Religions > Atheism > Bible quote of the day for Aug 1 (This night your soul is required of you)
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31 Jul 2004 10:51:10 PM |
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Bible quote of the day for Aug 1 (This night your soul is required of you) |
Luke 12:13-21
13 One of the multitude said to him, "Teacher, bid my brother divide
the inheritance with me." 14 But he said to him, "Man, who made me a
judge or divider over you?" 15 And he said to them, "Take heed, and
beware of all covetousness; for a man's life does not consist in the
abundance of his possessions." 16 And he told them a parable, saying,
"The land of a rich man brought forth plentifully; 17 and he thought
to himself, `What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?'
18 And he said, `I will do this: I will pull down my barns, and build
larger ones; and there I will store all my grain and my goods. 19 And
I will say to my soul, Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many
years; take your ease, eat, drink, be merry.' 20 But God said to him,
`Fool! This night your soul is required of you; and the things you
have prepared, whose will they be?' 21 So is he who lays up treasure
for himself, and is not rich toward God."
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Many christians look at this passage-- and others in the gospels-- and
conclude that Jesus did not say that the rich cannot enter the
kingdom. Jesus said it would be difficult, but he did not say it
would be impossible. In this way, many justify their own pursuit and
accumulation of earthly wealth. For example, here he admonishes those
who lay up treasure for themselves, but are not rich towards God. One
might conclude that if you are rich towards god, irrespective of your
treasure, you are still doing right.
I think one would have to have their head in the sand to not recognize
the powerful, and stern, warnings that Jesus gives us regarding the
influence of money and material possessions on our lives. It is not a
positive effect. These are things that can only get in the way of our
spiritual development, and in the plan that God has for us. We are not
here to make money.
Notice he does not except those who make a lot of money, but then give
some to the poor, or to the church. No exceptions are made. Not for
the lawyer, the doctor, or the preacher. We are drawn inevitably to
the conclusion that the pursuit and accumulation of earthly wealth is
not a good thing. It can only have a negative, and potentially
disastrous, effect on our lives. If your land gives forth to you
plentifully, share abundantly while you can. You know not when your
hour will come.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Bible quote of the day for Aug 1 (This night your soul is required of you) |
01 Aug 2004 10:20:51 AM |
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"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
news:pgoog05cmogvrts6dh7icpo1g1bismcagk@4ax.com...
Luke 12:13-21
13 One of the multitude said to him, "Teacher, bid my brother divide
the inheritance with me." 14 But he said to him, "Man, who made me a
judge or divider over you?" 15 And he said to them, "Take heed, and
beware of all covetousness; for a man's life does not consist in the
abundance of his possessions." 16 And he told them a parable, saying,
"The land of a rich man brought forth plentifully; 17 and he thought
to himself, `What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?'
18 And he said, `I will do this: I will pull down my barns, and build
larger ones; and there I will store all my grain and my goods. 19 And
I will say to my soul, Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many
years; take your ease, eat, drink, be merry.' 20 But God said to him,
`Fool! This night your soul is required of you; and the things you
have prepared, whose will they be?' 21 So is he who lays up treasure
for himself, and is not rich toward God."
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Many christians look at this passage-- and others in the gospels-- and
conclude that Jesus did not say that the rich cannot enter the
kingdom. Jesus said it would be difficult, but he did not say it
would be impossible. In this way, many justify their own pursuit and
accumulation of earthly wealth. For example, here he admonishes those
who lay up treasure for themselves, but are not rich towards God. One
might conclude that if you are rich towards god, irrespective of your
treasure, you are still doing right.
I think one would have to have their head in the sand to not recognize
the powerful, and stern, warnings that Jesus gives us regarding the
influence of money and material possessions on our lives. It is not a
positive effect. These are things that can only get in the way of our
spiritual development, and in the plan that God has for us. We are not
here to make money.
Notice he does not except those who make a lot of money, but then give
some to the poor, or to the church. No exceptions are made. Not for
the lawyer, the doctor, or the preacher. We are drawn inevitably to
the conclusion that the pursuit and accumulation of earthly wealth is
not a good thing. It can only have a negative, and potentially
disastrous, effect on our lives. If your land gives forth to you
plentifully, share abundantly while you can. You know not when your
hour will come.
So, are you dressed in rags and posting from a library computer? No? Then
you're a fucking hypocrite.
Gee, what's the dollar value we're all supposed to stay under so as not to
be rich, or preceived by the god as pursuing material wealth? Come on, state
it out flatly.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "walksalone" |
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01 Aug 2004 06:34:44 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 03:51:10 GMT, homer wrote:
Hello Homer, still confused about where your pabulum is supposed to go I see.
Tell you what, since you are incapable of playing nice, how about I give your home group a sacred writing a day, for comparison.
From the seven creation tablets. Don't worry, no one expects you to know about then.
Now, I could take every line & hold a discourser on it like you pretend to. & unlike you, it would be my thoughts & not barfed pabulum. But I won't. Unlike you, I can show courtesy to the groups you are dumping off topic & unwelcome trash into..
1. When in the height heaven was not named,
2. And the earth beneath did not yet bear a name,
3. And the primeval Apsū, who begat them,
4. And chaos, Tiamat, the mother of them both,--
5. Their waters were mingled together,
6. And no field was formed, no marsh was to be seen;
7. When of the gods none had been called into being,
8. And none bore a name, and no destinies [were ordained];
9. Then were created the gods in the midst of [heaven],
p. 5
10. Lahmu and Lahamu were called into being [...].
11. Ages increased, [...],
12. Then Anshar and Kishar were created, and over them [...].
13. Long were the days, then there came forth [...]
14. Anu, their son, [...]
15. Anshar and Anu [...]
16. And the god Anu [...]
17. Nudimmud, whom his fathers [his] begetters [...]
18. Abounding in all wisdom, [...]
19. He was exceeding strong [...]
20. He had no rival [...]
21. (Thus) were established and [were ... the great gods (?)].
p. 7
22 . But T[iamat and Āpsū] were (still) in confusion [...],
23. They were troubled and [...]
24. In disorder(?) ... [...]
26. And Tiamat roared [...]
25. Apsū was not diminished in might [...]
27. She smote, and their deeds [...]
28. Their way was evil ... [...] ...
29. Then Apsū, the begetter of the great gods,
30. Cried unto Mummu, his minister, and said unto him:
31. "O Mummu, thou minister that rejoicest my spirit,
32. "Come, unto Tiamat let us [go]!"
33. So they went and before Tiamat they lay down,
34. They consulted on a plan with regard to the gods [their sons].
35. Apsū opened his mouth [and spake],
p. 9
36. And unto Tiamat, the glistening one, he addressed [the word]:
37. "[...] their way [...],
38. "By day I cannot rest, by night [I cannot lie down (in peace)].
39. "But I will destroy their way, I will [...],
40. "Let there be lamentation, and let us lie down (again in peace)."
41. When Tiamat [heard] these words,
42. She raged and cried aloud [...].
43. [She ...] grievously [...],
44. She uttered a curse, and unto [Apsū she spake]:
45. "What then shall we [do]?
46. "Let their way be made difficult, and let us [lie down (again) in peace]."
47. Mummu answered, and gave counsel unto Apsū,
48. [...] and hostile (to the gods) was the counsel Mu[mmu gave]:
p. 11
49. "Come, their way is strong, but thou shalt destroy [it];
50. "Then by day shalt thou have rest, by night shalt thou lie down (in peace)."
51. Apsū [hearkened unto] him and his countenance grew bright,
52. [Since] he (i.e. Mummu) planned evil against the gods his sons.
53. [...] he was afraid [...],
54. His knees [became weak(?)], they gave way beneath him,
55. [Because of the evil] which their first-born had planned.
56. [...] their [...] they altered(?).
58. Lamentation [...] they sat in [sorrow] '
57. [...] they [...],
59. [...]
p. 13
60. Then Ea, who knoweth all that [is], went up and he beheld their muttering.
61. [...]
62. [...] ... his pure incantation
63. [...] ... [...]
64. [...]
65. [...] misery
66. [...]
67. [...]
[Lines 68-82 are wanting.]
83. [...]
84 [...] ...
85. [...] the god Anu,
86. [... an aven]ger.
87. [...]
88. [...] and he shall confound Tiamat.
89. [...] he ...
90. [...] for ever.
91. [...] the evil,
p. 15
92. [...] ... he spake:
93. "[...] thy [...] he hath conquered and
94. " [...] he [weepeth] and sitteth in tribulation(?).
95. "[...] of fear,
96. "[...] we shall not lie down (in peace).
97. "[...] Apsū is laid waste(?),
98. "[...] and Mummu, who were taken captive, in [...]
99. "[...] thou didst, ...
100. "[...] let us lie down (in peace).
101. "[...] ... they will smite (?) [...].
102. " [...] let us lie down (in peace).
103. "[...] thou shalt take vengeance for them,
104. "[...]unto the tempest shalt thou [...]!"
105. [And Tiamat hearkened unto] the word of the bright god, (and said):
p. 17
106. "[...] shalt thou entrust! let us wage [war]!"
107. [...] the gods in the midst of [...]
108. [...] for the gods did she create.'
109. [They banded themselves together and] at the side of Tiamat [they] advanced;
110. [They were furious, they devised mischief without resting] night and [day].
111. [They prepared for battle], fuming and raging;
112. [They joined their forces] and made war.
113. [Ummu-Hubu]r, who formed all things,
114. [Made in addition] weapons invincible, she spawned monster-serpents,
115. [Sharp of] tooth, and merciless of fang;
116. [With poison instead of] blood she filled [their] bodies.
117. Fierce [monster-vipers] she clothed with terror,
118. [With splendour] she decked them, [she made them] of lofty stature.
119. [Whoever beheld] them, terror overcame him,
120. Their bodies reared up and none could withstand [their attack].
p. 19
121. [She set] up vipers, and dragons, and the (monster) [Lahamu],
122. [And hurricanes], and raging hounds, and scorpion-men,
123. And mighty [tempests], and fish-men, and[rams];
124. [They bore] cruel weapons, without fear of [the fight].
125. Her commands [were mighty], [none] could resist them;
126. After this fashion, huge of stature, [she made] eleven (monsters).
127. Among the gods who were her sons, inasmuch as he had given [her support],
128. She exalted Kingu; in their midst [she raised] him [to power].
129. To march before the forces, to lead [the host],
130. To give the battle-signal, to advance to the attack,
p. 21
131. To direct the battle, to control the fight,
132. Unto him she entrusted; in [costly raiment] she made him sit, (saying):
133. "I have uttered thy spell, in the assembly of the gods I have raised thee to power.
134. "The dominion over all the gods [have I entrusted unto him].
135. "Be thou exalted, thou my chosen spouse,
136. "May they magnify thy name over all [of them ... the Anunnaki]."
137. She gave him the Tablets of Destiny, on [his] breast she laid them, (saying):
138. "Thy command shall not be without avail, and[the word of thy mouth shall be established]."
139. Now Kingu, (thus) exalted, having received [the power of Anu],
140. [Decreed] the fate among the gods his sons, (saying):
141. "Let the opening of your mouth [quench] the Fire-god;
142. "Whoso is exalted in the battle, let him [display (his) might]!" purposes to your myth.
Would you like to start with a passage from the qu'ran a day. The Upinshads, the R'g veda/
Poor boy, your myth really has a lot of bellowing going on in its grimorie, but nowhere near the quantity that is available to the remainder of the world.
Luke 12:13-21
snip
walksalone who has no problem playing Homer's game, but unlike Homer, has the ability to discuss the topics from his own POV & not that of others only.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; Give him a
religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish
Author unkown
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re:Silly Bible quote of the day for Aug 1 (This night your soul isrequired of you) |
01 Aug 2004 01:00:51 AM |
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homer wrote:
Luke 12:13-21
13 One of the multitude said to him....
How do you know? Luke wasn't there.
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David V.
UDP for WebTV
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re:Silly Bible quote of the day for Aug 1 (This night your soul is required of you) |
01 Aug 2004 02:02:10 PM |
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On 1-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
How do you know? Luke wasn't there.
No, but his sources were eyewitnesses.
H.
Hey, wait a minute... Have I been here before?
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| User: "David V." |
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02 Aug 2004 01:05:35 AM |
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wrote:
On 1-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
How do you know? Luke wasn't there.
No, but his sources were eyewitnesses.
No they weren't. The author of "Luke" had no sources. They
don't even have the real name of the author so how the hell
can you claim he had eyewitness sources? Oh, I know; by
lying. Hey... haven't we been here before?
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David V.
UDP for WebTV
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| User: "John Kelley" |
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02 Aug 2004 08:16:07 PM |
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"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<HaOdndINMKYyRJDcRVn-vw@sti.net>...
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca wrote:
On 1-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
How do you know? Luke wasn't there.
No, but his sources were eyewitnesses.
No they weren't. The author of "Luke" had no sources. They
don't even have the real name of the author so how the hell
can you claim he had eyewitness sources?
By reading the first few paragraphs of his book,where he
clearly explains it.
more on Luke:
http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_02_02_02_LK.html
Oh, I know; by
lying. Hey... haven't we been here before?
When you accuse someone of lying,
the burden of proof is on YOU.
Oh,I forgot,logical fallacies are only
fallacies when theists use them. My bad.
Standard. Standard.
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: Silly Bible quote of the day for Aug 1 (This night your soulis required of you) |
03 Aug 2004 01:38:12 AM |
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John Kelley wrote:
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca wrote:
On 1-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
How do you know? Luke wasn't there.
No, but his sources were eyewitnesses.
No they weren't. The author of "Luke" had no sources.
They don't even have the real name of the author so how
the hell can you claim he had eyewitness sources?
By reading the first few paragraphs of his book,where he
clearly explains it.
And you actually believe that nonsense?
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David V.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Silly Bible quote of the day for Aug 1 (This night your soul is required of you) |
03 Aug 2004 09:31:04 AM |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:16:07 -0700 in episode
<ce9e95d1.0408021716.a6abe59@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
jkelley@zoomnet.net (John Kelley):
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<HaOdndINMKYyRJDcRVn-vw@sti.net>...
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca wrote:
On 1-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
How do you know? Luke wasn't there.
No, but his sources were eyewitnesses.
No they weren't. The author of "Luke" had no sources. They don't even
have the real name of the author so how the hell can you claim he had
eyewitness sources?
By reading the first few paragraphs of his book,where he clearly explains
it.
And we're just supposed to believe this? Why? Because he wrote it down? I
can do that. I write things down all the time. Lots of people write things
down. Some people even make their money writing down things that never
happened. Weird huh?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Silly Bible quote of the day for Aug 1 (This night your soul is required of you) |
02 Aug 2004 03:33:06 PM |
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On 2-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
No, but his sources were eyewitnesses.
No they weren't. The author of "Luke" had no sources. They
don't even have the real name of the author so how the hell
can you claim he had eyewitness sources? Oh, I know; by
lying. Hey... haven't we been here before?
If not for the double standard that exists when discussing the history of
Christianity, I might mention that St. Luke appears many times in St. Paul's
epistles, or that it's obvious to any scholar that the Gospel of Luke and
the Acts are by the same author, who was a physician (as St. Luke was), or
that St. Jerome, Eusebius, Origen, St. Justin, Tertullian, St. Irenęus and
Clement (who says the principal sources were Sts. Peter and James) all
concur, or that a pagan named Celsus who attacked the Christian faith, says
in his writing that St. Luke wrote the gospel, or that the heretics who were
common in the 2nd century accepted it's authority as well, or the extemsive
forensic evidence, or in other words there's more evidence to prove that St.
Luke wrote the gospel with his name, than for some other writers of the
modern age...
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: Silly Bible quote of the day for Aug 1 (This night your soulis required of you) |
03 Aug 2004 01:37:08 AM |
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wrote:
On 2-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
No, but his sources were eyewitnesses.
No they weren't. The author of "Luke" had no sources.
They don't even have the real name of the author so how
the hell can you claim he had eyewitness sources? Oh, I
know; by lying. Hey... haven't we been here before?
If not for the double standard that exists when
discussing the history of Christianity...
Your "double standard" is just another christian lie. Can't
you post anything without lying?
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David V.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Silly Bible quote of the day for Aug 1 (This night your soul is required of you) |
03 Aug 2004 09:32:10 AM |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:33:06 +0000 in episode
<RJednb8zva9kOZPcRVn-pw@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
If not for the double standard that exists when discussing the history of
Christianity
No, you're complaining about the ordinary standards being applied instead
of allowing special pleading...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Silly Bible quote of the day for Aug 1 (This night your soul is required of you) |
02 Aug 2004 05:41:13 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 23:00:51 -0700, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
homer wrote:
Luke 12:13-21
13 One of the multitude said to him....
How do you know? Luke wasn't there.
How do you know he wan't there - somebody saying that to him does not mean he wasn't
there.
duke
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Matthew 11
28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened,
and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you
and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in
heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: Silly Bible quote of the day for Aug 1 (This night your soulis required of you) |
02 Aug 2004 11:12:59 AM |
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duke wrote:
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
homer wrote:
Luke 12:13-21
13 One of the multitude said to him....
How do you know? Luke wasn't there.
How do you know he wan't there...
Bible scholars say so. It's obvious you're not a scholar of
any kind.
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David V.
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