On 03 Dec 2003, "martin" <martin_nospam@btinternet.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
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"Mekkala" <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message
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On 01 Dec 2003, "derng" <derng@hotmail.com> screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
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At one point I had over 1000 verses committed word-for-word to

memory.

I'm sure I've forgotten many, but... who the ***** are you to assume

we

haven't "studied the bible and attended services"? Why do you people
always assume that the only reason we don't fully agree with you is

that

we just haven't had the inside exposure you have, that somehow our
unbelief is a symptom of our ignorance, and not related to logic or
rational considerations at all?

trivial

where and how did Judas die?

So, tell us all.

Do you have an explanation, or is the bible errant? And stop waffling

LOL I'm an atheist... I think you've got me confused with "derng". I
was bitching at him for assuming that the atheists here aren't well-
versed in his religion.

"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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derng wrote:

Honestly, maybe I am just a fucking moron but it really doesn't mean
anything to me AT ALL. I appreciate that you are locked onto that issue

like

a mentally challenged person who 'just can't get past it', but really,

I'm

just not the one to help you with that any more. There are plenty of

other

questions to wonder and worry about. Put that one on a back shelf and
revisit it another time.

WOW what a cop out!

Better to say you have some doubts about the whole christianity thing

then!

"martin" <martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"derng" <derng@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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God, and those he inspired to write the Bible assume that he is

talking

to

someone who is a living creature capable of basic understanding and
reasoning. If you can't figure out that a rope or some similar

object is

used for a hanging, well what more is there to say?

absolutly. And if you believe in biblical inerrancy, then Judas died

by

hanging. errrr and tumbling.

I know you'd like to get away from the subject, but I am not going to

until

you stop hedging the subject and damn well answer the question. How

did

Judas die? Was it by hanging, or taking a tumble?

If the bible is inerrant there IS a contradiction. This is not just a

minor

issue, this was the man who allegedly betrayed Jesus to his death,

what

happened to that man must be recorded.

I just can't read "derng"'s posts without them sounding like a sissy faggoty
kind of whine (not that there's anything wrong with that!). He / it just has
this sort of "well, Jesus likes pink because it's a fabulous color" kind of
way of talking that I'm unable to duplicate.
Uuuuhhh...I hope I'm not duplicating. No really. I don't sound like THAT, do
I?!

-ArWeGoddess

"derng" <derng@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I'm not conceding your point but for the sake of argument, all language is
limited in it's ability to communicate and the bible has been translated.

So, is the bible (god's so-called word) correct or not? It's a very simple
question. Is there errancy? Did Judas hang, or tumble? You cannot say he
died twice unless he was risen from the dead to have another go, and THAT
would have been mentioned for sure.

Come on, stop sitting on the fence and tell me. How did Judas die? Is the
bible errant? By your own word you are accepting errancy. He died by hanging
AND by falling. One or other has to be wrong.

The only thing that you should really be concerned about is whether or not
you get the 'big picture' and have a relationship with God through his son
Jesus who died for your sins.

I hope he didn't for mine! That would be a shocking thing to ask of anyone,
I would rather stand up and face penalties in my own right, not through any
person or mythical being. What a terrible thing to impose on someone elses
conscience. Not me, if I do wrong, and I have, I admit it.

NO one has ever lived who can demand entry
into Heaven since they somehow 'followed' all the laws in the Bible or any
other book. That is the point. You are only being a ***** getting all

balled

up in some technicalities instead of seeing the bigger picture.

technicalities? Either the bible is errant or not. Can you answer whether it
is or no? I know you won't, because you cannot say it's errant and keep your
faith, and cannot say it isn't in the face of two contradicotr statements.
It's simple. Did Judas die by hanging or tumbling? Either shows errancy.
This not just a technicality, it's a written statement.

God won't
argue with you and that will be your eternal loss.

Not my loss, I can live with myself without needing to rely on some mythical
being to give me justification, knowing I do the best I can to go through
life causing least harm and expecting no reward. Can you say the same thing?

Why do you do what is the right thing? Is it just fear?

Maybe from your
standpoint the question is, is it better to be "right" and in Hell or just
accept the message for what it is and go to Heaven?

neither, to the least harm to other people, I do not expect or accept that
someone had to die for me, that is a terrible reason to do what I feel is
right.

Trust me no one in Hell
is going to give a ***** that you pointed out to God that he made some

minor

"mistake" in the bible.

So you say. He might be gratefull I pointed out the error to everone. I know
I am when I write a technical document and make a foobar. I WANT people to
point out the error so it gets corrected, I am sure your so-called god (if
s/h/it exists) would want the same thing.

What gives you the right to pre-judge me for pointing out an error?

Roger Pearse writes:

Ps: the real God doesn't worry about such childishness.

Now, see, the deal here is that "God doesn't worry about such childishness"
fits in very nicely as a subset of "God doesn't worry about anything," which
itself could be a subset of "Things that imaginary people can't do, namely,
everything." Everyone knows that is the real issue, Mr. Pearse, including
yourself.

After all, it only injures the brain-dead.

"Things that people might say when they can't do the prayer magic their
Bible says they can do, and they want to blame somebody else."