Religions > Atheism > Bible quote of the Day for Aug 17 (many that are first will be last, and the last first)
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21 Aug 2004 11:56:08 AM |
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Bible quote of the Day for Aug 17 (many that are first will be last, and the last first) |
Matthew 19:23-30
23 And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be
hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell
you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than
for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 25 When the disciples
heard this they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be
saved?" 26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this
is impossible, but with God all things are possible." 27 Then Peter
said in reply, "Lo, we have left everything and followed you. What
then shall we have?" 28 Jesus said to them, "Truly, I say to you, in
the new world, when the Son of man shall sit on his glorious throne,
you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the
twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And every one who has left houses or
brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my
name's sake, will receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. 30
But many that are first will be last, and the last first.
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At the time people actually thought that the rich and privileged were
the closest to God. Well of course. All of the earthly wealth and good
things in their lives must be blessings from God. The poor, the lame,
the lepers, the blind-- they were the sinners.
But Jesus here surprises his followers and tells them that the rich
will find it hard to enter the kingdom. The disciples are "astonished"
by this and ask him, well then who can be saved? If not those who are
closest to God, then who? Jesus almost seems exasperated, and says
with God all things are possible.
Yet many of us still think this way. We think that when bad things
happen in our lives we are being punished, and when good things happen
we are being rewarded. But Jesus clearly refutes that here. The good
things have their place, but the bad things as well.
Difficult times can make us better people. When we go through
difficulty we can become more in tune with our spirits, closer to God,
with stronger and more compassionate spiritual hearts. Do not hate
your struggle, turn to Jesus and learn from him, you will find rest
for your soul, and you will go from last to first.
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21 Aug 2004 12:52:12 PM |
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"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
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Matthew 19:23-30
23 And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be
hard for bigots and TV preachers to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again
I tell
you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than
for a gay-bashing Republican to enter the kingdom of God." 25 When the
disciples
heard this they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then shall the
people listen to?" 26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With PBS,
all things are possible." 27 Then Peter
said in reply, "Lo, we have cast asunder our radios and televisions. What
then shall we do?" 28 Jesus said to them, "Truly, I say to you, in
the new world, when the Son of man shall broadcast from his glorious
porcelin throne,
you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, flushed with
money and MLM success. 29 And every one who has left televisions or radios
or internet connections, for my
name's sake, will receive a hundredfold, and inherit their own broadcast
studio. 30
But many that are late will be early, and the fat skinny.
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At the time people actually thought that the TV preachers and Republicans
were
the closest to God. Well of course. All of the earthly wealth and good
things in their lives must be blessings from God. The poor, the lame,
the lepers, the blind-- they were the sinners.
But Jesus here surprises his followers and tells them that the
Conservative Republicans
will find it hard to enter the kingdom. The disciples are "astonished"
by this and ask him, well then who can be saved? If not those who are
closest to God, then who? Jesus almost seems exasperated, and says
with PBS all things are possible.
Yet many of us still think this way. We think that when bad things
happen in our lives we are being punished, and when good things happen
we are being rewarded. But Jesus clearly refutes that here. The good
things have their place, but the bad things as well.
Difficult times can make us better people. When we go through
difficulty we can become more in tune with our bankers, closer to welfare
programs,
with stronger and more liberal hearts. Do not hate
your struggle, turn to PBS and learn from them, you will find food
for your intellect, and you will go from last to first.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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21 Aug 2004 01:10:16 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:56:08 GMT, homer <xxx@xxx.com> wrote:
Matthew 19:23-30
23 And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be
hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
A completely stupid, anti-life, ignorant statement. Another
impossible requirement demanded by a psychotic myth.
The sad fact is that superstitions are among the richest
institutions in the world. Even in poor countries.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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21 Aug 2004 05:46:04 PM |
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On 21-Aug-2004, Steve Knight <whooly@sonic.net> wrote:
23 And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be
hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
A completely stupid, anti-life, ignorant statement. Another
impossible requirement demanded by a psychotic myth.
Perhaps, but it makes sense to me (but I'm psychotic, so go figure). The
necessary requirements for becoming 'rich' in material wealth are contrary
to getting oneself into Heaven. Avarice, gluttony, vanity, even envy. See?
Jesus knew what he was talking about.
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| User: "bob young" |
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21 Aug 2004 09:57:02 PM |
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wrote:
On 21-Aug-2004, Steve Knight <whooly@sonic.net> wrote:
23 And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be
hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
A completely stupid, anti-life, ignorant statement. Another
impossible requirement demanded by a psychotic myth.
Perhaps, but it makes sense to me (but I'm psychotic, so go figure). The
necessary requirements for becoming 'rich' in material wealth are contrary
to getting oneself into Heaven. Avarice, gluttony, vanity, even envy. See?
Jesus knew what he was talking about.
there is no heaven, no hell, no gods, other than in the minds of simple man
bob
hong kong
Our revels now are ended. These our actors As I foretold you, were all
spirits and Are melted into air, into thin air: And, like the baseless
fabric of this vision, The cloud-capp'd tow'rs, the gorgeous palaces,
The solemn temples, the great globe itself, Yea, all which it inherit,
shall dissolve And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, Leave not a
rack behind. We are such stuff As dreams are made on, and our little
life Is rounded with a sleep.
[William Shakespeare, The Tempest]
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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22 Aug 2004 07:28:21 AM |
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:46:04 GMT, wrote:
On 21-Aug-2004, Steve Knight <whooly@sonic.net> wrote:
23 And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be
hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
A completely stupid, anti-life, ignorant statement. Another
impossible requirement demanded by a psychotic myth.
Perhaps, but it makes sense to me (but I'm psychotic, so go figure). The
necessary requirements for becoming 'rich' in material wealth are contrary
to getting oneself into Heaven. Avarice, gluttony, vanity, even envy. See?
Jesus knew what he was talking about.
Telling people they should be feet washing beggars so they can go
to heaven is crap. Your bible is a text book on lowering self esteem.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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22 Aug 2004 02:56:36 PM |
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On 22-Aug-2004, Steve Knight <whooly@sonic.net> wrote:
A completely stupid, anti-life, ignorant statement. Another
impossible requirement demanded by a psychotic myth.
Perhaps, but it makes sense to me (but I'm psychotic, so go figure). The
necessary requirements for becoming 'rich' in material wealth are
contrary
to getting oneself into Heaven. Avarice, gluttony, vanity, even envy.
See?
Jesus knew what he was talking about.
Telling people they should be feet washing beggars so they can go
to heaven is crap. Your bible is a text book on lowering self esteem.
Not lowering self esteem, but teaching humility. When one stoops to help the
lowest amongst us, and puts them ahead of himself, he will see through the
charade of materialism and vanity, and know what is truly valuable.
Cap. H. Betcha
7th Jesus Freaks
Bleater Brigade
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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24 Aug 2004 07:33:35 PM |
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wrote:
On 22-Aug-2004, Steve Knight <whooly@sonic.net> wrote:
A completely stupid, anti-life, ignorant statement. Another
impossible requirement demanded by a psychotic myth.
Perhaps, but it makes sense to me (but I'm psychotic, so go figure). The
necessary requirements for becoming 'rich' in material wealth are
contrary
to getting oneself into Heaven. Avarice, gluttony, vanity, even envy.
See?
Jesus knew what he was talking about.
Telling people they should be feet washing beggars so they can go
to heaven is crap. Your bible is a text book on lowering self esteem.
Not lowering self esteem, but teaching humility. When one stoops to help the
lowest amongst us, and puts them ahead of himself, he will see through the
charade of materialism and vanity, and know what is truly valuable.
Like waiting for a handout from God....
Paul
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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22 Aug 2004 05:43:34 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:56:36 GMT, wrote:
On 22-Aug-2004, Steve Knight <whooly@sonic.net> wrote:
A completely stupid, anti-life, ignorant statement. Another
impossible requirement demanded by a psychotic myth.
Perhaps, but it makes sense to me (but I'm psychotic, so go figure). The
necessary requirements for becoming 'rich' in material wealth are
contrary
to getting oneself into Heaven. Avarice, gluttony, vanity, even envy.
See?
Jesus knew what he was talking about.
Telling people they should be feet washing beggars so they can go
to heaven is crap. Your bible is a text book on lowering self esteem.
Not lowering self esteem, but teaching humility. When one stoops to help the
lowest amongst us, and puts them ahead of himself, he will see through the
charade of materialism and vanity, and know what is truly valuable.
HA HA HA HA HA!
What garbage.
Knowing the definition of humility, agreeing with it and actually
being it are two different things.
Superstition doesn't do anything for the 'lowest amongst us'.
(Except to keep them 'lowest')
What's wrong with materialism and pride?
The whole world runs on it. If it was so inherently destructive to
our species, why have we been doing it for a million years? The fabric
of our civilizations have been built on it.
Then along come the Johnny Come Lately christian, the life hating,
anti-human, we're better off dead religion that says we're all *****
and need to be 'saved' from being human. Oh.. and by the way, here's
how you can do it..... (insert mind death dogma here_____________)
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
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| User: "AnotherObserver®" |
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21 Aug 2004 03:25:04 PM |
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Steve Knight <whooly@sonic.net> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:56:08 GMT, homer <xxx@xxx.com> wrote:
Matthew 19:23-30
23 And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be
hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
A completely stupid, anti-life, ignorant statement. Another
impossible requirement demanded by a psychotic myth.
The sad fact is that superstitions are among the richest
institutions in the world. Even in poor countries.
Of course, with doctrine like that above, what else can be expected?
--
Davidwd
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irreligionist
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| User: "bob young" |
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21 Aug 2004 09:54:18 PM |
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Steve Knight wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:56:08 GMT, homer <xxx@xxx.com> wrote:
Matthew 19:23-30
23 And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be
hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
A completely stupid, anti-life, ignorant statement. Another
impossible requirement demanded by a psychotic myth.
The sad fact is that superstitions are among the richest
institutions in the world. Even in poor countries.
Man is an aggrarious animal and has been from his early roots, hard to
change him. superstition bolsters his ego, gives him power and
maintains the group feeling. trouble is he will kill others in the name
of his imaginary gods and these dreamed up powerful myths will one day
bring about the end of humanity and then there will be no more gods.
bob
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "walksalone" |
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21 Aug 2004 07:36:37 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:56:08 GMT, homer wrote:
Oh dear, still playing silly buggers then Homer. Fair enough then. Here,
try some history that not only predates yours, but is a fair chance of
being the basis of you big ten to a fair degree & then some. But then,
these folks had to say these things to real gods, or else lose all chance
at resurrection then & there. & those gods did not tolerate liars, so they
had only one chance to get it right. Bad enough that, but then they were
down to the Hall of Two Truths for to take the ultimate chance, for if the
evil in their heart outweigh=ed a feather, just one feather, from the head
dress of Ma'at, Anibus ate their heart & there was no chance at
resurrection, ever.
Care to gamble on being that decent a person, best think twice because I
don't think you are.
From the Papyrus of Nebseni, one of several
Hail, Usekh-nemmt, who comest forth from Anu, I have not committed evil.
Hail, Hept-Shet, who comest forth from Kher-aha, I have not robbed with
violence.
Hail, Fenti, who comest forth from Khemenu, I have done no violence.
Hail, Am-khaibitu, who comest forth from Qerrt, I have not stolen.
Hail, Neha-hau, who comest forth from Rasta, I have not slain men.
Hail, Ruruti, who comest forth from heaven, I have not made light the
bushel.
Hail, Arti-f-em-tes, who comest forth from Sekhem, I have not acted
deceitfully.
Hail, Neba, who comest and goest, I have not stolen the property of the
god.
Hail, Set-qesu, who comest forth from Hensu, I have not told lies.
Hail, Uatch-nesert, who comest forth from Het-ka-Ptah, I have not carried
away food.
Hail, Qerti, who comest forth from Amenti, I have not uttered evil words.
Hail, Hetch-abhu, who comest from Ta-she, I have attacked no man.
Hail, Unem-snef, who comest forth from the execution chamber, I have not
salin a bull which was the property of the god.
Hail, Unem-besku, who comest [forth from the Mabet chamber], I have not
acted deceitfully.
Hail, Neb-maat, who comest forth from Maati, I have not pillaged the lands
which have been ploughed.
Hail, Thenemi, who comest forth from Bast, I have never pried into matters
[to make mischief].
Hail, Aati, who comest forth from Anu, I have not set my mouth in motion.
Hail, Tutuf, who comest from from A, I have not been wroth except with
reason.
Hail, Uamemti, who comest forth from the execution chamber, I have not
debauched the wife of a man.
Hail, Maa-anuf, who comest forth from Per-Menu, I ahve not polluted myself.
Hail, Heri-uru, who comest forth from [Nehatu], I have terrorized no man.
Hail, Khemi, who comest forth from Ahaui, I have not made attacks.
Hail, Shet-kheru, who comest forth from Uri, I have not been a man of
anger.
Hail, Nekhem, who comest forth from Heq-at, I have not turned a deaf ear to
the words of truth.
Hail, Ser-Kheru, who comest forth from Unes, I have not stirred up strife.
Hail, Basti, who comest forth from Shetait, I have made none to weep.
Hail, Her-f-ha-f, who comest forth from thy cavern, I have not committed
acts of sexual impurity, or lain with men.
Hail, Ta-ret, who comest forth from Akhkhu, I have not eaten my heart.
Hail, Kenmti, who comest forth from Kenmet, I have cursed no man.
Hail, An-hetep-f, who comest forth from Sau, I have not acted in a violent
or oppressive manner.
Hail, Neb-heru, who comest forth from Tchefet, I have not acted [or judged]
hastily.
Hail, Serekhi, who comest forth from Unth, I have not.... my hair, I have
not harmed the god.
Hail, Neb-abui, who comest forth from Sauti, I have not multiplied my
speech overmuch.
Hail, Nefer-Tem, who comest forth from Het-ka-Ptah, I have not acted with
deciet, I have not worked wickedness.
Hail, Tem-Sep, who comest forth from Tetu, I have not done things to effect
the cursing of [the king].
Hail, Ari-em-ab-f, who comest forth from Tebti, I have not stopped the flow
of water.
Hail, Ahi-mu, who comest forth from Nu, I have not raised my voice.
Hail, Utu-rekhit, who comest forth from thy house, I have not curse God.
Hail, Neheb-Nefert, who comest forth from the Lake of Nefer, I have not
acted with insufferable insolence.
Hail, Neheb-kau, who comest forth from [thy] city, I have not sought to
make myself unduly distinguished.
Hail, Tcheser-tep, who comest forth from thy cavern, I have not increased
my wealth except through such things are [justly] my own possessions.
Hail, An-a-f, who comest forth from Auker, I have not scorned [or treated
with contempt] the god of my town.
There you go Homer, can you live up to that & still face Ma'at in the Hall
of Two Truths? I doubt it.
walksalone who doubts Homer can play silly buggers as long as I can post
mythological information that is better than his. More on topic as well.
--
Chief Aupumut, Mohican. 1725
"When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with
the fear of
death, so when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time
to live
their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die
like a hero
going home."
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22 Aug 2004 08:59:38 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:36:37 -0500, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:56:08 GMT, homer wrote:
Oh dear, still playing silly buggers then Homer. Fair enough then. Here,
try some history that not only predates yours, but is a fair chance of
being the basis of you big ten to a fair degree & then some. But then,
these folks had to say these things to real gods, or else lose all chance
at resurrection then & there. & those gods did not tolerate liars, so they
had only one chance to get it right. Bad enough that, but then they were
down to the Hall of Two Truths for to take the ultimate chance, for if the
evil in their heart outweigh=ed a feather, just one feather, from the head
dress of Ma'at, Anibus ate their heart & there was no chance at
resurrection, ever.
The whole pagan argument makes no sense. I have no problem believing
people dreamed up pagan gods who said things like don't kill and
steal. So what?
The peoples who worshiped the pagan religions themselves dropped it
like a hot potato once they saw christianity. Why? Were they scholars
who were convinced by the scholarly evidence in support of the
divinity of Jesus? I doubt it. They beleived in a god in the first
place, and they recognized the powerful truth behind the christian
teachings about God. That is why paganism was dropped.
The most powerful proof in support of christianity is in the inherent
truth and power of the teachings themselves. It has proven itself over
and over again.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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23 Aug 2004 07:00:48 AM |
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:59:38 +0000 in episode
<07jii01no6vvtukniivq3dtddmp2niilf9@4ax.com> we saw our hero homer
<xxx@xxx.com>:
The most powerful proof in support of christianity is in the inherent
truth and power of the teachings themselves. It has proven itself over and
over again.
Except that based on *your example, it's all a lie by people who couldn't
be bothered to follow even simple rules, had no respect for others, and,
anyway, were just pissed at the poopy pagans for saying stuff...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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23 Aug 2004 05:40:35 AM |
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:59:38 GMT, homer wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:36:37 -0500, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:56:08 GMT, homer wrote:
Oh dear, still playing silly buggers then Homer. Fair enough then. Here,
try some history that not only predates yours, but is a fair chance of
being the basis of you big ten to a fair degree & then some. But then,
these folks had to say these things to real gods, or else lose all chance
at resurrection then & there. & those gods did not tolerate liars, so they
had only one chance to get it right. Bad enough that, but then they were
down to the Hall of Two Truths for to take the ultimate chance, for if the
evil in their heart outweigh=ed a feather, just one feather, from the head
dress of Ma'at, Anibus ate their heart & there was no chance at
resurrection, ever.
The whole pagan argument makes no sense. I have no problem believing
That might have something to do with its not an argument Homer, its
history. Unlike your myth, we have evidence for these occurrences. Now,
their gods, unlike yours, are better attested to, are still missing. Fancy
that.
people dreamed up pagan gods who said things like don't kill and
steal. So what?
Good grief but you really are this stupid.
Consider that your heroes, the founders of the Torah, supposedly spent time
not only in Egypt, but the Courts of the Pharaoh of Egypt.
Where did they get the ides from. not your gods, that would have been El.
So we can find that the vaunted big ten was not original to the proto Jews.
Just another indication of a manufactured myth used to justify tribal
identity & history. Nothing rally new there, humans have done that for
centuries before the missing Exodus, & after.
The peoples who worshiped the pagan religions themselves dropped it
like a hot potato once they saw christianity. Why? Were they scholars
No they did not. But when the swords came out they were convinced.
You don't do history very much, & in the case of the xian myth, I can see
why. You might learn something you could not deny.
who were convinced by the scholarly evidence in support of the
divinity of Jesus? I doubt it. They beleived in a god in the first
place, and they recognized the powerful truth behind the christian
teachings about God. That is why paganism was dropped.
& is that is why it is reappearing where once it carried the death
sentence. Let's see, no Roman Emperor ever decreed the death penalty for
worshiping any other gods but the bleaters pantheon. No Roman citizen ever
lost life or property for believing in Jupiter. Interesting version of
history you have there Homer, is it home rolled?
The most powerful proof in support of christianity is in the inherent
truth and power of the teachings themselves. It has proven itself over
and over again.
Not really, but then, you are a bleater so are by demonstration, incapable
of coherent thought when your myth is involved. You are so shaky with it
you must try to defend it even when it does not need defense.
Truly, were your gods to exist they would need better representation that
those like you.
walksalone who hopes somebody saw more in the above than I did, just hot
air & begging & pleading based on zero evidence. Homer must be xian, or
like one of the sadder ones.
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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because
I notice it always coincides with their own desires. -Susan B Anthony,
reformer and suffragist (1820-1906)
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23 Aug 2004 04:59:16 PM |
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On 23-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
The whole pagan argument makes no sense. I have no problem believing
That might have something to do with its not an argument Homer, its
history. Unlike your myth, we have evidence for these occurrences. Now,
their gods, unlike yours, are better attested to, are still missing. Fancy
that.
Strange...12 country bumpkins head out from Jerusalem one day, and shortly
thereafter, from Carthage to Byzantium to Gaul, so many pagans came to
believe their 'myth', that it threatened the stability of the greatest
empire ever known. Some myth, eh?
people dreamed up pagan gods who said things like don't kill and
steal. So what?
Good grief but you really are this stupid.
Consider that your heroes, the founders of the Torah, supposedly spent
time
not only in Egypt, but the Courts of the Pharaoh of Egypt.
Where did they get the ides from. not your gods, that would have been El.
So we can find that the vaunted big ten was not original to the proto
Jews.
Just another indication of a manufactured myth used to justify tribal
identity & history. Nothing rally new there, humans have done that for
centuries before the missing Exodus, & after.
The 12 bumpkins preached about brotherhood, and a love that transcended
tribal identities and history. Be it El or whomever, God was now God.
The peoples who worshiped the pagan religions themselves dropped it
like a hot potato once they saw christianity. Why? Were they scholars
No they did not. But when the swords came out they were convinced.
You don't do history very much, & in the case of the xian myth, I can see
why. You might learn something you could not deny.
Like Jesus, the tounges of the apostles were like swords, cutting away the
myths to leave only the truth. And if you have any stories about St. Paul
swinging a sword around, I'd be curious to hear it.
who were convinced by the scholarly evidence in support of the
divinity of Jesus? I doubt it. They beleived in a god in the first
place, and they recognized the powerful truth behind the christian
teachings about God. That is why paganism was dropped.
& is that is why it is reappearing where once it carried the death
sentence. Let's see, no Roman Emperor ever decreed the death penalty for
worshiping any other gods but the bleaters pantheon. No Roman citizen ever
lost life or property for believing in Jupiter. Interesting version of
history you have there Homer, is it home rolled?
That's right, for almost three centuries being a Christian carried the
penalty of death, yet their numbers increased. Thousands faced death in the
Circus, but would not renouce their faith. Wouldn't kneeling before Jupiter
have been a lot easier? I think a lot of people in the audience were led
towards conversion by watching Christians meet horrible fates with dignity,
and crying out to God to forgive their executioners...
The most powerful proof in support of christianity is in the inherent
truth and power of the teachings themselves. It has proven itself over
and over again.
Not really, but then, you are a bleater so are by demonstration, incapable
of coherent thought when your myth is involved. You are so shaky with it
you must try to defend it even when it does not need defense.
Truly, were your gods to exist they would need better representation that
those like you.
I would disagree about it not proving itself, as I watch our society sliding
towards self destruction, I marvel at how simple Christian principals could
ave us all.
walksalone who hopes somebody saw more in the above than I did, just hot
air & begging & pleading based on zero evidence. Homer must be xian, or
like one of the sadder ones.
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some people... I could say: "two plus two equals four." and you would say:
"No, it's not, you haven't proven it to be so."
Cap. H. Betcha
7th Jesus Freaks
Bleater Brigade
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"His deeds inimitable, like the Sea
That shuts still as it opes, and leaves no tracts
Nor prints of Precedent for poore men's facts."
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On 23-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
That might have something to do with its not an argument Homer, its
history. Unlike your myth, we have evidence for these occurrences. Now,
their gods, unlike yours, are better attested to, are still missing. Fancy
that.
Strange...12 country bumpkins head out from Jerusalem one day, and shortly
thereafter, from Carthage to Byzantium to Gaul, so many pagans came to
believe their 'myth', that it threatened the stability of the greatest
empire ever known. Some myth, eh?
Interesting theory. I'm not aware that "shortly thereafter" pagans did
convert in such great numbers that the stability of the empire was
threatened. What is the _evidence_ on which you base your claim?
1. the number converted in the Empire? What is your evidence?
1b specific numbers converted in Carthage? What is your evidence?
specific numbers converted in Byzantium? What is your evidence?
[ do you know when Byzantium was
founded?]
specific numbers converted in Gaul? What is your evidence?
2. "shortly thereafter" -- the dates of the claimed conversions?
What is your evidence?
3. The threat to the stability of the empire? What is your evidence?
No they did not. But when the swords came out they were convinced.
You don't do history very much, & in the case of the xian myth, I can see
why. You might learn something you could not deny.
Like Jesus, the tounges of the apostles were like swords, cutting away the
myths to leave only the truth. And if you have any stories about St. Paul
swinging a sword around, I'd be curious to hear it.
You do not understand the point, which is not that _Paul_ used swords.
Paul converted a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of the pagan
population. The point is that paganism was finally conquered not by
logic or reason or love, but by savage butchery:
"[I]n late antiquity, both secular and ecclesiastical authorities
repeatedly destroyed unedifying texts, in well advertised ceremonies,
most obviously in sectarian disputes where rival claims for orthodoxy
were pitted against each other; whereupon one of them along with its
creeds and treatises would be declared heterodox by the other, and
measures would be taken to insure that no trace of it's existence
remained except, perhaps, what might be embedded in victorious
disproofs and rejoinders. Non-Christian writings came in for this
same treatment, that is, destruction in great bonfires at the center
of the town square. Copyists were discouraged from replacing them by
the threat of having their hands cut off."
[MacMullen, Ramsay. Christianity & Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth
Centuries (1997), pg. 4]
amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0300080778/paganoriginofthe
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Periodic outbursts, however, of hate-filled mob or gang violence
[against the pagans] after the mid-fourth century are indeed recorded
.... and the role of the church leadership in exciting them is clear.
The leaders' appeals could be heard over a general background of terms
such as "mad", "laughable," "loathsome," "disgusting,"
"contaminating," "wicked," "ignorant," and so forth, characteristic of
ancient invective and freely applied by Christians to everything
religious that was not also Christian.
[MacMullen, Ramsay. Christianity & Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth
Centuries (1997), pg. 13]
amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0300080778/paganoriginofthe
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Justinian (527 - 565) … pursued the goal of religious uniformity as no
one before him. "He did not see it as murder if the victims did not
share his own beliefs." [Procopius, Anec. 13.7] Those he disagreed
with he was likely to mutilate if he didn't behead or crucify them….
"There was a great persecution of pagans, and many lost all their
property… A great terror was aroused … (with) a deadline of three
months to be converted." Troops were used to destroy the remotest
temples.
[MacMullen, Ramsay. Christianity & Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth
Centuries (1997), pg. 27]
amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0300080778/paganoriginofthe
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[T]he bishops assembled in council (at Toledo in 681), like Firmicus
quoting vengeful verses from Deuteronomy, called on the civil
authorities to seize and behead all those guilty of non-Christian
practices of whatsoever sort.
[MacMullen, Ramsay. Christianity & Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth
Centuries (1997), pg. 16]
amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0300080778/paganoriginofthe
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The [Pagan] temples which are in cities or towns or outside the town
shall be vindicated to public use. Altars shall be destroyed in all
places, and all temples situated on Our landholdings shall be
transferred to suitable uses. The proprietors shall be compelled to
destroy them.
[Theodosius, emperor, Theodosian Code, 16.10.19.2 (340s AD)]
"[S]ome persons have been discovered given over to the error of the
unholy and wicked pagans, performing acts that stir a loving God to
just wrath, [who] offer sacrifice to insensate idols and celebrate
festivals replete with every impiety, even persons who have already
been judged worthy of holy baptism," who henceforth shall be executed.
[Justininian, emperor, Justinian Code, 1.11.10]
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[During Justinian's forced conversions in the sixth century] a number
of highly placed pagans … escaped baptism by suicide. Pg 27
Tiberius' (578 - 582) … commander Theophilus, notorious for his
savagery . . . 'Seized many of them and punished them as their
impudence merited, humbling their pride and crucifying and killing
them.' [Joh. Ephes. H.E. 3.28 - & 34, pp 115 & 123f] [Then he]
summon[ed] the [pagan] high priest of Antioch to him at Edessa. The
old man killed himself…his fellow worshiper…Anatolius…was…tortured,
torn up by wild beasts, then crucified, while his aide died of his
tortures. . . Lest anyone within reach of his voice should doubt
whether his severity had been intended, Tiberius summoned to the
palace the entirety of his highest officialdom and the senate, too, so
as to have read aloud to them, from morning till night, the accounts
he had received of the actions taken at his orders against
nonbelievers. Pg 27 - 28
Mauricius (582- 602)… saw to it that pagans were brought before the
courts 'in every region of the city,' and in particular, in
Carrhae-Harran. Here, the bishop…received the emperor's orders to
institute a persecution. 'Some he managed to convert to Christianity,
while many who resisted he carved up, suspending their limbs in the
main street of the town.' The local troup commander himself was
denounced as a secret pagan. He had passes as a Christian, his name
was 'Danger-free"; yet he was crucified.
[MacMullen, Ramsay. Christianity & Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth
Centuries (1997), pg. 27]
amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0300080778/paganoriginofthe
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[Of Justinian's troops] … many straightaway went everywhere from place
to place and tried to compel such persons as they met to change [to
Christianity] from their ancestral [pagan] faith. And since such
action seemed unholy to the farmer class, they all resolved to make a
stand against those who brought this message. So, then, while many
were being destroyed by the soldiers and many even made away with
themselves, thinking in their folly that they were doing a most
righteous thing, and while the majority of them, leaving their
homelands, went into exile.."
[Procopius, anec, 11.21]
Dirk Hartog
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I don't care what you believe.
I care what the evidence is.
I care about the reasoning you use to justify your beliefs.
It is not morally acceptable to say ... our story is truth but yours
is myth; ours is history but yours is a lie. It is even less morally
acceptable to ... manufactur[e] defensive or protective strategies
that apply only to one's own story.
[John Crossan, The Birth of Christianity, 1998, pg 28 - 29]
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:59:16 GMT, wrote:
Did you overlook the recovery group Hugh, or are you following Homers lead
when responding to me?
Recovery group removed from send to list.
On 23-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
The whole pagan argument makes no sense. I have no problem believing
That might have something to do with its not an argument Homer, its
history. Unlike your myth, we have evidence for these occurrences. Now,
their gods, unlike yours, are better attested to, are still missing. Fancy
that.
Strange...12 country bumpkins head out from Jerusalem one day, and shortly
Did they now, you have historical evidence for these claims. I've tried for
historical evidence, & failed. But then, I never assumed the claims were
true to start with.
thereafter, from Carthage to Byzantium to Gaul, so many pagans came to
believe their 'myth', that it threatened the stability of the greatest
empire ever known. Some myth, eh?
Did it now, until Constantine there was no threat from it. Its followers
now, that was another mater. But he myth itself was without damage.
people dreamed up pagan gods who said things like don't kill and
steal. So what?
Good grief but you really are this stupid.
Consider that your heroes, the founders of the Torah, supposedly spent
time
not only in Egypt, but the Courts of the Pharaoh of Egypt.
Where did they get the ides from. not your gods, that would have been El.
So we can find that the vaunted big ten was not original to the proto
Jews.
Just another indication of a manufactured myth used to justify tribal
identity & history. Nothing rally new there, humans have done that for
centuries before the missing Exodus, & after.
The 12 bumpkins preached about brotherhood, and a love that transcended
tribal identities and history. Be it El or whomever, God was now God.
The twelve bumpkins have what to do with the Exodus, or any other OT events
if you will Sirrah. That is nothing but a red herring, which you should
know.
The peoples who worshiped the pagan religions themselves dropped it
like a hot potato once they saw christianity. Why? Were they scholars
No they did not. But when the swords came out they were convinced.
You don't do history very much, & in the case of the xian myth, I can see
why. You might learn something you could not deny.
Like Jesus, the tounges of the apostles were like swords, cutting away the
Apparently not, who was it Theodosius[?] that under the edict of Ambrose
forbade all pagan worship? I could look it up, but really, what have the
dirty dozen to do with forced conversions, loss of land, the disallowing of
a Roman citizen to provide for the temples of his/her gods by testament is
beyond me.
myths to leave only the truth. And if you have any stories about St. Paul
swinging a sword around, I'd be curious to hear it.
If you have historical evidence for Saul or the dirty dozen, I would like
to see it.
The point is, until the Emperors turned the mad monks of the desert loose,
& forbade any myth except xianity, it was not the most popular religion in
Rome, or its empire.
Now, if you have the evidence to the contrary, please do post it.
who were convinced by the scholarly evidence in support of the
divinity of Jesus? I doubt it. They beleived in a god in the first
place, and they recognized the powerful truth behind the christian
teachings about God. That is why paganism was dropped.
& is that is why it is reappearing where once it carried the death
sentence. Let's see, no Roman Emperor ever decreed the death penalty for
worshiping any other gods but the bleaters pantheon. No Roman citizen ever
lost life or property for believing in Jupiter. Interesting version of
history you have there Homer, is it home rolled?
That's right, for almost three centuries being a Christian carried the
No it did not. Were there persecutions, you betcha, were they continuous
for three hundred years, no, they were not.
True persecutions due to being xian only, IIRC, two. Xians gettng busted
for breaking civil law & whinnig that they were being persecuted, you
betcha.
As a minor example, xians were excused from military duty due to the no
killing command of their gods. I doubt anyone joined on that account], but
when it came time for them to gain political power, suddenly it was
permitted under the guise in the performance of god's wishes or some such
crap.
Without them, Constantine would have not become Emperor.
penalty of death, yet their numbers increased. Thousands faced death in the
Circus, but would not renouce their faith. Wouldn't kneeling before Jupiter
Really, can you say, evidence is found here, & provide it. Let me guess,
its in all the church records. Tell you what, add up all those claims, &
figure out how the church could even keep its numbers up. Or do you think
that had anything to do with the sudden decree there could be no more
suicides by the games.
BTW, who was the last sponsor of the gladiatorial games?
Do you know, I do, & it was not the Romans doing in xians.
have been a lot easier? I think a lot of people in the audience were led
towards conversion by watching Christians meet horrible fates with dignity,
and crying out to God to forgive their executioners...
I doubt it, I doubt there was that much of it going on. Like he tales for
Polycarp, Martin & a few others, I doubt you can even begin to provide
evidence for the claims being as claimed.
Sounded god though.
The most powerful proof in support of christianity is in the inherent
truth and power of the teachings themselves. It has proven itself over
and over again.
Not really, but then, you are a bleater so are by demonstration, incapable
of coherent thought when your myth is involved. You are so shaky with it
you must try to defend it even when it does not need defense.
Truly, were your gods to exist they would need better representation that
those like you.
I would disagree about it not proving itself, as I watch our society sliding
towards self destruction, I marvel at how simple Christian principals could
ave us all.
Aved us all, did you mean enslave? I presume it was not ave [praise] us
all? Was it?
As to the condition of the world, you expect anything else with the
population it has?
walksalone who hopes somebody saw more in the above than I did, just hot
air & begging & pleading based on zero evidence. Homer must be xian, or
like one of the sadder ones.
BTW, are you out of the messiah discussion now?
How about the god falsification one?
your call, but the way the messiah list could turn out has rattled a lot of
cages with those that are honest with themselves so no strain if you don't
want to play that game any more.
walksalone who doubts not Hugh is as claimed, but at lest he is honest with
it. Now, as to that rank, is it brevet?
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It's hard to be religious when certain people
are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
Calvin, of the late Calvin and Hobbes
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25 Aug 2004 09:03:27 PM |
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On 23-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
Did you overlook the recovery group Hugh, or are you following Homers lead
when responding to me?
Recovery group removed from send to list.
oops.
Strange...12 country bumpkins head out from Jerusalem one day, and
shortly
Did they now, you have historical evidence for these claims. I've tried
for
historical evidence, & failed. But then, I never assumed the claims were
true to start with.
The rapid spread of Christianity? Isn't that recorded in history?
thereafter, from Carthage to Byzantium to Gaul, so many pagans came to
believe their 'myth', that it threatened the stability of the greatest
empire ever known. Some myth, eh?
Did it now, until Constantine there was no threat from it. Its followers
now, that was another mater. But he myth itself was without damage.
Nero sure found it threatening, went to great lengths to supress it.
people dreamed up pagan gods who said things like don't kill and
steal. So what?
Good grief but you really are this stupid.
Consider that your heroes, the founders of the Torah, supposedly spent
time
not only in Egypt, but the Courts of the Pharaoh of Egypt.
Where did they get the ides from. not your gods, that would have been
El.
So we can find that the vaunted big ten was not original to the proto
Jews.
Just another indication of a manufactured myth used to justify tribal
identity & history. Nothing rally new there, humans have done that for
centuries before the missing Exodus, & after.
The 12 bumpkins preached about brotherhood, and a love that transcended
tribal identities and history. Be it El or whomever, God was now God.
The twelve bumpkins have what to do with the Exodus, or any other OT
events
if you will Sirrah. That is nothing but a red herring, which you should
know.
Good point, wa. the new faith had little to do with the OT, which was the
history of the Jews. It was universal.
No they did not. But when the swords came out they were convinced.
You don't do history very much, & in the case of the xian myth, I can
see
why. You might learn something you could not deny.
Like Jesus, the tounges of the apostles were like swords, cutting away
the
Apparently not, who was it Theodosius[?] that under the edict of Ambrose
forbade all pagan worship? I could look it up, but really, what have the
dirty dozen to do with forced conversions, loss of land, the disallowing
of
a Roman citizen to provide for the temples of his/her gods by testament is
beyond me.
They had nothing to do with it. St. Ambrose was in a position to forbid
pagan worship among Christians of course, but it was still an underground,
illegal religion during his time, so I doubt that he could impose it on
anyone. Unless I'm thinking of the wrong Ambrose. Anyhow, after Constantine,
the Christians began to repress the pagans, but that was 200+ years after
the 'dirty dozen'.
myths to leave only the truth. And if you have any stories about St.
Paul
swinging a sword around, I'd be curious to hear it.
If you have historical evidence for Saul or the dirty dozen, I would like
to see it.
The point is, until the Emperors turned the mad monks of the desert loose,
& forbade any myth except xianity, it was not the most popular religion in
Rome, or its empire.
Now, if you have the evidence to the contrary, please do post it.
Aw, man, you're not going to make me do research again, are you? Anyhow,
Saul/Paul's epistles are included free with every Bible, as is St. Luke's
acclaimed 'Acts of The Apostles'. St. Paul is another historical figure
whose existence cannot be denied.
who were convinced by the scholarly evidence in support of the
divinity of Jesus? I doubt it. They beleived in a god in the first
place, and they recognized the powerful truth behind the christian
teachings about God. That is why paganism was dropped.
& is that is why it is reappearing where once it carried the death
sentence. Let's see, no Roman Emperor ever decreed the death penalty
for
worshiping any other gods but the bleaters pantheon. No Roman citizen
ever
lost life or property for believing in Jupiter. Interesting version of
history you have there Homer, is it home rolled?
That's right, for almost three centuries being a Christian carried the
No it did not. Were there persecutions, you betcha, were they continuous
for three hundred years, no, they were not.
True persecutions due to being xian only, IIRC, two. Xians gettng busted
for breaking civil law & whinnig that they were being persecuted, you
betcha.
As a minor example, xians were excused from military duty due to the no
killing command of their gods. I doubt anyone joined on that account], but
when it came time for them to gain political power, suddenly it was
permitted under the guise in the performance of god's wishes or some such
crap.
Without them, Constantine would have not become Emperor.
Why is it that when I downplay and rationalize the grisly violence of the
OT, I get flamed, but you can do the same for the persecution of Christians
in pagan Rome?
penalty of death, yet their numbers increased. Thousands faced death in
the
Circus, but would not renouce their faith. Wouldn't kneeling before
Jupiter
Really, can you say, evidence is found here, & provide it. Let me guess,
its in all the church records. Tell you what, add up all those claims, &
figure out how the church could even keep its numbers up. Or do you think
that had anything to do with the sudden decree there could be no more
suicides by the games.
BTW, who was the last sponsor of the gladiatorial games?
Do you know, I do, & it was not the Romans doing in xians
have been a lot easier? I think a lot of people in the audience were led
towards conversion by watching Christians meet horrible fates with
dignity,
and crying out to God to forgive their executioners...
I doubt it, I doubt there was that much of it going on. Like he tales for
Polycarp, Martin & a few others, I doubt you can even begin to provide
evidence for the claims being as claimed.
Sounded god though.
Nope, you're right. No first hand disinterested independently verifiable
sworn testimony.
The most powerful proof in support of christianity is in the inherent
truth and power of the teachings themselves. It has proven itself over
and over again.
Not really, but then, you are a bleater so are by demonstration,
incapable
of coherent thought when your myth is involved. You are so shaky with
it
you must try to defend it even when it does not need defense.
Truly, were your gods to exist they would need better representation
that
those like you.
I would disagree about it not proving itself, as I watch our society
sliding
towards self destruction, I marvel at how simple Christian principals
could
ave us all.
Aved us all, did you mean enslave? I presume it was not ave [praise] us
all? Was it?
As to the condition of the world, you expect anything else with the
population it has?
SAVE us. The population isn't a problem, we have the resources and know-how
to feed *everyone*. But we don't.
BTW, are you out of the messiah discussion now?
How about the god falsification one?
your call, but the way the messiah list could turn out has rattled a lot
of
cages with those that are honest with themselves so no strain if you don't
want to play that game any more.
Oh nuts. I've taken on more than I have the time for. The 'messiah' one has
me baffled, so, let's do the god one.
Stand by...
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homer <xxx@xxx.com> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:36:37 -0500, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:56:08 GMT, homer wrote:
Oh dear, still playing silly buggers then Homer. Fair enough then. Here,
try some history that not only predates yours, but is a fair chance of
being the basis of you big ten to a fair degree & then some. But then,
these folks had to say these things to real gods, or else lose all chance
at resurrection then & there. & those gods did not tolerate liars, so they
had only one chance to get it right. Bad enough that, but then they were
down to the Hall of Two Truths for to take the ultimate chance, for if the
evil in their heart outweigh=ed a feather, just one feather, from the head
dress of Ma'at, Anibus ate their heart & there was no chance at
resurrection, ever.
The whole pagan argument makes no sense. I have no problem believing
people dreamed up pagan gods who said things like don't kill and
steal. So what?
The peoples who worshiped the pagan religions themselves dropped it
like a hot potato once they saw christianity. Why? Were they scholars
who were convinced by the scholarly evidence in support of the
divinity of Jesus? I doubt it. They beleived in a god in the first
place, and they recognized the powerful truth behind the christian
teachings about God. That is why paganism was dropped.
The most powerful proof in support of christianity is in the inherent
truth and power of the teachings themselves. It has proven itself over
and over again.
The pagans were killed and banished from the whole of the Roman
empire, along with the Gnostics, heretics all of them. You'd probably
pretend to drop your religion as well to avoid death, unless you get
off at the thoughts of being the latest, greatest martyr.
The truths and power of romanized Christian teachings are the fact
that they are based and focus on many people's foremost fear of death,
pain and suffering along with taking advantage of people's added
attributes of ignorance spawned by greed or desperation.
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Davidwd
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irreligionist
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28 Aug 2004 12:19:45 AM |
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homer wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:36:37 -0500, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:56:08 GMT, homer wrote:
Oh dear, still playing silly buggers then Homer. Fair enough then. Here,
try some history that not only predates yours, but is a fair chance of
being the basis of you big ten to a fair degree & then some. But then,
these folks had to say these things to real gods, or else lose all chance
at resurrection then & there. & those gods did not tolerate liars, so they
had only one chance to get it right. Bad enough that, but then they were
down to the Hall of Two Truths for to take the ultimate chance, for if the
evil in their heart outweigh=ed a feather, just one feather, from the head
dress of Ma'at, Anibus ate their heart & there was no chance at
resurrection, ever.
The whole pagan argument makes no sense. I have no problem believing
people dreamed up pagan gods who said things like don't kill and
steal. So what?
The peoples who worshiped the pagan religions themselves dropped it
like a hot potato once they saw christianity.
.........so all these were dropped like a hot potato, grow up and stop
worshipping a myth. ALL religions are made up by simple early man, yet so
many silly people want to join them!!! [sigh]
[Note under ‘African Gods’ the number devoted to ‘Supremacy’]
Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye, Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim
Eshu, Ereshkigal,
Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel,
Hephaestus,
Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius, Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Saturn,
Set,
Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, Vesta,
Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus,and Lint® the Laundry God.
African gods:
Abassi [Sky]
Abonsam [Evil]
Abora [Supreme]
Abzu [Water]
Acoran [Supreme]
Adaheli [Sun]
Adro [Sky]
Adroa [Sky]
Agassou [Panther]
Agbe-Naete [Water]
Age [Animals]
Aigamuxa [Monster]
Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
Aje [Wealth]
Ajok [Supreme]
Akonadi [Oracle]
Akongo [Supreme]
Akuj [Supreme]
Ala [Earth/Fertility]
Alatangana [Creator]
Amma [Creator]
Anansi [Trickster]
Anyiewo [Snake]
Aondo [Creator]
Apa [Creator]
Apedemak [War]
Arawa [Moon]
Arebati [Sky]
Arom [Contracts]
Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
Asase Ya [Earth]
Ashiakle [Wealth]
Asis [Sun]
Astar [Sky]
Ataa Naa
Nyongmo
[Creator]
Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
Atete [Fertility]
Avrikiti [Fishermen]
Ayabba
[Ayaba] [Hearth]
Bacax [Cave]
Bagba [Wind]
Balubaal [Earth+]
Bandara [Superior Gods]
Banga [Clear water]
Behanzin [Fish]
Beher [Sea]
Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
Bo [Warriors]
Bomazi[Ancestors]
Buadza [WInd]
Buck[River]
Buku [Sky]
Bumba [Creator]
Cagn [Creator]
(!Kaggen)
Cghene [Creator]
Chiuke
(Chuku) [Creator]
Chiata [Supreme]
Chwezi [Hero]
Col [Rain]
Chikara [Sky]
Danh
(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
Deng [Sky]
Deohako [Beans+]
Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
Dongo [Outer Space]
Dugbo [Earth]
Dxui [Creator]
Emeli-hi [Supreme]
Eranoranhan [Protector]
Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
Fa [Destiny]
Famien [Fertility]
Faro [Sky/Water]
Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
Gbeni [Chief]
Gei (Gou) [Moon]
Gu [War/Smiths]
Gua [Sky]
Gulu [Supreme]
Gunab [Evil]
Guruhi [Evil]
Gurzil [Bull]
Gwalu [Rain]
Hammon [Setting Sun]
Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
Hevioss [Thunder]
Huntin [Tree]
Huvean [Creator]
Ifa [Oracul]
Ikenga [Supreme]
Imana [Creator]
Iruwa [Sun]
Juok [Creator]
Kalumba [Creator]
Kalunga Supreme]
Katavi [Demonic]
Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
Khebieso [Lightening]
Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
Kholomodumo [Monster]
Khuzwane [Creator]
Kibuka [War]
Kokola [Guardian]
Kwammang-a [Supreme]
Kwoth [Spirit]
Kyala [Creator]
Legba [Trickster]
Leza [Chief]
Libanza [Supreme]
Lisa [Chameleon]
Lyangombe[Chief]
Macardit [Demon]
Mantis [Creator]
Massim-Biambe [Creator]
Mawu [Sky]
Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
Mbotumbo [Supreme]
Medr [Earth]
Moomb [Creator]
Mon [?]
Mugasa
Mugu [Sky]
Mujaji [Rain]
Mukasa [Supreme]
Mula Djadi [Creator]
Muluku [Supreme]
Mulungu
Mungu [Creator]
Mungo (Mungu) [?]
Musa (Teaching]
Musisi [Supreme]
Mwari [Supreme]
Nampa [Personal]
Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
Nana Buluk [Creator]
Ndjambi [Sky]
Ndriananahary [Supreme]
Nduru [Jungle]
Nenaunir [Storm]
Nesshoue [River]
Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
Ngewo-wa [Creator]
Ngworekara [Demon]
Niamye [Supreme]
Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
Nommo [Elemental]
Nommo [Spirit]
Nyama [Animal]
Nyambe [Supreme]
Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
Nyame
Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
Nyasaye [Supeme]
Nzambi (Nzambi)
Mpunguo) [Supreme]
Nzame [Supreme]
Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
Obatala [Sky]
Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
Ogun (Ogoun) War]
Olokula [Sea]
Olorun [Supreme]
Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
Orahan [Supreme]
Orisa Nla [Creator]
Orishako [Agriculture]
Orunjan [Midday Sun]
Orunmila [Compassion]
Oshalla [?]
Osun [Beauty and Love]
Oya [Passion and Power]
Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
Qandisa [Demon]
Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
Rock-Sene [Supreme]
Ruwa [Supreme]
Sagbata [Smallpox]
Sakarabru [Medicine]
Sakpata [Smallpox]
Sango [Thunder]
Shango [Thunder]
So [Lightening]
Tano [River]
Tore [Forest]
Trowu[Spirits]
Tsui'goab [Rain]
Twe [Lake]
Umvelinqangi [Creator]
Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
Unumbotte [Creator]
Waka [Rain]
Wele [Supreme]
Wulbari [Supreme]
Wuni [Supreme]
Xewioso [Thunder]
Yemaja [Creation]
Yo [Impersonal]
Zin [Water]
Table of Asian Gods:
BUDDHIST
Abhijnaraja [Physician]
Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
Acala [?]
Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]
Adibuddha [First]
Adidharma [Primeval]
Aizen Myo-o [Protective]
Ajaya [?]
Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai
Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]
Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]
Amida [Savior]
Amitabha [A Dhyani]
Amitayus [Longevity]
Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]
Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]
Anantamukhi [Literature]
Arapacana [Book and Sword]
Arcismati [Bhumis]
Arhat [A Saint]
Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]
Arya-Tara [Sakti]
Asokakanta [avatar Marici]
Asokottamasri [Physician]
Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]
Asura [Group of Demons]
Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]
Ayurvasita[One vasitas]
Balaparamita [Philosophy]
Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]
Bhima[Attendant]
Bhrkuti[Female]
Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]
Bhumi [Spiritual Spheres]
Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]
Bi-har [Protector]
Bodhidharma [Monk]
Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [Born to be Englightened]
Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]
Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]
Budha [Mercury]
Butcho [?]
Chandarosana [Mahayana]
Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]
Chakravartin [World Ruler]
Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]
Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]
Chittavista [Vashitas]
Citipati [Graveyard Demons]
Cunda [Literature]
Da-shi-zhi [Bodhisattva]
Dadimunda [Temples]
Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]
Dakini [Demons]
Dala Kadavara [Demon]
Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]
Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]
Dharani [Mystical Texts]
Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]
Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]
Dharmamegha [Bhumis]
Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]
Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]
Dharmavasita [Vasitas]
Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]
Dhupa [Mother]
Dhupatara [Mahayana]
Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]
Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]
Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]
Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]
Di-zang [Bodhisattvas of Hell]
Dvarapala [?]
Ekajata [Terrible]
Emma-o [Judges the Dead]
Fudo [WIsdom]
Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
Hariti [Ate Children]
Hayagriva [Protection]
Heruka [Protection]
Hevajra [Protection]
Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]
Janguli [Snakebite cure]
Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]
Jizo [Compassion]
Juichimen [Mercy]
Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]
Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [Indian bodhisattva]
Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]
Krodhadevatas [Inspire Terror]
Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]
Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]
Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]
Kurukulla [?]
Locana [?]
Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]
Maitreya [Future]
Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]
Manjusri [bodhisattva]
Mara [Evil]
Marici [Sun]
Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva
Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva
Mo-Li [Protects Temples]
Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]
Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]
Pandara [?]
Paramasva [?]
Parnasavari [?]
Prajna [Femaleness]
Prajnaparamita [Buddhist Text]
Ran-deng [Beggar and Future Buddha]
Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]
Remanta [King of the Horse gods]
Sakyamuni [Japanese]
Samantabhadra [Bodhisattvas]
Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]
Shakra [King of the Gods]
Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]
Sumbharaja [Buddhist Krodhadevata]
Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]
Usnisavijaya [?]
Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas]
Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World]
Vajrabhairava [?]
Vajrapani [Bodhisattvas]
Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha]
Vajravarahi [?]
Vajrayogini [Initiation]
Vajrayogini [Riches]
Vidyadharas [?]
Vidyujjvalakarali [?]
Vighnantaka [?]
Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World]
Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven]
Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
We-to [Divine General]
Yakushi Nyorai [Healing]
Yama [?]
Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas]
Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods]
CHINESE GODS
Ao [Sea]
Awun [Destruction]
Ba [Drought]
Ba Gua [Basis of Divination]
Bo Hsian [Taoist]
Cai-Shen [Riches]
Can Cong [Silkworms]
Cao Guo-jiu [Actors]
Chang Fei [War]
Chang Hs'ien [Children]
Chang Kuo-lao [?]
Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon]
Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife]
Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians]
Chen Jen [Spiritual Beings]
Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen]
Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Buskers]
Chih Nu [Weavers]
Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain]
Chih-Yu [Inventor]
Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian]
Chou Wang [Sodomy]
Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties]
Chu Jung [Fire]
Chu Lung [Day/Night]
Chung K'uei [Afterlife]
Chung-li Ch'uan [Immortal]
Confucius [Philosopher]
Di Zhang Xia [?]
Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God]
Erh-Lang [Guardian]
Fan-K'uei [Butchers]
Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind]
Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings]
Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind]
Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind]
Fo [Buddha]
Fu His [Taught Humanity]
Fu Hsing [Happiness]
Fu Shen [Happiness]
Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods]
Fu-xi [Hero]
Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement]
Gong Gong [Common Workers]
Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers]
Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling]
Gui Xian [Demon]
Han Hsiang [Immortal]
Han Xiang-zi [Immortal]
He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers]
Heng E (Change-e) [Moon]
He Xian-gu [Immortal]
Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples]
Heng-o [Moon]
Ho Hsien-ku [Immortal]
Ho Po [River]
Hou Chi [Harvest]
Hou I [Archer]
Hou T'u [Earth]
Hsien [Taoists]
Hsi Ho [Sun's Creator]
Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian]
Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven]
Hua Hsien [Flower]
Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero]
Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain]
Hu-Shen [Hail]
I [Bowmen]
Infoniwoo [Generation]
I-Ti [Wine]
K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil]
Kuan Yu [War]
K'uei Hsing [Examinations]
Lan Cai-he [Immortal]
Lao T'ien Yeh [Supreme]
Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher]
Lei Kung [Storm]
Lei-zi [Thunder]
Li [Fire]
Li Tie-guai [Immortal]
Liu [Crops]
Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [Immortal]
Lu-Hsing [Salaries/Employees]
Lung Wang [Dragon King]
Lupan [Carpenters]
Ma-Mien [Bureaucrat]
Meng (Meng P'o) [Underworld]
Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush]
Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng]
Mu Gong [Immortals]
Niu-Y'oun [Police]
Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage]
O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]
Pa [Drought]
Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts]
Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals]
P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues]
'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos]
Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth]
Puhsien [Sun]
Ran-deng [Future Buddha]
San Ch'inga [Three Taos]
Shang Di (Shang Ti) [Supreme]
She Chi (Thu) [Earth]
Shen [Spirit]
Sheng Jen [Holy]
Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero]
Shen-T'u [Guardian]
Shen Yi [Sun]
Shiang Ku [Magician]
Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten]
Shou-Hsing [Longevity]
Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life]
Shou-Ts'ang [Servant]
Shui-Fu [Water]
Shui-Kuan [Defender]
Ssu Ming [Life and Death]
Sung-Chiang [Theives]
Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey]
Sun Hou-zi [Apes]
Sun-Pin [Cobblers]
T'ai I [High]
Tai-sui-xing [Time]
Tai-yi [Sky]
T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak]
Thu [Earth]
Tian [Sky]
Tian-zhu [Catholic]
Tien (T'ien) [Sky]
Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven]
T'ien-Kuan [Happiness]
T'ien Lung [Dragon]
Tien Mu [Lightening]
Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings]
Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness]
Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth]
Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy]
Ti Yu [Afterlife]
Tou Nu [North Star]
Ts'ai-Lun [Stationers]
Ts'ai Shen [Wealth]
Tsan [Demons]
Ts'ang Chien [Hearth]
Tsao Shen [?]
Tsao-Wang [Hearth]
Tu [Earth]
Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals]
T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality]
Wang [Palace Door]
Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian]
Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature]
Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri]
Wen Pu [Epidemics]
Wu Ti [Myth]
Xian [Spirits]
Xi-Wang-mu [Immortality]
Yama [Seventh hell]
Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [Underworld Prince]
Yao [Wind Conqueror]
Yao-shi-fo [Physician]
Yao Wang [Medicine]
Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death]
Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [Underworld Judge]
Yin and Yang [Male and Female]
Yo Fei [War]
Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds]
Yu-di (Yu Huang) [Supreme]
Yueh Fei [War]
Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High]
Yun T'ung [Clouds]
Yu-qiang [Sea]
Yu Shih [Rain]
Yu-tzu [Rain]
Zao Jun [Kitchen]
Zhang Guo-lao [Immortal]
Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations]
Zhong-li Quan [Immortal]
[Sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology]
Finnish Gods:
Ahto [Water]
Akka [Harvest]
Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]
Hiisi [Forest/Evil]
Ilma [Air]
Ilmarinen [Sky]
Inmar [Sky]
Juma [Sky]
Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+]
Kalevanpojat [Demons]
Kalma [Death]
Kekri [Fertility Feast]
Kipu-Tytto [Illness]
Kondos [Sowing Crops]
Kuu [Moon]
Lemminkainen [Hero]
Louhi [Sorcery/Evil]
Loviatar [Disease]
Luonnotar [Creator]
Madderakka [Dwarves]
Maahiset [Dwarves]
Naaki [Water]
Nyrckes [?]
Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]
Pajainen [?]
Pajonn [Thunder]
Para [Goblin Like]
Pellonpekko [Barley]
Raudna [?]
Rutu [Devil]
Sampsa [Vegetation]
Seides [Stones]
Rauni [?]
Tapio [Forest]
Tiermes [Thunder]
Tuoni [Underworld
Tursas [Monster]
Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]
Vainamoinen [Hero]
Veralden-radien [World Pillars]
Waralden Olmai [World]
JAPANESE GODS
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder]
Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star]
Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal]
Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility]
Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods]
Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil]
Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared]
Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth]
Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]
Bishamon [War]
Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]
Daikoku [Wealth]
Ebisu [Labor]
Fuchi [Fire]
Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom]
Futsunushi [Lightening]
Gozu-Tenno [Plague]
Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind]
Hikohohodemi [Hero]
Hinokagutsuchi [Fire]
Hiruko [Morning Sun]
Hoderi [?]
Hisa-Me [Devils]
Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire]
Hosuseri [?]
Hotei [Laughter]
Inari [Prosperity]
Izanagi [Creator]
Izanami [Mother]
Jikoku [Guardians]
Jimmu Tenno [Founder]
Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity]
Kagu-tsuchi [Fire]
Kamado-gami [Hearth]
Kami [Divinities]
Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?]
Kami-Nari [Thunder]
Kamui [Sky]
Kappa [Water]
Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers]
Kishijoten [Luck]
Kishimojin [Demon]
Komoku [South]
Kompira [Wealth]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First]
Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth]
Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow]
Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes]
Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes]
Ningyo [Mermaid]
Ninigi [Ruler Earth]
O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery]
Onamuji [Earth]
Omiwa [Protective]
Oni [Demons]
O-Wata-Tsumi [Sea]
O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain]
Raiden [Thunder]
Ryo-Wo [Sea]
Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain]
Sae-No-Kami [Roads]
Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain]
Sennin [Immortals]
Shichi-Fukujin [Luck]
Shiko-Me [Devils]
Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind]
Shitatera-Hime [?]
Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians]
Shojo [Satyrs]
Soko-No-Kuni [Underworld]
Suitengu [Sea]
Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs]
Shoki [Enemy of Devils]
Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [Storms]
Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family]
Takemikadzuchi [Thunder]
Take-Mi-Musubi [Sun]
Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain]
Tatsuta-hime [Autumn]
Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest]
Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy]
Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon]
Uji-gami [Ancestors]
Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility and
Food]
Uzume [Mirth]
Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\
Wata-tsu-mi [Sea]
Yabune [House]
Zocho [South]
Shinto Amaterasu [Sun]
Ama-Tsu-Mara [Smiths]
Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral]
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water]
Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [Supreme]
Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers]
Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental]
Ame-no-uzume [Dancers]
Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+]
Fujin [Wind]
Hachiman [War]
Ho-musubi [Fire]
Kami [Idols]
SOUTH ASIAN GODS
Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [Supreme]
Debata [?]
Empung Luminuut [?]
Hainuwele [?]
Hananim [Sky]
Hmin [Ague]
Karei [Supreme]
Kinharingan [Creator]
Kud [Evil]
Laseo [Sun]
Lature Dano [Supreme]
Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above]
Mahatala (Mahataral) [Supreme?]
Ma-zu [?]
Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval]
Narbrooi [Woodlands]
Nemu [Primodial]
Palk [Sun]
Puang Matowa [Sky]
Pulug [Thunder]
Reahu [Dark Demon]
Rigenmucha [Supreme]
Silewe Nazarata [?]
Sirao [First]
Ta Pedn [?]
Tnong [Sun]
Tumbrenjak [Original Man]
Upulevo [Sun]
Wunekau [Sun]
CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS
Abyrga [Snake]
Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms]
Aitvaras [Evil]
Alardi [Spirit]
Aralo [Agriculutre]
Armaz [Supreme]
Auseklis (Ausrine) [Stellar]
Baba [Spirit]
Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress]
Bagvarti [?]
Bangputys [Sea]
Bannik [Baths]
Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity]
Barastir (Barastaer) [Underworld]
Bardha [Elves]
Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War]
Beng [Satan]
Biegg-Olmai [Wind]
Bogatyri [Heroes]
Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children]
Bolla (Bullar) [Demon]
Buga [Supreme]
Bukura e dheut
[Good Spirit]
Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah]
Byelobog (Bielbog) [?]
Byelun [?]
Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?]
Chors [Sun]
Dabog [Sun]
Deive [Stone Spirits]
Dieva deli [?]
Dievini [Less Known Gods]
Dievs [Sky]
Djall [Devil]
Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household]
Donbittir [Water/Fish]
Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods]
Dud [Heavenly Spirit]
Dvorovoi [Courtyard]
Dyavo [Demons]
En [?]
Erlik [King of the Dead]
Es [Sky]
Fatit [Destiny]
Fene [Demon]
Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire]
Gabjauja [Corn]
Giltine [Death]
Guta [Demon]
Hadur [War]
Himavat [Himalayas]
Horagalles [War]
Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate]
Isten [Supreme]
Jagaubis [Fire]
Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War]
Jessis [avatar Jupiter]
Jumis [Fertility]
Juras Mate [Water]
Kaka-Guia [Funerary]
Kalvis [Smith]
Karta [Fate]
Kaukas [?]
Khors [Health/Hunting]
Khyung-gai mGo-can [?]
Kikimora [Household]
K'op'ala [Protective]
Kukuth (Kukudhi) [Sickness]
Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon]
Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon]
Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs]
Kurdalaegon [Blacksmiths]
Laima [Fate]
Lamaria [Hearth]
Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest]
Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility]
Laume [Fairy]
Leshy [Forest]
Lha [Bon Gods]
Lhamo [?]
Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs]
Ljubi [Demon]
Manzasiri [Primeval]
Mate [Mother]
Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth]
Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods]
Meness [Moon]
Menulis [Moon]
Meza Mate [Nature]
Mirsa [Light]
Mokos [Fertility]
Mu (rMu) [Heavenly]
Muma Padura [Wood]
Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon]
Nang Lha [Household]
Nari [Demon]
Nari [Sky]
Num [Sky]
Odqan [Fire]
Ora [Protective]
Ordog [Dark]
Pekar (Pehar) [Demon]
Peko [Barley]
Perendi [Jehovah]
Perit [Mountain Spirits]
Perkons [Thunder]
Perkunas [Thunder]
Perun (Peroun) [Thunder]
Polevik [Field]
Poludnitsa [Field]
Pon [Sky]
Porenutius (Porevit) [?]
Preas Eyn [?]
Preas Eyssaur [Destructive]
Preas Prohm [Primeval]
Prende (Prenne) [Love]
Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday]
Pugu [Sun]
Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]
Rugievit [War]
Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands]
Safa [Weapens]
Sanda [?]
Sarkany [Weather]
Saule [Sun]
Saules meitas [?]
Selardi [Moon]
Shen-Lha-od-dkar [Bon]
Shen-rab [Founder Bon]
Sipe Gyalmo [Bon]
Shiwini [Sun]
Shosshu [Smiths]
Siwini [Sun]
Srat [Demon]
Sri [Demon]
Sridevi [?]
Stribog [Winds]
Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture]
Svarog [Sky]
Syen [Guardian]
Stihi [Demon]
Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith]
Telyaveli [Smiths]
Tengri [Heavenly Beings]
Tesheba [Weather]
Thab-lha [Hearth]
Triglav (Trigelawus) [War]
Uacilla [Thunder/Rain]
Ulgen [Creator]
Urme [Fate]
Usins [?]
Vadatajs [Evil]
Vampire [Soul of Dead]
Veela [Kindess]
Veja mate [Winds]
Veles (Volos) [Underworld]
Velnias [Devil]
Velu mate [Dead]
Verbti [Fire/North Wind]
Vila [Water]
Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf]
Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf]
Vodnik [Demon]
Vodyanoi [Water]
Volos (Volusu) [Cattle]
We [Supreme]
Xhindi [Spirits]
Yarilo [Love]
Zaltys [Grass Snake]
Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [Supreme]
Zemes mate [Mother]
Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth]
Zorya [Guardian]
Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star]
SIBERIAN GODS
Ai Tojon [Light]
Ajysyt [Mother]
Anky-Kele [Sea]
Ayi [Creator]
Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters]
Hinkon [Death Demon]
K'daai [Fire Demon]
Kaltes [The Goddess]
Ke'lets [Death Demon]
Kurkil [Creator]
Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit]
Mayin [Supreme]
Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]
Shurdi [Thunderstorms]
Tomam [Bird]
Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator]
Xucau [Supreme]
Ye'loje (Pugu) [Sun]
Why? Were they scholars
who were convinced by the scholarly evidence in support of the
divinity of Jesus? I doubt it. They beleived in a god in the first
place, and they recognized the powerful truth behind the christian
teachings about God. That is why paganism was dropped.
The most powerful proof in support of christianity is in the inherent
truth and power of the teachings themselves. It has proven itself over
and over again.
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Why? Were they scholars
who were convinced by the scholarly evidence in support of the
divinity of Jesus? I doubt it. They beleived in a god in the first
place, and they recognized the powerful truth behind the christian
teachings about God. That is why paganism was dropped.
yeah, exactly, ask the native people about 'christian love'
christianity slaughtered paganism. destroying incan temples and use the
stones for building catholic churches.
pretty disgusting
The most powerful proof in support of christianity is in the inherent
truth and power of the teachings themselves. It has proven itself over
and over again.
you need to buy an alarm clock
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