Religions > Atheism > Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law)
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12 Jun 2004 11:40:31 AM |
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Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
17 "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I
have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say
to you, till heaven and earth pass away,not an iota, not a dot, will
pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then relaxes
one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be
called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and
teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Jesus came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it. To fulfill means to
complete. Jesus fulfills the law in the way that we fulfill a
contract or a promise. He is the embodiment of God's promise. We are
to know that God keeps his word.
And we also know that the law, and the scriptures, are fulfilled with
our reception of the holy spirit. The holy spirit is in you, and is
counsel to your heart and your mind. Would the spirit lead you to
kill? to dishonor your father and mother? to steal? to lie? to commit
adultery? or to commit any other act of treachery? Of course not. So
we see that by our reception of the spirit, and by our acceptance of
that guidance, we are taken far beyond the law, and into a totally new
realm.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
12 Jun 2004 04:50:17 PM |
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"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
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Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
17 "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I
have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say
to you, till heaven and earth pass away,not an iota, not a dot, will
pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then relaxes
one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be
called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and
teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Jesus came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it. To fulfill means to
<snip>
Does that mean that we should still be stoning people
to death for adultery and collecting firewood on the sabbath?
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RB
AA#2187
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| User: "Editor of EvilBible.com" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
12 Jun 2004 01:47:37 PM |
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"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
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Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
17 "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I
have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say
to you, till heaven and earth pass away,not an iota, not a dot, will
pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then relaxes
one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be
called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and
teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Jesus came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it. To fulfill means to
complete. Jesus fulfills the law in the way that we fulfill a
contract or a promise. He is the embodiment of God's promise. We are
to know that God keeps his word.
And we also know that the law, and the scriptures, are fulfilled with
our reception of the holy spirit. The holy spirit is in you, and is
counsel to your heart and your mind. Would the spirit lead you to
kill? to dishonor your father and mother? to steal? to lie? to commit
adultery? or to commit any other act of treachery? Of course not. So
we see that by our reception of the spirit, and by our acceptance of
that guidance, we are taken far beyond the law, and into a totally new
realm.
You are an idiot. Read what you quoted from the Bible. It is extremely
clear. Your "interpretation" is absurd. Why do most of you Christian talk
like brain dead zombies from the "Night of the Living Dead" and simply
repeat the same crap from your head zombie?
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| User: "walksalone" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
12 Jun 2004 06:01:59 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
Mighty is faith, for the spirit of God came upon the Israelites as a reward
for their trust in God, and in His servant Moses; and it was in this
exaltation that they sang to the Lord a song that moved Him to grant
forgiveness for all their sins. This song was the second of the nine songs
that in the course of history of Israel sang to their God. They assembled
to sing the first in Egypt, on the night when they were freed from
captivity; their second was the song of triumph by the Red Sea; their
third, when the well sprang up in the wilderness; Moses sang the fourth
before his death; the fifth was Joshua's song after his victory over the
five Amorite Kings; Deborah and Barak sang the sixth when they conquered
Sisera; the seventh was David's psalm of thanksgiving to God for his
deliverance out of the hand of all his enemies; the eighth was Solomon's
song at the dedication of the Temple; the ninth Jehoshaphat sang as,
trusting in God, he went to battle against the Moabites and the Ammonites.
The tenth and last song, however, will be that grand and mighty song, when
Israel will raise their voice in triumph at their future deliverance, for
that will be the final release of Israel for all time.
Makes more sense than yours, & if it is false, yours is as well?
walksalone who has no doubt Homer is rapidly collecting martyr points. But
Aditi does not redeem them.
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We consider any person or group to be Christian if they devoutly,
seriously regards themselves to be Christian. Thus, Jehovah's Witnesses,
Mormons Roman Catholic, and Unificationists are Christians. Many groups,
particularly conservative Christians, regard many of these denominations as
"cults" and not part of Christianity.
Webster's New World Dictionary: A person believing in Jesus as
the Christ, or in the religion based upon the teachings of Jesus
Concise Oxford Dictionary: Person believing in, professing or
belonging to the religion of Christ. (They don't define exactly what the
religion of Christ is)
Evangelical/Fundamentalist usage: often used to refer to only
Evangelical Christian faith groups within Christianity.
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| User: "homer" |
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12 Jun 2004 09:11:28 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same
groups that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious
groups then I should be able to post to yours. What's wrong, can't
you take it?
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
12 Jun 2004 10:28:48 PM |
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"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members
when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same
groups that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious
groups then I should be able to post to yours.
Do you consider Editor's posting in other groups
to be wrong?
If so, are you any better?
Turning the other cheek was the subject
of one of your posts.
Not practicing what you preach, eh?
Can you say 'hypocrisy'?
In addition, you seem to be exercising retribution
on the whole group based on your disagreement
with one person.
Bigotry?
That being said.... Wellcome to the group!...
providing you will honestly answer questions.
Otherwise your are just an evil troll.
I notice you haven't answered the question I
posed to you in another response.
If Jesus affirmed Old Testament commandments,
should we be stoning adulterers to death?
What's wrong, can't
you take it?
Bring it on.
--
RB
AA#(3*3*3*3*3*3*3)
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| User: "homer" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
12 Jun 2004 11:49:27 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:28:48 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<jung@topway.net.cn> wrote:
"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members
when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same
groups that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious
groups then I should be able to post to yours.
Do you consider Editor's posting in other groups
to be wrong?
If so, are you any better?
Turning the other cheek was the subject
of one of your posts.
Not practicing what you preach, eh?
Can you say 'hypocrisy'?
In addition, you seem to be exercising retribution
on the whole group based on your disagreement
with one person.
Bigotry?
I've never asked him to stop posting anywhere. I am just posting in a
way that is complementary. He is saying that God is evil, I should at
least be able to answer that charge. You can think what you want.
That being said.... Wellcome to the group!...
providing you will honestly answer questions.
Otherwise your are just an evil troll.
I notice you haven't answered the question I
posed to you in another response.
If Jesus affirmed Old Testament commandments,
should we be stoning adulterers to death?
See John 8:4.
The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in
adultery, and placing her in the midst 4: they said to him, "Teacher,
this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5: Now in the law
Moses commanded us to stone such. What do you say about her?"
6: This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to
bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the
ground. 7: And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to
them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a
stone at her." 8: And once more he bent down and wrote with his finger
on the ground. 9: But when they heard it, they went away, one by one,
beginning with the eldest, and Jesus was left alone with the woman
standing before him. 10: Jesus looked up and said to her, "Woman,
where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11: She said, "No one,
Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and do not sin
again.
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This is one of the most dramatic moments in the gospels. It must have
been a very difficult thing to stone to death a young woman in that
situation. So they confront him with this, and point out to him what
Moses and the law said, and then ask, what do YOU say about her? It is
quite a dramatic scene.
His answer leaves them stunned and they walk away. He expresses the
theme of forgiveness which is central to his teachings. But he is
affirming the creation of a new covenant, and he is claiming the
authority to do so. He is directly saying - I am from God and I have
the authority to do this. Now we are to rely upon his teachings and
the spirit. He also points out that the underlying theme of the law,
that adultery is a sin, is true.
Belief that he is god and that what he gives us is true-- is the new
covenant. For a christian the old must be read in light of the new.
For a christian the old testament was god preparing humanity for the
arrival of jesus. Had he just appeared without this preparation, no
one would have been able to understand him.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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13 Jun 2004 10:54:51 AM |
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"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:28:48 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<jung@topway.net.cn> wrote:
"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
<snip>
them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a
stone at her." 8: And once more he bent down and wrote with his finger
on the ground. 9: But when they heard it, they went away, one by one,
beginning with the eldest, and Jesus was left alone with the woman
standing before him. 10: Jesus looked up and said to her, "Woman,
where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11: She said, "No one,
Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and do not sin
again.
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This is one of the most dramatic moments in the gospels. It must have
been a very difficult thing to stone to death a young woman in that
situation. So they confront him with this, and point out to him what
Moses and the law said, and then ask, what do YOU say about her? It is
quite a dramatic scene.
His answer leaves them stunned and they walk away. He expresses the
theme of forgiveness which is central to his teachings. But he is
And I forgot to add:
That is directly contradictory to "Whoever then relaxes
one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be
called least in the kingdom of heaven"
--
RB
AA#2187
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
13 Jun 2004 10:51:11 AM |
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"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:28:48 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<jung@topway.net.cn> wrote:
"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical
but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members
when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same
groups that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious
groups then I should be able to post to yours.
Do you consider Editor's posting in other groups
to be wrong?
What is your answer to that, homer?
If so, are you any better?
Turning the other cheek was the subject
of one of your posts.
Not practicing what you preach, eh?
Can you say 'hypocrisy'?
In addition, you seem to be exercising retribution
on the whole group based on your disagreement
with one person.
Bigotry?
I've never asked him to stop posting anywhere. I am just posting in a
way that is complementary.
Equivocation. So retribution is 'complementary'.
So those who flew airplanes into buildings could have
said it is 'complementary'.
He is saying that God is evil, I should at
least be able to answer that charge.
But that is not what you have done. Your post is not an answer
to the charge. It is not a counter argument that
the Bible is not evil. It is tit for tat.
You can think what you want.
I think you took Editor's post as a slap on the
cheek and your response was to slap back.
I think you have perhaps some gut level realization
that 'turning the other cheek' might have some general merit but
is an idealization and doesn't absolutely apply despite
being presented as divine Truth.
That being said.... Wellcome to the group!...
providing you will honestly answer questions.
Otherwise your are just an evil troll.
I notice you haven't answered the question I
posed to you in another response.
If Jesus affirmed Old Testament commandments,
should we be stoning adulterers to death?
See John 8:4.
The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in
adultery, and placing her in the midst 4: they said to him, "Teacher,
this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5: Now in the law
Moses commanded us to stone such. What do you say about her?"
6: This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to
bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the
ground. 7: And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to
them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a
stone at her." 8: And once more he bent down and wrote with his finger
on the ground. 9: But when they heard it, they went away, one by one,
beginning with the eldest, and Jesus was left alone with the woman
standing before him. 10: Jesus looked up and said to her, "Woman,
where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11: She said, "No one,
Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and do not sin
again.
-----------------------
This is one of the most dramatic moments in the gospels. It must have
been a very difficult thing to stone to death a young woman in that
situation. So they confront him with this, and point out to him what
Moses and the law said, and then ask, what do YOU say about her? It is
quite a dramatic scene.
Dramatic, yes, and a poor lesson.
It was a loaded answer to a loaded question.
It demonstrates political maneuvering and drama
more than moral teaching.
(And I'd say that woman got lucky. Then and now I'm
sure most crowds would have some people who consider
themselves sinless enough to throw stones.)
In the OT God already considered his children sinfull
while instructing them to kill adulterers.
What Jesus purportedly said is contradictory.
Jesus implies (but does not unambiguously states) that only
sinless people can enforce God's prescribed punishment
for adultery. (God clearly did not state such a condition.)
There is the further implication from that story
(and Jesus' other teachings) that no one who has sinned
can enforce any of God's prescribed punishments.
Since all have sinned God's law is rendered unenforcable.
Are civil laws based on or derive authority
from God's laws?
If that is true then Christian peoples can not have
police, courts, or jails.
His answer leaves them stunned and they walk away. He expresses the
theme of forgiveness which is central to his teachings.
And contradictory to the OT.
But he is
affirming the creation of a new covenant, and he is claiming the
authority to do so. He is directly saying - I am from God and I have
No. Not at all. Throughout the synoptic texts he is
portrayed as ostensibly discouraging the idea that
he is the son of God.
the authority to do this. Now we are to rely upon his teachings and
the spirit. He also points out that the underlying theme of the law,
that adultery is a sin, is true.
Belief that he is god and that what he gives us is true-- is the new
covenant. For a christian the old must be read in light of the new.
For a christian the old testament was god preparing humanity for the
arrival of jesus. Had he just appeared without this preparation, no
one would have been able to understand him.
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RB
AA#2187
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| User: "walksalone" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
13 Jun 2004 06:16:49 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 04:49:27 GMT, homer wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:28:48 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<jung@topway.net.cn> wrote:
"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
news:fgdnc0poj1i9lvmmfi456vl44u5629l2fp@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members
when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same
groups that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious
groups then I should be able to post to yours.
Do you consider Editor's posting in other groups
to be wrong?
If so, are you any better?
Turning the other cheek was the subject
of one of your posts.
Not practicing what you preach, eh?
Can you say 'hypocrisy'?
In addition, you seem to be exercising retribution
on the whole group based on your disagreement
with one person.
Bigotry?
I've never asked him to stop posting anywhere. I am just posting in a
way that is complementary. He is saying that God is evil, I should at
least be able to answer that charge. You can think what you want.
That being said.... Wellcome to the group!...
providing you will honestly answer questions.
Otherwise your are just an evil troll.
I notice you haven't answered the question I
posed to you in another response.
If Jesus affirmed Old Testament commandments,
should we be stoning adulterers to death?
See John 8:4.
snip, wrong quote again. You do know that Yahweh said add nothing to his
book don't you Homer. You have rad the Torah, haven't you Homer.
Here, lets put a more appropriate quote out for public observation.
On divinity & the requirements thereof:
Early proof of divinity
OF course, all Gods must be heroes -physically or
intellectually, or both. The more danger they encounter, and the
earlier they manifest a precocious or preternatural smartness,
the more like Gods.
And hence we find several of the Saviors in very early
childhood displaying great physical prowess in meeting and
conquering danger, while others exhibit their superiority
mentally by vanquishing their opponents in argument. Christ first
began to exhibit proof of his divine character and greatness by
meeting and silencing the doctors in the temple when only about
twelve years of age.
And similar proofs of divinity at or near this age is found
in the history of some of the pagan Saviors.
Of Christ it is declared, "There went out a fame of him
through all the region round about." (Luke 4:14.) And of the
Grecian Esculapius it is likewise declared, "The voice of fame
soon published the birth of a miraculous child," and "the people
flocked from all quarters to behold him. Of Confucius of China it
is declared, "His extensive knowledge and great wisdom soon made
him known, and kings were governed by his counsels, and the
people adored him wherever he went." And it is further declared
of this "Divine Man," that he seemed to arrive at reason and the
perfect use of his faculties almost from infancy. It is reported
of the God Chang-ti, that when questioned on the subject of
government and the duties of princes and rulers while yet a
child, his answers were such as to astonish the whole empire by
his knowledge and wisdom.
It is related of a Grecian God that he demolished the
serpents which attempted to bite or destroy him while in his
cradle. "The proof of Osiris's divinity was a blaze of light
shining around his cradle soon after he was born. Relative to
Pythagoras of the same country, we have it upon the authority of
a Christian writer, that he exhibited such a remarkable
character, even in youth, as to attract the attention of all who
saw and heard him speak." And the author further testifies of him
that he "never was at any time overcome with anger, laughter, or
perturbation of mind or precipitation of conduct." "His fame
having reached Miletus and neighboring cities," it is said by
another writer, "the people flocked to see and hear him, and he
was reverenced by multitudes."
Luke declares of Christ, that the people "were astonished at
his understanding and answers." (Luke 2:47.) And the "Gospel of
the Infancy" tells us that his tutor Zacheas was astonished at
his learning, which reminds us of the statement found in "The
Divine Word" of the Hindoos (The Mahabarat), that the parents of
the Savior Chrishna, in making arrangements to give him an
education, sent him to a learned Brahmin as tutor, whom he
instantly astonished with his vast learning, and under whose
tuition he mastered the whole circle of sciences in a day and a
night. "Men, seeing the wonders performed by this child, told
Nanda (his adopted father) that this could not possibly be his
son."
It is told of Budha Sakia of India that, "as soon as he was
born, a light shone around his cradle, when he stood up and
proclaimed his mission, and that the River Gange, during this
time rose in a miraculous manner, which was stilled by his divine
power, as Christ stilled the tempest on the sea." "He was born,"
says the New American Cyclopedia (vol. iv. p. 61), "amidst great
miracles, and soon as born, most solemnly proclaims his mission."
Of Narayan, "the Holy," it is declared that "mysterious
words dropped from his lips on various occasions, giving hints of
his divine nature and the purposes for which he had come down to
the earth." (Prog. Rel. Ideas, vol. i.p. 128.) The divine power
and mission of Yu of China was very early evinced by the display
of great miracles.
And here let us observe that some of the Old Testament or
Jewish heroes, as Moses, Solomon and Samuel are reported as
exhibiting great superiority of mind in very early life; thus
proving (it was thought) that if they were not Gods, they were at
least from God, that is, endowed by him with divine power while
yet mere children. Thus the histories of all Gods and divine
personages run in parallel grooves.
BTW, the above is from a source that is as undocumented as yours, & is as
likely to be in error.
Now, isn't that better?
walksalone who suspects that very few xians will ever understand why they
turn others away from their arguments with their childish habits of
pretending they are in the right because someone did something they do not
like.
--
As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs
on, so the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.
[William Blake, Proverbs of Hell ]
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13 Jun 2004 06:10:05 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:28:48 GMT, Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
news:fgdnc0poj1i9lvmmfi456vl44u5629l2fp@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members
when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same
groups that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious
groups then I should be able to post to yours.
Do you consider Editor's posting in other groups
Do they have a FAQ, is he in violation. Is he off topic for those groups,
then yes. Which has nothing to do with you being in violation of the AA
charter,
to be wrong?
If so, are you any better?
Can't say, never met him. But unlike you, I am not willfully violating the
FAQ [think of them as community guidelines] of AA now am I. So trying to
pretend there is only one standard, & you get to violate it because you
think someone else is doing so, is not the way to present yourself to
anyone else as a person worth taking notice of.
Turning the other cheek was the subject
of one of your posts.
Not mine, I believe in turning the other persons cheek, preferably black &
blue for about a month. Tends to put as stop to the nonsense immediately.
Not practicing what you preach, eh?
Can you say 'hypocrisy'?
I don't know, can you. You are certainly setting a good example of what one
is. Do continue, the world has a surplus of them, but one more can't hurt
all that much.
In addition, you seem to be exercising retribution
on the whole group based on your disagreement
Not at all, my posts are corrections of your errors, not that you can
understand that. You see, I really care less what you believe, & so give
the AA group, as well as other interested party's some relief from th
people like you that could care less about others as long as they get to
strut in public.
What you don't realise, or care about, is that there is a way to present
your case, to appropriate party's. It has been done right here in AA. Took
around a year if I recall. But that was appropriate, whereas yours is just
another case of "well he did it so I can to". It is a form of logical
argument & ***** poor manners, but that never stopped a bleater before. Nor
will it in the future.
with one person.
Not one person, a mythology, like the other mythology's of the world. It
would be the same no matter which myth you tried to pimp.
Bigotry?
No, reality check. BTW, do you even know what the word means, not just the
popular definition, the primary definition?
That being said.... Wellcome to the group!...
Thank you.
providing you will honestly answer questions.
Honest answers for honest questions, or intelligent questions. I presume
that is a two way street then. Good.
Considering that the Jewish myth is the foundation of the xian myth.
A: When did it start according to the archaic Jews.
B: When was Abraham born [use of the grimorie is not acceptable as a
primary answer & the information is readily available]
C: Who were his parents
D: Which king did he & his father serve prior to El flashing him?
E: Is he a known liar by ethical standards?
The above is just a start, & the information is readily available to anyone
that wants it.
The reason for the questions, to find out if you are aa serious student of
your myth, or just another bleater.
Otherwise your are just an evil troll.
According to you, anyone that does not spread the lie of the xian myth is
evil, so I suspect I am in good company when you call me that. If you have
not got around to saying it, you will either state it a fact, or the
preferred xian way, by implication.
I notice you haven't answered the question I
posed to you in another response.
Maybe it is because I have no opinion on the question, or the question is
designed to inflame others from my pov? It is not a question any ethical
person would really care to discuss, for the obvious answer is the question
is based on assumptions so there is no actual honest answer. Just guesses.
Many, like myself, prefer to avoid those type of questions.
They belong in ethical discussion groups, or baring that one of the
philosophical groups. Both deal with intangibles.
Now the questions I asked you above, are meant to determine whether you
know your mythology & its history. Do take your time in answering, but
don't add to them. If you do, it will be an indication that you are trying
to manipulate them & me, neither works.
If Jesus affirmed Old Testament commandments,
should we be stoning adulterers to death?
IAW with the xian mythology, it s the only allowed course of action.
But that is not what you wanted to hear, even though you will, if you say
anything, say otherwise.
What's wrong, can't
you take it?
Obviously, I can & you will not be the end of AA.
Bring it on.
Been refuting the bleater brigade since around 95 om the net, all my life
in the real world. I'll wait on you, for you are not anything but another
bleater, there is time enough for you whenever I take the notion.
walksalone who finds this amusing in a macabre sort of way. Is it possible
for xians to do anything but play the *injured innocent* while playing he
did it so I can do it as well?
--
Religious Cult: The church down the street from yours.
B.C. cartoon, 30 April 1994
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
13 Jun 2004 10:59:07 AM |
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"walksalone" <spam@fcc.gov> wrote in message
news:674b479ae6ede53a1e2f586ac7c702a3@news.teranews.com...
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:28:48 GMT, Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
news:fgdnc0poj1i9lvmmfi456vl44u5629l2fp@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members
when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same
groups that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious
groups then I should be able to post to yours.
Do you consider Editor's posting in other groups
Do they have a FAQ, is he in violation. Is he off topic for those groups,
then yes. Which has nothing to do with you being in violation of the AA
charter,
to be wrong?
If so, are you any better?
Can't say, never met him. But unlike you, I am not willfully violating the
FAQ [think of them as community guidelines] of AA now am I. So trying to
I assume you intended to respond to homer
and not me, right?
--
RB
AA#2187
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| User: "homer" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
13 Jun 2004 02:42:31 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:10:05 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:28:48 GMT, Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
news:fgdnc0poj1i9lvmmfi456vl44u5629l2fp@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members
when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same
groups that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious
groups then I should be able to post to yours.
Do you consider Editor's posting in other groups
Do they have a FAQ, is he in violation. Is he off topic for those groups,
then yes. Which has nothing to do with you being in violation of the AA
charter,
to be wrong?
If so, are you any better?
Can't say, never met him. But unlike you, I am not willfully violating the
FAQ [think of them as community guidelines] of AA now am I. So trying to
pretend there is only one standard, & you get to violate it because you
think someone else is doing so, is not the way to present yourself to
anyone else as a person worth taking notice of.
Turning the other cheek was the subject
of one of your posts.
Not mine, I believe in turning the other persons cheek, preferably black &
blue for about a month. Tends to put as stop to the nonsense immediately.
Not practicing what you preach, eh?
Can you say 'hypocrisy'?
I don't know, can you. You are certainly setting a good example of what one
is. Do continue, the world has a surplus of them, but one more can't hurt
all that much.
In addition, you seem to be exercising retribution
on the whole group based on your disagreement
Not at all, my posts are corrections of your errors, not that you can
understand that. You see, I really care less what you believe, & so give
the AA group, as well as other interested party's some relief from th
people like you that could care less about others as long as they get to
strut in public.
What you don't realise, or care about, is that there is a way to present
your case, to appropriate party's. It has been done right here in AA. Took
around a year if I recall. But that was appropriate, whereas yours is just
another case of "well he did it so I can to". It is a form of logical
argument & ***** poor manners, but that never stopped a bleater before. Nor
will it in the future.
with one person.
Not one person, a mythology, like the other mythology's of the world. It
would be the same no matter which myth you tried to pimp.
Bigotry?
No, reality check. BTW, do you even know what the word means, not just the
popular definition, the primary definition?
That being said.... Wellcome to the group!...
Thank you.
providing you will honestly answer questions.
Honest answers for honest questions, or intelligent questions. I presume
that is a two way street then. Good.
Considering that the Jewish myth is the foundation of the xian myth.
A: When did it start according to the archaic Jews.
B: When was Abraham born [use of the grimorie is not acceptable as a
primary answer & the information is readily available]
C: Who were his parents
D: Which king did he & his father serve prior to El flashing him?
E: Is he a known liar by ethical standards?
The above is just a start, & the information is readily available to anyone
that wants it.
The reason for the questions, to find out if you are aa serious student of
your myth, or just another bleater.
Otherwise your are just an evil troll.
According to you, anyone that does not spread the lie of the xian myth is
evil, so I suspect I am in good company when you call me that. If you have
not got around to saying it, you will either state it a fact, or the
preferred xian way, by implication.
I notice you haven't answered the question I
posed to you in another response.
Maybe it is because I have no opinion on the question, or the question is
designed to inflame others from my pov? It is not a question any ethical
person would really care to discuss, for the obvious answer is the question
is based on assumptions so there is no actual honest answer. Just guesses.
Many, like myself, prefer to avoid those type of questions.
They belong in ethical discussion groups, or baring that one of the
philosophical groups. Both deal with intangibles.
Now the questions I asked you above, are meant to determine whether you
know your mythology & its history. Do take your time in answering, but
don't add to them. If you do, it will be an indication that you are trying
to manipulate them & me, neither works.
If Jesus affirmed Old Testament commandments,
should we be stoning adulterers to death?
IAW with the xian mythology, it s the only allowed course of action.
But that is not what you wanted to hear, even though you will, if you say
anything, say otherwise.
What's wrong, can't
you take it?
Obviously, I can & you will not be the end of AA.
Bring it on.
Been refuting the bleater brigade since around 95 om the net, all my life
in the real world. I'll wait on you, for you are not anything but another
bleater, there is time enough for you whenever I take the notion.
walksalone who finds this amusing in a macabre sort of way. Is it possible
for xians to do anything but play the *injured innocent* while playing he
did it so I can do it as well?
Thank you for that entertaining post.
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| User: "walksalone" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
14 Jun 2004 10:21:51 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:42:31 GMT, homer wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:10:05 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:28:48 GMT, Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"homer" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in message
news:fgdnc0poj1i9lvmmfi456vl44u5629l2fp@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members
when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same
groups that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious
groups then I should be able to post to yours.
Do you consider Editor's posting in other groups
Do they have a FAQ, is he in violation. Is he off topic for those groups,
then yes. Which has nothing to do with you being in violation of the AA
charter,
to be wrong?
If so, are you any better?
Can't say, never met him. But unlike you, I am not willfully violating the
FAQ [think of them as community guidelines] of AA now am I. So trying to
pretend there is only one standard, & you get to violate it because you
think someone else is doing so, is not the way to present yourself to
anyone else as a person worth taking notice of.
Turning the other cheek was the subject
of one of your posts.
Not mine, I believe in turning the other persons cheek, preferably black &
blue for about a month. Tends to put as stop to the nonsense immediately.
Not practicing what you preach, eh?
Can you say 'hypocrisy'?
I don't know, can you. You are certainly setting a good example of what one
is. Do continue, the world has a surplus of them, but one more can't hurt
all that much.
In addition, you seem to be exercising retribution
on the whole group based on your disagreement
Not at all, my posts are corrections of your errors, not that you can
understand that. You see, I really care less what you believe, & so give
the AA group, as well as other interested party's some relief from th
people like you that could care less about others as long as they get to
strut in public.
What you don't realise, or care about, is that there is a way to present
your case, to appropriate party's. It has been done right here in AA. Took
around a year if I recall. But that was appropriate, whereas yours is just
another case of "well he did it so I can to". It is a form of logical
argument & ***** poor manners, but that never stopped a bleater before. Nor
will it in the future.
with one person.
Not one person, a mythology, like the other mythology's of the world. It
would be the same no matter which myth you tried to pimp.
Bigotry?
No, reality check. BTW, do you even know what the word means, not just the
popular definition, the primary definition?
That being said.... Wellcome to the group!...
Thank you.
providing you will honestly answer questions.
Honest answers for honest questions, or intelligent questions. I presume
that is a two way street then. Good.
Considering that the Jewish myth is the foundation of the xian myth.
A: When did it start according to the archaic Jews.
B: When was Abraham born [use of the grimorie is not acceptable as a
primary answer & the information is readily available]
C: Who were his parents
D: Which king did he & his father serve prior to El flashing him?
E: Is he a known liar by ethical standards?
The above is just a start, & the information is readily available to anyone
that wants it.
The reason for the questions, to find out if you are aa serious student of
your myth, or just another bleater.
Otherwise your are just an evil troll.
snip
walksalone who finds this amusing in a macabre sort of way. Is it possible
for xians to do anything but play the *injured innocent* while playing he
did it so I can do it as well?
Thank you for that entertaining post.
IOW, you can not/will not attempt to answer the questions & really have
nothing to say about the mythology your myth is founded on.
Good move on your part I suspect.
Feel free to try to impress the audience a best you can.
walksalone who never knew how much he actually knew until he encountered
the false intellectuals of the bleater brigade on usenet.
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
13 Jun 2004 05:09:37 AM |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:11:28 -0500, homer wrote
(in article <fgdnc0poj1i9lvmmfi456vl44u5629l2fp@4ax.com>):
Subject: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I
have come to abolish the law)
From: homer <xxx@xxx.com>
Date: Yesterday 21:11
Newsgroups: alt.atheism, alt.recovery.religion, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same groups
that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious groups then I
should be able to post to yours. What's wrong, can't you take it?
So report him to his ISP. Don't blame us for his stupidity.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"Nothing can stand up to atheistic critical examination. You guys are the
proctologists of Religion." - angelicusrex
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| User: "walksalone" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
13 Jun 2004 06:20:05 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:09:37 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:11:28 -0500, homer wrote
(in article <fgdnc0poj1i9lvmmfi456vl44u5629l2fp@4ax.com>):
Subject: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I
have come to abolish the law)
From: homer <xxx@xxx.com>
Date: Yesterday 21:11
Newsgroups: alt.atheism, alt.recovery.religion, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same groups
that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious groups then I
should be able to post to yours. What's wrong, can't you take it?
So report him to his ISP. Don't blame us for his stupidity.
But, but, Harry, that would be the appropriate thing to do, the ethical
thing to do, so it won't be done. Not to mention Homer would not get the
chance to get even with EE.
walksalone who has to admit, on the usenet he has seen very few [as under
10] ethical xians. I am sure there are more, they just seem to avoid AA,
courteous of them that is.
--
"Men imagine that celestial bodies are divine yet ascribe to them
purposes inconsistent with divinity; and they anticipate eternal
suffering after death. Peace of mind follows freedom from such fears,
and will be gained if we trust to our immediate feelings and
sensations."
- Epicurus
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| User: "TCS" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
12 Jun 2004 09:31:24 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:11:28 GMT, homer <xxx@xxx.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same
groups that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious
groups then I should be able to post to yours. What's wrong, can't
you take it?
You're a jerk.
A complete kneebiter.
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| User: "walksalone" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
13 Jun 2004 05:42:59 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:11:28 GMT, homer wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members when
voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same
So, you are a copy cat then. I understand, pitiful but I understand.
So, if he jumps off a bridge you will as well then?
Now this may come as a shock to you, but emulation is a form of flattery.
You can't do anything with his quotes, so you try to divert attention from
them with your quotes. Suits me, but you could still know your victims are
refugees from all mythology in the case of the recovery group, & be more
courteous than your self appointed opponent.
groups that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious
groups then I should be able to post to yours. What's wrong, can't
you take it?
I have no problem with it for myself, I can & do use the hell out of
filters. Amazing how manageable a group can become with a judicious use of
them.
However, just like editor, who oddly enough is on topic [technically] by
posting to a recovery group you definitely are not & it is typical of the
bleater brigade that they don't give a damn whether their tripe is
appropriate or not.
So post away, but expect to be treated as is appropriate.
& that still does not mitigate the fact that you are in violation of a
community accepted standard by posting bible verses in AA.
walksalone who is not surprised at the defensive attitude of Homer, it is
common when people that do wrong have it pointed out to them.
--
The Hadith Qudsi 6
The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of
Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr. He will be brought and Allah
will make known to him His favours and he will recognize them.
The Almighty will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I
fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied - you did
but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was
said.
Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast
into Hell-fire.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Quote of the Day for June 9 (think not that I have come to abolish the law) |
13 Jun 2004 07:57:18 AM |
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homer <xxx@xxx.com> astounded us with:
news:fgdnc0poj1i9lvmmfi456vl44u5629l2fp@4ax.com:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:01:59 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:40:31 GMT, homer wrote:
Scripture: Matthew 5:17-19
snip.
Wrong Preaching again, not that anyone is surprised.
BTW, not that you care, but not on;ly is it odious manners, typical but
odious, it is against the AA FAQ, which has the consent of the members
when voted on.
Depending on your ISP, you could lose your access wee it reported.
Now, for an appropriate quote.
As I've said before, I am posting these quotes to exactly the same
groups that evilbible is posting to. If he can post to religious
groups then I should be able to post to yours. What's wrong, can't
you take it?
You are an odious toad, but, of course, the people you meet on a daily
basis would have told you that, or at least sniggered it behind your back.
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://afjc.clickhalah.com/forum/index.php
Change "freeway" to "hotmail" to respond
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