples), the matrixes discovered, using the same computer program, are
summarily dismissed by the thumpers as purely coincidental. Talk about
brain washing.
I really got a kick out of their happy facial expressions when they talked
about the Earth's predicted total destruction, at the waning of the end
days, in 2010 or 2012. It appeared that the commentators were actually
looking forward to that momentous event of global destruction.
Conclusion: Christians are sick puppies.
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| User: "Smith Computer" |
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30 Dec 2005 01:23:36 PM |
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"Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in message
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:b3gar158ig6r6glmdacblnegofnvs5qm2d@4ax.com...
I watched 10 minutes of a show about the Bible Codes this week, and my
jaw dropped open at one point because I couldn't believe what I was
hearing.
Watched an entire hour of this unbelievable, wishful thinking garbage.
What
really struck me was the gazillion-to-one odds which these bible
thumpers
quoted on coming across some of these far-fetched matrixes, as if that
qualifies their authenticity. However, when it was pointed out that
similar
results can be obtained in any published book (Moby ***** was one of the
examples), the matrixes discovered, using the same computer program, are
summarily dismissed by the thumpers as purely coincidental. Talk about
brain washing.
I really got a kick out of their happy facial expressions when they
talked
about the Earth's predicted total destruction, at the waning of the end
days, in 2010 or 2012. It appeared that the commentators were actually
looking forward to that momentous event of global destruction.
Conclusion: Christians are sick puppies.
One might get the same results from using the dictionary and the code
program.
Conclusion: Accusations are seldom truth except from the accuser's
perspective.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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30 Dec 2005 05:24:52 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:23:36 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
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Conclusion: Accusations are seldom truth except from the accuser's
perspective.
:
Remember you said that.
It WILL come back to haunt you.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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31 Dec 2005 07:59:21 AM |
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Hagar <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in alt.atheism
I really got a kick out of their happy facial expressions when they talked
about the Earth's predicted total destruction, at the waning of the end
days, in 2010 or 2012. It appeared that the commentators were actually
looking forward to that momentous event of global destruction.
Conclusion: Christians are sick puppies.
I'm wondering what % of them would vote against projects to stop an
impending asteroid collision? Would they consider it trying to stop
the end days?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Hagar" |
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01 Jan 2006 03:03:10 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:0i3dr11eetgjqqb23t54o5skh7qkboiv6q@4ax.com...
Hagar <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in alt.atheism
I really got a kick out of their happy facial expressions when they
talked
about the Earth's predicted total destruction, at the waning of the end
days, in 2010 or 2012. It appeared that the commentators were actually
looking forward to that momentous event of global destruction.
Conclusion: Christians are sick puppies.
I'm wondering what % of them would vote against projects to stop an
impending asteroid collision? Would they consider it trying to stop
the end days?
In all likelihood a majority of them, since it would interfere with "Bawd's
Plan" for the End Times, or as Hitler called it: "The Final Solution".
There is absolutely no difference between Christian retards believing that
Gawd's spaceship will rescue their sorry-***** souls during the final showdown
of Armageddon and those mad Muslim terrorists, who blow themselves to
smithereens, harboring the illusion that they will be whisked to Allah Land
to forever frolic with 72 virgins.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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01 Jan 2006 08:34:50 PM |
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Hagar <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
I'm wondering what % of them would vote against projects to stop an
impending asteroid collision? Would they consider it trying to stop
the end days?
In all likelihood a majority of them, since it would interfere with "Bawd's
Plan" for the End Times, or as Hitler called it: "The Final Solution".
There is absolutely no difference between Christian retards believing
that Gawd's spaceship will rescue their sorry-***** souls during the final
showdown of Armageddon and those mad Muslim terrorists, who blow
themselves to smithereens, harboring the illusion that they will be
whisked to Allah Land to forever frolic with 72 virgins.
One of the born-again kooks around here, georgann, believes that some
new Jerusalem will come floating down from the sky like a giant garden
city similar to the garden of Adam and Eve, or something like that.
Once you're bitten by god, (or is it the devil?) it's somehow easy to
believe in such rubbish...
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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02 Jan 2006 03:54:43 AM |
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:34:50 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
One of the born-again kooks around here, georgann, believes that some
new Jerusalem will come floating down from the sky like a giant garden
city similar to the garden of Adam and Eve, or something like that.
Some time in the 1990s a loony who came here to tell us all about new
Zion. When he was told we weren't interested, he accused us of
"speaking for all atheists" and "some atheists might have the sense to
listen to his good news".
Once you're bitten by god, (or is it the devil?) it's somehow easy to
believe in such rubbish...
It seems to destroy all common sense.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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01 Jan 2006 09:10:17 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:34:50 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Hagar <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
I'm wondering what % of them would vote against projects to stop an
impending asteroid collision? Would they consider it trying to stop
the end days?
In all likelihood a majority of them, since it would interfere with "Bawd's
Plan" for the End Times, or as Hitler called it: "The Final Solution".
There is absolutely no difference between Christian retards believing
that Gawd's spaceship will rescue their sorry-***** souls during the final
showdown of Armageddon and those mad Muslim terrorists, who blow
themselves to smithereens, harboring the illusion that they will be
whisked to Allah Land to forever frolic with 72 virgins.
One of the born-again kooks around here, georgann, believes that some
new Jerusalem will come floating down from the sky like a giant garden
city similar to the garden of Adam and Eve, or something like that.
Once you're bitten by god, (or is it the devil?) it's somehow easy to
believe in such rubbish...
Perhaps it's the other way 'round?
They start off with more than one screw loose,
and thus this rubbish appeals to them.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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01 Jan 2006 10:09:12 PM |
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Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Hagar <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
I'm wondering what % of them would vote against projects to stop an
impending asteroid collision? Would they consider it trying to stop
the end days?
In all likelihood a majority of them, since it would interfere with "Bawd's
Plan" for the End Times, or as Hitler called it: "The Final Solution".
There is absolutely no difference between Christian retards believing
that Gawd's spaceship will rescue their sorry-***** souls during the final
showdown of Armageddon and those mad Muslim terrorists, who blow
themselves to smithereens, harboring the illusion that they will be
whisked to Allah Land to forever frolic with 72 virgins.
One of the born-again kooks around here, georgann, believes that some
new Jerusalem will come floating down from the sky like a giant garden
city similar to the garden of Adam and Eve, or something like that.
Once you're bitten by god, (or is it the devil?) it's somehow easy to
believe in such rubbish...
Perhaps it's the other way 'round?
They start off with more than one screw loose,
and thus this rubbish appeals to them.
What's the first screw that becomes loose?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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02 Jan 2006 12:04:55 AM |
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 04:09:12 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Hagar <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
I'm wondering what % of them would vote against projects to stop an
impending asteroid collision? Would they consider it trying to stop
the end days?
In all likelihood a majority of them, since it would interfere with "Bawd's
Plan" for the End Times, or as Hitler called it: "The Final Solution".
There is absolutely no difference between Christian retards believing
that Gawd's spaceship will rescue their sorry-***** souls during the final
showdown of Armageddon and those mad Muslim terrorists, who blow
themselves to smithereens, harboring the illusion that they will be
whisked to Allah Land to forever frolic with 72 virgins.
One of the born-again kooks around here, georgann, believes that some
new Jerusalem will come floating down from the sky like a giant garden
city similar to the garden of Adam and Eve, or something like that.
Once you're bitten by god, (or is it the devil?) it's somehow easy to
believe in such rubbish...
Perhaps it's the other way 'round?
They start off with more than one screw loose,
and thus this rubbish appeals to them.
What's the first screw that becomes loose?
It just has to be the cross-head screw.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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01 Jan 2006 09:08:07 PM |
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On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:03:10 -0800, "Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote:
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:0i3dr11eetgjqqb23t54o5skh7qkboiv6q@4ax.com...
Hagar <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in alt.atheism
I really got a kick out of their happy facial expressions when they
talked
about the Earth's predicted total destruction, at the waning of the end
days, in 2010 or 2012. It appeared that the commentators were actually
looking forward to that momentous event of global destruction.
Conclusion: Christians are sick puppies.
I'm wondering what % of them would vote against projects to stop an
impending asteroid collision? Would they consider it trying to stop
the end days?
In all likelihood a majority of them, since it would interfere with "Bawd's
Plan" for the End Times, or as Hitler called it: "The Final Solution".
There is absolutely no difference between Christian retards believing that
Gawd's spaceship will rescue their sorry-***** souls during the final showdown
of Armageddon and those mad Muslim terrorists, who blow themselves to
smithereens, harboring the illusion that they will be whisked to Allah Land
to forever frolic with 72 virgins.
"...forever frolic with 72 virgins."
That doesn't sound like it would be anything more than a sure recipe
for never-ending ball-busting torture, if they are to eternally retain
their virginity.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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01 Jan 2006 09:58:11 PM |
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Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Hagar <hagen@sahm.name> wrote:
There is absolutely no difference between Christian retards believing that
Gawd's spaceship will rescue their sorry-***** souls during the final showdown
of Armageddon and those mad Muslim terrorists, who blow themselves to
smithereens, harboring the illusion that they will be whisked to Allah Land
to forever frolic with 72 virgins.
"...forever frolic with 72 virgins."
That doesn't sound like it would be anything more than a sure recipe
for never-ending ball-busting torture, if they are to eternally retain
their virginity.
It would require a hymenlich maneuver or two, eh?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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01 Jan 2006 11:58:00 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:58:11 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Hagar <hagen@sahm.name> wrote:
There is absolutely no difference between Christian retards believing that
Gawd's spaceship will rescue their sorry-***** souls during the final showdown
of Armageddon and those mad Muslim terrorists, who blow themselves to
smithereens, harboring the illusion that they will be whisked to Allah Land
to forever frolic with 72 virgins.
"...forever frolic with 72 virgins."
That doesn't sound like it would be anything more than a sure recipe
for never-ending ball-busting torture, if they are to eternally retain
their virginity.
It would require a hymenlich maneuver or two, eh?
If you stretch the English tongue to its limits, yes.
;)
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| User: "satyr" |
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31 Dec 2005 12:18:48 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:56:39 -0800, "Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote:
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:b3gar158ig6r6glmdacblnegofnvs5qm2d@4ax.com...
I watched 10 minutes of a show about the Bible Codes this week, and my
jaw dropped open at one point because I couldn't believe what I was
hearing.
Watched an entire hour of this unbelievable, wishful thinking garbage. What
really struck me was the gazillion-to-one odds which these bible thumpers
quoted on coming across some of these far-fetched matrixes, as if that
qualifies their authenticity. However, when it was pointed out that similar
results can be obtained in any published book (Moby ***** was one of the
examples), the matrixes discovered, using the same computer program, are
summarily dismissed by the thumpers as purely coincidental. Talk about
brain washing.
I really got a kick out of their happy facial expressions when they talked
about the Earth's predicted total destruction, at the waning of the end
days, in 2010 or 2012. It appeared that the commentators were actually
looking forward to that momentous event of global destruction.
Conclusion: Christians are sick puppies.
Here is a link to the Moby ***** postdictions:
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html
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satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "Just Mark" |
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30 Dec 2005 12:48:33 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:b3gar158ig6r6glmdacblnegofnvs5qm2d@4ax.com...
I watched 10 minutes of a show about the Bible Codes this week, and my
jaw dropped open at one point because I couldn't believe what I was
hearing.
Up to that point, people on the show had been saying how the codes
predicted things such as Hitler, assassinations, wars, etc. They were
claiming outright that the codes predicted those events thousands of
years ago when they were first written down.
Then, strangely, when asked how we can use the codes to predict our
own future, one of the code-believers said it probably couldn't be
done or is too unreliable.
This is a perfect example of how the code-believers backdate fulfilled
prophecies. They're perfectly willing to go back and look at some
prophecy, or even hidden codes in the texts, and say "ahah, look at
that, it was predicted way back then."
But when you ask them for future prophecies from the same book,
they clam up, and say it's unreliable. In another few years, however,
some crackpot will come along and claim that some current disaster was
actually predicted at the time you asked the first crackpot for a
prediction...
What causes the obsession many people have about wanting to see the
future so bad? Isn't surprise and the unknown a reason to get up in
the morning? To see what might happen next, for yourself?
The "Bible Codes" show I saw this week was a real gem. At the end, it
offered contradictory predictions within span of (maybe) 10 seconds.
1) In 2012, life on earth will be destroyed by a meteor impact
2) In 2012, life on earth will be spared by technology which thwarts an
impending meteor impact
So, in 2012, life on earth will be destroyed.....or
not....(shrug)...whatever flips yer pickle, I guess. Seems like
cold-reading gone amok, if'n ya ask me.
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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30 Dec 2005 10:10:22 AM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
What causes the obsession many people have about wanting to see the
future so bad?
Alas, the Bible is happy hunting ground for every religious nut, just as
Nostradamus serves for another group of the so inclined. Thus the Bible
repeatedly cautions, "Many false prophets will arise and lead many
astray." Matt 24.11 "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the
spirits to see whether they are of God; for many false prophets have
gone out into the world." 1 Jn 4.1
Isn't surprise and the unknown a reason to get up in
the morning? To see what might happen next, for yourself?
Good advice. Jesus agrees, "Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for
tomorrow will be anxious for itself." Matt 5.34
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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Denny
"There cannot be a God because, If there were one, I would
not believe that I were not He." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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30 Dec 2005 05:23:40 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:10:22 -0500, dgillesp <dgillesp@nospam.net>
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Alas, the Bible is happy hunting ground for every religious nut, just as
I do believe that this is a candidate for the TQOTM!
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Jan 2006 12:28:06 PM |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:53:40 +1030, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
Re: Bible Codes
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:10:22 -0500, dgillesp <dgillesp@nospam.net>
wrote:
/begin
Alas, the Bible is happy hunting ground for every religious nut
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I do believe that this is a candidate for the TQOTM!
Nominated by Michael Gray
Seconded by Stoney
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Sanitys little helper" |
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30 Dec 2005 10:32:30 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:10:22 -0500, dgillesp wrote:
Alas, the Bible is happy hunting ground for every religious nut,
Did Denny just say that?
:-)
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Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow, we eat, drink and be merry.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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30 Dec 2005 10:47:25 AM |
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"Sanity's little helper" <elvish@noshpam.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:10:22 -0500, dgillesp wrote:
Alas, the Bible is happy hunting ground for every religious nut,
Did Denny just say that?
Maybe. I just saw a pig fly by my window ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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31 Dec 2005 07:09:00 PM |
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Sanity's little helper <elvish@noshpam.net> wrote in message
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:10:22 -0500, dgillesp wrote:
Alas, the Bible is happy hunting ground for every religious nut,
Did Denny just say that?
Maybe. I just saw a pig fly by my window ;)
Did it fly out from his butt? Wait... I'm thinking of monkeys,
nevermind...
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Sanity's little helper <elvish@noshpam.net> wrote in message
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:10:22 -0500, dgillesp wrote:
Alas, the Bible is happy hunting ground for every religious nut,
Did Denny just say that?
Maybe. I just saw a pig fly by my window ;)
Did it fly out from his butt? Wait... I'm thinking of monkeys,
nevermind...
SNORT! :)
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31 Dec 2005 12:04:15 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Sanity's little helper" <elvish@noshpam.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:10:22 -0500, dgillesp wrote:
Alas, the Bible is happy hunting ground for every religious nut,
Did Denny just say that?
Maybe. I just saw a pig fly by my window ;)
Hum, I humbly ask that if, hum, there's any bacon floating around your
house, would you, hum, please send it to me. Hum. Please.
Humbly. Hum.
Thanks. (Just for inspection, of course, hum, yeah, that is...)
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Olrik
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Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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31 Dec 2005 02:34:21 PM |
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"Olrik" <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Sanity's little helper" <elvish@noshpam.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:10:22 -0500, dgillesp wrote:
Alas, the Bible is happy hunting ground for every religious nut,
Did Denny just say that?
Maybe. I just saw a pig fly by my window ;)
Hum, I humbly ask that if, hum, there's any bacon floating around your
house, would you, hum, please send it to me. Hum. Please.
Humbly. Hum.
Thanks. (Just for inspection, of course, hum, yeah, that is...)
Hate to break it to you, but the only bacon in this house is turkey bacon ;)
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31 Dec 2005 05:04:05 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Sanity's little helper" <elvish@noshpam.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:10:22 -0500, dgillesp wrote:
Alas, the Bible is happy hunting ground for every religious nut,
Did Denny just say that?
Maybe. I just saw a pig fly by my window ;)
Hum, I humbly ask that if, hum, there's any bacon floating around your
house, would you, hum, please send it to me. Hum. Please.
Humbly. Hum.
Thanks. (Just for inspection, of course, hum, yeah, that is...)
Hate to break it to you, but the only bacon in this house is turkey bacon ;)
Gasp! That's pure sacrilege! A culinary travesty of the highest
magnitude!
(Is it any good?)
:)
Olrik
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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30 Dec 2005 11:27:02 AM |
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Sanity's little helper wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:10:22 -0500, dgillesp wrote:
Alas, the Bible is happy hunting ground for every religious nut,
Did Denny just say that?
Sure, and he immeditately hunted up a few pertinent quotes to
demonstrate his point.
Jim
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30 Dec 2005 12:04:38 PM |
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dgillesp <dgillesp@nospam.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
What causes the obsession many people have about wanting to see
the future so bad?
Alas, the Bible is happy hunting ground for every religious nut, just as
Nostradamus serves for another group of the so inclined. Thus the Bible
repeatedly cautions, "Many false prophets will arise and lead many
astray." Matt 24.11 "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the
spirits to see whether they are of God; for many false prophets have
gone out into the world." 1 Jn 4.1
So the Bible is part or even the source of the problem, since it tells
people that invisible spirits really exist that can influence people
and their lives and futures. It also tells people that invisible
demons exist who try to corrupt your mind.
Why not dump all that superstitious spiritual crap down the sewer
where it belongs? Are you afraid to take complete responsibility for
your own life and actions, and actually require some invisible
external entities to explain your own behavior and feelings and
emotions?
Seriously. Don't you realize that some church has control over you
and your emotions? You're a slave to it, and seem to be proud of it
instead of being ashamed for being so gullible and naive to have
fallen for the whole pack of lies which makes up your religion and
church.
Isn't surprise and the unknown a reason to get up in
the morning? To see what might happen next, for yourself?
Good advice. Jesus agrees, "Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for
tomorrow will be anxious for itself." Matt 5.34
Most people I know, Christians included, have trouble with that idea.
It undermines the whole philosophy of planning for the future,
including planning for natural disasters and saving for rainy days or
hard times or even individual retirement.
"Sell all your stuff, join our commune, because the end is near," is
what Jesus and Paul and other cult leaders told people 2000 years ago,
but the end hasn't come, has it? Same thing with recent suicide cults
like those in Waco and the Heaven's Gate people. They were wrong, and
so will every other prophet or doomsaying cult like them be wrong as
well..
If you believe in fortune tellers, prophets, psychics, or any other
people who tell you they can predict the future or speak to dead
people, or cleans your sins, then you should step back and feel
embarrassed bigtime, swallowing your pride of ignorance, and step
into the enlightened part of the rational world. Think about it!
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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30 Dec 2005 01:33:11 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
dgillesp <dgillesp@nospam.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
What causes the obsession many people have about wanting to see
the future so bad?
Alas, the Bible is happy hunting ground for every religious nut, just as
Nostradamus serves for another group of the so inclined. Thus the Bible
repeatedly cautions, "Many false prophets will arise and lead many
astray." Matt 24.11 "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the
spirits to see whether they are of God; for many false prophets have
gone out into the world." 1 Jn 4.1
So the Bible is part or even the source of the problem, since it tells
people that invisible spirits really exist that can influence people
and their lives and futures. It also tells people that invisible
demons exist who try to corrupt your mind.
So all references to "spirit" in the Bible have to with some separate
invisible entity rather than one's own attitude and disposition?
Why not dump all that superstitious spiritual crap down the sewer
where it belongs?
Does that include the "spirit of gentleness" (1 Cor 4.21) or the "spirit
of wisdom" (Eph 1.17) or the "spirit of power and love and self-control"
(2 Tim 1.7) or perhaps "if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you ...
should restore him in a spirit of gentleness" (Gal 6.1)?
Are you afraid to take complete responsibility for
your own life and actions, and actually require some invisible
external entities to explain your own behavior and feelings and
emotions?
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each
one may receive good or evil, according to what he has done in the
body." 2 Cor 5.10
"each of us shall give account of himself to God." Rom 14.12
Seriously. Don't you realize that some church has control over you
and your emotions? You're a slave to it, and seem to be proud of it
instead of being ashamed for being so gullible and naive to have
fallen for the whole pack of lies which makes up your religion and
church.
Well, my goodness gracious me! You certainly seem to know an awful lot
about me and my emotions, and any gullibility or naivete, and that
without ever having met or known me personally. Are you psychic? I'm
sure you're not guilty as the old saying goes, "The only exercise some
people get is jumping to conclusions, running down other people and
pushing their luck!"
Isn't surprise and the unknown a reason to get up in
the morning? To see what might happen next, for yourself?
Good advice. Jesus agrees, "Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for
tomorrow will be anxious for itself." Matt 5.34
Most people I know, Christians included, have trouble with that idea.
It undermines the whole philosophy of planning for the future,
including planning for natural disasters and saving for rainy days or
hard times or even individual retirement.
"Sell all your stuff, join our commune, because the end is near," is
what Jesus and Paul and other cult leaders told people 2000 years ago,
but the end hasn't come, has it? Same thing with recent suicide cults
like those in Waco and the Heaven's Gate people. They were wrong, and
so will every other prophet or doomsaying cult like them be wrong as
well..
If you believe in fortune tellers, prophets, psychics, or any other
people who tell you they can predict the future or speak to dead
people, or cleans your sins, then you should step back and feel
embarrassed bigtime, swallowing your pride of ignorance, and step
into the enlightened part of the rational world. Think about it!
My, my what a fuss to make over a point that I happen to be in agreement
with.
--
Denny
"In the first half of life winning is very important ('the character
lie' - Ernest Becker). Most problems are psychological; most solutions
are spiritual. The burden of the second half of life is often the
reclaiming of what we have denied, feared and rejected." - Richard Rohr
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