Religions > Atheism > Bible quote of the day for Aug 6 (his raiment became dazzling white)
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07 Aug 2004 11:27:24 AM |
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Bible quote of the day for Aug 6 (his raiment became dazzling white) |
Luke 9:28-36
28 Now about eight days after these sayings he took with him Peter and
John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray. 29 And as he was
praying, the appearance of his countenance was altered, and his
raiment became dazzling white. 30 And behold, two men talked with him,
Moses and Eli'jah, 31 who appeared in glory and spoke of his
departure, which he was to accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 Now Peter and
those who were with him were heavy with sleep, and when they
wakened they saw his glory and the two men who stood with him. 33 And
as the men were parting from him, Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is
well that we are here; let us make three booths, one for you and one
for Moses and one for Eli'jah" -- not knowing what he said. 34 As he
said this, a cloud came and overshadowed them; and they were afraid as
they entered the cloud. 35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying,
"This is my Son, my Chosen; listen to him!" 36 And when the voice had
spoken, Jesus was found alone. And they kept silence and told no one
in those days anything of what they had seen.
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It could be said that the entire message of Jesus was about the
kingdom and what we must do to get there. However, he really tells us
very little about what it is actually like. He does tell us that our
joy will be complete and we will ask nothing of him. He gave us many
earthly analogies. But still, very little detail as to what it is
actually like. The obvious conclusion is that this place cannot be
described to us with words. We could not understand the magnificence
of it if he tried to tell us. It is too much for us.
So here, instead of telling us something about it--he shows us. Like a
door being opened just a crack, we get to peak inside.
His countenance is altered. Just like after he rose, when he looked
different so that no one recognized him. His face and garments shine
like the sun. Others already passed are there--still alive--and in
glory. Clouds speak.
The magnificence, the wonder, the beauty, the love, the peace of this
place is beyond human comprehension. It is greater than anything that
you can imagine. Develop and maintain a good heart. Follow the
teachings of Jesus. And one day that door will open all the way for
you, and you will walk right in.
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| User: "torch" |
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| Title: Re: Bible quote of the day for Aug 6 (his raiment became dazzling white) |
07 Aug 2004 03:36:25 PM |
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"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
news:51v9h05v5fua2n61k0peqgv2aoli7671bh@4ax.com...
Luke 9:28-36
28 Now about eight days after these sayings he took with him Peter and
John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray. 29 And as he was
praying, the appearance of his countenance was altered, and his
raiment became dazzling white. 30 And behold, two men talked with him,
Moses and Eli'jah, 31 who appeared in glory and spoke of his
departure, which he was to accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 Now Peter and
those who were with him were heavy with sleep, and when they
wakened they saw his glory and the two men who stood with him. 33 And
as the men were parting from him, Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is
well that we are here; let us make three booths, one for you and one
for Moses and one for Eli'jah" -- not knowing what he said. 34 As he
said this, a cloud came and overshadowed them; and they were afraid as
they entered the cloud. 35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying,
"This is my Son, my Chosen; listen to him!" 36 And when the voice had
spoken, Jesus was found alone. And they kept silence and told no one
in those days anything of what they had seen.
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It could be said that the entire message of Jesus was about the
kingdom and what we must do to get there. However, he really tells us
very little about what it is actually like. He does tell us that our
joy will be complete and we will ask nothing of him. He gave us many
earthly analogies. But still, very little detail as to what it is
actually like. The obvious conclusion is that this place cannot be
described to us with words. We could not understand the magnificence
of it if he tried to tell us. It is too much for us.
So here, instead of telling us something about it--he shows us. Like a
door being opened just a crack, we get to peak inside.
His countenance is altered. Just like after he rose, when he looked
different so that no one recognized him. His face and garments shine
like the sun. Others already passed are there--still alive--and in
glory. Clouds speak.
The magnificence, the wonder, the beauty, the love, the peace of this
place is beyond human comprehension. It is greater than anything that
you can imagine.
This is just total crap - but what I really dont understand is how people
like you buy it, are you really that stupid that you have not thought this
through?. You are going to be in this place for eternity - this is not just
a long time - it wouldnt matter how magnificent, wonderful, loving, peaceful
etc the place is, I suspect you might get a little bored after say a
thousand years? a million years? a billion years, a trillion years?. If I
thought this had any possibility of being true I would be completely
terrified.
What defines us as humans is our creativity, our struggle against adversity,
the light and dark of our lives, our finite existence - all these things
define us - if you just take some part of your consciousness and plonk into
some place of eternal bliss where nothing bad happens - this is not human
and it certainly isnt a life.
Develop and maintain a good heart. Follow the
teachings of Jesus. And one day that door will open all the way for
you, and you will walk right in.
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| User: "homer" |
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| Title: Re: Bible quote of the day for Aug 6 (his raiment became dazzling white) |
07 Aug 2004 10:48:47 PM |
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On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:36:25 +0100, "torch" <torch@torch.com> wrote:
"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
news:51v9h05v5fua2n61k0peqgv2aoli7671bh@4ax.com...
Luke 9:28-36
28 Now about eight days after these sayings he took with him Peter and
John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray. 29 And as he was
praying, the appearance of his countenance was altered, and his
raiment became dazzling white. 30 And behold, two men talked with him,
Moses and Eli'jah, 31 who appeared in glory and spoke of his
departure, which he was to accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 Now Peter and
those who were with him were heavy with sleep, and when they
wakened they saw his glory and the two men who stood with him. 33 And
as the men were parting from him, Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is
well that we are here; let us make three booths, one for you and one
for Moses and one for Eli'jah" -- not knowing what he said. 34 As he
said this, a cloud came and overshadowed them; and they were afraid as
they entered the cloud. 35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying,
"This is my Son, my Chosen; listen to him!" 36 And when the voice had
spoken, Jesus was found alone. And they kept silence and told no one
in those days anything of what they had seen.
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It could be said that the entire message of Jesus was about the
kingdom and what we must do to get there. However, he really tells us
very little about what it is actually like. He does tell us that our
joy will be complete and we will ask nothing of him. He gave us many
earthly analogies. But still, very little detail as to what it is
actually like. The obvious conclusion is that this place cannot be
described to us with words. We could not understand the magnificence
of it if he tried to tell us. It is too much for us.
So here, instead of telling us something about it--he shows us. Like a
door being opened just a crack, we get to peak inside.
His countenance is altered. Just like after he rose, when he looked
different so that no one recognized him. His face and garments shine
like the sun. Others already passed are there--still alive--and in
glory. Clouds speak.
The magnificence, the wonder, the beauty, the love, the peace of this
place is beyond human comprehension. It is greater than anything that
you can imagine.
This is just total crap - but what I really dont understand is how people
like you buy it, are you really that stupid that you have not thought this
through?. You are going to be in this place for eternity - this is not just
a long time - it wouldnt matter how magnificent, wonderful, loving, peaceful
etc the place is, I suspect you might get a little bored after say a
thousand years? a million years? a billion years, a trillion years?. If I
thought this had any possibility of being true I would be completely
terrified.
I think that a careful reading of the teachings of Jesus would
convince you that time is a uniquely human concept. It does not exist
in the kingdom, and in our life to come.
What defines us as humans is our creativity, our struggle against adversity,
the light and dark of our lives, our finite existence - all these things
define us - if you just take some part of your consciousness and plonk into
some place of eternal bliss where nothing bad happens - this is not human
and it certainly isnt a life.
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: Bible quote of the day for Aug 6 (his raiment became dazzling white) |
08 Aug 2004 06:18:14 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 03:48:47 GMT, homer <xxx@xxx.com> with calm
deliberation, and malace aforethought, wrote:
I think that a careful reading of the teachings of Jesus would
convince you that time is a uniquely human concept. It does not exist
in the kingdom, and in our life to come.
This is quite illogical.
If there is no time, then there no duration, no continuity, no
existence.
Eternity requires the concept of time, in order to be meaningful.
If there is no time there, then your "Eternal kingdom", cannot exist.
A careful reading of the teachings of Jesus, tells you, (assuming such
a person ever existed), what other people thought he said, or should
have said, fifty, to a hundred-and-fifty, years after he died.
Much of the NT, echoes other mythologies, and philosophys, already
existent at that time. There is nothing new in there, and certainly
nothing to lead you to believe it was a special message from a god.
--
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "" |
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08 Aug 2004 02:16:25 PM |
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On 8-Aug-2004, Puck Greenman <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
This is quite illogical.
If there is no time, then there no duration, no continuity, no
existence.
Eternity requires the concept of time, in order to be meaningful.
If there is no time there, then your "Eternal kingdom", cannot exist.
Time is only a measure of change. It is NOTHING else. Something that doesn't
change, ie. God, has no use for time. Us, our world, and everything in it is
constantly changing, therefore, we perceive time.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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08 Aug 2004 05:09:50 PM |
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On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:16:25 GMT, wrote:
On 8-Aug-2004, Puck Greenman <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
This is quite illogical.
If there is no time, then there no duration, no continuity, no
existence.
Eternity requires the concept of time, in order to be meaningful.
If there is no time there, then your "Eternal kingdom", cannot exist.
Time is only a measure of change. It is NOTHING else. Something that doesn't
change, ie. God, has no use for time. Us, our world, and everything in it is
constantly changing, therefore, we perceive time.
Bwahahaha!
What a crock of *****!
Try putting a little salt into your word soup.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
Jesus is just another cuss word.
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| User: "" |
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08 Aug 2004 05:57:32 PM |
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On 8-Aug-2004, Steve Knight <whooly@sonic.net> wrote:
Time is only a measure of change. It is NOTHING else. Something that
doesn't
change, ie. God, has no use for time. Us, our world, and everything in it
is
constantly changing, therefore, we perceive time.
Bwahahaha!
What a crock of *****!
Try putting a little salt into your word soup.
Okay, Einstein, you define it... No, 'crock of *****' doesn't quite cover it,
give us something you actually thought about.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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08 Aug 2004 08:42:28 PM |
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On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:57:32 GMT, wrote:
On 8-Aug-2004, Steve Knight <whooly@sonic.net> wrote:
Time is only a measure of change. It is NOTHING else. Something that
doesn't
change, ie. God, has no use for time. Us, our world, and everything in it
is
constantly changing, therefore, we perceive time.
Bwahahaha!
What a crock of *****!
Try putting a little salt into your word soup.
Okay, Einstein, you define it... No, 'crock of *****' doesn't quite cover it,
give us something you actually thought about.
Sure, Dumbo. If time doesn't exist for your magic pixie, when did
it decide to create the universe? If your god is without beginning or
end and is eternal, at what point in it's existence did it figure it
was time to Big Bang?
How long does it take Stick Boy to walk across the cloud and kiss
Daddy's feet? A second, a year, a million years or all of the latter?
Reality and time are synonymous. You can't have one without the
other. If your Pixie exists, no matter the reality, it must have time.
Oh, and I've heard the preposterous lie about your Pixie existing
'out of reality'. That is the definition for not existing. Another
attribute your god shares with Superman and Batman. By your
definition, they are out of time too.
You're giving your god attributes not in evidence which either
makes you a liar for superstition or a brainwashed fool.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "" |
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09 Aug 2004 04:20:14 PM |
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On 8-Aug-2004, Steve Knight <whooly@sonic.net> wrote:
Okay, Einstein, you define it... No, 'crock of *****' doesn't quite cover
it,
give us something you actually thought about.
Sure, Dumbo. If time doesn't exist for your magic pixie, when did
it decide to create the universe? If your god is without beginning or
end and is eternal, at what point in it's existence did it figure it
was time to Big Bang?
That's an issue that's as unclear to theists as it is for atheists. The 'big
bang' is only a theory, and despite all our knowledge, astronomers can't
account for 95% of the universe (ie. dark matter). But, assuming that 'big
bang' is what actually happened, that quantum singularity that went 'bang'
was (is) God. It was timeless, changless, eternal... until one day...
Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
How long does it take Stick Boy to walk across the cloud and kiss
Daddy's feet? A second, a year, a million years or all of the latter?
Stick Boy and Daddy are one. They are two extensions of the same being, and
along with The Ghost, form the Trinity.
Reality and time are synonymous. You can't have one without the
other. If your Pixie exists, no matter the reality, it must have time.
If something is eternal, and doesn't change... does it really 'have time'?
Think about it carefully.
Oh, and I've heard the preposterous lie about your Pixie existing
'out of reality'. That is the definition for not existing. Another
attribute your god shares with Superman and Batman. By your
definition, they are out of time too.
That's a good point, actually. It would stand to reason that something that
is 'out of reality' isn't real. God, however, *IS* reality.
You're giving your god attributes not in evidence which either
makes you a liar for superstition or a brainwashed fool.
It's just logic, actually. An eternal, omnipotent being must have a certain
nature. Sure, it's hard to get your brain around, but so are many other more
'scientific' concepts that we take for granted.
H.
"The man who knows of the universe of spirit walks upright, the materialist
hugs the Earth."
- FJ Sheed
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| User: "David V." |
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10 Aug 2004 01:26:08 AM |
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On 8-Aug-2004, Steve Knight <whooly@sonic.net> wrote:
Okay, Einstein, you define it... No, 'crock of *****'
doesn't quite cover it,
give us something you actually thought about.
Sure, Dumbo. If time doesn't exist for your magic
pixie, when did it decide to create the universe? If
your god is without beginning or end and is eternal, at
what point in it's existence did it figure it was time
to Big Bang?
That's an issue that's as unclear to theists as it is for
atheists. The 'big bang' is only a theory, and despite
all our knowledge, astronomers can't account for 95% of
the universe...
Old info. You seriously need to get updated on these things.
That way you can't get away with such lies.
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David V.
UDP for WebTV
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| User: "" |
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10 Aug 2004 03:48:01 PM |
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On 10-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
That's an issue that's as unclear to theists as it is for
atheists. The 'big bang' is only a theory, and despite
all our knowledge, astronomers can't account for 95% of
the universe...
Old info. You seriously need to get updated on these things.
That way you can't get away with such lies.
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Oh goodie! Dave is going to enlighten us on how the 'big bang' is no longer
a theory, but a FACT. Not only that, he'll explain what 'dark matter' is!
Okay Dr. Dave, the podium's yours....
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| User: "David V." |
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11 Aug 2004 01:11:52 AM |
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On 10-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
That's an issue that's as unclear to theists as it is
for atheists. The 'big bang' is only a theory, and
despite all our knowledge, astronomers can't account
for 95% of the universe...
Old info. You seriously need to get updated on these
things. That way you can't get away with such lies.
Oh goodie! Dave is going to enlighten us on how the 'big
bang' is no longer a theory, but a FACT. Not only that,
he'll explain what 'dark matter' is! Okay Dr. Dave, the
podium's yours....
Where did I say anything about the Big Bang? I just said
that your info is wrong, as it usually is.
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David V.
UDP for WebTV
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11 Aug 2004 04:52:47 PM |
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On 11-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh goodie! Dave is going to enlighten us on how the 'big
bang' is no longer a theory, but a FACT. Not only that,
he'll explain what 'dark matter' is! Okay Dr. Dave, the
podium's yours....
Where did I say anything about the Big Bang? I just said
that your info is wrong, as it usually is.
Oh. So... uh... If you think it's wrong... shouldn't you at least say why,
or give your opinion? I mean, if you're going to post, why not? Or, are you
just the official 'wrong answer buzzer'
Hugh: "I'll take Religion for $100, Alex."
Alex: "He created the universe in 6 days."
<bzzt!>
Alex: "Hugh!"
Hugh: "Who is God?"
Dave: "buuzzz! You're wrong, get out of here!"
Alex: "But the judges say-"
Dave: "Well, they're idiots too!"
Hugh: "Do I get the home version on CD?
Dave: "Shut up!"
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| User: "David V." |
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11 Aug 2004 07:33:41 PM |
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On 11-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh goodie! Dave is going to enlighten us on how the
'big bang' is no longer a theory, but a FACT. Not
only that, he'll explain what 'dark matter' is! Okay
Dr. Dave, the podium's yours....
Where did I say anything about the Big Bang? I just
said that your info is wrong, as it usually is.
Oh. So... uh... If you think it's wrong... shouldn't you
at least say why
Why would I waste my time trying to educate you when it's
obvious that you don't want the truth?
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David V.
UDP for WebTV
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| User: "" |
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11 Aug 2004 08:17:26 PM |
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On 11-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh. So... uh... If you think it's wrong... shouldn't you
at least say why
Why would I waste my time trying to educate you when it's
obvious that you don't want the truth?
....because you don't want me thinking that your entire life philosophy can
be summed up by the statement: "It's a crock of *****."?
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| User: "David V." |
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11 Aug 2004 11:42:26 PM |
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On 11-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh. So... uh... If you think it's wrong... shouldn't
you at least say why
Why would I waste my time trying to educate you when
it's obvious that you don't want the truth?
...because you don't want me thinking
No, you've shown it's impossible for you to think, but then
if did start thinking you'd see just how stupid you really are.
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David V.
UDP for WebTV
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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11 Aug 2004 11:05:07 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:17:26 GMT, wrote:
On 11-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh. So... uh... If you think it's wrong... shouldn't you
at least say why
Why would I waste my time trying to educate you when it's
obvious that you don't want the truth?
...because you don't want me thinking that your entire life philosophy can
be summed up by the statement: "It's a crock of *****."?
Your belief 'is' a crock of *****. You come into our newsgroup and
bleat superstitious ignorance and we end up having to dumb down trying
to explain your fantasy to you. Duh.
Most of the posters in a.a. believed in Pixie Boy at one time and
then came to their senses. Lucky for me I was born atheist and stayed
atheist. They have a lot more to say than I do about superstition when
it comes to being brainwashed. For me, I've always been on the outside
looking in and it's some pretty spooky *****.
The history of your superstition is better known for hate,
intolerance, human atrocities and a Rainbow of offenses against life.
But you will never accept there being no god. God is the adult
'blankie'.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "walksalone" |
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12 Aug 2004 06:41:54 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:17:26 GMT, wrote:
On 11-Aug-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh. So... uh... If you think it's wrong... shouldn't you
at least say why
Why would I waste my time trying to educate you when it's
obvious that you don't want the truth?
...because you don't want me thinking that your entire life philosophy can
Well now, mayhap that is his philosophy, or maybe not. Neither of us will
likely ever know now will we. moth, ran out of uncle sappy's troll removal
creme, ran out of patience, ran out of willingness to accept those that are
apparently out to score points for their side only. Lots of possibility's
where you are concerned Hugh, you have a tendency, at least in AA, to ty to
worry a turd out of a ***** eating dog. Your privilege of course, as far as
I am concerned. But others may not see it that way, & for them, they are
right, just as right as you ever can be.
be summed up by the statement: "It's a crock of *****."?
No, I don';t think that's his outlook. Never paid that much attention.
Though I can say the average bleaters philosophy of life is that or worse.
Otherwise they would not need a means of invisible support.
Now as to the other believers in the various myths, can't say. But the
bleaters, yes, that does seem to be the sum total; of their life. They
can't wait to get out, & even though their grimorie does not forbid it,
lack the guts to go peacefully. Ever wonder why so many xians live in
hospitals & Doctor's waiting rooms. Isn't that refusing a god given gift.
Mind you, I agree that life is worth fighting for, but that is a bit
hypocritical of a bleater. They are supposedly on a hurry to meet their
masters for eternity.
walksalone who would not be surprised if the BB was true, or false.
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Edible, adj.: Good to eat, and wholesome to digest, as a worm to a toad, a
toad to a snake, a snake to a pig, a pig to a man, and a man to a worm.
-Ambrose Bierce, writer (1842-1914)
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12 Aug 2004 06:36:19 PM |
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On 12-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
Well now, mayhap that is his philosophy, or maybe not. Neither of us will
likely ever know now will we. moth, ran out of uncle sappy's troll removal
creme, ran out of patience, ran out of willingness to accept those that
are
apparently out to score points for their side only. Lots of possibility's
It's rare to see Dave express anything other than 'Nope. You're wrong' or
'You're full of *****.' or 'You're an idiot'. I thought, if he's going to
make such a pronouncement, he should at least back it up with facts, data,
opinions, anything. I do have an annoying tendency to keep poking people who
don't want to be poked, however. Grouchy people *need* to be aggravated,
don't they?
be summed up by the statement: "It's a crock of *****."?
No, I don';t think that's his outlook. Never paid that much attention.
Though I can say the average bleaters philosophy of life is that or
worse.
Otherwise they would not need a means of invisible support.
God made us from nothing, and keeps us in existence by His will. If He quit,
we would return to... nothing. So, He gives us a little more than support.
Now as to the other believers in the various myths, can't say. But the
bleaters, yes, that does seem to be the sum total; of their life. They
can't wait to get out
To live our lives to the fullest so as to glorify Him, is the closest I've
come to figuring out the meaning of life.
, & even though their grimorie does not forbid it,
lack the guts to go peacefully.
Do you mean suicide? That's a grave sin, and the 'grimoire' does forbid it.
Ever wonder why so many xians live in
hospitals & Doctor's waiting rooms. Isn't that refusing a god given gift.
Mind you, I agree that life is worth fighting for, but that is a bit
hypocritical of a bleater. They are supposedly on a hurry to meet their
masters for eternity.
Death is not to be feared, but not putting a decent effort into hanging on
to life is disrespectful.
H
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"To my friends: My work is done. Why wait?"
(Suicide note.)
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On 12-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
Well now, mayhap that is his philosophy, or maybe not.
Neither of us will likely ever know now will we. moth,
ran out of uncle sappy's troll removal creme, ran out
of patience, ran out of willingness to accept those
that are apparently out to score points for their side
only. Lots of possibility's
It's rare to see Dave express anything other than 'Nope.
You're wrong' or 'You're full of *****.' or 'You're an
idiot'.
That's because you're not worth the bother to try and
educate. Your arguments are so inane that they're insulting.
Maybe if you tried addressing me in a mature, intelligent,
manner you just might get the same kind of response.
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:36:19 GMT, wrote:
On 12-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
Well now, mayhap that is his philosophy, or maybe not. Neither of us will
likely ever know now will we. moth, ran out of uncle sappy's troll removal
creme, ran out of patience, ran out of willingness to accept those that
are
apparently out to score points for their side only. Lots of possibility's
It's rare to see Dave express anything other than 'Nope. You're wrong' or
'You're full of *****.' or 'You're an idiot'. I thought, if he's going to
Well, mayhap you are, as per your example below.
make such a pronouncement, he should at least back it up with facts, data,
opinions, anything. I do have an annoying tendency to keep poking people who
don't want to be poked, however. Grouchy people *need* to be aggravated,
don't they?
Not really, especially if its people like yourself that made them grouchy.
be summed up by the statement: "It's a crock of *****."?
No, I don';t think that's his outlook. Never paid that much attention.
Though I can say the average bleaters philosophy of life is that or
worse.
Otherwise they would not need a means of invisible support.
God made us from nothing, and keeps us in existence by His will. If He quit,
As I said above, this comment, offered all by itself, is a crock of *****,
those that espouse it are idiots.
Everyone knows there are gods, & that no god made humanity from nothing,
not even El, the original Canaanite god that got shagged into playing the
creator of the proto Jews. Even your grimorie does not say nothing was here
when El showed up with a hangover & a case of the *****. There was the void,
the waters & the earth.
we would return to... nothing. So, He gives us a little more than support.
According to you, you are already nothing until you die. But it is your
myth as long as you don't push it, I care less.
Now as to the other believers in the various myths, can't say. But the
bleaters, yes, that does seem to be the sum total; of their life. They
can't wait to get out
To live our lives to the fullest so as to glorify Him, is the closest I've
come to figuring out the meaning of life.
I'll go you one, out of several better. To have lived in a manner that
makes others smile when you show up, a little sad when you leave, & your
children love you is a good as it gets. I have been in heaven, several
times in my life. In the arms of a loving woman is real close, in the arms
of a small child that calls you father is as close to a heaven as a person
can get.
You might say that if you do not influence others in a positive manner, hen
you are a failure as a human being. No gods required.
Generally speaking, more people know me & grin when I show up than I know.
Not to bad for an old geezer that is known to have cursed every god he was
told about, vigorously. If you know of any I missed, please let me know, I
would not want any to feel left out.
, & even though their grimorie does not forbid it,
lack the guts to go peacefully.
Do you mean suicide? That's a grave sin, and the 'grimoire' does forbid it.
Care to show me the passage then? Not where thous shalt not tempt your god,
but where suicide is forbidden. You see, I have to explain to an eight year
old & her brother why their grandmother who was in intense pain 24/7/365 &
was given a prognoses with more on the way took her life, & if there is a
god that loves people that were good & decent, would not permit her into
the xian heaven.
That is bad enough, I am also having to explain why a loving god would give
such gifts to a good & loving woman.
These kids will not settle for ***** Hugh, so I need that information.
No Papal Bull will do, I don't care how thin the xian population got due to
martyrs.
Ever wonder why so many xians live in
hospitals & Doctor's waiting rooms. Isn't that refusing a god given gift.
Mind you, I agree that life is worth fighting for, but that is a bit
hypocritical of a bleater. They are supposedly on a hurry to meet their
masters for eternity.
Death is not to be feared, but not putting a decent effort into hanging on
to life is disrespectful.
Wait, did you just write that & not pay attention. Are you not to be
grateful for all the gifts from your gods, are you to reject them then? Why
bother to have a god if you are going to do that?
H
walksalone who suspects Hugh just went into the auto-answer mode, it sure
looked like it.
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saying, in other words, that he is wiser today than he was yesterday.
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12 Aug 2004 09:33:31 PM |
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On 12-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
It's rare to see Dave express anything other than 'Nope. You're wrong' or
'You're full of *****.' or 'You're an idiot'. I thought, if he's going to
Well, mayhap you are, as per your example below.
make such a pronouncement, he should at least back it up with facts,
data,
opinions, anything. I do have an annoying tendency to keep poking people
who
don't want to be poked, however. Grouchy people *need* to be aggravated,
don't they?
Not really, especially if its people like yourself that made them grouchy.
Okay, granted, Dave has ...issues...
As I said above, this comment, offered all by itself, is a crock of *****,
those that espouse it are idiots.
Now, now. It's Intelligent Design vs. Great Big Cosmic Level Coincidence.
Both theories appear goofy at first.
Everyone knows there are gods, & that no god made humanity from nothing,
Whether we were intelligently designed or the tornado ripped through the
junk yard and left behind a brand new Cadillac. Either way, consensus is,
that the universe ultimately sprung from *nothing*, nes pas?
not even El, the original Canaanite god that got shagged into playing the
creator of the proto Jews. Even your grimorie does not say nothing was
here
when El showed up with a hangover & a case of the *****. There was the void,
the waters & the earth.
'Void' means nothing. You can't have waters and earth AND nothing. Nothing
is nothing. Heck, Genesis is allegorical anyway, if you were God, how would
inspire some prehistoric nomad to describe the creation of the universe?
we would return to... nothing. So, He gives us a little more than
support.
According to you, you are already nothing until you die. But it is your
myth as long as you don't push it, I care less.
According to who? We are unique in the universe, being the crux between the
world of spirit and the world of matter. We are the greatest of the animals,
but the least of spirits. Dead, we are just inadequate angels... until the
last day... but that's a different topic.
To live our lives to the fullest so as to glorify Him, is the closest
I've
come to figuring out the meaning of life.
I'll go you one, out of several better. To have lived in a manner that
makes others smile when you show up, a little sad when you leave, & your
children love you is a good as it gets. I have been in heaven, several
times in my life. In the arms of a loving woman is real close, in the arms
of a small child that calls you father is as close to a heaven as a person
can get.
You might say that if you do not influence others in a positive manner,
hen
you are a failure as a human being. No gods required.
Generally speaking, more people know me & grin when I show up than I know.
Not to bad for an old geezer that is known to have cursed every god he was
told about, vigorously. If you know of any I missed, please let me know, I
would not want any to feel left out.
My God smiles upon you, for all the reasons you just described. Curse Him
all you wish, but you have succeeded in glorifying Him in through your
actions. After all, what we do, counts for more that what we say, and you
seem to have accomplished what He put you here for.
Nuts. Have to sign off. One of those 'life' things. No cop out, will be
back.
harried hugh
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12 Aug 2004 10:44:14 PM |
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On 12-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
It's rare to see Dave express anything other than
'Nope. You're wrong' or
'You're full of *****.' or 'You're an idiot'. I
thought, if he's going to
Well, mayhap you are, as per your example below.
make such a pronouncement, he should at least back it
up with facts, data, opinions, anything. I do have an
annoying tendency to keep poking people who don't
want to be poked, however. Grouchy people *need* to
be aggravated, don't they?
Not really, especially if its people like yourself that
made them grouchy.
Okay, granted, Dave has ...issues...
Yes; morons trying to argue things beyond their
comprehension, and christian nutcases pushing their religion
into newsgroups like this one, alt.recovery.religion, where
they are not wanted. If you were to stop crossposting to
this newsgroup you'd never hear from me again.
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13 Aug 2004 04:38:40 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:33:31 GMT, wrote:
On 12-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
As I said above, this comment, offered all by itself, is a crock of *****,
those that espouse it are idiots.
Now, now. It's Intelligent Design vs. Great Big Cosmic Level Coincidence.
That is not correct, its Intelligent Design v natural processes.
Both theories appear goofy at first.
Intelligent design is not a scientific theory - it doesn't meet any of
the essential requirements.
Everyone knows there are gods, & that no god made humanity from nothing,
Whether we were intelligently designed or the tornado ripped through the
junk yard and left behind a brand new Cadillac. Either way, consensus is,
that the universe ultimately sprung from *nothing*, nes pas?
I didn't think ID had anything to say about the origins of the
universe
not even El, the original Canaanite god that got shagged into playing the
creator of the proto Jews. Even your grimorie does not say nothing was
here
when El showed up with a hangover & a case of the *****. There was the void,
the waters & the earth.
'Void' means nothing. You can't have waters and earth AND nothing. Nothing
is nothing. Heck, Genesis is allegorical anyway, if you were God, how would
inspire some prehistoric nomad to describe the creation of the universe?
Probably inspire him to tell it as it is. That would prevent the
embarrassment later when it is seen how it actually happened.
we would return to... nothing. So, He gives us a little more than
support.
According to you, you are already nothing until you die. But it is your
myth as long as you don't push it, I care less.
According to who? We are unique in the universe, being the crux between the
world of spirit and the world of matter. We are the greatest of the animals,
but the least of spirits. Dead, we are just inadequate angels... until the
last day... but that's a different topic.
Do have any evidence to support this assertion?
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13 Aug 2004 09:24:19 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:33:31 GMT, wrote:
On 12-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
It's rare to see Dave express anything other than 'Nope. You're wrong' or
'You're full of *****.' or 'You're an idiot'. I thought, if he's going to
Well, mayhap you are, as per your example below.
make such a pronouncement, he should at least back it up with facts,
data,
opinions, anything. I do have an annoying tendency to keep poking people
who
don't want to be poked, however. Grouchy people *need* to be aggravated,
don't they?
Not really, especially if its people like yourself that made them grouchy.
Okay, granted, Dave has ...issues...
What, with rude people that post their tripe where it is not only
unwelcome, but insulting. Say the recovery group.
I can understand that.
Or the blithe air of idiocy by bleaters & some other theists that proclaim
as valid what they can not know?
Maybe it is the in your face claims to ethical & spiritual [whatever the
hell that is] superiority of some bleaters.
Maybe it is the attempted browbeating quoting of apologetic authors that
have been shown in error throughout the century's?
Or maybe you have bad breath & it comes through his monitor.
Or maybe he is just weary of the inane insipid flaccid floppy baseless
claims of the bleater brigade & their supporters. IK know it is enough to
try my patience from time to time.
As I said above, this comment, offered all by itself, is a crock of *****,
those that espouse it are idiots.
Now, now. It's Intelligent Design vs. Great Big Cosmic Level Coincidence.
Both theories appear goofy at first.
Hint, explain the theory [& use the word properly in its scientific sense,
wild *****\d guess<=> theory] of intelligent design, then compare that to the
fact of random chance [aren't we lucky though] & natural events.
Everyone knows there are gods, & that no god made humanity from nothing,
Whether we were intelligently designed or the tornado ripped through the
junk yard and left behind a brand new Cadillac. Either way, consensus is,
that the universe ultimately sprung from *nothing*, nes pas?
No, it is not, but then, you are in bleater mode so this is no shock. Try a
book, non apologetic with no axe to grind called *the whole shebang* for
the theory's [as in plural] of what happened, & how they stood at the time
of publication.
BTW, the only correct answer is we do not know but we are aware of how it
could not have happed. ID is one of those ways. It has no theory, just wild
assed claims.
not even El, the original Canaanite god that got shagged into playing the
creator of the proto Jews. Even your grimorie does not say nothing was
here
when El showed up with a hangover & a case of the *****. There was the void,
the waters & the earth.
'Void' means nothing. You can't have waters and earth AND nothing. Nothing
Void has at least two definitions, & apparently the second one does not
appeal to you, one is a state of nothing, the other is a vast emptiness.
Add to that you have no concept of how the terms were used originally. Quit
fibbing.
is nothing. Heck, Genesis is allegorical anyway, if you were God, how would
Of course its allegorical, but that does not stop some from believing it.
Add to that, it begs the question, if the main event is allegorical, what
else is, where are the limits, who defines. Are you really sure you want to
open that can of worms. Recall that many of the atheists posting here can
take your grimorie apart because they were like you, & maybe even more so.
They just read the entire grimorie without any approved study aids.
inspire some prehistoric nomad to describe the creation of the universe?
Wrong question, if god exists, how could he fail to impress a hill bandit
[the likely sources for the proto Hebrews] with the knowledge of solar disc
accretion, solar dynamics, planetary formation, et all. After all, it is
god & god can do anything, it wants to is not a dodge allowed here. Either
it could, or it could not.
we would return to... nothing. So, He gives us a little more than
support.
According to you, you are already nothing until you die. But it is your
myth as long as you don't push it, I care less.
According to who? We are unique in the universe, being the crux between the
According top you, you have no value until you croak & start singing
insipid paltry hymns of praise for eternity to a set of insecure gods that
require that.
world of spirit and the world of matter. We are the greatest of the animals,
No, that we are not, not even counting the Blue whale, we are not the
greatest. mayhap the most ingenious, but greatest, no . We have nations
that are nuclear giants, & ethical midgets.
We have 1/3rd of the total population that care only for themselves, they,
along with the followers of the other desert myths of the mid east seek
only their continuation in an afterlife. A afterlife not required by any
science, or common sense [if there is any left].
but the least of spirits. Dead, we are just inadequate angels... until the
last day... but that's a different topic.
Its what you live for Hugh, glad its you & not me.
Your myth holds no appeal for me, nor the majority of the worlds
population.
To live our lives to the fullest so as to glorify Him, is the closest
I've
come to figuring out the meaning of life.
I'll go you one, out of several better. To have lived in a manner that
makes others smile when you show up, a little sad when you leave, & your
children love you is a good as it gets. I have been in heaven, several
times in my life. In the arms of a loving woman is real close, in the arms
of a small child that calls you father is as close to a heaven as a person
can get.
You might say that if you do not influence others in a positive manner,
hen
you are a failure as a human being. No gods required.
Generally speaking, more people know me & grin when I show up than I know.
Not to bad for an old geezer that is known to have cursed every god he was
told about, vigorously. If you know of any I missed, please let me know, I
would not want any to feel left out.
My God smiles upon you, for all the reasons you just described. Curse Him
Which god Hugh, your pantheon alone claims four major gods, & minor gods
beyond my ability to count, yours too I suspect.
As to cursing the gods, it is a futile exercise in vocabulary construction.
You see, unlike you, I know it is in vain, for there is no one home. Just
as when you pray to your gods, the same audience is there, & is an empty
hall. Always has been far as I can tell.
all you wish, but you have succeeded in glorifying Him in through your
actions. After all, what we do, counts for more that what we say, and you
Not at all, I have succeeded in having a full life in spite of your gods &
their sheep. You see, I enforced my personal ethics on me, no gods
required. I decided how I would live my life, no gods required. I am & was
the deciding agent every time. Even when I was military, nothing I did was
without my consent. I still have a few orders in writing where the officer
that gave them screwed up, but it was his ***** & neither mine nor my troops.
seem to have accomplished what He put you here for.
According to you, but that begs the question, did Pol Pot & his ilk
throughout history accomplish what your claimed god put them here for?
Nuts. Have to sign off. One of those 'life' things. No cop out, will be
back.
Hell, be a man, hang it out the damn window like real men[tm] do.
harried hugh
walksalone who used to be harried, then he got a life.
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ABASEMENT, n. A decent and customary mental attitude in the
presence of wealth of power. Peculiarly appropriate in an
employee when addressing an employer.
Devils dictionary
addmendum: or their gods
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On 13-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
Okay, granted, Dave has ...issues...
What, with rude people that post their tripe where it is not only
unwelcome, but insulting. Say the recovery group.
I can understand that.
Well, let's suppose EvilEd stops cross-posting his tripe to the recovery
group, or puts a disclaimer on each daily posting: "By posting this, I am
NOT inviting discussion. It's sole purpose is to denigrate your personal
spiritual beliefs." That oughta do it.
Or the blithe air of idiocy by bleaters & some other theists that proclaim
as valid what they can not know?
Oh, like Intelligent Design? You're right, I cannot know that's true. But on
the other hand, an atheist cannot know that Millions of Fortunate
Coincidences in Sequence is right either.
Maybe it is the in your face claims to ethical & spiritual [whatever the
hell that is] superiority of some bleaters.
Yeah, that's freakin' irritating.
Maybe it is the attempted browbeating quoting of apologetic authors that
have been shown in error throughout the century's?
Gee, who hasn't been shown to be in error? Darwin? oops, him too.
Or maybe you have bad breath & it comes through his monitor.
Or maybe he is just weary of the inane insipid flaccid floppy baseless
claims of the bleater brigade & their supporters. IK know it is enough to
try my patience from time to time.
Oh shucks, the LAST thing we should be doing is attempting to counter the
rhetoric from your side. We should just shut up and take what's coming to
us... does that sound fair?
Hint, explain the theory [& use the word properly in its scientific sense,
wild *****\d guess<=> theory] of intelligent design, then compare that to
the
fact of random chance [aren't we lucky though] & natural events.
It's not scientific now, is it? I can't prove the existance of a greater
intelligence. While on the other hand, you can easily prove that things
happen randomly... Big deal.
Whether we were intelligently designed or the tornado ripped through the
junk yard and left behind a brand new Cadillac. Either way, consensus
is,
that the universe ultimately sprung from *nothing*, nes pas?
No, it is not, but then, you are in bleater mode so this is no shock. Try
a
book, non apologetic with no axe to grind called *the whole shebang* for
the theory's [as in plural] of what happened, & how they stood at the time
of publication.
Sounds good, but doesn't the popular 'big bang' theory have everything
starting from nothing?
BTW, the only correct answer is we do not know but we are aware of how it
could not have happed. ID is one of those ways. It has no theory, just
wild
assed claims.
ID is the theory that there was a 'guiding hand' behind whatever 'natural'
processes occured, because left alone, not a lot would have happened at all.
not even El, the original Canaanite god that got shagged into playing
the
creator of the proto Jews. Even your grimorie does not say nothing was
here
when El showed up with a hangover & a case of the *****. There was the
void,
the waters & the earth.
'Void' means nothing. You can't have waters and earth AND nothing.
Nothing
Void has at least two definitions, & apparently the second one does not
appeal to you, one is a state of nothing, the other is a vast emptiness.
Add to that you have no concept of how the terms were used originally.
Quit
fibbing.
How would one describe 'nothing'? A 'vast emptiness'? Void? I dunno. How
would the writer of Genesis describe it?
is nothing. Heck, Genesis is allegorical anyway, if you were God, how
would
Of course its allegorical, but that does not stop some from believing it.
Add to that, it begs the question, if the main event is allegorical, what
else is, where are the limits, who defines. Are you really sure you want
to
open that can of worms.
We have official Earthly authorities to define it. Jesus gave the authority
to His apostles, and it's been passed down. We have faith that He guides
their decisions.
Recall that many of the atheists posting here can
take your grimorie apart because they were like you, & maybe even more so.
They just read the entire grimorie without any approved study aids
I'm not all that good with the Bible anyway.
inspire some prehistoric nomad to describe the creation of the universe?
Wrong question, if god exists, how could he fail to impress a hill bandit
[the likely sources for the proto Hebrews] with the knowledge of solar
disc
accretion, solar dynamics, planetary formation, et all. After all, it is
god & god can do anything, it wants to is not a dodge allowed here. Either
it could, or it could not.
Sure, He could have. How would that have benefited? Could those primative
folks have even begun to grasp it? Us 'advanced' folks can't even figure it
out.
According to who? We are unique in the universe, being the crux between
the
According top you, you have no value until you croak & start singing
insipid paltry hymns of praise for eternity to a set of insecure gods that
require that.
What? I didn't say that. We are valuable, according to Him... "Are not five
sparrows sold for two cents? Yet not one of them is forgotten before God.
Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear; you are
more valuable than many sparrows."
world of spirit and the world of matter. We are the greatest of the
animals,
No, that we are not, not even counting the Blue whale, we are not the
greatest. mayhap the most ingenious, but greatest, no . We have nations
that are nuclear giants, & ethical midgets.
Being self-aware, and ingenious enough to create nations, nuclear power, and
ethics, makes us the greatest.
We have 1/3rd of the total population that care only for themselves, they,
along with the followers of the other desert myths of the mid east seek
only their continuation in an afterlife. A afterlife not required by any
science, or common sense [if there is any left].
No other animals have sought to find their Creator, or source of their
creation.
but the least of spirits. Dead, we are just inadequate angels... until
the
last day... but that's a different topic.
Its what you live for Hugh, glad its you & not me.
It's not what I live for; while here in this form, I live for Earthly
matters, but keep an eye on the future.
Your myth holds no appeal for me
Yeah, I kind of figured that out a while back.
nor the majority of the worlds
population.
Well, the majority seeks spiritual truth, and believe it exists.
My God smiles upon you, for all the reasons you just described. Curse
Him
Which god Hugh, your pantheon alone claims four major gods, & minor gods
beyond my ability to count, yours too I suspect.
Oh, quit being a smartass. God. Sheesh.
As to cursing the gods, it is a futile exercise in vocabulary
construction.
You see, unlike you, I know it is in vain, for there is no one home. Just
as when you pray to your gods, the same audience is there, & is an empty
hall. Always has been far as I can tell.
II. Thou Shall Not Diss The Lord.
I think that's for our benefit, as His feelings aren't about to get hurt.
Harmful to our souls it is, to mock our creator.
all you wish, but you have succeeded in glorifying Him in through your
actions. After all, what we do, counts for more that what we say, and
you
Not at all, I have succeeded in having a full life in spite of your gods &
their sheep. You see, I enforced my personal ethics on me, no gods
required. I decided how I would live my life, no gods required. I am & was
the deciding agent every time. Even when I was military, nothing I did was
without my consent. I still have a few orders in writing where the officer
that gave them screwed up, but it was his ***** & neither mine nor my
troops.
Okay, so by your God given free will you managed (coincidentally) to so far
live a decent life that wouldn't make Him sorry he created you.
seem to have accomplished what He put you here for.
According to you, but that begs the question, did Pol Pot & his ilk
throughout history accomplish what your claimed god put them here for?
Now, did anyone ever smile when *they* showed up? Did they experience or
share joy? Nope. I think that's all He puts any of us here for, anyway.
ABASEMENT, n. A decent and customary mental attitude in the
presence of wealth of power. Peculiarly appropriate in an
employee when addressing an employer.
Devils dictionary
addmendum: or their gods
Well, my employer thinks I'm the cat's meow. I'm professional, I don't
complain, and I get the job done without causing him any problems. Kind of
like God, I suppose.
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15 Aug 2004 01:13:39 AM |
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On 13-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
Okay, granted, Dave has ...issues...
What, with rude people that post their tripe where it
is not only unwelcome, but insulting. Say the recovery
group. I can understand that.
Well, let's suppose EvilEd stops cross-posting his tripe
to the recovery group...
I wouldn't know. He's in my killfile. An Atheist troll is
just as bad as a christian one.
Or the blithe air of idiocy by bleaters & some other
theists that proclaim
as valid what they can not know?
Oh, like Intelligent Design? You're right, I cannot know
that's true. But on the other hand, an atheist cannot
know that Millions of Fortunate Coincidences in Sequence
is right either.
We have proof of evolution. There is no proof of a god. If
this Universe was designed by some intelligent being, it
wasn't too intelligent and did a poor job of designing it.
Maybe it is the in your face claims to ethical &
spiritual [whatever the hell that is] superiority of
some bleaters.
Yeah, that's freakin' irritating.
Then you should stop doing it.
Maybe it is the attempted browbeating quoting of
apologetic authors that have been shown in error
throughout the century's?
Gee, who hasn't been shown to be in error? Darwin? oops,
him too.
Evolution doesn't depend upon anything Darwin said.
Or maybe you have bad breath & it comes through his
monitor. Or maybe he is just weary of the inane insipid
flaccid floppy baseless claims of the bleater brigade &
their supporters. IK know it is enough to try my
patience from time to time.
Oh shucks, the LAST thing we should be doing is
attempting to counter the rhetoric from your side....
So, you want to replace rhetoric with ignorance? Christians
like you are just full of ignorance. It shows in every one
of your posts.
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David V.
UDP for WebTV
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| User: "William" |
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15 Aug 2004 10:51:41 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:42:14 GMT, wrote:
On 13-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
Or the blithe air of idiocy by bleaters & some other theists
that proclaim
as valid what they can not know?
Oh, like Intelligent Design? You're right, I cannot know that's
true. But on the other hand, an atheist cannot know that
Millions of Fortunate Coincidences in Sequence is right either.
That is a strawman (also pointed out in a previous post). The
alternative to ID is not "Millions of Fortunate Coincidences in
Sequence". And ID is not a scientific theory so it is fallacious to
pit it against them.
Maybe it is the in your face claims to ethical & spiritual [whatever
the hell that is] superiority of some bleaters.
Yeah, that's freakin' irritating.
Maybe it is the attempted browbeating quoting of apologetic
authors that have been shown in error throughout the century's?
Gee, who hasn't been shown to be in error? Darwin? oops, him too.
The theory of evolution does not stand according to personal
authority; religious dogma does.
Hint, explain the theory [& use the word properly in its scientific
sense, wild *****\d guess<=> theory] of intelligent design, then
compare that to the fact of random chance [aren't we lucky
though] & natural events.
It's not scientific now, is it? I can't prove the existance of a greater
intelligence. While on the other hand, you can easily prove that things
happen randomly... Big deal.
And also things that happen according natural processes. That is a big
deal.
Sounds good, but doesn't the popular 'big bang' theory have everything
starting from nothing?
Neither 'starting' nor 'nothing' have a lot of meaning in the
cosmology of the Big Bang.
BTW, the only correct answer is we do not know but we are aware of how it
could not have happed. ID is one of those ways. It has no theory, just
wild
assed claims.
ID is the theory that there was a 'guiding hand' behind whatever 'natural'
processes occured, because left alone, not a lot would have happened at all.
ID is not a theory.
'Void' means nothing. You can't have waters and earth AND nothing.
Nothing
Void has at least two definitions, & apparently the second one does not
appeal to you, one is a state of nothing, the other is a vast emptiness.
Add to that you have no concept of how the terms were used originally.
Quit fibbing.
How would one describe 'nothing'? A 'vast emptiness'? Void? I dunno. How
would the writer of Genesis describe it?
It certainly didn't describe anything like a quantum vacuum.
William
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15 Aug 2004 10:44:26 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:42:14 GMT, wrote:
On 13-Aug-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
Okay, granted, Dave has ...issues...
What, with rude people that post their tripe where it is not only
unwelcome, but insulting. Say the recovery group.
I can understand that.
Well, let's suppose EvilEd stops cross-posting his tripe to the recovery
Why, lets go one better, let's play imagine:
Can you imagine AA without it troll du jour?
Can you imagine you not trolling AA?
group, or puts a disclaimer on each daily posting: "By posting this, I am
NOT inviting discussion. It's sole purpose is to denigrate your personal
spiritual beliefs." That oughta do it.
As to the recovery group, I wish he would not. But in fact, it is on topic
for the ex xians in that group. A not to subtle reminder if you will, of
some of the reasons they left that myth behind.
As to discussion, he has discussed & defended his postings, so you are
wrong again.
I rather agree with you that xianity in particular is for the greedy & self
centered, but that is moot nor do I hammer away with it. But like that
discussion we had some time back IRT Homer & his pabulum posts, whether you
or I like it, the man is entitled, [& as long as he stays OT I will defend
that stance] to post where he will.
Now consider this, if those articles were not in your assortment of
grimorie's [over 110 at last count], he could not post them as truth & it
would not hurt your feelings. But it is & apparently it doers.
Or the blithe air of idiocy by bleaters & some other theists that proclaim
as valid what they can not know?
Oh, like Intelligent Design? You're right, I cannot know that's true. But on
Not just that, the whole myth & your presumption that everyone else agrees
with the concept for starters.
the other hand, an atheist cannot know that Millions of Fortunate
Coincidences in Sequence is right either.
Why would any one atheist make such a claim? Seems like a red herring you
have in your pocket, or an attempt to divert attention away from the ID
claims. Or maybe both.
Maybe it is the in your face claims to ethical & spiritual [whatever the
hell that is] superiority of some bleaters.
Yeah, that's freakin' irritating.
Yes, it is, so why do you do it in AA again?
Maybe it is the attempted browbeating quoting of apologetic authors that
have been shown in error throughout the century's?
Gee, who hasn't been shown to be in error? Darwin? oops, him too.
What Darwin has to do with anything is your guess, not mine. As to who has
not been in error, if you have a god making waves & telling people to take
notes, & that c\gad can not tell it ion anyway that the future generations
he knows everything about can't understand it, that god is not worthy of
being followed, unless one likes incompetent gods.
Or maybe you have bad breath & it comes through his monitor.
Or maybe he is just weary of the inane insipid flaccid floppy baseless
claims of the bleater brigade & their supporters. IK know it is enough to
try my patience from time to time.
Oh shucks, the LAST thing we should be doing is attempting to counter the
rhetoric from your side. We should just shut up and take what's coming to
us... does that sound fair?
Go you one better, for countering the observations about your pantheon you
are not. Quit with the pretentious *****, crack a few books, or be
honest enough to preface every lie [as something told as true when you know
you can't back it up yet claim to have evidence for it] with imo, not IMHO,
but imo.
Hint, explain the theory [& use the word properly in its scientific sense,
wild *****\d guess<=> theory] of intelligent design, then compare that to
the fact of random chance [aren't we lucky though] & natural events.
It's not scientific now, is it? I can't prove the existance of a greater
intelligence. While on the other hand, you can easily prove that things
happen randomly... Big deal.
Considering the claims for not sucking up to the members of your pantheon,
a very salient observation.
Whether we were intelligently designed or the tornado ripped through the
junk yard and left behind a brand new Cadillac. Either way, consensus
is,
that the universe ultimately sprung from *nothing*, nes pas?
No, it is not, but then, you are in bleater mode so this is no shock. Try
a book, non apologetic with no axe to grind called *the whole shebang* for
the theory's [as in plural] of what happened, & how they stood at the time
of publication.
Sounds good, but doesn't the popular 'big bang' theory have everything
starting from nothing?
Not even close, from a singularity, & how that singularity could or would
work we don't know. The math breaks down at Planck's [sp] Limit.
Maybe if you asked one otf the astronomers in AA for a reading list, they
could provide basic sources to help you out there.
There are other theory's science is exploring, but goddidit is not one of
them.
BTW, the only correct answer is we do not know but we are aware of how it
could not have happed. ID is one of those ways. It has no theory, just
wild
assed claims.
ID is the theory that there was a 'guiding hand' behind whatever 'natural'
No its not, theory's produce information when examined & applied to the
real world. There must be at least on set where they do not work as
claimed. They must make testable predictions
That is how we learn.
ID proposes one thing & provides no evidence for anything.
processes occured, because left alone, not a lot would have happened at all.
I take it you never had a chemistry course. How do you think water forms,
if not by itself when the conditions are right.
Do you even know where the heavy [about everything above Carbon in the
PTOE] come from?
not even El, the original Canaanite god that got shagged into playing
the
creator of the proto Jews. Even your grimorie does not say nothing was
here
when El showed up with a hangover & a case of the *****. There was the
void,
the waters & the earth.
'Void' means nothing. You can't have waters and earth AND nothing.
Nothing
Void has at least two definitions, & apparently the second one does not
appeal to you, one is a state of nothing, the other is a vast emptiness.
Add to that you have no concept of how the terms were used originally.
Quit
fibbing.
How would one describe 'nothing'? A 'vast emptiness'? Void? I dunno. How
would the writer of Genesis describe it?
If a god was talking to it, in terms that would not be ambiguous, but then,
you can't know that.
is nothing. Heck, Genesis is allegorical anyway, if you were God, how
would
Of course its allegorical, but that does not stop some from believing it.
Add to that, it begs the question, if the main event is allegorical, what
else is, where are the limits, who defines. Are you really sure you want
to
open that can of worms.
We have official Earthly authorities to define it. Jesus gave the authority
Jesus who? Serious question. Until you provide evidence for a Jesus as
claimed by your pantheon,. there is no pan universal authority delegate4d,
but authority taken.
to His apostles, and it's been passed down. We have faith that He guides
their decisions.
Which means nothing to anyone that does examine claims made versus evidence
provided. Your problem, not mine.
Recall that many of the atheists posting here can
take your grimorie apart because they were like you, & maybe even more so.
They just read the entire grimorie without any approved study aids
I'm not all that good with the Bible anyway.
It shows, but you should be if you intend to discuss the claims for your
myth around atheists.
inspire some prehistoric nomad to describe the creation of the universe?
Wrong question, if god exists, how could he fail to impress a hill bandit
[the likely sources for the proto Hebrews] with the knowledge of solar
disc
accretion, solar dynamics, planetary formation, et all. After all, it is
god & god can do anything, it wants to is not a dodge allowed here. Either
it could, or it could not.
Sure, He could have. How would that have benefited? Could those primative
folks have even begun to grasp it? Us 'advanced' folks can't even figure it
out.
If they were created in its image, you're saying that it is a stupid god
incapable of transmitting relatively simple concepts to its creations?
According to who? We are unique in the universe, being the crux between
the
According top you, you have no value until you croak & start singing
insipid paltry hymns of praise for eternity to a set of insecure gods that
require that.
What? I didn't say that. We are valuable, according to Him... "Are not five
You don't have to, your myth shouts it to the universe. It is designed for
the control of greedy sheep that want mote than they earn. Or lead lives of
fear about going to the bad place where there is a
24/7/365/1000^110000000000000eon bar-b-que going on.
But then, I have read & considered your myths, & you admit you haven't.
sparrows sold for two cents? Yet not one of them is forgotten before God.
Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear; you are
more valuable than many sparrows."
Hate to tell you this, but no, IO am not. The only value IK have is that
which I earn for myself, not even the universe cares about my kids or
grandkids. My line could die out, & not even be noticed by society.
It could be argued the sparrow is more important. It is less damaging to
the ecology, needs lees to support it, & makes music. & like the average
human, is dowdy.
However, ion spite of that knowledge, I am the most important person in my
corner of the universe & am quite content that everyone else has the same
privilege if they but reach out & take it.
Even that changes if I share my life with a good woman, she becomes the
most important person in my universe.
world of spirit and the world of matter. We are the greatest of the
animals,
No, that we are not, not even counting the Blue whale, we are not the
greatest. mayhap the most ingenious, but greatest, no . We have nations
that are nuclear giants, & ethical midgets.
Being self-aware, and ingenious enough to create nations, nuclear power, and
ethics, makes us the greatest.
According to people like you. But then, you are xian & have not learned
that the universe & earth were not made for our abuse. You believe it most
likely, but it is not so.
We have 1/3rd of the total population that care only for themselves, they,
along with the followers of the other desert myths of the mid east seek
only their continuation in an afterlife. A afterlife not required by any
science, or common sense [if there is any left].
No other animals have sought to find their Creator, or source of their
creation.
& you know this how exactly how, which scientists are saying this. The
mammal line of earth life forms has at least 4 candidates for the smartest,
& seeking a creator is not an indication of intelligence. Nor is damaging
the habitat or ecology.
but the least of spirits. Dead, we are just inadequate angels... until
the
last day... but that's a different topic.
Its what you live for Hugh, glad its you & not me.
It's not what I live for; while here in this form, I live for Earthly
matters, but keep an eye on the future.
Its what you live for Hugh, & like most xians, you hesitate in taking the
final step to find out if you are right. BTW, suicide is not forbidden in
your grimorie, the church was getting more martyrs than live worshipers,
couldn't take the pressure so gave out a divine interpretation.
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