Religions > Atheism > Bible Quote of the day for July 12 (he who finds his life will lose it)
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12 Jul 2004 08:03:50 PM |
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Bible Quote of the day for July 12 (he who finds his life will lose it) |
Matthew 10:34 - 11:1
34 "Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not
come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man
against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a
daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and a man's foes will be
those of his own household. 37 He who loves father or mother more than
me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me
is not worthy of me; 38 and he who does not take his cross and follow
me is not worthy of me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he
who loses his life for my sake will find it. 40 "He who receives you
receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me. 41 He
who receives a prophet because he is a prophet shall receive a
prophet's reward, and he who receives a righteous man because he is a
righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward. 42 And whoever
gives to one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he
is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he shall not lose his reward."
(Matthew 11) 1 And when Jesus had finished instructing his twelve
disciples, he went on from there to teach and preach in their cities.
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When the Passion of the Christ was released many christians were
shocked by the division that the film created. However the division
was completely expected. It had to happen. We are told right here that
this is the effect that the truth of God has on the world. It creates
division, not unity. There will always be those who will be hostile to
the truth of God. We, as Christians, must learn to live in the midst
of this, but yet remain apart.
False ideologies will often claim to be uniting the world. But we
already know that world peace and unity will not happen around the
truth of God. The world peace and unity they speak of will always be
achieved only if we accept THEIR political beliefs. For example, the
liberals often talk of bringing the world together in peace and
harmony, but yet they also talk of abortion. So to achieve their peace
and harmony, we must first sign on to the killing of innocent
children.
To be a christian means to be true to the gospels first. This means
that some part of us will always remain apart from the world. We must
live in this world and accept it as it is, but always remember that we
are not completely a part of it. Our final allegiance lies elsewhere.
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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12 Jul 2004 08:18:39 PM |
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To be a christian means to be true to the gospels first. This means
that some part of us will always remain apart from the world. We must
live in this world and accept it as it is, but always remember that we
are not completely a part of it. Our final allegiance lies elsewhere.
Absolutely right. Thank you for reminding us that no Christian can ever be a
patriotic American since they will always place the enemies of freedom first.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "John Kelley" |
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13 Jul 2004 07:44:32 PM |
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forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert) wrote in message news:<20040712211839.05775.00001605@mb-m05.aol.com>...
To be a christian means to be true to the gospels first. This means
that some part of us will always remain apart from the world. We must
live in this world and accept it as it is, but always remember that we
are not completely a part of it. Our final allegiance lies elsewhere.
Absolutely right. Thank you for reminding us that no Christian can ever be a
patriotic American since they will always place the enemies of freedom first.
Tell that to George Washington.
From his farewell address,
(note the 2nd line)
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity,
religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that
man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these
great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of
men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man,
ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all
their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be
asked, where is the security for property, for reputation, for life,
if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the
instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with
caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained
without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined
education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both
forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of
religious principle.
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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13 Jul 2004 11:20:02 PM |
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Absolutely right. Thank you for reminding us that no Christian can ever be
a
patriotic American since they will always place the enemies of freedom
first.
Tell that to George Washington.
From his farewell address,
(note the 2nd line)
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity,
religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that
man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these
great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of
men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man,
ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all
their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be
asked, where is the security for property, for reputation, for life,
if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the
instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with
caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained
without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined
education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both
forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of
religious principle.
Could you please point out where in this passage Washington admits to being a
Christian? It doesn't seem to be here. On the other hand, I offer this as a
rebuttal to your unsupported claim.
"I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe that the path of true piety is
so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we
ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion, from the
Magna-Charta of our country." -- George Washington, responding to a group of
clergymen who complained that the Constitution lacked mention of Jesus Christ,
in 1789, Papers, Presidential Series, 4:274, the "Magna-Charta" here refers to
the proposed United States Constitution
"We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and
reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition ... In this
enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man's
religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him
of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the
United States." -- George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church
in Baltimore, January 27, 1793, in Anson Phelps Stokes, Church and State in the
United States, Vol 1. p. 497, quoted from Albert J. Menendez and Edd Doerr, The
Great Quotations on Religious Freedom
"Among many other weighty objections to the Measure, it has been suggested,
that it has a tendency to introduce religious disputes into the Army, which
above all things should be avoided, and in many instances would compel men to a
mode of Worship which they do not profess." -- George Washington, to John
Hancock, then president of Congress, expressing opposition to a congressional
plan to appoint brigade chaplains in the Continental Army (1777), quoted from a
letter to Cliff Walker from Doug Harper (2002)
"Unlike Thomas Jefferson -- and Thomas Paine, for that matter -- Washington
never even got around to recording his belief that Christ was a great ethical
teacher. His reticence on the subject was truly remarkable. Washington
frequently alluded to Providence in his private correspondence. But the name of
Christ, in any correspondence whatsoever, does not appear anywhere in his many
letters to friends and associates throughout his life." -- Paul F. Boller,
George Washington & Religion (1963) pp. 74-75
"Sir, Washington was a Deist." -- The Reverend Doctor James Abercrombie, rector
of the church Washington had attended with his wife, to The Reverend Bird
Wilson, an Episcopal minister in Albany, New York, upon Wilson's having
inquired of Abercrombie regarding Washington's religious beliefs, quoted from
John E. Remsberg, Six Historic Americans
"I called last evening on Dr. Wilson, as I told you I should, and I have seldom
derived more pleasure from a short interview with anyone. Unless my discernment
of character has been grievously at fault, I met an honest man and a sincere
Christian. But you shall have the particulars. A gentleman of this city
accompanied me to the Doctor's residence. We were very courteously received. I
found him a tall, commanding figure, with a countenance of much benevolence,
and a brow indicative of deep thought, apparently 50 years of age. I opened the
interview by stating that though personally a stranger to him, I had taken the
liberty of calling in consequence of having perused an interesting sermon of
his, which had been reported in the Daily Advertiser of this city, and
regarding which, as he probably knew, a variety of opinions prevailed. In a
discussion, in which I had taken part, some of the facts as there reported had
been questioned; and I wished to know from him whether the reporter had fairly
given his words or not. I then read to him from a copy of the Daily Advertiser
the paragraph which regards Washington, beginning, 'Washington was a man,'
etc., and ending 'absented himself altogether from church.' 'I endorse,' said
Dr. Wilson with emphasis, 'every word of that. Nay, I do not wish to conceal
from you any part of the truth, even what I have not given to the public. Dr.
Abercrombie said more than I have repeated. At the close of our conversation on
the subject his emphatic expression was -- for I well remember the very words
"Sir, Washington was a Deist."'" -- Mr. Robert Dale Owen, newspaper reporter,
afterwards a member of Congress and later Minister to Naples, after
interviewing Dr. Wilson, giving the substance of the interview in a letter
written on November 13, 1831, which was published in New York two weeks later,
quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, pp.
26-27
"In regard to the subject of your inquiry, truth requires me to say that
General Washington never received the communion in the churches of which I am
the parochial minister. Mrs. Washington was an habitual communicant. I have
been written to by many on that point, and have been obliged to answer them am
as I now do you." -- The Right Reverend William White, the first bishop of
Pennsylvania, friend of Washington and bishop of Christ's Church in
Philadelphia, which Washington attend for about 25 years when he happened to be
in that city, in a letter to Colonel Mercer of Fredericksberg, Virginia, on
August 15, 1835, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our
Presidents, pp. 27
"The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the
presidents who had thus far been elected [Washington; Adams; Jefferson;
Madison; Monroe; Adams; Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in
Christianity....Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was
a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism." -- The
Reverend Doctor Bird Wilson, an Episcopal minister in Albany, New York, in a
sermon preached in October, 1831, first sentence quoted in John E. Remsberg,
"Six Historic Americans," second sentence quoted in Paul F. Boller, George
Washington & Religion, pp. 14-15
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "John Kelley" |
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14 Jul 2004 02:17:14 PM |
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forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert) wrote in message news:<20040714002002.22984.00001669@mb-m07.aol.com>...
Absolutely right. Thank you for reminding us that no Christian can ever be
a
patriotic American since they will always place the enemies of freedom
first.
Tell that to George Washington.
From his farewell address,
(note the 2nd line)
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity,
religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that
man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these
great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of
men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man,
ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all
their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be
asked, where is the security for property, for reputation, for life,
if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the
instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with
caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained
without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined
education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both
forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of
religious principle.
Could you please point out where in this passage Washington admits to being a
Christian? It doesn't seem to be here. On the other hand, I offer this as a
rebuttal to your unsupported claim.
try this:
http://members.aol.com/jasonte/faith.htm
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| User: "walksalone" |
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13 Jul 2004 04:51:38 AM |
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Hello Homer, I see you still can't find the appropriate group for posting
your fractured fairy tale to, so, here, I thought I would provide you with
an example as to why your fairy tale, as you exhibit it to be, is
inappropriate to the recovery & atheism groups.
Beelzeboul
And I summoned again to stand before me Beelzeboul, the prince of demons,
and I sat him down on a raised seat of honour, and said to him: "Why art
thou alone, prince of the demons?" And he said to me: "Because I alone am
left of the angels of heaven that came down. For I was first angel in the
first heaven, being entitled Beelzeboul. And now I control all who are
bound in Tartarus . . . "
I Solomon said unto him: "Beelzeboul, what is thy employment?" And he
answered me: "I destroy kings. I ally myself with foreign tyrants. And my
own demons I set on to men, in order that the latter may believe in them
and be lost. And the chosen servants of God, priests and faithful men, I
excite unto desires for wicked sins, and evil heresies, and lawless deeds;
and they obey me, and I bear them on to destruction. And I inspire men
with envy, and murder, and for wars and sodomy, and other evil things. And
I will destroy the world . . . "
I said to him: "Tell me by what angel thou art frustrated." And he
answered: "By the holy and precious name of the Almighty God, called by the
Hebrews by a row of numbers, of which the sum is 644, and among the Greeks
it is Emmanuel. And if one of the Romans adjure me by the name of the
power Eleêth, I disappear at once."
-- Testament of Solomon, first century AD, translated by F. C. Coynbeare
As we can see from the above, one of the favorites of Yahweh was not above
in talking to the other side.
So, the question is of course, which is the more powerful, the king or the
king?
Demonology, it is not just a hobby anymore, serious scholars have studied
those great xian masters of the genre, & found, like their gods, a mountain
of claims & zero evidence.
See, I kept it on topic in relation to your post. You try to claim
something you can't support with evidence, I show you claimed evidence.
They are about equal in weight, but given the fear that xianity breeds in
people, my evidence carry's a bit more weight.
walksalone who suspects he has more gods, & better gods, to quote than
Homer ever will.
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As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs
on, so the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.
[William Blake, Proverbs of Hell ]
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| User: "homer" |
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13 Jul 2004 07:43:58 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:51:38 -0500, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
Hello Homer, I see you still can't find the appropriate group for posting
your fractured fairy tale to, so, here, I thought I would provide you with
an example as to why your fairy tale, as you exhibit it to be, is
inappropriate to the recovery & atheism groups.
Beelzeboul
And I summoned again to stand before me Beelzeboul, the prince of demons,
and I sat him down on a raised seat of honour, and said to him: "Why art
thou alone, prince of the demons?" And he said to me: "Because I alone am
left of the angels of heaven that came down. For I was first angel in the
first heaven, being entitled Beelzeboul. And now I control all who are
bound in Tartarus . . . "
I Solomon said unto him: "Beelzeboul, what is thy employment?" And he
answered me: "I destroy kings. I ally myself with foreign tyrants. And my
own demons I set on to men, in order that the latter may believe in them
and be lost. And the chosen servants of God, priests and faithful men, I
excite unto desires for wicked sins, and evil heresies, and lawless deeds;
and they obey me, and I bear them on to destruction. And I inspire men
with envy, and murder, and for wars and sodomy, and other evil things. And
I will destroy the world . . . "
I said to him: "Tell me by what angel thou art frustrated." And he
answered: "By the holy and precious name of the Almighty God, called by the
Hebrews by a row of numbers, of which the sum is 644, and among the Greeks
it is Emmanuel. And if one of the Romans adjure me by the name of the
power Eleêth, I disappear at once."
-- Testament of Solomon, first century AD, translated by F. C. Coynbeare
As we can see from the above, one of the favorites of Yahweh was not above
in talking to the other side.
So, the question is of course, which is the more powerful, the king or the
king?
Demonology, it is not just a hobby anymore, serious scholars have studied
those great xian masters of the genre, & found, like their gods, a mountain
of claims & zero evidence.
See, I kept it on topic in relation to your post. You try to claim
something you can't support with evidence, I show you claimed evidence.
They are about equal in weight, but given the fear that xianity breeds in
people, my evidence carry's a bit more weight.
walksalone who suspects he has more gods, & better gods, to quote than
Homer ever will.
There's plenty of evidence. So much so that in any other situation the
scholars would conclude, without doubt, that the events described in
the gospels really occurred. I'll be getting to that in a future
quote.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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13 Jul 2004 11:04:20 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:43:58 +0000 in episode
<v709f0t549ka5h9tca1td4picdc4ma7br6@4ax.com> we saw our hero homer
<xxx@xxx.com>:
So much so that in any other situation the
scholars would conclude, without doubt, that the events described in the
gospels really occurred.
No they don't.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels.
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| User: "walksalone" |
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14 Jul 2004 07:43:55 AM |
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:43:58 GMT, homer wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:51:38 -0500, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
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-- Testament of Solomon, first century AD, translated by F. C. Coynbeare
As we can see from the above, one of the favorites of Yahweh was not above
in talking to the other side.
So, the question is of course, which is the more powerful, the king or the
king?
Demonology, it is not just a hobby anymore, serious scholars have studied
those great xian masters of the genre, & found, like their gods, a mountain
of claims & zero evidence.
See, I kept it on topic in relation to your post. You try to claim
something you can't support with evidence, I show you claimed evidence.
They are about equal in weight, but given the fear that xianity breeds in
people, my evidence carry's a bit more weight.
walksalone who suspects he has more gods, & better gods, to quote than
Homer ever will.
There's plenty of evidence. So much so that in any other situation the
Evidence, no, claims, assertions & assumptions, yes.
As an example, do you care to discuss the following, or will you run yet
again.
God, the mass murderer. Gen.7:4, 19:24
God tells Abraham to kill his second son for a burnt offering Gen.22:2, 10
God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son Ex.4:23
God murders the Egyptian firstborn humans and animals Ex.12:30
God drowns Pharaoh's army Ex.14:27-28
"The Lord is a man of war." Ex.15:3
Children who strike their parents are to be killed Ex.21:15
It's OK to beat a slave as long as he lives a day or two "for he is his
money" Ex.21:20-21
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Ex.22:18
You must kill those who worship another god Ex.22:20
If those are not to your liking, you can try for:
A: Abraham [remember him, he is the one who El, the god of the Canaanite
society supposedly bribed] who was he, when & where was he born?
B: Who were his parents.
C: What were the circumstances of his birth?
D: Who was the king he & his father served?
E: Did he ever lie?
five simple questions, questions you can not answer in full for they are
not found in total in your grimorie. But the claimed proof is out there, &
I am aware of at least one source that covers that information.
scholars would conclude, without doubt, that the events described in
Scholars have studied your grimorie, as well as your myth. The consensus is
no such animal as described.
the gospels really occurred. I'll be getting to that in a future
Some did, but not the key events. Especial;ly as regards xianity. You see,
there is the messiah problem that won't go away. Xians have to redefine the
job to get it to match their claims.
For instance, the claim for a direct lineage to the house of David is blown
out of the water, by your grimorie no less.
As well as history.
Not to mention the rape of Mary would have produced a ***** which was a
double nono for a local hero. But the Greeks didn't know that.
quote.
No doubt you will try. But then, xians have been making that claim for
upwards of 2000 years. So, if you are looking forward to making any money
on your evidences, don't quit your day job.
walksalone who doubts Homer will even impress his intended audience, unless
its himself. Even that might be in doubt by the time he finishes displaying
his ignorance to the audience.
--
Christian: This term has many meanings:
We consider any person or group to be Christian if they devoutly,
seriously regards themselves to be Christian. Thus, Jehovah's Witnesses,
Mormons Roman Catholic, and Unificationists are Christians. Many groups,
particularly conservative Christians, regard many of these denominations as
"cults" and not part of Christianity.
Webster's New World Dictionary: A person believing in Jesus as
the Christ, or in the religion based upon the teachings of Jesus
Concise Oxford Dictionary: Person believing in, professing or
belonging to the religion of Christ. (They don't define exactly what the
religion of Christ is)
Evangelical/Fundamentalist usage: often used to refer to only
Evangelical Christian faith groups within Christianity.
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12 Jul 2004 09:15:54 PM |
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On 12-Jul-2004, homer <xxx@xxx.com> wrote:
When the Passion of the Christ was released many christians were
shocked by the division that the film created. However the division
was completely expected. It had to happen. We are told right here that
this is the effect that the truth of God has on the world. It creates
division, not unity. There will always be those who will be hostile to
the truth of God. We, as Christians, must learn to live in the midst
of this, but yet remain apart.
One thing about the 'Passion' was that it brough His enemies out of the
woodwork *en mass* It was disheartening to see all the anti-Christian
sentiment coming to light from every corner of society. I have talked to
people who were deeply *offended* by it, but couldn't tell me why. Getting
hit between the eyes with the Christian message really seems to polarize
people... Just like He said...
False ideologies will often claim to be uniting the world. But we
already know that world peace and unity will not happen around the
truth of God. The world peace and unity they speak of will always be
achieved only if we accept THEIR political beliefs. For example, the
liberals often talk of bringing the world together in peace and
harmony, but yet they also talk of abortion. So to achieve their peace
and harmony, we must first sign on to the killing of innocent
children.
Liberals talk about 'peace', and seem determined to do what they have to do.
If it means sacrificing the innocent, or yielding up our freedom to obtain
it, they will. In the end, if they succeed, I doubt that it will be a
'peace' worth living in.
To be a christian means to be true to the gospels first. This means
that some part of us will always remain apart from the world. We must
live in this world and accept it as it is, but always remember that we
are not completely a part of it. Our final allegiance lies elsewhere.
Hallelujah.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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18 Jul 2004 09:27:30 AM |
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wrote:
On 12-Jul-2004, homer <xxx@xxx.com> wrote:
When the Passion of the Christ was released many christians were
shocked by the division that the film created. However the division
was completely expected. It had to happen. We are told right here that
this is the effect that the truth of God has on the world. It creates
division, not unity. There will always be those who will be hostile to
the truth of God. We, as Christians, must learn to live in the midst
of this, but yet remain apart.
One thing about the 'Passion' was that it brough His enemies out of the
woodwork *en mass* It was disheartening to see all the anti-Christian
sentiment coming to light from every corner of society. I have talked to
people who were deeply *offended* by it, but couldn't tell me why. Getting
hit between the eyes with the Christian message really seems to polarize
people... Just like He said...
False ideologies will often claim to be uniting the world. But we
already know that world peace and unity will not happen around the
truth of God. The world peace and unity they speak of will always be
achieved only if we accept THEIR political beliefs. For example, the
liberals often talk of bringing the world together in peace and
harmony, but yet they also talk of abortion. So to achieve their peace
and harmony, we must first sign on to the killing of innocent
children.
Liberals talk about 'peace', and seem determined to do what they have to do.
If it means sacrificing the innocent, or yielding up our freedom to obtain
it, they will. In the end, if they succeed, I doubt that it will be a
'peace' worth living in.
I would find it no dfferent that the world ol walking lobotomies you
call "Heaven". Hugh.
Paul
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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13 Jul 2004 12:53:48 AM |
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One thing about the 'Passion' was that it brough His enemies out of the
woodwork *en mass* It was disheartening to see all the anti-Christian
sentiment coming to light from every corner of society.
Then perhaps his omnipotence could actually get up off his lazy ***** and do
something about it instead of having to rely on ignorant, traitorous,
incompetent, anti-American, Taliban-wannabee, dictatorial fuckwit trolls like
you to whine about it because you're too damn lazy to get up off of your couch.
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:15:54 +0000 in episode
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hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
Getting hit between the eyes with the Christian message really seems to polarize
people...
Actually, I'm always deeply offended by sado-maschistic films. I don't
know why so many Christians are titillated by torture scenes, blood, and
violence. But it does offend me to see such a disturbing fetish displayed
in public...
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13 Jul 2004 04:06:47 PM |
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On 13-Jul-2004, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Actually, I'm always deeply offended by sado-maschistic films. I don't
know why so many Christians are titillated by torture scenes, blood, and
violence. But it does offend me to see such a disturbing fetish displayed
in public...
Hypocrite. If the film was set in Amsterdam, with dialogue in French and
Finnish subtitles, everyone who is someone would raving about what a work of
art it is. If it was standard Hollywood fare and directed by Tarentino, it
would be up for an Oscar. Don't tell me I'm exaggerating, just compare body
counts and gallons of blood shed with other films, and admit it's the
*message* that you find offensive.
H.
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wrote:
On 13-Jul-2004, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Actually, I'm always deeply offended by sado-maschistic films. I don't
know why so many Christians are titillated by torture scenes, blood, and
violence. But it does offend me to see such a disturbing fetish displayed
in public...
Hypocrite. If the film was set in Amsterdam, with dialogue in French and
Finnish subtitles, everyone who is someone would raving about what a work of
art it is. If it was standard Hollywood fare and directed by Tarentino, it
would be up for an Oscar. Don't tell me I'm exaggerating, just compare body
counts and gallons of blood shed with other films, and admit it's the
*message* that you find offensive.
Like the "message" in any other movie, it does not affect my life in
the slightest, much less improve it by even one iota.
Paul
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:06:47 +0000 in episode
<TNWdndRzwtRD02ndRVn2hA@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
On 13-Jul-2004, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Actually, I'm always deeply offended by sado-maschistic films. I don't
know why so many Christians are titillated by torture scenes, blood, and
violence. But it does offend me to see such a disturbing fetish
displayed in public...
Hypocrite. If the film was set in Amsterdam, with dialogue in French and
Finnish subtitles, everyone who is someone would raving about what a work
of art it is. If it was standard Hollywood fare and directed by Tarentino,
it would be up for an Oscar. Don't tell me I'm exaggerating, just compare
body counts and gallons of blood shed with other films, and admit it's the
*message* that you find offensive.
***** you for calling me a hypocrite. If it were set anywhere with dialog
in anything by anybody, I'd say the same fucking thing you arrogant *****.
I don't like freaking Tarentino *either.
I don't like fucking SNUFF FLICKS okay?
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13 Jul 2004 09:19:18 PM |
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On 13-Jul-2004, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
***** you for calling me a hypocrite. If it were set anywhere with dialog
in anything by anybody, I'd say the same fucking thing you arrogant *****.
Yikes! Touched a nerve there, eh? Funny how you guys can dump on Christians
24/7 but one little word, one little insinuation from me, and you blow your
stack.
I don't like freaking Tarentino *either.
He gets carried away. What was the body count in 'Kill Bill'? I'm just, you
know, comparing it to The Passion, where it was 3 (Judas and the two
thieves, Jesus came back, so we can't count him.)
I don't like fucking SNUFF FLICKS okay?
Alright! Calm down. No offense intended. One must wonder what you were doing
in the theatre that day, though.
H.
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13 Jul 2004 07:39:13 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:18:37 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:06:47 +0000 in episode
<TNWdndRzwtRD02ndRVn2hA@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
On 13-Jul-2004, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Actually, I'm always deeply offended by sado-maschistic films. I don't
know why so many Christians are titillated by torture scenes, blood, and
violence. But it does offend me to see such a disturbing fetish
displayed in public...
Hypocrite. If the film was set in Amsterdam, with dialogue in French and
Finnish subtitles, everyone who is someone would raving about what a work
of art it is. If it was standard Hollywood fare and directed by Tarentino,
it would be up for an Oscar. Don't tell me I'm exaggerating, just compare
body counts and gallons of blood shed with other films, and admit it's the
*message* that you find offensive.
***** you for calling me a hypocrite. If it were set anywhere with dialog
in anything by anybody, I'd say the same fucking thing you arrogant *****.
I don't like freaking Tarentino *either.
I don't like fucking SNUFF FLICKS okay?
looks like he didn't stay in the killfile for very long.
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13 Jul 2004 07:46:28 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:39:13 +0000 in episode
<0409f0pm0l6kacu78bbqps3b6dm1vt99gc@4ax.com> we saw our hero homer
<xxx@xxx.com>:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:18:37 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:06:47 +0000 in episode
<TNWdndRzwtRD02ndRVn2hA@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
On 13-Jul-2004, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Actually, I'm always deeply offended by sado-maschistic films. I don't
know why so many Christians are titillated by torture scenes, blood,
and violence. But it does offend me to see such a disturbing fetish
displayed in public...
Hypocrite. If the film was set in Amsterdam, with dialogue in French
and Finnish subtitles, everyone who is someone would raving about what
a work of art it is. If it was standard Hollywood fare and directed by
Tarentino, it would be up for an Oscar. Don't tell me I'm exaggerating,
just compare body counts and gallons of blood shed with other films,
and admit it's the *message* that you find offensive.
***** you for calling me a hypocrite. If it were set anywhere with dialog
in anything by anybody, I'd say the same fucking thing you arrogant *****.
I don't like freaking Tarentino *either.
I don't like fucking SNUFF FLICKS okay?
looks like he didn't stay in the killfile for very long.
The post you're replying to was posted first.
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13 Jul 2004 10:25:39 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:15:54 +0000 in episode
<PvOdnW8gX-tP2G7dRVn2hg@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
I have talked to
people who were deeply *offended* by it, but couldn't tell me why.
Or you just weren't listening.
Of course, it's utterly impossible that Christians are *being offensive.
They are little godlings and without flaw...
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13 Jul 2004 04:13:01 PM |
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On 13-Jul-2004, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
I have talked to
people who were deeply *offended* by it, but couldn't tell me why.
Or you just weren't listening.
Of course, it's utterly impossible that Christians are *being offensive.
They are little godlings and without flaw...
.... actually, with a little prodding one did admit that she was offended
because the film suggested that this poor man had to die for *her* sins.
'How dare you suggest that I needed that? How dare anyone judge me?'
Well, despite her sentiments, I did repect her for actually admitting what
the problem was.
H.
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18 Jul 2004 09:29:38 AM |
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wrote:
On 13-Jul-2004, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
I have talked to
people who were deeply *offended* by it, but couldn't tell me why.
Or you just weren't listening.
Of course, it's utterly impossible that Christians are *being offensive.
They are little godlings and without flaw...
... actually, with a little prodding one did admit that she was offended
because the film suggested that this poor man had to die for *her* sins.
'How dare you suggest that I needed that? How dare anyone judge me?'
Well, despite her sentiments, I did repect her for actually admitting what
the problem was.
Jesus died for our sins. so what....He's going to make us pay BIG
TIME in Heaven.
Paul
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13 Jul 2004 05:14:05 PM |
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In article <BdadnScH24LJzWndRVn2iQ@giganews.com>,
wrote:
On 13-Jul-2004, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
I have talked to
people who were deeply *offended* by it, but couldn't tell me why.
Or you just weren't listening.
Of course, it's utterly impossible that Christians are *being offensive.
They are little godlings and without flaw...
... actually, with a little prodding one did admit that she was offended
because the film suggested that this poor man had to die for *her* sins.
'How dare you suggest that I needed that? How dare anyone judge me?'
Well, despite her sentiments, I did repect her for actually admitting what
the problem was.
Or maybe she was experiencing an attack of common sense that was foreign to
you and thought that this is one of the dumber ideas ever. How, exactly,
did this human sacrifice benefit anyone? When people say that jeezus died
for our sins, what the hell does that mean? Sin, both the inherited form
and the personal sin, still exists. The cruci-fiction hasn't reduced
anyone's tendency to sin. The party line is that sin can still send you to
hell. So, it's perfectly understandable that she found this bloodfest
totally pointless.
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13 Jul 2004 04:33:21 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:13:01 +0000 in episode
<BdadnScH24LJzWndRVn2iQ@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
On 13-Jul-2004, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
I have talked to
people who were deeply *offended* by it, but couldn't tell me why.
Or you just weren't listening.
Of course, it's utterly impossible that Christians are *being offensive.
They are little godlings and without flaw...
... actually, with a little prodding one did admit that she was offended
because the film suggested that this poor man had to die for *her* sins.
'How dare you suggest that I needed that? How dare anyone judge me?' Well,
despite her sentiments, I did repect her for actually admitting what the
problem was.
One. There's a sample for ya. Yeah, we can extrapolate the internal states
of millions because ONE person said something to YOU.
Don't ever call me a hypocrite you piece of trash. You want to talk
hypocrisy? How about all the fucking yapping you Christians do about the
crap that comes out of Hollywood but when Gibson slaps "Jesus" on his
sado-masochistic snuff flick YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH?
But as long as you can whine "other people make films with gore in them"
and whine "what about Tarrantino?" that makes it okay because you've got
an Absolute Morality that you can fucking twist into whatever shape you
need to excuse your behavior this week so you can keep looking down your
***** noses at everybody else because, after all, you found "god" in
your fucking mirror.
It's ***** like this that is turning me from just being a non-theist into
*actively *hating your religion.
Now ***** you into the killfile.
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13 Jul 2004 06:41:12 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
How about all the fucking yapping you Christians do about the
crap that comes out of Hollywood but when Gibson slaps "Jesus" on his
sado-masochistic snuff flick YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH?
Years ago, Madonna said something interesting in an interview. She grew
up Catholic with crucifixes everywhere. Her take on it was that there was
something sexy about a near-naked man hanging on a cross. Maybe that
background has something to do with a few of her kinkier creations and
escapades. Maybe all this does have an appeal to closet S&M people...
Now ***** you into the killfile.
Aw shucks, and deprive the rest of us readers from our amusement
at reading these exchanges?
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13 Jul 2004 07:33:51 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:41:12 +0000 in episode
<sq_Ic.247957$Gx4.214120@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> we saw our
hero "ChucklesPF" <ChucklesPF@Ihatespam.com>:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
How about all the fucking yapping you Christians do about the crap that
comes out of Hollywood but when Gibson slaps "Jesus" on his
sado-masochistic snuff flick YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH?
Years ago, Madonna said something interesting in an interview. She grew
up Catholic with crucifixes everywhere. Her take on it was that there was
something sexy about a near-naked man hanging on a cross. Maybe that
background has something to do with a few of her kinkier creations and
escapades. Maybe all this does have an appeal to closet S&M people...
Not to mention there is just something weird about Gibson and that he
seems to like having scenes in just about every film he does in which he
gets tortured.
It sure *looks like an S&M fetish to me.
Now ***** you into the killfile.
Aw shucks, and deprive the rest of us readers from our amusement at
reading these exchanges?
There are two things that set me off immediately and rather nastily (I
went over a table after a guy once, in a meeting, at work). They're
closely related things and the *way they're delivered makes a big
difference. The casual, off-handed, self-righteous, oh-so-superior "liar"
or "hypocrite" is one way to turn someone usually quite pacifist and prone
to avoiding conflict into a guy who intends to put you in a hospital.
But this is online and I can't punch the monitor (well, I *could but you
know). So it's in my self interest to plonk...
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13 Jul 2004 08:11:51 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:33:21 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
You want to talkhypocrisy? How about all the fucking yapping
you Christians do about the crap that comes out of Hollywood
but when Gibson slaps "Jesus" on his sado-masochistic
snuff flick YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH?
Hehe - that belongs in a fortune cookie file.
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13 Jul 2004 06:49:34 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:15:54 GMT, wrote:
On 12-Jul-2004, homer <xxx@xxx.com> wrote:
When the Passion of the Christ was released many christians were
shocked by the division that the film created. However the division
was completely expected. It had to happen. We are told right here that
this is the effect that the truth of God has on the world. It creates
division, not unity. There will always be those who will be hostile to
the truth of God. We, as Christians, must learn to live in the midst
of this, but yet remain apart.
One thing about the 'Passion' was that it brough His enemies out of the
woodwork *en mass* It was disheartening to see all the anti-Christian
sentiment coming to light from every corner of society. I have talked to
people who were deeply *offended* by it, but couldn't tell me why. Getting
hit between the eyes with the Christian message really seems to polarize
people... Just like He said...
You don't think its possible that some people just don't like violent
snuff movies?
Mark.
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13 Jul 2004 08:47:31 PM |
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On 13-Jul-2004, Mark Richardson <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote:
You don't think its possible that some people just don't like violent
snuff movies?
Mark.
Of course. My point is; there have been plenty of extremely violent films,
many of them more graphic than The Passion. However, this *particular* film
caused an outcry like no other. I think that it has a lot more to do with
the subject matter than the violence.
H.
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13 Jul 2004 11:00:53 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:47:31 GMT, wrote:
On 13-Jul-2004, Mark Richardson <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote:
You don't think its possible that some people just don't like violent
snuff movies?
Mark.
Of course. My point is; there have been plenty of extremely violent films,
many of them more graphic than The Passion. However, this *particular* film
caused an outcry like no other. I think that it has a lot more to do with
the subject matter than the violence.
I am merely bored (disinterested) by the subject matter.
It's the pornographic nature of the violence that i find actually
offensive.
I also find the entire idea of Jesus death being a sacrifice offensive
- I always have.
No amount of theological babble is ever going to change that.
Mark.
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13 Jul 2004 07:44:39 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:49:34 +0000 in episode
<q7t8f0lu2puabssr10pp3ms1250755c5qn@4ax.com> we saw our hero Mark
Richardson <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die>:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:15:54 GMT, wrote:
On 12-Jul-2004, homer <xxx@xxx.com> wrote:
When the Passion of the Christ was released many christians were
shocked by the division that the film created. However the division was
completely expected. It had to happen. We are told right here that this
is the effect that the truth of God has on the world. It creates
division, not unity. There will always be those who will be hostile to
the truth of God. We, as Christians, must learn to live in the midst of
this, but yet remain apart.
One thing about the 'Passion' was that it brough His enemies out of the
woodwork *en mass* It was disheartening to see all the anti-Christian
sentiment coming to light from every corner of society. I have talked to
people who were deeply *offended* by it, but couldn't tell me why.
Getting hit between the eyes with the Christian message really seems to
polarize people... Just like He said...
You don't think its possible that some people just don't like violent
snuff movies?
Careful, he'll call you hypocrite now. Then babble incoherently about
French movies and Tarrentino...
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EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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